EBOLA Madrid to Kill Dog of Spanish Nurse Infected With Ebola

Sleeping Cobra

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Madrid’s regional government said it would kill the pet dog of a Spanish nursing assistant who became infected with Ebola — overcoming the family’s objections on Tuesday with a court order.

The nursing assistant was the first person infected outside of West Africa, after caring for a Spanish priest who died of Ebola last month. Authorities have three people under quarantine and said that available scientific knowledge indicates there’s a risk the dog could transmit the deadly virus to humans.

http://time.com/3479228/ebola-dog/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
 

Sleeping Cobra

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Madrid's regional government said it would kill the pet dog of a Spanish nursing assistant who became infected with Ebola — overcoming the family's objections on Tuesday with a court order.

The nursing assistant was the first person infected outside of West Africa, after caring for a Spanish priest who died of Ebola last month. Authorities have three people under quarantine and said that available scientific knowledge indicates there's a risk the dog could transmit the deadly virus to humans.

There has been some evidence that dogs can get Ebola, and that people can be infected by animals. In Africa, the virus has been thought to spread as a result of handling bushmeat — wild animals hunted for food — and through contact with infected bats.

"There is one article in the medical literature that discusses the presence of antibodies to Ebola in dogs. Whether that was an accurate test and whether that was relevant we do not know,” CDC Director Tom Frieden said at a news conference Tuesday.

"We have not identified this as a means of transmission," Frieden added, although scientists do know that Ebola can infect mammals and the virus can spread that way.

Dr. David Lakey, Commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services, said he had no knowledge of any animals exposed in Dallas.

The Spanish mixed-breed dog, Excalibur, will be euthanized in a way to avoid suffering and its body incinerated, the government said. The nursing aid's husband, who is also under quarantine, posted the dog's photo on Facebook and denounced the move.

"I think it's unfair that for a mistake they made they now want to solve it this way," he wrote. "If they are so worried with this issue I think we can find another type of alternative solution, such as quarantining the dog and put him under observation like they did with me. Or should they sacrifice me as well just in case?"

A Change.org petition is asking the government to let the dog live.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eb...id-will-kill-dog-woman-infected-ebola-n220361
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I was wondering what the risks were to our pets, so it sounds as if it's high. Does anyone know if ebola can be transmitted to birds or not?
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
LOTS of info on the main thread, pics, videos, and link to petition to save "Excalibur" from death.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...0-01-2014-TO-10-15-2014&p=5375758#post5375758

I didn't think to look on the main, but I had added it to the first Madrid thread too. :) http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...contract-outside-Africa&p=5375799#post5375799

I worry that other dogs might have been around their dog....lots of little silent carriers might be out there. :(


ETA: I think the dog should be put down... Maybe people don't realize that they can carry it and not show symptoms, but would still be infectious?
 

Possible Impact

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I didn't think to look on the main, but I had added it to the first Madrid thread too. :) http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...contract-outside-Africa&p=5375799#post5375799

I worry that other dogs might have been around their dog....lots of little silent carriers might be out there. :(


ETA: I think the dog should be put down... Maybe people don't realize that they can carry it and not show symptoms, but would still be infectious?

I actually started posting items early this afternoon on this:
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...0-01-2014-TO-10-15-2014&p=5375380#post5375380

I think it is a bad idea to simply kill the dog, instead test & observe him to check for Ebola and any symptoms.
Then if positive, to hold till asymptomatic and continue tests, with secure visits from Javier and Teresa.
Use his life for scientific advancement, not throw away uselessly.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
OK, now people WILL pay attention.
Ebola can kill yer children - but puppies.
Ebola gonna kill yer puppies.

This must go viral.
Quarantine Liberia
Save the puppies.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I didn't think to look on the main, but I had added it to the first Madrid thread too. :) http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...contract-outside-Africa&p=5375799#post5375799

I worry that other dogs might have been around their dog....lots of little silent carriers might be out there. :(


ETA: I think the dog should be put down... Maybe people don't realize that they can carry it and not show symptoms, but would still be infectious?

it could be carrying the virus on it's fur, etc., and yeah what about other dogs, or surfaces this dog has touched?
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I actually started posting items early this afternoon on this:
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...0-01-2014-TO-10-15-2014&p=5375380#post5375380

I think it is a bad idea to simply kill the dog, instead test & observe him to check for Ebola and any symptoms.
Then if positive, to hold till asymptomatic and continue tests, with secure visits from Javier and Teresa.
Use his life for scientific advancement, not throw away uselessly.

