McCain Gaffes Pile Up; Critics Pile On

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McCain gaffes pile up; critics pile on

July 22nd, 2008 · No Comments
By: Mike Allen and Jim Vandehei

Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) said “Iraq” when he apparently meant “Afghanistan” on Monday, adding to a string of mixed-up word choices that is giving ammunition to the opposition.

Just in the past three weeks, McCain has mixed up Iraq and Afghanistan, Somalia and Sudan, and even football’s Packers and Steelers.

Ironically, the errors have been concentrated in what should be his area of expertise – foreign affairs.

McCain will turn 72 the day after Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) accepts his party’s nomination for president, calling new attention to the sensitive issue of McCain’s advanced age, three days before the start of his own convention.

The McCain campaign says Obama has had plenty of flubs of his own, including a reference to “57 states” and a string of misstated place names during the primaries that Republicans gleefully sent around as YouTubes.

But the mistakes raise a serious, if uncomfortable question: Are the gaffes the result of his age? And what could that mean in the Oval Office?

Voters, thinking about their own relatives, can be expected to scrutinize McCain’s debate performances for signs of slippage.

Every voter has a parent, grandparent or a friend whose mental acuity slipped as they grew older. It happens at different times for different people — and there is ample evidence many in their 70s are sharp and fit as ever. There is also ample evidence others do start to slip at that age.

In McCain’s case, his medical records, public appearances and travel schedule have suggested he remains at the top of his game.

But his liberal critics have been pouncing on every misstatement as a sign that he’s an old man.

Already, late-night comics have made McCain’s age an almost nightly topic, with CBS’s David Letterman getting a laugh just about any time he says the word “McCain” and “nap” in the same sentence.

Last week, McCain tried to defuse the issue by pretending to doze off during an appearance with NBC’s Conan O’Brien.

Republicans would like to make the case that McCain is seasoned and Obama is a callow newcomer to the public stage. But that’ll be harder if he keeps up the verbal slips, which make it easier for comedians and critics to pile on.

“FIRST GAFFE OF OBAMA TRIP……GOES TO MCCAIN,” blared Monday afternoon’s banner headline on the left-leaning Huffington Post, accompanied by a photo of McCain appearing to slap his forehead.

That referred to an ABCNews.com posting asserting that McCain appeared to “confuse Iraq and Afghanistan, in a “Good Morning America” interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer, who asked whether the “the situation in Afghanistan is precarious and urgent.”

McCain responded: “I’m afraid it’s a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the Iraq/Pakistan border,” McCain said. The ABC posting added: “Iraq and Pakistan do not share a border. Afghanistan and Pakistan do.”

Unfortunately for McCain, that wasn’t an isolated slip. Among the other lapses:

—“Somalia” for “Sudan” — As recounted in a reporter’s pool report from McCain’s Straight Talk Express bus on June 30, the senator said while discussing Darfur, a region of Sudan: “How can we bring pressure on the government of Somalia?”

Senior adviser Mark Salter corrected him: “Sudan.”

—“Germany” for “Russia” — A YouTube clip from last year memorializes McCain referring to Vladimir Putin of Russia – following a trip to Germany — as “President Putin of Germany.”

—This spring, McCain said troops in Iraq were “down to pre-surge levels” when in fact there were 20,000 more troops than when the surge policy began.

—Also this spring, McCain twice appeared to mistake Sunnis and Shiites, two branches of Islam that split violently.

—In Phoenix earlier this month, McCain referred to “Czechoslovakia,” which has been divided since Jan. 1, 1993, into the Czech Republic and Slovakia. He also referred to Czechoslovakia during a debate in November and a radio show in April.

—In perhaps the most curious incident, McCain said earlier this month that as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, he had tried to confuse his captors by giving the names of Pittsburgh Steelers starting players when asked to identify his squadron mates. McCain has told the story many times over the years – but had always referred correctly to the names he gave as members of the Green Bay Packers.
 

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Dysfunctions
10 McCain Gaffes That Should Have Damaged His Chances

By Max Bergmann, Huffington Post 12/7/08
Jul 13, 2008 - 7:07:51 AM


During this past week: McCain called the most important entitlement program in the U.S. a disgrace, his top economic adviser called the American people whiners, McCain released an economic plan that no one thought was serious, he flip flopped on Iraq, joked about the deaths of Iranian citizens, and denied making comments that he clearly made --- TWICE. Yet watching and reading the mainstream press you would think McCain was having a pretty decent political week, I mean at least Jesse Jackson didn't say anything about him.

