POL Linda Campbell's essay on Mainstream Americans is WRONG!

dstraito

TB Fanatic
I believe Linda Campbell is highly indicative of Liberal thinking. They fail to see the dangers the policies THEIR party is creating and anyone that disagrees the simply resort to name-calling and trying to discredit the messenger or a group of people instead of addressing the issues.

Her story appeared in the Star Telegram at the following link:

I'll include the text at the bottom of this post.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/columnists/linda_campbell/story/1600678.html


My response:

What about Linda Campbell’s “Can we please act like United States?” article?

She mentions the POTUS speech to the kids as a once-in-a-lifetime event not an indoctrination.

Maybe so many people would not suspect a presidential message if so many of the executive decisions were not suspect. Refusal to denounce communists who were not vetted and made special advisors, refusal to denounce radicals promoting with beliefs of forced abortions and mandatory sterilization are real issues to a lot of people.

Is this the America Linda wants back?

Maybe she can answer some of these questions then.

What exactly is the scope and nature of a “Civilian Army” equal is size and training to the US Army? Who exactly is the enemy here?

Is the America she envisions one that ban hunting and either outlaw meat or tweak the regulations to make it prohibitive to acquire it?

Is Linda’s view of a “United” America one in which all people agree with HER point of view and all that disagree are part of a “MOB” or are considered un-American?

When people don’t agree with HER Party’s view, its okay to consider them mindless opposition when they point to other countries failed initiatives into Socialism and Health Care? By all means, lets not learn from history!

I guess HER mainstream Americans are all okay with Radical views on the environment, destructive economic policies, Communists advisors in our Government and destroying the US Constitution. I guess HER mainstream Americans are FOR a huge buildup in Government, Economic spending and expansion programs that are unsustainable, destruction of American Businesses and the progress towards Socialism and/or Communism.

If HER mainstream Americans get their way this will NOT be the United States. This will NOT be America. This will be a third-world equivalent of a once great nation.

Keep me out of the mainstream if that’s the case. Yes they can and if they do, watch out America!


Linda Campbell's column:

I want my country back.

The one where a message of personal responsibility and the value of a good education is celebrated, not denigrated with suspicion and hostility.

The one where the opportunity to hear from the president of the United States is seen as a once-in-a-lifetime event, not decried as propagandistic indoctrination.

The one where public debate is engaged by reasonable people concerned with solving common problems, not radical voices making stuff up to misinform, inflame and divide.

This country is called the "United" States for a reason.

It’s because once upon a time representatives of a motley collection of colonies considered it in their best interest — for the present and the future — to come together under a federal government that could serve their common needs while letting them have a degree of autonomy.

We aren’t the "Secessionist" States, the irresponsible pandering of our opportunist Texas governor notwithstanding.

And despite the color-coding labels used by pundits and others who find it clever, we aren’t even the "Red-or-Blue-Choose-Only-One" States.

Maybe I’m deluded, but I believe that a majority of Americans still respect the office of the presidency and its occupant — whoever that might be — even if they consider some of his actions ill-conceived, disappointing or wrongheaded.

A majority believes that it doesn’t promote the general welfare to demonize our national leaders as socialist or fascist, evil conspirators, lawbreakers or liars.

A majority believes that no individual, political party or interest group has a monopoly on good ideas, and that we don’t progress by living in bubbles where we listen only to those who look and think like us.

A majority believes that extremists on the airwaves, the Internet and elsewhere do not contribute to domestic tranquility by stirring fear, spreading malice and reaffirming our worst biases.

If our leaders are misleading us, acting above the law, abusing their office or otherwise breaking their commitment to those who elected them, then of course they should be called out and voted out. But seeing sinister conspiracy behind every Web head is using free speech as a cudgel, not a tool for enlightenment.

The vitriol aimed at President Barack Obama’s back-to-school address is emblematic of mindless opposition.

Culture conservatives are adamant about wanting public schools to teach kids values such as respect, hard work, personal responsibility and patriotism. But heaven forbid the president of the United States should talk to students about hard work, personal responsibility and dedication to their goals and to their country. That somehow smacks of indoctrination.

Sheesh!

Because President George W. Bush took the country into war on false pretenses, disregarded the law on wiretapping and treatment of detainees, and damaged the Justice Department’s reputation for fairness, his most vociferous critics wrongly insisted that he could do no right.

