TREASON Michigan Supreme Court weighs repayment for owners of foreclosed homes sold at profit

Macgyver

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Someone is going to go broke paying this back.


Michigan Supreme Court weighs repayment for owners of foreclosed homes sold at profit​


Lansing — The Michigan Supreme Court will decide which homeowners whose houses were foreclosed on for unpaid taxes and sold by Michigan counties are owed back profits that the county reaped from the sales.
The high court heard arguments Wednesday in a sprawling legal battle over millions of dollars counties collected in profits on the sale of foreclosed homes, three years after justices ruled the counties' profits constituted a "unconstitutional taking" by the government.

After the 2020 decision, counties questioned whether justices meant for the decision to be retroactive and require repayments to homeowners whose homes were sold before 2020. The state's highest court agreed to consider the question in July of last year.
If the state Supreme Court were to allow claims between 2013 and 2020 to move forward, the estimated collective price tag for counties would come to about $250 million, resulting in a likely cut to services for counties without significant reserves to repay the amount, said Matthew Nelson, an attorney for Kent County.

"For many counties and for many municipalities, the money has been spent and you would have to reduce budgeted expenditures somewhere to pay the liabilities going back for the full period of time," Nelson told justices.

But the individuals suing the county for repayment of profits made on their foreclosed homes argued the budget effects of returning the money shouldn't be an overriding factor in ensuring a wrongful taking is righted.

"The problem with all this is they’re essentially asking this court to add a loophole in Michigan’s taking clause," said Christina Martin, an attorney with the Pacific Legal Foundation that's pursued some of the tax foreclosure lawsuits in Michigan.
Justices questioned whether the counties foreclosing on and selling the property had any opportunity to choose differently, being that the process was supported by law at the time.

"If you’re a county treasurer and this is what the law says I'm supposed to do, what were they supposed to do instead?” Justice Elizabeth Welch asked.

Martin argued counties had the opportunity to put the profits into a revolving fund or reserves as lawsuit-after-lawsuit challenged the practice over the last decade, or to foresee the problems with the practice based on long-standing property rights that date back to the Magna Carta.

"Our clients and most Michiganders did rely on the idea that that the government isn’t going to take more than its owed,” Martin said. "I understand it wasn't in the law books, but most people in America didn't think this was possible."

The high court's consideration of the case comes nearly a decade into a patchwork of foreclosure profit litigation in state and federal courts across counties throughout Michigan. That patchwork of lawsuits have questioned the scope of the state court's 2020 ruling, how to measure what’s owed back to residents and how residents apply for repayment.

The core case in the litigation involved Oakland County resident Uri Rafaeli, who owed $8.41 in delinquent taxes on a Southfield rental property. The amount owed had grown to $285 with added penalties and interest in 2014 when Oakland County foreclosed on the home, only to sell it later for $24,500.

Rafaeli served as one of the main plaintiffs in the 2019 case that resulted in the 2020 Michigan Supreme Court ruling that found the county's profit on the home violated the Michigan constitution's takings clause.
After the ruling, the Michigan Legislature passed a 2020 law cementing the Supreme Court decision and laying out a process for former homeowners to request repayment of any profit made on their foreclosed homes. The law largely limited claims to a two-year window preceding the implementation of the law, but left the possibility of further retroactivity pending a high court clarification on the issue.

Oakland County later reached a settlement that made it one of the first counties in the state to begin repaying residents, agreeing to pay $38 million to hundreds of residents whose homes were foreclosed on and then sold at a profit over roughly 15 years.
But not all counties were able to reach settlements on past claims, prompting the two cases debated Wednesday before the high court.

The lawsuits at issue in Wednesday's argument include one filed against Kent County by a group of plaintiffs led by homeowner Matthew Schafer, which directly questions the retroactivity of the 2020 Rafaeli decision and whether it applies to foreclosure profits predating the decision. A second suit considered Wednesday, led by homeowner Lynette Hathon, was filed in 2019 against the state of Michigan, which acts as the foreclosing governmental unit for six of Michigan's 83 counties: Branch, Clinton, Iosco, Livingston, Luce and Mecosta. That suit is challenging several aspects of the 2020 law, including its retroactivity, some of the hurdles put in place to reclaim a surplus and whether it prevents class action certification by setting up individual paths for redress.

Nelson argued Wednesday that counties were following state law as they understood it in the foreclosure and sale of homes and should not now be penalized for years of following that law. While Kent County may be in a place where it could cover a decade of repayments with reserves, other counties may need to cut into services, he said.
He highlighted Wayne County, which would have to repay roughly $130 million owed from 2013-2020, and one of Michigan's poorest counties, Lake County, which would have to repay about $2.3 million from the same time period.

The potential 2013-2020 retroactivity timeline is based on Rafaeli's 2019 filing of his lawsuit. The timeframe encompasses any claims that may have arisen in a six-year statute of limitations preceding Rafaeli's filing and any claims that arose in the roughly two years while his claim was pending.
Others have argued the timeline should span back to 2008, aligning with an earlier federal lawsuit filed by Wayside Church in Van Buren County.

