Jonas Parker
Hooligan
This looks like the "Counterfeiters' Full-Employment Plan".
CORONA 'Immunity Cards' To Be Issued To All Americans; Enable CDC To Track COVID-19 Vaxx Status In Database
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155 arty
Veteran Member
I've been thinking of a response...now I don't have to ...Mprepard said it all I think !
Mprepared
Veteran Member
Minimized is supposed to be mind. I have an expander on.
Tex88
Veteran Member
Ein großes Bier und einen doppelten Jägermeister, bitte?
Ah, don't worry about losing the card. You'll need another shot every couple of months anyway.
marsh
On TB every waking moment
I thought this was innovative: (posted previously on the main coronavirus thread)
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/03/1500-stimulus-checks-for-covid-19-shots-how-one-plan-would-work.html
Would you be willing to get a Covid vaccine in exchange for a $1,500 stimulus check? How one bold proposal would work
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I can see them requiring the shots for certain benefits as well. although Biden's Czar purportedly wants to skip anyone over 65 and just "ice-flow" them.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/03/1500-stimulus-checks-for-covid-19-shots-how-one-plan-would-work.html
Would you be willing to get a Covid vaccine in exchange for a $1,500 stimulus check? How one bold proposal would work
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I can see them requiring the shots for certain benefits as well. although Biden's Czar purportedly wants to skip anyone over 65 and just "ice-flow" them.
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
Yep! I will be getting shot, and not with the vaccine needle or any form of it they will try to impose.
Over my dead body!
Mprepared
Veteran Member
I would PAY THEM $1500 to opt me out for all vaccine mandatory nonsense.
SmithJ
Veteran Member
So I guess all of you guys that have such distrust and hate for the government and pharmaceutical companies will be
1) refusing your social security checks
2) refusing your federal retirement
3) throwing away all of your blood pressure and heart medicines (and others)
Waiting......
1) refusing your social security checks
2) refusing your federal retirement
3) throwing away all of your blood pressure and heart medicines (and others)
Waiting......
Exactly why most of us are prepped-up.
BRING IT ON!
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Yes, it takes too, and as I posted in the vaccine thread now even hospitals are starting to worry that health care workers may lose work over side effects and/or "panic" and refuse the second dose.
Another big issue is that even if the vaccine actually works (it may) no one knows for how long, the "immunity" could last 3 years or 3 months; meaning the potential side effects (up to 15 percent of those taking the vaccine) may only be worth it, if the immunity is long-lasting (at least a year or more).
Since even the method used to encourage immunity in people has never been used before (at least in the Maderna and Pfizer vaccines) there is a real concern here.
There are also serious concerns about people returning for their second shot if they feel too terrible from the first one.
PghPanther
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'll reply.............
1) I will never retire...........I'm working until I wake up dead someday......and even then I'll probably get to work but a bit later in the day.
2) see #1..........
3) I have no health issues and take no medication at 66 yrs of age.....see my avatar photo...........I still workout like that......50 yrs pumping iron and counting.
I don't mind the government involved with my life...........I just want to have the final say in what I do when it comes to the health of my body, mind and my life.....
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Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
They’ve had control, as you’ve aptly illustrated many times in other postings.
This IS about a “vaccine”......THE “vaccine”......the “vaccine” to end all further need for “vaccines”.
It is the next and likely final step among those power drunk, demon-possessed mother f*****s who have had control for decades and who will never be satisfied until they, like their father before them, finally control their faithful minions to death.
Groucho has it right.
And that includes some fairy tale “rapture”.
Whutchuh gunna do ?
General question, not directed at you, Doz.
PghPanther
Has No Life - Lives on TB
DazedandConfused
Veteran Member
Yep! ask me again later and you'll get the same answer.
PghPanther
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Please delete this post.......its a duplicate mistake
First, this isn’t the MoTB. Second, Scripture quoting on secular threads isn’t allowed.
FYI
Yes, to all 3. BTW, nothing will change since none apply.
Some of the "Complications" caused by the vaccines in testing were cases of MS in previously healthy test subjects. That is what shut down some studies. No one has been able to track down what happened to these people and how bad the cases are. This is not from some conspiracy anti vax nuts. It is from the companies doing and reporting testing.
Step up and take the vax if you want to, but I will take my chances with the COVID vs a vaccine that can cause MS.
How can these morons (.gov) even be talking about tracing, forced vaccinations, and all of the other crap, when they dont even have one approved to use yet and the first approvals will be "Emergency" approvals that have not been properly evaluated for short term or long term safety. Many medical people that I know have said they will resign before taking this.