They're probably thinking that they should reserve Level IV slots for humans.

Now that they have their first case of in-country Ebola, their eyes ore out on stalks.

That sucks.
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
I actually started posting items early this afternoon on this:
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...0-01-2014-TO-10-15-2014&p=5375380#post5375380

I think it is a bad idea to simply kill the dog, instead test & observe him to check for Ebola and any symptoms.
Then if positive, to hold till asymptomatic and continue tests, with secure visits from Javier and Teresa.
Use his life for scientific advancement, not throw away uselessly.

I have no problem with that, if they could do it safely, I just don't trust that they can. They have a hard enough time with symptomatic people, let alone a dog, that may never show symptoms.

What if the incuabtion timeline is different for dogs? Lots of variables there.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
The looming threat of some government thug coming over to kill one's dog/s is enough to ensure millions of ppl on earth never let anybody know if they become ill from now on. I myself will never ever mention even a sniffle. This does it. Some of us have magnificent dogs into whom we've invested vast amounts of time, training, money, and love, and we will let NOTHING harm our canine family members. My Newfs are my service dogs, with me 24/7 and because of them I can lead a somewhat normal life, certainly fulfilling and enjoyable.

A quarantine would suffice should a dog get Ebola. The virus will leave its system. Then the dog will not be a threat. If the dog is living with a person who recovers from Ebola the dog is not a threat provided it stays home. Going around wantonly killing ppl's dogs is a surefire way to obliterate any trust or cooperation with authorities.
 

Mysty

Veteran Member
I was wondering what the risks were to our pets, so it sounds as if it's high. Does anyone know if ebola can be transmitted to birds or not?

Although birds haven't been found with ebola, I don't think they have tested them much. This was such a confined disease we haven't done the testing we should have. Birds are a big maybe. http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/birds-could-spread-ebola-virus-study-suggests-1.316189 Ill be covering my chickens with a tarp if it gets near.

Animals that have tested positive for ebola are dogs, bats, rodents, some hemorrhagic over there are spread by ticks, their form of deer so probably hunting will be out. Cats have not been found with ebola, but they just haven't been tested. Mosquitos have not been found with ebola, and they have been tested a lot. That is not to say they don't carry it and spread it, it just means they have come up negative in testing so far.

I would guess most mammals can get it :shk:
 

NeverSayNever

Contributing Member
This was the question that I woke up and asked myself this morning... What about animals and Ebola? I do not recall seeing a lot about it in the articles offered. What about our pets? What about animals in general? So I looked it up and saw the article where they were planning to put the nurses dog to sleep. I saw more articles too. I saw that it is VERY transmittable through animals and it makes this situation even more horrid. This made me think about our food supply. What about insect bites? If you can get Limes disease and other diseases from fleas and ticks, who is to say Ebola can't be transmitted the same way? Animals relieve themselves "wherever" so everyone is easily exposed. It seems that this is not going to be containable at all once it spreads to animals in any given area. Life is about to get very interesting indeed. Crazy times we live in.
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It is interesting to note that this virus seems to hit many species. We already know it is in monkeys, pigs & bats. Add in dogs. I suspect that any mammal is susceptible... possibly birds.

Since rodents can carry it, maybe, just as in the black death, fleas will be able to spread it. If this hits India, it will be zombie reality.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
I would not hesitate to put any pet down if there was ANY CHANCE AT ALL that infection on his fur or in his body could be present and endanger ANY HUMAN.
AND RESEARCH DEFINITELY indicates that possibility.
If MY KID/spouse contracted Ebola and died because YOUR DAMNED DOG "HAD TO BE SAVED", I would be furious.
 

Possible Impact

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¿Excalibur has been sacrificed?


