BRKG Large explosion in downtown Nashville

bw

Fringe Ranger
This sounds too made up. Either the guy had enough intellect to brush off the police to remind them of the constitutional limitations, or this whole things is made up. And there have only been a handful of individuals that have been successful in brushing off authorities with relatively no repercussions. The fact that there were none for those folks calls into question everything.

I suspect the police had a jaundiced view of the Warner complaint aspect, because it came from a woman who reportedly was threatening suicide. "We've got a nutcase here and she says this other person is building bombs. Uh-huh, right. We'll go through the motions, but let's just put this weird stuff to rest as fast as possible."
 

rob0126

Veteran Member
Im sure someone has made this point.

I heard this on local news radio.

Turns out, the fbi knew about the bombers doings in august of 2019, but supposedly did nothing. (right)

The local police, back in august 2019, was told by someone (I think his girlfriend?) that anthony w was making bombs.

How about that.
 

Masterphreak

Senior Member
Im sure someone has made this point.

I heard this on local news radio.

Turns out, the fbi knew about the bombers doings in august of 2019, but supposedly did nothing. (right)

The local police, back in august 2019, was told by someone (I think his girlfriend?) that anthony w was making bombs.

How about that.

From reading the police reports the local police knew about him. Not to defend the FBI but they only knew they were asked if he had a military record or was known to the FBI at the time, which he wasn't. This one is entirely on the local cops. They should have done more to follow up on this.

That being said I can understand how they might not have taken the former GF's accusations seriously. Not sure what the threshold is to obtain a search warrant in TN. Maybe this didn't meet that threshold. Seeing as how this was not the reason they were called out in the first place they might have thought it was just the former GF trying to make trouble for him.
 

okie-carbine

Veteran Member
OK, something I just thought of, not sure if discussed already but wanted to get it out before I forgot. In the bodycam footage, they leisurely stroll by the rv and don't give it a second glance. The audio is not loud. But, here is what I find interesting. If they are out there investigating a report of shots fired, why don't they put on their bulletproof vests upon arrival? Why do they stroll back to their car and right as he is going for his vest, the bomb goes off?

I call bs on the whole thing.
 

Macgyver

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From reading the police reports the local police knew about him. Not to defend the FBI but they only knew they were asked if he had a military record or was known to the FBI at the time, which he wasn't. This one is entirely on the local cops. They should have done more to follow up on this.

That being said I can understand how they might not have taken the former GF's accusations seriously. Not sure what the threshold is to obtain a search warrant in TN. Maybe this didn't meet that threshold. Seeing as how this was not the reason they were called out in the first place they might have thought it was just the former GF trying to make trouble for him.
I highly doubt her word about a bomb and no other evidence is not enough for a warrant.
 

Masterphreak

Senior Member
OK, something I just thought of, not sure if discussed already but wanted to get it out before I forgot. In the bodycam footage, they leisurely stroll by the rv and don't give it a second glance. The audio is not loud. But, here is what I find interesting. If they are out there investigating a report of shots fired, why don't they put on their bulletproof vests upon arrival? Why do they stroll back to their car and right as he is going for his vest, the bomb goes off?

I call bs on the whole thing.

He already had the vest on, that's what the body cam was attached to. You can see when he takes it off after the explosion. In the interview with the officers the next day he said he had gone back to his car to put the hard plate on as well. There are also reports that the 15 minute countdown had came and went on maybe they weren't convinced that it was gonna blow. Probably were thinking it was just a hoax until the bang.
 

ohiohippie

Veteran Member
He already had the vest on, that's what the body cam was attached to. You can see when he takes it off after the explosion. In the interview with the officers the next day he said he had gone back to his car to put the hard plate on as well. There are also reports that the 15 minute countdown had came and went on maybe they weren't convinced that it was gonna blow. Probably were thinking it was just a hoax until the bang.
Appreciate your insight!
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
This fell out of the news cycle too darn fast.