Paladin1
"In Omnia Paratus" is more than just a phrase
I know it's not the MoTB, I even said as much. I was referring to the fact that the desire behind this was the same as the desire behind the MoTB, meaning that they both should be treated with the same contempt.
Secondly, all I was doing with the quote was showing how this recent desire for control lines up exactly with the desire for control shown in the MoTB. I wasn't arguing with anyone or trying to beat them over the head with it, just trying to show the origin of both desires.
SmithJ
Veteran Member
The only “morons” talking about “forced vaccinations” are not in the government at this point.
Not saying it won’t happen, but haven’t seen it yet.
Again, this whole thread is based on a vaccine record card consistent with those that have been used for decades.....
Sicario
The Executor
About Those Vaccine ID Cards...
by CHARLES HUGH SMITH
An idea that's simple as an abstraction--vaccine ID cards--turns out to be extremely difficult once real-world operational realities must be dealt with.
Authorities around the world have made it clear that they will do "whatever it takes" to vaccinate their citizenry with one of the first available vaccines. Authoritarian states may mandate universal vaccinations while less authoritarian states will favor a "carrot and stick" approach of offering benefits to the vaccinated and exclusions from employment, education, travel and most of everyday life for those who refuse to be vaccinated.
To identify the vaccinated and unvaccinated, many nations are planning to issue ID cards or "vaccine passports." As an abstraction, this seems straightforward, but if we start digging into the actual operational requirements of this mass ID card issuance and distribution, a number of common-sense issues arise.
Vaccination cards will be issued to everyone getting Covid-19 vaccine, health officials say (CNN)
First and foremost, it's unknown how long the immunity offered by the vaccines will last. It's still early days, so there is conflicting evidence: some claim the vaccines will be longer-lasting than the natural immunity of those who caught the virus and recovered, while other evidence suggests the immunity might decay after six months. Despite claims that natural immunity is long-lasting, a non-trivial number of people who had Covid have been re-infected.
Nobody knows how long either natural or vaccine immunity will last because not enough time has elapsed to collect sufficient data.
Given these intrinsic unknowns, how long will the ID card be valid? It's easy to imagine variations in individual responses such that the vaccines' effectiveness decays more rapidly in 20% of the vaccinated. This variability would introduce tremendous unknowns that no ID card could reflect: is the holder of the card at Month 10 still immune or not?
If the duration of the vaccine's effectiveness is variable, then an ID card could be misleading. In other words, being vaccinated with a variable-duration vaccine tells us nothing about the individual's actual immunity down the road.
Given these unknowns, the vaccinated may need booster shots in the future, and the ID cards would have to be re-issued. The task of keeping track of hundreds of millions of vaccination records, identities and then issuing ID cards is a non-trivial task.
To thwart black-market fake-ID cards, the security measures will have to be equivalent to a driver's license or passport. Have you applied recently for either of these forms of ID? The process is painfully slow. The systems in place to process state drivers' licenses and U.S. passports are already strained, and which agency is prepared to verify the identity of 280 million adult citizens, confirm the validity of their vaccine and then issue ID cards--and then repeat this process in a year?
If the procedures for issuing vaccine ID cards are slapdash due to time constraints--for example, downloading a digital record from the vaccine distributor or a printed card--these will likely be vulnerable to being duplicated or spoofed. Fake vaccine distributors will pop up issuing bogus digital records, hackers might download and sell digital records from trusted sources, and so on.
Then there's the extra burdens being placed on the staff of airlines, cruise lines, etc. to scan these documents and deal with rejected cards. Who will have the legal authority to deal with claims that a rejected card is actually valid? How many smaller establishments simply won't have to staff to do more than glance at the card?
Do authorities have the means to issue hundreds of millions of absolutely secure vaccine ID cards and then monitor all the attempts to find loopholes and weaknesses in the process? If authorities think that strict penalties will limit this activity, they underestimate the difficulty in getting such penalties enforced by overloaded court systems.
In nations with strong traditions of civil liberties, there will be pushback against mandatory vaccinations with essentially untested vaccines and against national databases tying identity to vaccination cards--a situation ripe with potential for abuse.
Authorities don't seem to grasp that many of those hesitating to get vaccinated are not anti-vaxxers; they simply see the vaccine approval process as deeply flawed for common-sense reasons: for example, there is simply not enough data on safety, duration and real-world efficacy.