Because President Obama hasn’t righted the economy, has called for healthcare reform that could carry a mind-boggling price tag and advocates some ideas that challenge right-wing ideology, a relentless minority stubbornly — and wrongly — works to caricature him as a menace to America.

Loyal opposition this isn’t, because loyal opposition isn’t bent on destruction. It’s dedicated to constructive criticism that leads to better laws, better policies, a better future.

Four years ago, I wrote about mainstream Americans worried about staying afloat during repeated downsizings, about paying for their healthcare, about whether their kids would find a decent job.

I believe mainstream Americans want solutions to a very real healthcare crisis, not knock-down drag-outs at town hall meetings. They want rational discussion about improving the economy, putting people to work, making college affordable, reducing the federal deficit, and enabling people to provide for their own and their families’ physical and emotional security.

They’re worried about problems that we can work with our government to fix. Now, if only cooler heads would prevail and stop getting sidetracked by phony controversies fanned by extreme voices who don’t speak for the majority of Americans.


Obviously there is a difference of opinion about what is mainstream!
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
I believe Linda Campbell is highly indicative of Liberal thinking. They fail to see the dangers the policies THEIR party is creating and anyone that disagrees the simply resort to name-calling and trying to discredit the messenger or a group of people instead of addressing the issues.
Her story appeared in the Star Telegram at the following link:

I'll include the text at the bottom of this post.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/columnists/linda_campbell/story/1600678.html
It appears that while the President Bush's administration was cramming legislation thru labeling anyone who objected unpatriotic or a terrorist, the Democrats were taking notes.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
It appears that while the President Bush's administration was cramming legislation thru labeling anyone who objected unpatriotic or a terrorist, the Democrats were taking notes.

Which makes it right?

I was always taught two wrongs don't make a right!

Let's stop trying to justify wrong behavior on an administration that is no longer in power. Let's start taking responsibility.

WRONG IS WRONG! PERIOD!
 

Shazball

Contributing Member
Which makes it right?

I was always taught two wrongs don't make a right!

Let's stop trying to justify wrong behavior on an administration that is no longer in power. Let's start taking responsibility.

WRONG IS WRONG! PERIOD!

I think OGM was just making an observation.
 
Linda Campbell's column:
I want my country back.
My comments are in red.
The one where a message of personal responsibility and the value of a good education is celebrated, not denigrated with suspicion and hostility.
Good start.
The one where the opportunity to hear from the president of the United States is seen as a once-in-a-lifetime event, not decried as propagandistic indoctrination.
Depends upon the 'message'. He isn't my 'messiah'.
The one where public debate is engaged by reasonable people concerned with solving common problems, not radical voices making stuff up to misinform, inflame and divide.
I agree. I'd love to see this.
This country is called the "United" States for a reason.

It’s because once upon a time representatives of a motley collection of colonies considered it in their best interest — for the present and the future — to come together under a federal government that could serve their common needs while letting them have a degree of autonomy.

We aren’t the "Secessionist" States, the irresponsible pandering of our opportunist Texas governor notwithstanding.

And despite the color-coding labels used by pundits and others who find it clever, we aren’t even the "Red-or-Blue-Choose-Only-One" States.
Okay, so far.
Maybe I’m deluded, but I believe that a majority of Americans still respect the office of the presidency and its occupant — whoever that might be — even if they consider some of his actions ill-conceived, disappointing or wrongheaded.
What if he isn't qualified, not a natural citizen, and lied to get the job? What if his actions are traitorist?
A majority believes that it doesn’t promote the general welfare to demonize our national leaders as socialist or fascist, evil conspirators, lawbreakers or liars.
But it's okay to demonize those who disagree? Right? So we are to just 'go along' and let our socialist, fascist, elected lawbreakers do what they want? nObama wanted our dear elected to vote for Obamacare and the bill hadn't even been written. "We'll fill in the blanks later." It's a big rush to get it passed but it doesn't take effect until 2013.
A majority believes that no individual, political party or interest group has a monopoly on good ideas, and that we don’t progress by living in bubbles where we listen only to those who look and think like us.
Again....a majority? who says? I guess that's why the Defeat-0-rats don't want Repub input. No changes.
A majority believes that extremists on the airwaves, the Internet and elsewhere do not contribute to domestic tranquility by stirring fear, spreading malice and reaffirming our worst biases.
But libtard extremists are okay? Michael Moore tells the truth, right? Franks, Reed, Pelosi, Dobbs, Gathner, all tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
If our leaders are misleading us, acting above the law, abusing their office or otherwise breaking their commitment to those who elected them, then of course they should be called out and voted out. But seeing sinister conspiracy behind every Web head is using free speech as a cudgel, not a tool for enlightenment.
I agree to a point. But we have to have someone charge them and a court system that will not hide behind excuses. "Free speech as a cudgel..."? That doesn't sound like you consider disagreement with your view, to me.
The vitriol aimed at President Barack Obama’s back-to-school address is emblematic of mindless opposition.
Mindless opposition....yeah, that sounds like you will listen to the opposition to your views. Who made you judge and jury?
Culture conservatives are adamant about wanting public schools to teach kids values such as respect, hard work, personal responsibility and patriotism. But heaven forbid the president of the United States should talk to students about hard work, personal responsibility and dedication to their goals and to their country. That somehow smacks of indoctrination.
If he limited his remarks to hard work, respect, and personal responsibility. But, Sheesh, I really had my doubts.
Sheesh!