Btw, I flew out of Detroit two days after this event. I got pulled aside by TSA to get mauled and pawed by a TSA goon. My personal possessions were examined and tested for explosives residue.

I’ve flown often enough to observe that Muslims, Mexicans and blacks don’t endure these horrors. It’s the older white folks that get pulled out of security lines again and again and again.

My theory is that we won’t protest or make a scene. Try detaining anyone else for 20 minutes while you frisk them and test their stuff for explosive residue.

It’s such unmitigated BS.
 

Macgyver

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That's a fair point. As I said from the start, this feels like Armored Bulldozer guy. But there are aspects that look like the Deep State may have done more than just take advantage of his actions. Jury is out in my opinion.
Marvin hedmeyer, had a know list of enemies and his motivation was well known.
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
OMG, Betty Rose! So sorry you went through that. Dang! That's one of my nightmares.

Meemur, I was already stressed out from some other stuff, and I got so unnerved by this "secondary screening" that I got the shakes. Like, really bad shakes. It is a nightmare. And I have never seen anyone other than white folk get pulled out of the line for "extra" screening. BTW, I have a "known traveler" pass, and that did nothing for me. NOTHING.
 

Knoxville's Joker

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I was doing some thinking on backup power. Typically Diesel is used as it is not combustible and it smolders when exposed to fire. I am wondering if they used propane/natural gas generators. Propane is cleaner and much more efficient and down south they never freeze up like they are known to do up north if things get too cold. If they did, onsite storage for 14 days without power would be 20k gallons at a minimum and would easily explain the appearance of a primary and secondary charge. This would have literally been more bank for the buck once you kick off the safety containment measures. The design of the building would have intentionally been built to blow off the blast were it to go off. But this is also unlikely as the combustibility factor with propane outweighs the high safety factors of its usage.
 

Macgyver

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I was doing some thinking on backup power. Typically Diesel is used as it is not combustible and it smolders when exposed to fire. I am wondering if they used propane/natural gas generators. Propane is cleaner and much more efficient and down south they never freeze up like they are known to do up north if things get too cold. If they did, onsite storage for 14 days without power would be 20k gallons at a minimum and would easily explain the appearance of a primary and secondary charge. This would have literally been more bank for the buck once you kick off the safety containment measures. The design of the building would have intentionally been built to blow off the blast were it to go off. But this is also unlikely as the combustibility factor with propane outweighs the high safety factors of its usage.
No way propane for that type of building backup.
Would have been diesel because natural gas does not meet availability standards for telco/data center realability.
 

Knoxville's Joker

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No way propane for that type of building backup.
Would have been diesel because natural gas does not meet availability standards for telco/data center realability.

I was thinking as much. I am just trying to figure where the additional explosives came from as a charge as large as what went off damaging things could not fit in that RV.

Though It could be a hybrid setup propane with diesel backup, propane will still run when power is out. The explosion that would have kicked off before the blast valves clamped could have added some oomph. Or actually if that is where the main utilities came in, propane would have been there for main heating and cooling of the building chiller plant. But if that were the case, other buildings might have gotten hit as well. The backup chiller plants would have been on the roof and be powered by the diesel generators.
 

Gitche Gumee Kid

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I learned years ago in a boating safety course (U S Power Squadron ) that a cup of spilled gasoline in the bilge has the potential of four sticks of dynamite.He could of poured gasoline out ( many gallons ) and opened up the valve on a 20 # cylinder of propane. Then started the igniter count down. :shr:
GGK:ld:
 

Knoxville's Joker

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I learned years ago in a boating safety course (U S Power Squadron ) that a cup of spilled gasoline in the bilge has the potential of four sticks of dynamite.He could of poured gasoline out ( many gallons ) and opened up the valve on a 20 # cylinder of propane. Then started the igniter count down. :shr:
GGK:ld:

I had not looked up that aspect. One gallon of gas weights 6.3 pounds and is equivalent to 14 sticks of tnt. If RV had a 150 gallon main tank and a 200 gallon auxiliary for the generator set that is 350 pounds and would have added substantialy to the blast.