Authorities are counting on the "carrot" of air travel, cruises and concerts to persuade skeptics to get vaccinated despite their concerns. What authorities don't seem to realize is that a great many people value their health, privacy and agency far more than they crave air travel, cruises or concerts. They will gladly forego all these activities until more reliable data is collected, peer-reviewed and distributed for analysis.
The more draconian the measures designed to pressure people into getting the vaccines, the greater the reluctance of skeptics who see the draconian measures as additional evidence the vaccines are half-measures being forced on the populace as a means of imposing a false assurance that all is well and "normal" will return as soon as the skeptics cave in and get vaccinated.
There's also the possibility that the virus could mutate in ways that moot the vaccines' effectiveness. While this is widely considered unlikely, it's not impossible, either. If a mutated virus arises that evades the vaccine, then what value will the vaccine ID card have?
An idea that's simple as an abstraction--vaccine ID cards--turns out to be extremely difficult once real-world operational realities must be dealt with. The fact is the first vaccines have been rushed to approval with virtually none of the testing demanded of previous vaccines raises common-sense concerns which cannot be dissolved with force or carrots and sticks.
LINK - About Those Vaccine ID Cards...
by CHARLES HUGH SMITH
An idea that's simple as an abstraction--vaccine ID cards--turns out to be extremely difficult once real-world operational realities must be dealt with.
Authorities around the world have made it clear that they will do "whatever it takes" to vaccinate their citizenry with one of the first available vaccines. Authoritarian states may mandate universal vaccinations while less authoritarian states will favor a "carrot and stick" approach of offering benefits to the vaccinated and exclusions from employment, education, travel and most of everyday life for those who refuse to be vaccinated.
To identify the vaccinated and unvaccinated, many nations are planning to issue ID cards or "vaccine passports." As an abstraction, this seems straightforward, but if we start digging into the actual operational requirements of this mass ID card issuance and distribution, a number of common-sense issues arise.
Vaccination cards will be issued to everyone getting Covid-19 vaccine, health officials say (CNN)
First and foremost, it's unknown how long the immunity offered by the vaccines will last. It's still early days, so there is conflicting evidence: some claim the vaccines will be longer-lasting than the natural immunity of those who caught the virus and recovered, while other evidence suggests the immunity might decay after six months. Despite claims that natural immunity is long-lasting, a non-trivial number of people who had Covid have been re-infected.
Nobody knows how long either natural or vaccine immunity will last because not enough time has elapsed to collect sufficient data.
Given these intrinsic unknowns, how long will the ID card be valid? It's easy to imagine variations in individual responses such that the vaccines' effectiveness decays more rapidly in 20% of the vaccinated. This variability would introduce tremendous unknowns that no ID card could reflect: is the holder of the card at Month 10 still immune or not?
If the duration of the vaccine's effectiveness is variable, then an ID card could be misleading. In other words, being vaccinated with a variable-duration vaccine tells us nothing about the individual's actual immunity down the road.
Given these unknowns, the vaccinated may need booster shots in the future, and the ID cards would have to be re-issued. The task of keeping track of hundreds of millions of vaccination records, identities and then issuing ID cards is a non-trivial task.
To thwart black-market fake-ID cards, the security measures will have to be equivalent to a driver's license or passport. Have you applied recently for either of these forms of ID? The process is painfully slow. The systems in place to process state drivers' licenses and U.S. passports are already strained, and which agency is prepared to verify the identity of 280 million adult citizens, confirm the validity of their vaccine and then issue ID cards--and then repeat this process in a year?
If the procedures for issuing vaccine ID cards are slapdash due to time constraints--for example, downloading a digital record from the vaccine distributor or a printed card--these will likely be vulnerable to being duplicated or spoofed. Fake vaccine distributors will pop up issuing bogus digital records, hackers might download and sell digital records from trusted sources, and so on.
Then there's the extra burdens being placed on the staff of airlines, cruise lines, etc. to scan these documents and deal with rejected cards. Who will have the legal authority to deal with claims that a rejected card is actually valid? How many smaller establishments simply won't have to staff to do more than glance at the card?
Do authorities have the means to issue hundreds of millions of absolutely secure vaccine ID cards and then monitor all the attempts to find loopholes and weaknesses in the process? If authorities think that strict penalties will limit this activity, they underestimate the difficulty in getting such penalties enforced by overloaded court systems.