Because President George W. Bush took the country into war on false pretenses, disregarded the law on wiretapping and treatment of detainees, and damaged the Justice Department’s reputation for fairness, his most vociferous critics wrongly insisted that he could do no right.
"false pretenses" or missinformation? But you know for sure, right? I note Defeat-0-rats voted to support the effort.
Because President Obama hasn’t righted the economy, has called for healthcare reform that could carry a mind-boggling price tag and advocates some ideas that challenge right-wing ideology, a relentless minority stubbornly — and wrongly — works to caricature him as a menace to America.
"Challenge right-wing ideology a relentless minority stubbornly and wrongly .....", yeah, you aren't at all closed minded yourself, are you? It isn't a minority any more! Every day more and more CITIZENS decide that Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, come to realize his socialist programs will bankrupt the country. And that it's all about POWER not working for the good of the country.
Loyal opposition this isn’t, because loyal opposition isn’t bent on destruction. It’s dedicated to constructive criticism that leads to better laws, better policies, a better future.
Looks like the Repubs took a note when Pelosi, Reed, Franks, Dobbs, Kenedy, and crew were writing 'love' notes to President Bush. My how the worm turns. The Defeat-0-rats don't want to hear constructive criticism from anyone if it doesn't toe the party line.
Four years ago, I wrote about mainstream Americans worried about staying afloat during repeated downsizings, about paying for their healthcare, about whether their kids would find a decent job.

I believe mainstream Americans want solutions to a very real healthcare crisis, not knock-down drag-outs at town hall meetings. They want rational discussion about improving the economy, putting people to work, making college affordable, reducing the federal deficit, and enabling people to provide for their own and their families’ physical and emotional security.
'health care crisis" or healthcare insurance problem? The resistance knows what works and why what works failed. If Barrny Franks and Dobbs hadn't forced banks to make loans to high risk home borrowers and allowed Fredy and Fanny to operate with impunity, we wouldn't be in a financial crisis. But, libtards wanted everyone to own their own home.
They’re worried about problems that we can work with our government to fix. Now, if only cooler heads would prevail and stop getting sidetracked by phony controversies fanned by extreme voices who don’t speak for the majority of Americans.
Again.... Phony controversies fammed by extreme voices who don't speak for the majority. The governmint isn't AUTHORIZED to FIX all our problems. Nor can they! What government program operates within budget?
Obviously there is a difference of opinion about what is mainstream!


Obviously there is a difference of opinion!
 

fredkc

Retired Class Clown
It appears that while the President Bush's administration was cramming legislation thru labeling anyone who objected unpatriotic or a terrorist, the Democrats were taking notes.
Thank you OGM !!

Our country has been the victim of decades of tag-team destruction. Each party builds on the crap foisted on us by the last.

ALL of this Dem/Rep arguing is fatally delusional! "You're both right!"

It always reminds me of an old Laurel & Hardy skit.
The two of them standing in a small boat, screaming at each other.
Meanwhile the boat quietly sinks.
 
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mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It does not matter who is in charge as certain policies that are destroying America continue unabated across any number political changes at the helm.

And just as fredkc points out one admin builds upon the usurpation of the previous admin.
 

johnnymac

Inactive
Linda Campbell's column:

I want my country back.

The one where a message of personal responsibility and the value of a good education is celebrated, not denigrated with suspicion and hostility.