But let's unpack McCain's week in a little more detail.

1. McCain unambiguously called Social Security "an absolute disgrace." This is not a quote taken out of context. John McCain called one of the most successful and popular government programs, which uses the tax revenues of current workers to support retirement benefits for the elderly "an absolute disgrace." This is shocking -- and if uttered from Obama's mouth would dominate the news coverage and the Sunday shows, as pundits would speculate about the massive damage the statement would cause him among retirees in Florida.

2. McCain's top economic policy adviser calls Americans a bunch of "whiners" for being worried about the slumping economy. Words cannot fully explain how devastating this statement should be from Phil Gramm. You would think it would be enough to sink McCain's campaign. Of course McCain only thinks that the economic problems are psychological.

3. Iraqi leaders call for a timetable for U.S. withdrawal, McCain gets caught in a bizarre denial and flip flop. The Iraqis now want us to begin planning our withdrawal -- McCain however wants to stay foooorrreeevvveerrrr. So what does McCain say -- First, he refuses to accept Maliki's statement as being true. Then he concedes that it was an accurate statement, but was probably just a political ploy to curry favor with his own people and WOULD NOT influence his determination to keep US troops in Iraq indefinitely. Yet, McCain in 2004 at the Council on Foreign Relations said that if the Iraqis asked us to leave, we would have to go. No matter what. But that was apparently a younger and less experienced John McCain.

But let's just look at his comment that Maliki's statement is "just politics." If that is true, then it must also be true that the American military presence in Iraq is so unpopular with Iraqis that the government is forced to push for a timetable in order to survive at the ballot box. That's a reason to stay for 100 years.

4. McCain's economic plan to cut the deficit has no details and is simply not believable. There are so many things here. McCain pledges he would eliminate the deficit by the end of his first term (the campaign latter flip flop flipped about whether it was four years or eight years), but does not provide any details about how he would do it. Economists on both sides of the political aisle said that this was simply not believable, especially given McCain's other proposals to a) cut individual and corporate taxes even further, b) extend the Bush tax cuts and c) massively increase defense spending on manpower (200,000 more troops) and d) maintain a long-term sizable military presence in Iraq.

5. McCain's deficit plan includes bringing the troops home represents a major Iraq flip-flop. Speaking of the long-term military presence -- a story that has gotten absolutely no attention is that McCain now believes the war will be over soon. The economic forecasts made by his crack team of economists predict that there will be significant savings during McCain's first term because we will have achieved "victory" in Iraq and Afghanistan. The savings from victory (ie the savings from not having our troops there) will then be used to pay down the deficit. The only way this could have any impact on the deficit in McCain's first time is if troop withdrawals start very soon. So McCain believes victory is in our grasps and we can begin withdraw troops from Iraq pretty much right away --- doesn't sound that different from Obama's plan does it. Someone should at least ask McCain HOW HE DEFINES VICTORY -- and why he thinks we will achieve it in the next couple of years.

6. McCain campaign misled about economists support. In the major press release the McCain campaign issued to tout its Jobs for America economic plan that would balance the budget in 4 years, it included the signatures of more than 300 economists who the campaign claimed to support the plan. Only problem is that the economists were actually asked to sign up to SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Um, hello?7. McCain makes a joke about killing Iranians. Haha... that's just McCain being McCain. I am sure that is exactly how it is being reported in Tehran. This guy is running for President not to become a talk radio pundit. Yet according to the AP this was just a humanizing moment between candidate and spouse -- I am not sure when joking about the deaths of civilians became humanizing.

8. McCain denies, flatly, that he ever said that he is not an expert in economics. Are you kidding?

9). McCain distorts his record on veterans benefits in response to a question from Vietnam Veteran, who then proceeds to call McCain out on it.

10.) McCain demonstrates he knows nothing about Afghanistan and Pakistan. McCain said "I think if there is some good news, I think that there is a glimmer of improving relationship between Karzai and the Pakistanis." Pat Barry notes how crazy this comment is..."Just what "glimmer" is McCain talking about?? Maybe he's referring to President Karzai's remarks last month, which threatened military action in Pakistan if cross-border attacks persisted? Or maybe McCain is talking about Afghanistan's allegations that Pakistan's ISI was involved in a recent assassination attempt on Karzai? Maybe in McCain's world you could call that a silver-lining, but in reality-land I'd call it something else."