In nations with strong traditions of civil liberties, there will be pushback against mandatory vaccinations with essentially untested vaccines and against national databases tying identity to vaccination cards--a situation ripe with potential for abuse.
Authorities don't seem to grasp that many of those hesitating to get vaccinated are not anti-vaxxers; they simply see the vaccine approval process as deeply flawed for common-sense reasons: for example, there is simply not enough data on safety, duration and real-world efficacy.
Authorities are counting on the "carrot" of air travel, cruises and concerts to persuade skeptics to get vaccinated despite their concerns. What authorities don't seem to realize is that a great many people value their health, privacy and agency far more than they crave air travel, cruises or concerts. They will gladly forego all these activities until more reliable data is collected, peer-reviewed and distributed for analysis.
The more draconian the measures designed to pressure people into getting the vaccines, the greater the reluctance of skeptics who see the draconian measures as additional evidence the vaccines are half-measures being forced on the populace as a means of imposing a false assurance that all is well and "normal" will return as soon as the skeptics cave in and get vaccinated.
There's also the possibility that the virus could mutate in ways that moot the vaccines' effectiveness. While this is widely considered unlikely, it's not impossible, either. If a mutated virus arises that evades the vaccine, then what value will the vaccine ID card have?
An idea that's simple as an abstraction--vaccine ID cards--turns out to be extremely difficult once real-world operational realities must be dealt with. The fact is the first vaccines have been rushed to approval with virtually none of the testing demanded of previous vaccines raises common-sense concerns which cannot be dissolved with force or carrots and sticks.
LINK - About Those Vaccine ID Cards...
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
We can quibble on #1. I paid into it for 55 years.
#2 I don't get federal retirement.
#3 I don't take any
I do distrust the government and Big Pharma
rob0126
Veteran Member
I doubt i will ever see SSI that i was forced to pay into all my working life.
I dont take meds of any kind and wont unless its an emergency item like morphine or novacaine.
rob0126
Veteran Member
I dont know about all that, but I do know that .gov takes their medical marching orders from the cdc.
rob0126
Veteran Member
Ignore it if you like, but I err on the side of caution.
Are you going to continue trying to convince us to look the other way? Whats your agenda?
SmithJ
Veteran Member
What's YOUR agenda? Why are you so anxious to keep people from taking medicine? Are you a Chinese spy? A communist, plant maybe? Or maybe you're a democrat sowing seeds of discontent.
Or maybe we just have different opinions, hmmmm. MAYBE, just maybe, people just like to converse. Hmmm....
SmithJ
Veteran Member
And for the record, I wont be among the first to take the vaccine. Even if it was available to me, I would want to see a wider body of work over a longer time frame to judge reactions before I take it.
I just find the "Karen ree, ree, ree," Over the card (which is nothing more than a reminder that has been used for more than 50 years) HILIARIOUS.
Some of you should really step back and listen to yourselves sometimes.
I just find the "Karen ree, ree, ree," Over the card (which is nothing more than a reminder that has been used for more than 50 years) HILIARIOUS.
Some of you should really step back and listen to yourselves sometimes.
I understand your intent. However, you’ve been here long enough to know the rule and why it was implemented. No excuses.
desertvet2
Veteran Member
Track and trace citizens... But don't worry about illegal immigrants or their diseases... Can't work without proper papers???
Sounds like maybe somebodies should start befriending some illegals to find out where they get their papers made ...no?
Sounds like maybe somebodies should start befriending some illegals to find out where they get their papers made ...no?
Sicario
The Executor
Si Señor.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
The first thing you are doing wrong is comparing apples to oranges. You do know they are different?
2nd your premise as to no one is government is suggesting this.......you left out YET. I suspect that since Biden is going to follow the science and therefor do a mandatory shutdown (something he actually said and is not imagined) he would have no compunction, or be hesitant about doing forced and recorded vaccinations.
The followup being "your papers please" before_________________________________ fill in the blank. By corps and business.
And granted you are right, in that we all have carried around our shot records. However that was in a time, when we didn't think it would be used against us. other than entering school. Mindful that at that time, there was a certain level of trust in both government and pharm.
None of that exists today, and what there was, died on 11/3
SmithJ
Veteran Member
But all we really have to deal with is the "yet"
Sure, something MAY happen in the future, but I'm not going to get worked up over that YET.
The government MAY mandate that monkeys fly out of Dennis's butt and give us all shots, but until that happens, I'm not going to panic.......
SmithJ
Veteran Member
Where does anything say that this card mentioned in the OP has to be carried around in anybodys wallet?