Several experts have come to the home of Teresa and Javier first
thing in the morning


Dozens of people have camped outside the house to avoid the
procedure

0_g93geeda

Excalibur, the auxiliary dog infected by Ebola ATLAS

AGENCIES Madrid

Updated: 10/08/2014 16:34 pm
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From the Complutense University of Madrid have denied that Excalibur's
dog Teresa Romero, the nursing assistant infected by the Ebola virus in
Alcorcón, has been sacrificed on the premises of the university.

However, hours before had distributed a statement in which Peter
L.Lorenzo, dean of the Faculty of Veterinary alerted the members of the
center "has been authorized to Excalibur dog's body, which according
to protocols interventions that are designed into the Community of
Madrid, will reach Visavet Center facilities. " The letter indicated that "all
protocols are made with the maximum safety and am waiting to receive
the report of the Centre".

In a new statement, he sent hours later, reported that "is revoked
permission
to move the body of said animal to any installation of UCM".


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The protocol for slaughter was launched this morning. First thing came
to the home of the patient and her husband, Javier Limón, a truck of two
people in white coveralls down, but with hands and faces uncovered. It
also came in a small trailer a glass case, in compliance with the orders
given by the health authorities of the Community of Madrid.

According to informed sources the Superior Court of Madrid to EFE, the
authorities are allowed to enter the house,
through the
accreditation that the Court of Administrative Litigation Madrid number 1
allocated to the health authorities.

They also attended the fire area of ​​the City of Alcorcón and Madrid and
then a staff Emergency Madrid 112.


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Excalibur, Wednesday at the balcony of the home of Teresa and Javier.
AFP


However, no one has entered the house until after noon, as has been
found, Javier Barbancho, photographer of THE WORLD moved to that
point. According to his testimony, around 12:30 am, firefighters have
entered the home and this movement coincided with the release of the
dog to the balcony of the house.

The chief strength of firefighters Madrid, Juan Carlos Martínez, also
Councilman Green in the city of Alcorcón, criticized statements
Servimedia the procedure is being followed, as it indicated that the
regional rules of emergency forces there is a risk unit and that unit NBC
nobody called. Yes it is called the Fire Community to come forward and
assess the situation.

Protests

Throughout the morning, a group of advocates animal activists have
focused in front of the complex where the couple now isolated in the
Hospital La Paz, Carlos III resides. Fifty guard them has made ​​since
Tuesday afternoon and during all tonight to try to avoid is to sacrifice
the pet.

The number of activists has increased throughout the morning, like the
tone of their protests, to the point that some have experienced moments
of tension with security forces displaced the address. Finally, the police
have evicted people remained concentrated and require the protection of
animal shouting 'Excalibur, you are not alone' and 'Ana Mato,
resignation'.


Their protests respond to the decision of the Government of the
Community of Madrid, as a preventive measure, sacrificing the dog
yesterday ordered the couple to understand that "pose a potential risk
of transmitting
the disease to humans," and that "lived in close and
continuing contact "with the patient.

The Ministry of Health in Madrid said in a statement that, based on
available scientific information, "no data to support the finding dogs with
positive antibodies to Ebola virus," so these animals "can undergo a
process of viremia although showing asymptomatic. "

"Consequently, there is no guarantee that animals infected clear the
virus through their body fluids, with the potential risk of infection," he
adds.

The husband of the patient refused from the outset to sacrifice your pet
and social networking denounced the intentions of the authorities of
sacrifice, after which it has received numerous expressions of solidarity.
In fact, over 200,000 people have signed a petition on the web
www.change.org
in which it is asked to quarantine or isolation for the
pet.



 

Warm Wisconsin

Easy as 3.141592653589..
I would not hesitate to put any pet down if there was ANY CHANCE AT ALL that infection on his fur or in his body could be present and endanger ANY HUMAN.
AND RESEARCH DEFINITELY indicates that possibility.
If MY KID/spouse contracted Ebola and died because YOUR DAMNED DOG "HAD TO BE SAVED", I would be furious.

