GOV/MIL Is the Government planning to use shipping backups caused by the VAX mandates to nationalize all forms of transportation?

[CaryC]

Yeah, that was my first thought- doesn't matter who's running the show, you can't hire people who don't want to work!

Summerthyme

While I agree with you, and Dennis I think there may be a couple of things to consider, or ponder:

Once it is nationalized, can they move federal workers around to fill those jobs. Say border patrol agents start driving truck or lose job? That's just a question.

Second, will the narrative be - since good old Americans won't do the job........open the borders to those that will. ('Sides we're at 4.6 % unemployment got to get somebody to do it)

As a side note a great meme in the political cartoon thread states that if all those ships backed up in the ocean had their products made here in America, they wouldn't be backed up out there in the ocean.

You'd think that if our beloved leader may he live long and prosper, was planning to nationalize something, he'd have a plan to fulfill it.......

Ok on second thought maybe not.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Once it is nationalized, can they move federal workers around to fill those jobs. Say border patrol agents start driving truck or lose job? That's just a question.

Could they be? No. Why? Let’s put it this way:

Why not just move those Affirmative Action hires into the cockpits of airplanes or the wheelhouses of cargo ships? (Hint: because they have no training or experience.)

You, like so many others (most others actually) make the fundamental mistake of thinking semi-trucks are the same as cars to drive. You ever drive one? I already know that answer because of your question. It takes a couple months of training, the passing a battery of 6-8 written tests, then a drive test in an actual semi-truck. And even that won’t gain them the expertise in handling the trucks in tight situations or bad weather.

Nor could “random government employees” get into train cockpits, plane cockpits, or become captains or crews for big ships. If it were easy, anyone could do it. That’s why summer and I answered as we did. Having warm bodies won’t help. Not one little bit.

 

[CaryC]

Could they be? No. Why? Let’s put it this way:

Why not just move those Affirmative Action hires into the cockpits of airplanes or the wheelhouses of cargo ships? (Hint: because they have no training or experience.)

You, like so many others (most others actually) make the fundamental mistake of thinking semi-trucks are the same as cars to drive. You ever drive one? I already know that answer because of your question. It takes a couple months of training, the passing a battery of 6-8 written tests, then a drive test in an actual semi-truck. And even that won’t gain them the expertise in handling the trucks in tight situations or bad weather.

Nor could “random government employees” get into train cockpits, plane cockpits, or become captains or crews for big ships. If it were easy, anyone could do it. That’s why summer and I answered as we did. Having warm bodies won’t help. Not one little bit.

Sure I get that, but that doesn't mean it won't change in a nationalization event.

And you'd be wrong about me too. Because I have.

 

[von Koehler]

Ummm... Arbeigt mache frei (spell?)
Forced labor isn't efficient, but efficiency won't be the point.
As someone stated above, they feed off our misery. Some will take that that as metaphor, I take it literally.

Arbeit macht frei

Usually translated as "work makes (you) free"

An interesting sidenote. In German there are two forms of the word you.

The formal, polite version is Sie. Reserved for addressing your elders or people in authority. Even today it's a minor offense to refer to a police man in the familiar version.

Olviously incoming Juden wouldn't be referred to with the Sie form.

But the familiar version of you, du won't fit either.
It is for family and friends, for example.

So neither form fit. Their solution was to just drop it.

The sign was made by prisoners, and they deliberately turned the b letter upside down.

The original gate sign was stolen but recovered. It is in a museum today and replica installed on the camp gate.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Sure I get that, but that doesn't mean it won't change in a nationalization event.

And you'd be wrong about me too. Because I have.

I dont believe you. It would take MONTHS to train truck drivers, and YEARS to train medical personnel. You strike me as a very intelligent man, so your “that doesn’t mean it won’t change” statement makes me roll my eyes. Only someone a lot dumber than you would say something like that.

 

[The Snack Artist]

From what I've read today it seems CA will not let trucks that don't pass their smog laws (newly enacted) to off load the ships and get the stuff on the road. That's the backup. Nothing more. It's purposeful red tape from CA and .gov. If your truck is 3 years or older, you're out.

Twitter user Jerry Oakley reminds us that “Carriers domiciled in California with trucks older than 2011 model, or using engines manufactured before 2010, will need to meet the Board’s new Truck and Bus Regulation beginning in 2020.” Otherwise, “Their vehicles will be blocked from registration with the state’s DMV,” according to California law.

“The requirement is to purchase electric trucks which do not exist.”

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[CaryC]

I dont believe you. It would take MONTHS to train truck drivers, and YEARS to train medical personnel. You strike me as a very intelligent man, so your “that doesn’t mean it won’t change” statement makes me roll my eyes. Only someone a lot dumber than you would say something like that.

I get that about medical personnel.

And it doesn't matter whether you believe me or not, it's all speculation anyway. Cuz no one has actually mentioned the "N" word. Nationalization.

I bet a bunch of Mexicans could get a license right quick. LOL

But as far as training truck drivers go. Never been to any training but when asked if I could, I said let's see, jumped into a spotter truck hooked up to a trailer, and pulled it around to the front of the factory without ever having a single lesson. Dropped it off and came back, so I had the job for a couple of months.