I agree with personal responsibility. Like paying for your own health insurance, mortgage and car.

Good education is important too. Where education is the responsibility of the parent and not the state. After all, we want personal responsibility, right?


The one where the opportunity to hear from the president of the United States is seen as a once-in-a-lifetime event, not decried as propagandistic indoctrination.

It might be such an event. But it would be nice if the President reminded citizens that he works for them and not the other way round.

The one where public debate is engaged by reasonable people concerned with solving common problems, not radical voices making stuff up to misinform, inflame and divide.

Such as accusing the president and his administration of bizarre conspiracy plots, shadow governments and charges of racism? How novel.


This country is called the "United" States for a reason.

Then why do so many Americans use hyphens to describe their involvement? i.e. African-American, Hispanic-American, Asian-American, etc. I missed how that "unites" us as one people?


It’s because once upon a time representatives of a motley collection of colonies considered it in their best interest — for the present and the future — to come together under a federal government that could serve their common needs while letting them have a degree of autonomy.

No, that is not what happed. Read your history. And the "people" or "federal government" do not "let us have" a degree of autonomy. That comes from our Creator. You and yours cannot legislate that.


We aren’t the "Secessionist" States, the irresponsible pandering of our opportunist Texas governor notwithstanding.

Nor or we under a dictatorial control of Washington DC. The states hold power in this union, United States remember? If the Feds abuse their power, the States can stop them and hold the cards to do so. There you go with your rational discussion about the governor. I thought we were going to be civil in your America?



And despite the color-coding labels used by pundits and others who find it clever, we aren’t even the "Red-or-Blue-Choose-Only-One" States.

No, your One says we are Purple. He said it not me.


Maybe I’m deluded, but I believe that a majority of Americans still respect the office of the presidency and its occupant — whoever that might be — even if they consider some of his actions ill-conceived, disappointing or wrongheaded.

Yes, most Americans do respect the office of the President. More of us wish he did too. Unforatunately, with all the apologizing and blaming of America he engages in, we don't think that is possible.


A majority believes that it doesn’t promote the general welfare to demonize our national leaders as socialist or fascist, evil conspirators, lawbreakers or liars.

Yes, and we know you felt and yours, including most of the Democrat party leadership, Kennedy, Reid, etc, felt that same way about the last President.

A majority believes that no individual, political party or interest group has a monopoly on good ideas, and that we don’t progress by living in bubbles where we listen only to those who look and think like us.

Hence the reason the majority party left the minority party out of the stimulus bill, the Omnibus spending bill, the bailout of GM and Chrysler and now health care?

A majority believes that extremists on the airwaves, the Internet and elsewhere do not contribute to domestic tranquility by stirring fear, spreading malice and reaffirming our worst biases.

Or in the White House, maybe that is why Van Jones is searching Monster.com for his next gig. But the Daily Kos is still on the Internet. Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow are still on TV but they are only spreading joy and love, right?


If our leaders are misleading us, acting above the law, abusing their office or otherwise breaking their commitment to those who elected them, then of course they should be called out and voted out. But seeing sinister conspiracy behind every Web head is using free speech as a cudgel, not a tool for enlightenment.

Which they will be in 2010. Both sides, all liars, cheats and crooks.


The vitriol aimed at President Barack Obama’s back-to-school address is emblematic of mindless opposition.

And subserivience to Obama, his policies and his thuggery is enlightened?

Culture conservatives are adamant about wanting public schools to teach kids values such as respect, hard work, personal responsibility and patriotism. But heaven forbid the president of the United States should talk to students about hard work, personal responsibility and dedication to their goals and to their country. That somehow smacks of indoctrination.

No, real conservatives want reading, writing and math taught and their related work rewarded. The rest is the job of the parents, not teachers.


Sheesh!

Because President George W. Bush took the country into war on false pretenses, disregarded the law on wiretapping and treatment of detainees, and damaged the Justice Department’s reputation for fairness, his most vociferous critics wrongly insisted that he could do no right.

Let's go back to the beginning and reread our opines on mindless conspiracies and rationale discourse. Remember the majority want civility. You must be a minority.


Because President Obama hasn’t righted the economy, has called for healthcare reform that could carry a mind-boggling price tag and advocates some ideas that challenge right-wing ideology, a relentless minority stubbornly — and wrongly — works to caricature him as a menace to America.