1000%
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
I would not hesitate to put any pet down if there was ANY CHANCE AT ALL that infection on his fur or in his body could be present and endanger ANY HUMAN.
AND RESEARCH DEFINITELY indicates that possibility.
If MY KID/spouse contracted Ebola and died because YOUR DAMNED DOG "HAD TO BE SAVED", I would be furious.
Your attitude vs my attitude is the first time I feel civil war truly could come to the USA, and soon. Going into a person's home and shooting dogs or family members isn't going to go down peacefully.

Some dogs are not pets. Mine are not pets. They are service dogs, and I am able to function because of them. Kill them and you kill me. Any attack on them is a direct attack on me. Believe me I will not allow any attack on my service dogs.

The use of service dogs is growing fast. Your attitude puts you in grave danger. Remember that as this becomes more real with more infections.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
The people who are waxing distraught over the idea of putting down a dog potentially infective with Ebola
NEED TO PUT ON THEIR "big girl panties", suck it up and ACT LIKE ADULTS
.

SOMEBODY has to use COMMON SENSE in a crisis, and ADULTS WHO ACT LIKE a 9 year old girls screaming condemnation upon firemen who refuse to run into her fully engulfed house fire to save her beloved cat IS UNDERSTANDABLY ACTING LIKE A CLUELESS CHILD, but IF HER PARENTS ALSO start demanding OTHERS risk their lives to save the damned cat, then they too, acting like irresponsible children who want what they want regardless of the potential COST, then forfeit the right for their opinion to be respected or considered.
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Your attitude vs my attitude is the first time I feel civil war truly could come to the USA, and soon. Going into a person's home and shooting dogs or family members isn't going to go down peacefully.

Some dogs are not pets. Mine are not pets. They are service dogs, and I am able to function because of them. Kill them and you kill me. Any attack on them is a direct attack on me. Believe me I will not allow any attack on my service dogs.

The use of service dogs is growing fast. Your attitude puts you in grave danger. Remember that as this becomes more real with more infections.


Errr... uhhh... did you read the post that you are responding to? If your service dog(s) got ebola, and you think you can keep them by your side or take them to the store, or whatever... you are off your meds.
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This reminds me or another question. Some animals will survive deadly (human) diseases and be carriers until they die. Monkeys can carry a deadly herpes virus. These things can go dormant or have no visible symptoms.

We still do not know if there is recurrence of this ebola virus in "cured" patients. If so, they will either be on permanent anti-viral meds or they will have to forever be quarantined.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Once this is confirmed spreading in the USA I won't be going to stores and certainly not with my service dogs. I'm talking about somebody coming into one's private home and killing dogs or ppl or whatever else they decide they have to kill. I'm sure cats, birds etc will not be off the hook. Will they go to farms and kill all the animals also?
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Service dogs are different. They should still be quarantined.
Service dogs ARE DOGS. Get another one.
Nobody should have to risk becoming infected to save your DOG, service or not.
THAT SAID, THERE IS absolutely NO justification harming the pets of anyone not Ebola infected.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
It takes years and thousands upon thousands of dollars to properly train a service dog. Mine are from the best breeder and trainer on earth, from Belgium, and are not replaceable. What one does after dedicating one's life to the first one is get a puppy while the first is in his prime and use the older one to help train the puppy. Starting from scratch is beyond the capability of many disabled persons. Ppl who are ignorant have a totally cavalier attitude and use dismissive ridicule to trample the legitimate needs of other people. That type of attitude and the willingness to barge into somebody's home and kill a dog without permission or testing is going to get authorities killed and incite riots the world over. Already in Spain there are protests and almost half a million petition signature to spare the dog. Just a fair warning to those who think they can go into a person's home and kill dogs or any other members of the family. This is my last post on this subject. It is so obvious and basic that it is beyond educating.
 

Hawkgirl_70

Veteran Member
I stand with you.

And he should definitely NOT be put down if he shows no signs and is isolated in the apartment.