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Take the portable gas container out of your vehicle and set it on the ground while filling it with gas. Static electricity could cause fire to erupt while fueling when it is in your car or pickup bed, NHTSA Administrator Ricardo Martinez, M.D., said. Adding to the danger is the location where these fires could occur -- at a gas station while getting fuel for your snow blower or emergency generator. Cold, dry days in winter increase the chance of ignition, so preventive measures are important.

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Knoxville's Joker

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And scoured from the net some reference on power:

petn 1.24 times tnt
c-4 1.4 times tnt
rdx 1.5 times tnt
tatp 0.7 times tnt
dynamite is not tnt, dynamite is more unstable but more explosive than tnt
gasoline 14 times tnt
ANFO/ANHO(nitrogen/fertilizer bomb) 0.4 times tnt
Propane 0.9 times TNT?

Multiply that out for an equivalency of 600,000 pounds which is 0.3Mt.

Regardless most of the more powerful stuff is a secondary explosive which means it requires a priming charge or current to go off. Shaping and such is as much a science as it is an art and not something for the faint hearted. And even getting the above figures was dizzying going through scientific white papers.

Short answer is where is the additional multiplying force coming from? Was the RV a secondary or primary charge?
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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I was thinking as much. I am just trying to figure where the additional explosives came from as a charge as large as what went off damaging things could not fit in that RV.

Though It could be a hybrid setup propane with diesel backup, propane will still run when power is out. The explosion that would have kicked off before the blast valves clamped could have added some oomph. Or actually if that is where the main utilities came in, propane would have been there for main heating and cooling of the building chiller plant. But if that were the case, other buildings might have gotten hit as well. The backup chiller plants would have been on the roof and be powered by the diesel generators.

I don't know how you can say the RV was not large enough?

The bigger question, for me, is why the authorities have not disclosed what explosives were used?

Why the secrecy and why should we be forced to speculate?
 

Bubble Head

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I don't know how you can say the RV was not large enough?

The bigger question, for me, is why the authorities have not disclosed what explosives were used?

Why the secrecy and why should we be forced to speculate?
I think the Lack of information about the explosives is due to the fact they were military grade. Next question is where did he get them?
 

Knoxville's Joker

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I think the Lack of information about the explosives is due to the fact they were military grade. Next question is where did he get them?
600k pounds estimate, rv capacity: 20k pounds. Math does not add up...

Lack of information on that regards has probably spooked them into secrecy.
 

Knoxville's Joker

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Big Propane tank installed inside built to bomb perhaps.

I doubt it. Propane has some very specific storage requirements.

Looking at some of the natural gas pipeline explosions, it could not have been a natural gas pipeline that blue. The blast would have been substantially bigger.

The article pasted below has some really good embedded videos in it. the fire blast looks fairly close to what we saw on one of the blast videos.

The cause of the pipeline failure is still unknown and will be determined by the National Transportation Safety Board, which will conduct a metallurgical investigation on the pipe, according to the order.

The order says that those two lines could have been damaged by “the concussive force of the Failure” or by heat from the fire that followed.

The order, signed by Associate Administrator for Pipeline Safety Alan Mayberry, states that it would be hazardous for the company to keep operating the three pipelines “without corrective measures.”
“In addition, having considered the uncertainties of the cause of the Failure, the pressure at which gas is transported, the vintage and type of pipe, the risk of fire to the environment and populated areas in the vicinity of the affected segment, and the potential damage to the two adjacent ... pipelines, I find that a failure to issue this order expeditiously to require immediate corrective action would result in the likelihood of serious harm to life, property, or the environment,” Mayberry wrote.
The order specifies that the company must not operate the “isolated segment” of the line — the 19-mile segment that was shut off by closing off mainline valves both upstream and downstream of the explosion Aug. 1 — until it gets authorization from the Office of Pipeline Safety. That restriction also applies to the pipeline on each side.
Enbridge said in a statement Friday that it is “working diligently to comply with the requirements” in the order “and to return to service two adjacent natural gas pipelines near the incident site that were taken out of service as a precautionary safety measure.”
“Enbridge takes these issues very seriously,” the company said in a statement.
The company said it does not have a timeline for when it hopes to begin operating the other two pipelines again but said that “rigorous inspections” will be undertaken first.
“These pipelines will not be returned to service until we satisfy regulatory requirements and it is safe to do so,” the company said.