Any one of these incidents and comments would dominate the news cycle if they came from the Obama campaign. Yet McCain barely gets a mention. The press like to see themselves as political referees -- neutral observers that call them like they see em'. But they want this to be a horse race and so all the calls right now are going one way. How else can you explain the furor last week over the Obama "refine" comment -- which represented zero change in Obama's position on Iraq -- and the "swift boat" mania over Wesley Clark's uncontroversial comments (psss... by the way McCain exploits his POW experience in just about every ad -- yet he says he doesn't like to talk about it).
 

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Trail of Tall Tales: John McCain
by FOXNews.com
Thursday, May 22, 2008

Tuesday: John McCain gives a thumbs up as he drinks a coffee at Cafe Versailles in Miami. (AP Photo)

Editor’s Note: This is the second in a three-part series focusing on misstatements, prevarications and falsehoods proclaimed by the three major presidential candidates.

Sen. John McCain has long presented himself as that rare bird in politics: an inveterate straight-shooter. But does campaign strain have McCain’s Straight Talk Express veering off course?

A string of incidents stemming from the senator’s two presidential runs suggests he’s no less fallible than any other candidate — and just as capable of adjusting facts to suit his purpose.

1. Confederate Flag Over South Carolina Capitol, April 19, 2000
During the run-up to the South Carolina Republican primary in February 2000, McCain was asked whether he felt the Confederate flag should be removed from atop the statehouse.

Non-truth: McCain stated publicly that it was up to South Carolinians to decide.

Truth: Two months later McCain said he believed “the flag should be removed” from the Capitol. “I feared that if I answered honestly, I could not win the South Carolina primary. So I chose to compromise my principles,” he said. “I broke my promise to always tell the truth.”

Source: “Excerpts from McCain’s Remarks on Confederate Flag,” New York Times, April 20, 2000.

2. Economics Expertise, Jan. 27, 2008
Non-truth: When confronted with his own remarks about his economic prowess during a Republican primary debate, McCain said, “I don’t know where you got that quote from. I’m very well versed in economics.” In a later interview on NBC, McCain added that he’s “very strong on the economy.”

Truth: McCain was asked about a quote he gave The Wall Street Journal in a November 2005 interview in which he admitted he lacked expertise on economic issues. The quote read: “I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. … I still need to be educated.”

McCain told reporters in December 2007, “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should.”

Sources: “‘Reform. Reform. Reform.’ John McCain Explains His Eclectic–and Troubling–Economic Philosophy,” Wall Street Journal, Nov. 26, 2005; NBC GOP presidential debate exchange, Jan. 24, 2008; “Meet the Press,” NBC, Jan. 27, 2008.

3. Safety in Baghdad, March 26, 2007
Non-truth: During an April 2007 visit to Baghdad, McCain said in interviews that “General (David) Petraeus goes out there (in Baghdad) almost every day in an unarmored Humvee.” He also said, “There are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods today.”

Truth: There are no unarmored Humvees in Iraq. McCain later admitted that he had misspoken regarding public safety in Baghdad. “Of course, I am going to misspeak and I’ve done it on numerous occasions and I probably will do it in the future,” he said. “I regret that when I divert attention to something I said from my message, but you know, that’s just life.”

Sources: “McCain Misspoke on Baghdad Security, He Says,” New York Times, April 8, 2007; “60 Minutes,” CBS, April 8, 2007.

4. Abortion Stance, Aug. 19, 1999
Non-truth: McCain told The San Francisco Chronicle that “in the short-term or even in the long-term I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.”

Truth: McCain soon after released a statement saying that he has always opposed Roe v. Wade and “as president, I would work toward its repeal.” McCain has a near 0 percent lifetime rating from NARAL, a national abortion rights group.

Sources: “McCain Softens Abortion Stand,” Washington Post, Aug. 24, 1999; “Capital Gang,” CNN, Aug. 28, 1999.

5. Conversation with Kerry, May 15, 2004
During the 2004 presidential campaign, speculation was widespread that Sen. John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic nominee, had asked McCain to join him as his running mate in the general election.

