Misc Is it my imagination or is the fbi raid becoming a PR disaster for the DOJ/FBI

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I have suspected for several days now that "The Handlers" (whichever faction at the White House thought this thing up) and the FBI seriously miscalculated and are now running around trying to do damage control.

I think what they expected was a massive reaction but only from those they consider their "enemies" mostly "MAGA" type folks in red States, they were maybe even hoping it would stir some of them up to do stupid things so they would "have" to call out the big guns (or something).

Instead, many Americans saw this for what it was, the type of raid one associates with Banana Republics or the "Fall" of the Western Roman Empire. Even many fairly liberal and well-known people (including politicians) were appalled by the situation and were saying so in public.

Now we have some poor sod (as they say over here) probably not too bright and maybe mentally ill, on his own or perhaps manipulated by "handlers" to run like Don Quixote into a small FBI office "windmill" with of all things a nail gun! I mean sure, you can kill people with nail guns, but it usually isn't the first weapon of choice for a mass shooter either. It is more the sort of thing that either kills by horrific accident or a mobster or gang getting rid of an already captured "enemy."

The FBI just keeps digging themselves in deeper and deeper - now there was a "Nuclear" element to the papers that were "hidden." What a great, big, scary word to make the public be afraid, very afraid. Make the public think that Trump was someone keeping this information in order to "sell it to Russia" or perhaps like a comic book villain blow up a US City or two with his "hidden knowledge?"

That's a reason to tear through a large home for over nine hours and go through the wife's closet full of clothing.

Lots of Americans (as well as people overseas) are looking at this and they are not reacting with "oh that evil Trump" they are reacting with "The FBI and a judge did WHAT?"

Watch the news for something to take the public's eye of this story coming and as quickly as they think they can "arrange" something because it is one of those stories that just keeps getting worse and worse as time goes by and stuff (like those security tapes) comes out.
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
The FIB has never really accomplished anything other than creating new Timothy McVeighs. I dread to think how many will come out of this and the guilt should be placed firmly on the heads of all members of the FIB, the DOJ and that criminal bastard that stole the White House, joe pedophile biden.

If the FIB were ever any type of crime fighters, they would have arrested that damn pedophile and his crack head son years ago but no, they rather screw up everything they touch than actually enforce laws.

Go to hell fbi, you earned your place at the right hand of the devil.
But, they're proving they are soooo woke! :kk2:
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They might do it the way they got Al Capone.
Yes and no.
They got Capone on tax issues yes, Personal ones.
So as long as Trumps personal taxes are fine (I believe they are, because thats how big business owners do it)
I'm sure his business filings are a web of loop holes just like every other larger business. The IRS could go after the business and possibly the people doing his taxes. Fine the company etc....
He is isolated from that, he don't file them himself.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
They are trippling down hard. The spin is Trump took nuclear files and that is under the espionage act which is TREASON and subject to summary execution. That was the fool saying they would kill Trump.
Right now they are planting nuclear weapons files at his house to investigate and then go the dc jury so they can indict Trump.
I'm telling you all they won't back down and going for the russian treason route with nuclear files "found" at his Florida house.
We can all see how this ends: martial law and a tteason trial for Trump. It is all coming down around our heads depending on how fast garland indicts Trump for nuclear espionage.
TPTP won't have Trump run again even if they destroy everything.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
IF/WHEN THAT trial starts, there will be a LOT of folks from ALL OVER the Country visiting in DC (planning on "VOTING IN PERSON" on the subject of DJT, who have consigned their souls to The Lord, and said their good-byes to their spouses.
They will NOT expect to come home again.

And the ijits thinking this is JUST the sort of thing they WANTED will find they were OH SO wrong about that.
 

stop tyranny

Senior Member
I hope people realize individuals within these corrupt federal law enforcement and justice agencies that did not personally take part in their treasonous actions but still concealed these crimes from the public are as guilty as the individuals who carried out the treasonous acts. The government exists to serve American citizens NOT for American citizens to serve them. Same goes for the everyone in media who has spread government sponsored propaganda knowing it was false.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
Something I'm not quite getting regarding this incident. I worked for the fedgov. They have quadruples of copies of every darn thing they ever create, whatever it was Trump was supposed to have, 'classified' docs (NOT Top Secret, etc.) would be available on a hard drive or 10, if they really wanted them. And why were the 'files' in boxes and not a thumb drive? Something is super wonky about all this-like the FBI wearing backpacks into the house.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
When gauging the Washington and demo
‘read’ I often look at the established media story line. Once the demo’s and their
media allies ‘find’ a story that is scoring in the polls they all fall in line and go into hyper repeat the story mode to beat the opposition down.

When the story is constantly changing and the ‘facts’ being reported are changing they are searching for a story they can then pass to the media. The political problem is for the middle available voters and US position support there is only so many changes and the event or policy becomes a fail.

The problem is this is so big they are like the dog that actually bit into the cars tire only now its moving away. The demo’s are in a what the hell now moment but they and the media will spend all day today and tomorrow attempting to find a story to sell on Sunday.