Jodie Coulter, of Moreland, was overcome with emotion near the site of her home that was destroyed in a gas line explosion Thursday, Aug. 1, 2019. She was burned escaping the blast and fire. Coulter also lost her belongings. Alex Slitz aslitz@herald-leader.com
The order outlines the procedures the company must follow for repairing the pipeline that failed and for restarting operation once the government has given approval for that.
A remedial work plan must be submitted within 90 days. Monthly reports are also required.
In the meantime, the company must reduce the pressure by 20 percent along the entire length of the rest of the pipeline in which the failure occurred.
The order also gives instructions to the company about finding spots along the rest of the pipeline that could have similar problems, and stipulates that within 180 days, the company “must perform an aerial or ground instrumented leakage survey” of the entire 775-mile line. Any leaks that are found must be repaired.
The company must also review its emergency response plan and the actions that it took in response to the pipeline failure and assess its emergency training program and public awareness program, according to the order.
Construction of the pipeline, which is 30 inches in diameter, began in 1942, the order states.
The line carries natural gas between Kosciusko, Miss., and Uniontown, Penn., and is a bi-directional line that flowed south to north until 2014, when Texas Eastern reversed the flow to north to south, according to the order.
The order says the same line that failed in Lincoln County also failed near Morehead on Nov. 2, 2003. In both instances, the pipe that failed was manufactured by a company called A.O. Smith, the order states.
The order says that Texas Eastern performed “in-line inspections” on the line in 2011, 2018 and earlier this year.
“The 2018 tool data indicated a small dent with metal loss that did not require action under federal pipeline safety regulations or (Texas Eastern’s) procedures,” the order states.
The results of the testing that was conducted this year have not yet been provided to the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, according to the order.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
600k pounds estimate, rv capacity: 20k pounds. Math does not add up...

600k? So the bomb was the equivalent of about 120 B29 loads? And 120 B29s with all their bombs in a 10-foot or so blast zone managed to damage several buildings and perhaps collapse one? Someone's math is not adding up, I'll agree to that.

ETA: That's 8 B52s, in case anyone cares.
 
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Knoxville's Joker

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What am I missing? 600,000 lbs is 300 tons, not .3. Think I'll pause and wait for input.

0.3kilotons(brittish metric used in explosives measurement) = 661,386.78655 lbs = 300tons
source:
1 kt = 2204622.6218488 lbs
1 lbs = 4.5359237E-7 kt

Perhaps I was not clear enough. I was floor
 

Murt

Veteran Member
I highly doubt her word about a bomb and no other evidence is not enough for a warrant.
it seems that in some places an anonymous tip about a gun is enough for a 4:30AM No Knock raid
I would think that a bomb would be worth at least 2 guns
 

Knoxville's Joker

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I thought there was a video clip of showing source of explosion as being across the street from the RV?

Correct. That emanated from the utility access holes. Initial thoughts given footage were that it could have been a missile doing the initial blast with RV as secondary. But upon further examination the blow out was extremely similar to a natural gas pipe line explosion before the blast valves kick in, but, the explosion was too small for that, unless, the building was hardened that much more than we were told.
 

slbmatt

Contributing Member
It has been 25 years sense I worked in that part of Nashville. Back then the building were old
but some had the lower floors rebuilt for secure storage. I was told most of the work was done
in late 60's to early 70's by the owner's. And they just kept remodeling and painting.
 
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