Non-truth: McCain told The New York Times that Kerry made no such offer, and when asked whether the two had ever discussed the possibility, even casually, McCain said, after pausing, “No. We really haven’t.”

Truth: McCain was asked again in 2008 about his reported conversation with Kerry, and told The New York Times, “I mean it’s well known. Everybody knows, it’s been well chronicled a thousand times that John Kerry asked if I would consider being his running mate.”

Sources: “Undeterred by McCain Denials, Some See Him as Kerry’s No. 2,” New York Times, May 15, 2004; “McCain Asked About 2004 Conversation with Kerry,” New York Times, March 7, 2008.

6. Al Qaeda and Iran, March 18, 2008
During a March 2008 visit to Jordan, McCain aired his concerns about ties between Al Qaeda and Iran.

Non-truth: McCain said that it was “common knowledge and has been reported in the media that Al Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran.”

Truth: McCain had to be corrected a moment later by his Senate colleague Joseph Lieberman, and quickly amended his statement. “I’m sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not Al Qaeda,” he said. McCain also made a similar comment a day earlier on the Hugh Hewitt radio show. It went uncorrected.

Sources: “A McCain Gaffe in Jordan,” Washington Post, March 18 2008; “John McCain on Iraq, Iran and the Middle East from Amman, Jordan,” The Hugh Hewitt Radio Show, March 17, 2008.

7. Ties to Lobbying Firms, Feb. 21, 2008
The New York Times published a story about McCain’s connections to Vicki Iseman, a lobbyist for the firm Alcalde & Fay. The Times reported that McCain had written to the FCC at Iseman’s behest to aid one of her clients, Paxson Communications.

Non-Truth: McCain’s campaign wrote in an e-mail to reporters, “No representative of Paxson or Alcalde & Fay personally asked Senator McCain to send a letter to the FCC.”

Truth: McCain gave a sworn deposition five years earlier in which he said, “I was contacted by Mr. Paxson on this issue. . . . I’m sure I spoke with him, yes.”

Sources: “For McCain, Self-Confidence on Ethics Poses Its Own Risk,” New York Times, Feb. 21, 2008; “A Hole in McCain’s Defense?” Newsweek, Feb. 22, 2008.

8. Attack Ads, Feb. 23, 2000
During the run-up to the Michigan primary in February 2000, the McCain campaign sponsored a telephone campaign that painted George W. Bush as an anti-Catholic bigot for courting the support of the evangelical Bob Jones University in South Carolina.

Non-truth: McCain denied to reporters that his campaign had anything to do with the calls.

Truth: McCain later admitted under repeated questioning that his campaign was responsible for the calls, but that their content had been so mischaracterized by the press that he did not recognize the calls as his own.

Sources: “McCain Campaign Admits Calls to Catholics,” New York Times, Feb. 23, 2000; “Straight Smear Express,” Washington Times, Feb. 28, 2000.
 
ALL of the better-qualified candidates have been taken off the playing field.

The reset/replay button is desperately needing a push.
 

Fisher

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I'll take McCain and his Gaffes over Obama any day of the week.

Obama isnt exactly an amateur in the Gaffe department either.
 

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McCain

shares all of the problems of Bob Dole, Republican candidate of 1996, and none of his virtues except the one: A high percent of folks recognize him.

The GOP, having shot themselves in the foot, now seem determined to do the same for their other anatomical extremeties.
 
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fruit loop

I wonder what people think when they read this nonsense coming from the presumptive candidates.

Obama's 57 states

McCain saying Iran trained AlQueda (sworn enemy)

I saw an article about that gaffe Iraq/Pakistan border in the Iranian news today.

They must be doing a two-step. First, realizing no real leader could be that dumb, and secondly, looking to see for whom these guys are being fronted as a corporate spokesman. Both of them completely collapse as soon as they go off-script, and have to say they misspoke the next day, or after having whispers in the ear.

THis is an untenable situation, and it's not going to hold. Either we fall into the type of pure dictatorship as depicted in V - Obama's fake press conference in the mideast points in that direction - or we become a laughingstock, as in the late Ronald Reagan years when he often didn't know what country he was in, much less with whom he was dining and having photos taken.
 