There will be a full court press on the Sunday shows to salvage another of what will be many more over-reaches.

You can count on Rino’s to surrender just as you can count on radical demo’s to believe so strongly in their own perfection they will keep driving their own moronic idea’s while always confused when reality smashes their ‘brilliant’ plans and schemes.
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
I really believe this was orchestrated as part of a plan to piss off conservatives that are prone to being reactive, much like Jan 6. Get them pissed off enough, they march, armed, on DC. Call out the national guard, no elections, problem solved. It's gonna get worse. They've got a lot of pissing off to do.
They do not understand the the COLD white hot fury they have started.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Word coming from the Trump camp is that all the boxes the FBI took were all packaged and sent by the GSA thats General Services Administration and again packed up and sent by the GSA to Trumps home in Florida.
 

Kathy in FL

TB Fanatic
And now it looks like the feebs committed a serious crime in their search for a crime. Separate thread up. They took boxes of stuff that was executive privilege stuff, and client-lawyer confidentiality stuff. I’m too flipping tired to cross post so keep an eye out if you’re interested.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
I remember listening to Laughin back in 1968 with Lily Tomlin playing the telephone operator skit for ATT. She would answer the phone "one, ringy dingy, two ringy dingy this is ATT, what do you want? After listening a few seconds she would yell" We're ATT, We don't have two care, and slam the phone down.
Yep, the fbi and doj are channeling Laugh In
I also saw where cbs has 3 fbi tv propaganda shows. Sieg Heil!
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
And now it looks like the feebs committed a serious crime in their search for a crime. Separate thread up. They took boxes of stuff that was executive privilege stuff, and client-lawyer confidentiality stuff. I’m too flipping tired to cross post so keep an eye out if you’re interested.
With ANY luck at all, they have completely derailed whatever it was they were trying to do, in so far as Courts of Law are concerned.
 

Craftypatches

Veteran Member
Maybe this was done as a message to Trump and all of us. Trump is a fighter no matter what So maybe it was to the followers. I really don’t know for sure!
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Word coming from the Trump camp is that all the boxes the FBI took were all packaged and sent by the GSA thats General Services Administration and again packed up and sent by the GSA to Trumps home in Florida.
And claims by "Kash" Patel (Former Trump Chief of Staff) were that Trump considered the documents being shipped "unclassified" having done that himself.

Requests by Trump officials to recover "redacted" or continue classified documents from the DOJ went unheeded. DOJ didn't, or wouldn't respond.

Trump DOES have the ability to render ANY document unclassified. Generally the procedure has been to allow others some "say" in the process - a "defense in depth" against releasing anything important. But this more a matter of office policy than actual law.

The DOJ was "setting this up."

Dobbin
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
Folks, y'all need to remember that there ARE Violations of Law*, which punishments include being barred from any elective or appointive government position going forward.
In a perfect world, you are correct. In our society that is tarnished by communism, there is no truth to your statement at all. If so, then Hitlery would be banned from office once they discovered classified docs on her easily hackable server. If the Hunter Biden laptop from Hell were properly investigated, it would no doubt show the Big Guy's involvement here and there, which would mean automatic impeachment and removal of office of Joe.

It's a double standard. As long as the communists are in control of the regime, this double standard will exist and they will find someway to bar Trump from a second term. Their best case outlook is to steal the next election and keep power for forever. Their problem is they are so brazenly incompetent at most anything they do it may not work this time around.
 

bracketquant

Veteran Member
In a perfect world, you are correct. In our society that is tarnished by communism, there is no truth to your statement at all. If so, then Hitlery would be banned from office once they discovered classified docs on her easily hackable server. If the Hunter Biden laptop from Hell were properly investigated, it would no doubt show the Big Guy's involvement here and there, which would mean automatic impeachment and removal of office of Joe.

It's a double standard. As long as the communists are in control of the regime, this double standard will exist and they will find someway to bar Trump from a second term. Their best case outlook is to steal the next election and keep power for forever. Their problem is they are so brazenly incompetent at most anything they do it may not work this time around.
That Biden IS the President tells me who the real incompetents are.
 

Donna_in_OK

Senior Member
"They" are going to push the argument that Russia is using the raid to spread discontent in the country. I briefly saw an article on Fox (but didn't read it) that hinted that was the direction "they" were going to push. They being???? Dems, various random letters, anyone associated with 42 or wife. They'll spin the disaster that way.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Their problem is they are so brazenly incompetent at most anything they do it may not work this time around.
Reports are the Kari Lake Primary Election was HEAVILY HACKED - but she won anyway because of overwhelming support.

"She broke the algorithm" was one right wing commentator's statement.

But that doesn't mean that mere numbers are enough for the MAGA to carry the day - the problem with mere numbers is it makes the subterfuge that much more adept.

Owner comments about locks (my gate particularly) is "Locks only keep the honest people out."

Elections similar. They're supposed to keep the dishonest humans out but like my gate can fail miserably.

Dobbin
 
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