Kathy

It takes years and thousands upon thousands of dollars to properly train a service dog. Mine are from the best breeder and trainer on earth, from Belgium, and are not replaceable. What one does after dedicating one's life to the first one is get a puppy while the first is in his prime and use the older one to help train the puppy. Starting from scratch is beyond the capability of many disabled persons. Ppl who are ignorant have a totally cavalier attitude and use dismissive ridicule to trample the legitimate needs of other people. That type of attitude and the willingness to barge into somebody's home and kill a dog without permission or testing is going to get authorities killed and incite riots the world over. Already in Spain there are protests and almost half a million petition signature to spare the dog. Just a fair warning to those who think they can go into a person's home and kill dogs or any other members of the family. This is my last post on this subject. It is so obvious and basic that it is beyond educating.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
It takes years and thousands upon thousands of dollars to properly train a service dog. Mine are from the best breeder and trainer on earth, from Belgium, and are not replaceable. What one does after dedicating one's life to the first one is get a puppy while the first is in his prime and use the older one to help train the puppy. Starting from scratch is beyond the capability of many disabled persons. Ppl who are ignorant have a totally cavalier attitude and use dismissive ridicule to trample the legitimate needs of other people. That type of attitude and the willingness to barge into somebody's home and kill a dog without permission or testing is going to get authorities killed and incite riots the world over. Already in Spain there are protests and almost half a million petition signature to spare the dog. Just a fair warning to those who think they can go into a person's home and kill dogs or any other members of the family. This is my last post on this subject. It is so obvious and basic that it is beyond educating.
Then YOU be the one to house and nurse your sick animal. Oh wait, you don't probably NEED THE ANIMAL because you (like the nurse) are either dead of Ebola or fighting for your life. No Veterinarian or vet technician should have to worry about possibly BRINGING HOME and exposing his kids to Ebola to save A DOG. And, how many OTHER PEOPLES DOGS might have to be put down if Ebola from your dog gets loose in the Veterinary Hospital?
 
Then YOU be the one to house and nurse your sick animal. Oh wait, you don't probably NEED THE ANIMAL because you (like the nurse) are either dead of Ebola or fighting for your life. No Veterinarian or vet technician should have to worry about possibly BRINGING HOME and exposing his kids to Ebola to save A DOG. And, how many OTHER PEOPLES DOGS might have to be put down if Ebola from your dog gets loose in the Veterinary Hospital?

Reasearch into this has shown that dogs are asymptomatic, therefore they would not require treatment.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Um... ainit... can you stop screaming at people? Please?

I believe Leska has made it clear that she *would* be caring for/keeping her dog at home. She's a responsible person... she'd not likely to risk infecting "someone else's children" in the unlikely event that the dog was exposed to Ebola.

As Bertaburtonlake has pointed out, dogs don't become actively ill, so don't require "nursing" or treatment.

You really need to try to understand that not everyone has identical priorities to yours, and that your point of view may not be the only valid one out there.

Summerthyme
 

Locknload

Contributing Member
And dude like it or not this a dog lovers board. I once said I was not a dog person and was called mentally defective. Lol
Let it go people are people some things in life are above reason they are matters of the heart
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
Reasearch into this has shown that dogs are asymptomatic, therefore they would not require treatment.

Whoever is caring for the dog still has to have protective equipment (unless they already have Ebola) and the room(s)/kennel area has to be decontaminated, etc.

Dogs don't show symptoms, true, but they are silent carriers. Doggie versions of Typhoid Mary.
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I can't believe the discussion happening here. Madness. If YOUR dog has ebola, whether it has symptoms or not, it is carrying a deadly virus and can spread it through its saliva, urine, defecation and blood. Now if you think that your dog is more valuable than any human's life, including your own, perhaps you need to write up a will with your intentions because either the dog's virus will kill you and you won't be around to manage it, or if you are in a populated area and someone's child is sickened because of your dog, the question of getting put down will never need to come up.

Your ebola-infected service dog would need to be kept permanently in a Biosafety Level 4 facility. Trust me... you cannot afford that. And if you don't, you are negligent... criminally negligent.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Except- at this point, the Spanish authorities just killed the dog "in case"- they have NO idea if it's infected or not.

Their knee-jerk reactions also ruined an excellent chance of doing some seminal research into resistant species, as well as (IF the dog even was infected) times to virus clearance, etc

Summerthyme
 
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