Thunderbird

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The outright ignorance and misspeaks of both presumptive canditates is apalling.
The onesidedness of the media is both apalling and revealing.

We are in deep DEEP do do.
 

Pass Go

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I believe two things are clear.

One, McCain will not end up the presidential candidate of the GOP.

Two, Hitlery, not BO, will be the democratic party's candidate.

Between you and me I've always thought there was the possibility GWB would find find a way to avert the election.
 

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Dysfunctions
10 McCain Gaffes That Should Have Damaged His Chances

By Max Bergmann, Huffington Post 12/7/08
Jul 13, 2008 - 7:07:51 AM


During this past week: McCain called the most important entitlement program in the U.S. a disgrace, his top economic adviser called the American people whiners, McCain released an economic plan that no one thought was serious, he flip flopped on Iraq, joked about the deaths of Iranian citizens, and denied making comments that he clearly made --- TWICE. Yet watching and reading the mainstream press you would think McCain was having a pretty decent political week, I mean at least Jesse Jackson didn't say anything about him.

But let's unpack McCain's week in a little more detail.

1. McCain unambiguously called Social Security "an absolute disgrace." This is not a quote taken out of context. John McCain called one of the most successful and popular government programs, which uses the tax revenues of current workers to support retirement benefits for the elderly "an absolute disgrace." This is shocking -- and if uttered from Obama's mouth would dominate the news coverage and the Sunday shows, as pundits would speculate about the massive damage the statement would cause him among retirees in Florida.

2. McCain's top economic policy adviser calls Americans a bunch of "whiners" for being worried about the slumping economy. Words cannot fully explain how devastating this statement should be from Phil Gramm. You would think it would be enough to sink McCain's campaign. Of course McCain only thinks that the economic problems are psychological.

3. Iraqi leaders call for a timetable for U.S. withdrawal, McCain gets caught in a bizarre denial and flip flop. The Iraqis now want us to begin planning our withdrawal -- McCain however wants to stay foooorrreeevvveerrrr. So what does McCain say -- First, he refuses to accept Maliki's statement as being true. Then he concedes that it was an accurate statement, but was probably just a political ploy to curry favor with his own people and WOULD NOT influence his determination to keep US troops in Iraq indefinitely. Yet, McCain in 2004 at the Council on Foreign Relations said that if the Iraqis asked us to leave, we would have to go. No matter what. But that was apparently a younger and less experienced John McCain.

But let's just look at his comment that Maliki's statement is "just politics." If that is true, then it must also be true that the American military presence in Iraq is so unpopular with Iraqis that the government is forced to push for a timetable in order to survive at the ballot box. That's a reason to stay for 100 years.

4. McCain's economic plan to cut the deficit has no details and is simply not believable. There are so many things here. McCain pledges he would eliminate the deficit by the end of his first term (the campaign latter flip flop flipped about whether it was four years or eight years), but does not provide any details about how he would do it. Economists on both sides of the political aisle said that this was simply not believable, especially given McCain's other proposals to a) cut individual and corporate taxes even further, b) extend the Bush tax cuts and c) massively increase defense spending on manpower (200,000 more troops) and d) maintain a long-term sizable military presence in Iraq.

5. McCain's deficit plan includes bringing the troops home represents a major Iraq flip-flop. Speaking of the long-term military presence -- a story that has gotten absolutely no attention is that McCain now believes the war will be over soon. The economic forecasts made by his crack team of economists predict that there will be significant savings during McCain's first term because we will have achieved "victory" in Iraq and Afghanistan. The savings from victory (ie the savings from not having our troops there) will then be used to pay down the deficit. The only way this could have any impact on the deficit in McCain's first time is if troop withdrawals start very soon. So McCain believes victory is in our grasps and we can begin withdraw troops from Iraq pretty much right away --- doesn't sound that different from Obama's plan does it. Someone should at least ask McCain HOW HE DEFINES VICTORY -- and why he thinks we will achieve it in the next couple of years.

6. McCain campaign misled about economists support. In the major press release the McCain campaign issued to tout its Jobs for America economic plan that would balance the budget in 4 years, it included the signatures of more than 300 economists who the campaign claimed to support the plan. Only problem is that the economists were actually asked to sign up to SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Um, hello?7. McCain makes a joke about killing Iranians. Haha... that's just McCain being McCain. I am sure that is exactly how it is being reported in Tehran. This guy is running for President not to become a talk radio pundit. Yet according to the AP this was just a humanizing moment between candidate and spouse -- I am not sure when joking about the deaths of civilians became humanizing.