Helped drive a cab over back in the day probably 19 from Tupelo, to OK City with some circus equipment in the back.

Never had a license, or training. Course when I was 12 driving my dad's 3 on the column car around town I didn't have a license either, and still had to take classes, and the written and drivers road test.

Probably couldn't get a job with out all the training, but just driving one, no problem. So yeah I see your point.

Same for Dozier's and backhoe's, and farm tractors. Driving a stick has never been a problem, no matter how many gears it has. Not to mention all the other things that go into an extra long vehicle. Look in the rear view, and that trailer is like 3 miles long. LOL No brag, just a regular farm boy/city boy/farm boy. LOL

 

[Dennis Olson]

I understand what you’re saying. But the government, should it decide to nationalize and put people into those jobs, would HAVE to train and certify them first. You get that, right? There’s a lot more to driving truck than pushing down on the accelerant going from CityA to CityB.

Under what conditions do you stop at a RR crossing?
How do you slow down going downhill if you lose your brakes?
What is proper procedure for braking going downhill?
When carrying hazmat, where must the shipping papers go while you’re in motion? While you’re out of the truck?
What types of hazmat must never be carried in the same trailer?
What must you inspect during a pre trip and post trip inspection?
What do you do if a cargo tank starts leaking?
How must cylinders of compressed gas be secured?
What’s the difference between a Class A and a Class C road?

Etc. etc. etc.

Like I said, there’s a great deal more to driving an over-the-road semi-truck than moving the steering wheel and playing with the gearshift lever. .

 

[Babs]

I understand what you’re saying. But the government, should it decide to nationalize and put people into those jobs, would HAVE to train and certify them first.

They might already be working on that. How many millions of illegals have been crossing the borders the last few years?

 

[Vegas321]

The gov can “nationalize” anything it wants. However, that won’t do a thing in terms of manpower to operate everything.

They will call in the Military!.........

 

[Macgyver]

The gov can “nationalize” anything it wants. However, that won’t do a thing in terms of manpower to operate everything.

Dennis beat me to this statement.
What are they going to use snowflakes for the labor?

 

[John Wall]

I think the plan is to make the population destitute and desperate, like Germany in the late 20's and early 30's. Like then, most folks will be easily swayed by a system with an apparent way to actually improve the economy and get back on track with employment, fairly stable food, and some dearly missed luxuries Think power grid, and tightly controlled Internet. All communication and finances will be monitored. This will come at a price, however. A Global leadership will arise stripping nations and citizens of basic rights.

Oh, did I forget? "Allegiances must be made and loyalties swayed".

The few resisters will be treated as at large criminals. The surprise may come when the left discovers that many folks did not turn in their arms, and that many of them (us?) have been trained to use them well, and to be a catastrophe if cornered.

 

[summerthyme]

I understand what you’re saying. But the government, should it decide to nationalize and put people into those jobs, would HAVE to train and certify them first. You get that, right? There’s a lot more to driving truck than pushing down on the accelerant going from CityA to CityB.

Under what conditions do you stop at a RR crossing?
How do you slow down going downhill if you lose your brakes?
What is proper procedure for braking going downhill?
When carrying hazmat, where must the shipping papers go while you’re in motion? While you’re out of the truck?
What types of hazmat must never be carried in the same trailer?
What must you inspect during a pre trip and post trip inspection?
What do you do if a cargo tank starts leaking?
How must cylinders of compressed gas be secured?
What’s the difference between a Class A and a Class C road?

Etc. etc. etc.

Like I said, there’s a great deal more to driving an over-the-road semi-truck than moving the steering wheel and playing with the gearshift lever. .

All correct... but who is showing normalcy bias now?

All of those rules and laws will still be in effect... in theory. But various "equity" carveouts- both official and unofficial- will render them meaninless, as we rapidly devolve to third world ststus. By 2025 (or 2022, the way things look right now!)I expect massive shortages, traffic tie ups and (my personal "time to stay home and pull up the drawbridge" marker) trucks delivering food needing to convoy with armed guards.

Because Dennis is definitely right- you don't learn how to safely drive a class A big rig overnight, and any goof can kill someone.

Summerthyme

 

[Dennis Olson]

you don't learn how to safely drive a class A big rig overnight, and any goof can kill someone.

It’s also why I laugh at the push for “driverless trucks.” That’s not going to happen, at least on a large scale. After the first few families are killed, the insurance companies will pull coverage for them. There’s too much that can go wrong. The human needs to be there to handle those situations.

In software development there’s a term used for coding for everything going right: “happy path.” But just satisfying the happy path won’t allow the software to be placed in production. It’s all the boundary condition issues that have to be coded-for and that take all the time. Same with trucks. Happy path is an uneventful trip in good weather with no equipment failures.