No, he is just taking actions and proposing changes which will break our economy. We have a 1.8 trillion dollar deficit and he has plans to spend more. That's a problem and makes his policies a menace.

Loyal opposition this isn’t, because loyal opposition isn’t bent on destruction. It’s dedicated to constructive criticism that leads to better laws, better policies, a better future.

Dissent is patriotic, remember?

Four years ago, I wrote about mainstream Americans worried about staying afloat during repeated downsizings, about paying for their healthcare, about whether their kids would find a decent job.

Good. It has become worse since then. It isn't getting better.

I believe mainstream Americans want solutions to a very real healthcare crisis, not knock-down drag-outs at town hall meetings. They want rational discussion about improving the economy, putting people to work, making college affordable, reducing the federal deficit, and enabling people to provide for their own and their families’ physical and emotional security.

No, they want jobs. They want a strong economy. They want less debt both for themselves and their government. The president needs to work on those problems and not on campaigning, making speeches to school kids and dickering with the health care system.


They’re worried about problems that we can work with our government to fix. Now, if only cooler heads would prevail and stop getting sidetracked by phony controversies fanned by extreme voices who don’t speak for the majority of Americans.

Like most of Obama's czars. None of them have anything to do with mainstream American. Why are they there? Does he listen to them and not us?



Obviously there is a difference of opinion about what is mainstream!


Nice try, ma'am. But the ministry of propaganda is falling apart. Best get your resume together and start looking for a new job.

Thanks!
 
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Sligo

Membership Revoked
I agree with her. It is difficult to find rational discussions of the issues.

OMG! I so agree. I have no problem disagreeing with anyone. I have no problem LISTENING to another point of view - that's why I participate on this very forum! Because maybe I may learn something new, or consider another side that I did not consider before, IF it is presented to me in a RATIONAL manner.

When someone is carrying a sign of Obama made to look like Hitler, I'm not listening to anything they say. When someone is SCREAMING that Obama is going to Indoctrinate the children in a 45 minute speech, I'm not listening. When I see that a pastor is PRAYING for Obama to die, I'm seriously not listening.

But, let's sit down and talk about the Wall St. bailout and why you and I were both totally against it. Probably different reasons, and I'd like to hear yours. Let's talk about your experience with Health Insurance and I'll tell you mine, let's compare notes. You might have some insight that I don't. I may have some that you don't. Let's talk. It may get heated, and that's all right. Just don't call me a left-pinko-commie-butthead-stoopid-doody-face. Because that's when I STOP listening.
 

BoatGuy

Inactive
"It’s because once upon a time representatives of a motley collection of colonies considered it in their best interest — for the present and the future — to come together under a federal government that could serve their common needs while letting them have a degree of autonomy."
BS... Once upon a time, the colonies created the Federal Government for common defense... and not much else. The fed is the one that decreed that they had more power than they were given by the Constitution! We (and our ancestors) are the ones that let them take it! Now, it's time to take it back! At one time, the States were an autonomous force, with the Fed being a binder that held the country together. Now, the Fed is the one that is tearing this country apart.
 

ceeblue

Veteran Member
Yep, the colonies were hardly a motley collection. It is closer to fact to call them independent nations after throwing off England.

American history isn't the author's forte.
 

Rearden Steel

Veteran Member
"It’s because once upon a time representatives of a motley collection of colonies considered it in their best interest — for the present and the future — to come together under a federal government that could serve their common needs while letting them have a degree of autonomy."
BS... Once upon a time, the colonies created the Federal Government for common defense... and not much else. The fed is the one that decreed that they had more power than they were given by the Constitution! We (and our ancestors) are the ones that let them take it! Now, it's time to take it back! At one time, the States were an autonomous force, with the Fed being a binder that held the country together. Now, the Fed is the one that is tearing this country apart.

Agreed.............Most of the BS that passes and has passed for legislation for the last 80+ years is unconstitutional. The reality of the matter is there are two ways to look at government. Local first or Federal first. I believe fire departments, police, schools and 90% of all issues should be handled at the city, then county, then state level. There are very few things, like the national defense, that need Federal legislation. I don't need some Jacka$$ in DC telling me how to deal with my healthcare or what kind of mileage my car can get.
 

nharrold

Deceased
"...to come together under a federal government that could serve their common needs while letting them have a degree of autonomy."

"letting"??? She needs to go back to Civics 101. It's not the business of the Feds to "let" or "not let" us do anything.
 
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