Other attorneys asked justices to decertify classes that had been certified in a challenge of the foreclosure profits, arguing the process set out by the Legislature provided a better structure for satisfying the claims of the homeowners and the claims of other lienholders who may have had a lien on the property.

But attorneys for the plaintiffs in the case urged the court to reject that plea, arguing that the dissolution of a class based on legislative language would be a significant departure from the separate of powers doctrine.

"The Legislature can’t take a pending class action and say that this case can’t be certified," said Christopher Kaye, an attorney representing the former homeowners demanding repayment.
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bassgirl

Veteran Member
Since one is forced to pay taxes especially just to live in a county much less a city I think it fair they pay it back. . And if they foreclose due to taxes then they should have to sell it for the taxes due only. Because if you are foreclosed on you already have to pay taxes on the amount that was foreclosed on.
You can't claim that in bankruptcy court. You owe for the loan forgiveness. So not only do they get the house back, but you have to pay taxes on the amount borrowed. The house is the collateral borrowed against does not count like a car or furniture or whatever you put ups as collateral. At least it is that way in several states. There are a rare few where you can just give the house keys back.


People buy cars all the time and let them go back and owe nothing but a bad credit score. The car is the collateral.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Since one is forced to pay taxes especially just to live in a county much less a city I think it fair they pay it back. . And if they foreclose due to taxes then they should have to sell it for the taxes due only. Because if you are foreclosed on you already have to pay taxes on the amount that was foreclosed on.
You can't claim that in bankruptcy court. You owe for the loan forgiveness. So not only do they get the house back, but you have to pay taxes on the amount borrowed. The house is the collateral borrowed against does not count like a car or furniture or whatever you put ups as collateral. At least it is that way in several states. There are a rare few where you can just give the house keys back.


People buy cars all the time and let them go back and owe nothing but a bad credit score. The car is the collateral.

Agreed... like I said this is going to set a very interesting precedent!
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
They are dragging their feet on the payments! They sold many houses for back taxes and sold them for many thousand's beyond what was owed in back taxes and pocked the entire amount. There is some talk the money was spent and some talk elected and non elected officials enriched themselves with the proceeds and that may be part of the problem is they will have to go after people the political system view as untouchable.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
interesting precedent if this goes through then certain counties here in Iowa could be on the hook, with my county being the most predatory when it comes to selling off homes for unpaid property taxes. Here if you miss your September and march payment they sell your house off in May!
I see nothing wrong with selling the house based upon not paying taxes, but the excess should always go to the homeowner.....

These counties saw a profit and used it ..... a lot........

Though I do believe there should be no property taxers at all.... different argument
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I see nothing wrong with selling the house based upon not paying taxes, but the excess should always go to the homeowner.....

These counties saw a profit and used it ..... a lot........

Though I do believe there should be no property taxers at all.... different argument

The excess goes to the county coffers here, Story County, IA. I know this from first hand experience. The county just west of us doesn't foreclose for back taxes until five years have passed... however, there's not much going on economically in that county. I've heard that Polk and Jasper counties, the next counties south of us, have become more predatory as well.
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
In NJ towns have to sit on any amount over the owed tax amount for 5 years to allow someone entitled to claim it. So if the owner died family can grab it if it's not in a will to go specifically to someone else.
If no one claims in 5 years then they can keep it.
 

zeker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
what you are owed.

should be all that you get.

anything over and above should go to the property owner.

even if they are/were a delinquent.

and the example give $8 owed but $250 service charges is just countys and clerks justifying their existances
 

MountainBiker

Veteran Member
In Vermont, anything over the amount owed goes to the owner right then and there. The owner then has 1 year to reclaim their property by paying the full amount back to the buyer plus 1% more for every month that passes during that 1 year window, plus the current year's property taxes. It is only after that 1 year window that the buyer can physically take possession of the property. The former owners can continue to live there for that year.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
I see nothing wrong with selling the house based upon not paying taxes, but the excess should always go to the homeowner.....

These counties saw a profit and used it ..... a lot........

Though I do believe there should be no property taxers at all.... different argument

Frankly, I do. Your house should be YOUR HOUSE, not a thing that is contingent upon you paying rent to the county.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
interesting precedent if this goes through then certain counties here in Iowa could be on the hook, with my county being the most predatory when it comes to selling off homes for unpaid property taxes. Here if you miss your September and march payment they sell your house off in May!

I was thinking of that when I read the article. Polk County is also highly predatory, and that needs to cease. I was told the original intent of the law was to take over drug and other nuisance houses, but certain individuals soon found that selling decent houses for back taxes funded their own pet projects (or lined their pockets) as well.

Lake property has an especially bright target on it, followed by houses that can be rented to students.

Yep. We need stronger property rights here, for sure!
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
If they pass this law, then the corrupt officials will sell
The properties off to their corrupt cronies for peanuts and get a huge kickback on the actual value of the home anyway!
 

33dInd

Veteran Member
interesting precedent if this goes through then certain counties here in Iowa could be on the hook, with my county being the most predatory when it comes to selling off homes for unpaid property taxes. Here if you miss your September and march payment they sell your house off in May!
Takes three years in Oklahoma
 
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