I was driving a fully loaded truck (80,000#) out of Denver on i70 one winter night. Temps were right at freezing.. I was on an apparently bare, dry, straight road. Suddenly ahead all the traffic came to a stop. I did too of course. Then up ahead I started seeing cars sliding around, even though they were barely moving. I crept up to that area of road. It was plainly iced-over. Fine. I was only doing 3 mph. Then, as I hit the patch (it was only about 30 yards long), the truck, on absolutely flat freeway, started to slide toward the edge of the road. There was nothing i could do. It was completely out of my control. I compensated as best I could, but kept sliding as I was moving forward. I guarantee you that an AI autopilot wouldn’t have been able to handle it. That’s not “happy path.”

And no fresh out of driving school n00b (or completely untrained seat-jockey) would have been able to either. And that includes “the military doing it!”

 

[summerthyme]

It’s also why I laugh at the push for “driverless trucks.” That’s not going to happen, at least on a large scale. After the first few families are killed, the insurance companies will pull coverage for them. There’s too much that can go wrong. The human needs to be there to handle those situations.

In software development there’s a term used for coding for everything going right: “happy path.” But just satisfying the happy path won’t allow the software to be placed in production. It’s all the boundary condition issues that have to be coded-for and that take all the time. Same with trucks. Happy path is an uneventful trip in good weather with no equipment failures.

I was driving a fully loaded truck (80,000#) out of Denver on i70 one winter night. Temps were right at freezing.. I was on an apparently bare, dry, straight road. Suddenly ahead all the traffic came to a stop. I did too of course. Then up ahead I started seeing cars sliding around, even though they were barely moving. I crept up to that area of road. It was plainly iced-over. Fine. I was only doing 3 mph. Then, as I hit the patch (it was only about 30 yards long), the truck, on absolutely flat freeway, started to slide toward the edge of the road. There was nothing i could do. It was completely out of my control. I compensated as best I could, but kept sliding as I was moving forward. I guarantee you that an AI autopilot wouldn’t have been able to handle it. That’s not “happy path.”

And no fresh out of driving school n00b would have been able to either. And that includes “the military doing it!”

All true. BUT ITS NOT GOING TO STOP THEM from using Mexicans, robots and every warm body they can squeeze through trucker school. This country is in the active stage of collapse, and they've already shown that a few hundred thousand gratuitous deaths don't mean anything to them.

Looking more and more that this may well be IT.

Summerthyme

 

[Seeker22]

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Yeah, that was my first thought- doesn't matter who's running the show, you can't hire people who don't want to work!

Summerthyme

That'll work for the military draft as well.

 

[Old Gray Mare]

All true. BUT ITS NOT GOING TO STOP THEM from using Mexicans, robots and every warm body they can squeeze through trucker school. This country is in the active stage of collapse, and they've already shown that a few hundred thousand gratuitous deaths don't mean anything to them.

Looking more and more that this may well be IT.

Summerthyme

Wouldn't put it past them.

How do you think out of work Americans will feel about unvaccinated, probably unqualified, untrained illegal aliens taking over their jobs? This has doom written all over it on soooo many levels.

Yes they really are that clueless.

 

[WTSR]

This is the wrong question, the question should be... What or Who will Stop them from Nationalizing anything they can?

 

[parocan]

Could they be? No. Why? Let’s put it this way:

Why not just move those Affirmative Action hires into the cockpits of airplanes or the wheelhouses of cargo ships? (Hint: because they have no training or experience.)

You, like so many others (most others actually) make the fundamental mistake of thinking semi-trucks are the same as cars to drive. You ever drive one? I already know that answer because of your question. It takes a couple months of training, the passing a battery of 6-8 written tests, then a drive test in an actual semi-truck. And even that won’t gain them the expertise in handling the trucks in tight situations or bad weather.

Nor could “random government employees” get into train cockpits, plane cockpits, or become captains or crews for big ships. If it were easy, anyone could do it. That’s why summer and I answered as we did. Having warm bodies won’t help. Not one little bit.

Watch highway through hell, Canada has been very lax in who they let drive the big rigs. The amount of drivers who don't know how to drive in the snow or know how to put on chains is insane.

 

[Caplock50]

I'm not smart enough to have come up with this idea. Would love to because suddenly the pieces start to fit together. Never let a perfectly good crisis go to waste don't you know?

So .gov mandates the VAX, Productive members of society resist causing labor shortages due to government and corporate mandated terminations and people quitting not rather than take the Vax. This in turn causes ports to be backed up, trains to get backed up, truck freight brake bulks to get backed up, food processors not to process food, manufactures not to manufacture (not only the loss of skilled labor but also inability to get input for manufacturing process).

So .gov has made a huge mess. Of course it's being blamed on President Trump, Russia, Russia, Russia, the weather, CME's, global warming, the Easter Bunny, anything but .Gov.

Who thinks the .GOV is going to use the mess it created as justification for stepping in, and nationalize transportation; container ships, barges, trucking, air freight... the entire enchilada? All to solve the problem they created?

Like I posted I didn't come up with this theory. I'm just repeating something I heard. Does this make sense or is it just so much more tin foil hat?

They can. Look up, in the 'Federal Archive', E.O. #12919. It lists all the things they can 'take total control' over.