8. McCain denies, flatly, that he ever said that he is not an expert in economics. Are you kidding?

9). McCain distorts his record on veterans benefits in response to a question from Vietnam Veteran, who then proceeds to call McCain out on it.

10.) McCain demonstrates he knows nothing about Afghanistan and Pakistan. McCain said "I think if there is some good news, I think that there is a glimmer of improving relationship between Karzai and the Pakistanis." Pat Barry notes how crazy this comment is..."Just what "glimmer" is McCain talking about?? Maybe he's referring to President Karzai's remarks last month, which threatened military action in Pakistan if cross-border attacks persisted? Or maybe McCain is talking about Afghanistan's allegations that Pakistan's ISI was involved in a recent assassination attempt on Karzai? Maybe in McCain's world you could call that a silver-lining, but in reality-land I'd call it something else."

Any one of these incidents and comments would dominate the news cycle if they came from the Obama campaign. Yet McCain barely gets a mention. The press like to see themselves as political referees -- neutral observers that call them like they see em'. But they want this to be a horse race and so all the calls right now are going one way. How else can you explain the furor last week over the Obama "refine" comment -- which represented zero change in Obama's position on Iraq -- and the "swift boat" mania over Wesley Clark's uncontroversial comments (psss... by the way McCain exploits his POW experience in just about every ad -- yet he says he doesn't like to talk about it).

uhhhhh, Social Security is a total disgrace.

It is the greatest affront to personal liberty perpretrated on the populace in the last 100 years. SS should have been self-funded by the individual, with only the DISABILITY INSURANCE aspect subsidized by the government through pooled contributions (as originally designed!!!!).

What the heck were you thinking? Jeesh.



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Hfcomms

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And you have to wonder that if McCain and Obama is the best we can do as a nation then were certainly doomed!!! I would rather see Bill Cosby as President before either of these two azzhats.
 

buff

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I believe two things are clear.

One, McCain will not end up the presidential candidate of the GOP.

huh?...everyone else has jumped out..he is the only candidate.

Two, Hitlery, not BO, will be the democratic party's candidate.

see the first answer...she has dropped out as well.

Between you and me I've always thought there was the possibility GWB would find find a way to avert the election.

i've heard this crap about the last three presidents. they must grow some good stuff up in yankeeland.
 

Lone Eagle Woman

Veteran Member
Also I am of the same agreement, I would rather have McCain any day
then that freaking Marxist Obama! I absolutely refuse to support him or
anyone who supports this freakiing muslim socialist marxist Traitor!
 

Kalliope

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I wonder what people think when they read this nonsense coming from the presumptive candidates.

Obama's 57 states

McCain saying Iran trained AlQueda (sworn enemy)

I saw an article about that gaffe Iraq/Pakistan border in the Iranian news today.

They must be doing a two-step. First, realizing no real leader could be that dumb, and secondly, looking to see for whom these guys are being fronted as a corporate spokesman. Both of them completely collapse as soon as they go off-script, and have to say they misspoke the next day, or after having whispers in the ear.

THis is an untenable situation, and it's not going to hold. Either we fall into the type of pure dictatorship as depicted in V - Obama's fake press conference in the mideast points in that direction - or we become a laughingstock, as in the late Ronald Reagan years when he often didn't know what country he was in, much less with whom he was dining and having photos taken.

He didn't say 57 states - he said 57 elections (primaries), which when you include PR, VI, Guam and American's Abroad (or something like that) the tally comes up to 57. How is that a gaffe?

Another thing that FL OP didn't state - that McThuselah gets about $2k per month on SS. If it is so bad, why is he accepting that check? Doesn't his wife give him more in allowance? What is it - $50k per month on charge cards.

I know ya'll just have to go after Obama, but the one thing that really warms my heart is that ya'll were so for Bush, how he is God's 2nd annointed son, how Bush is great for America, ad nauseum. Ya'll were wrong about that, ergo, Obama will be a great president.

Watch at 1 p.m. ET his speech in Germany. That's how a president is suppose to act, not all drunk and stupid, which is what we have gotten for the 8 years.
 
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