I'm sorry that I can't vote for Bush

[Dennis Olson]

This afternoon when I vote, it will (for the first time ever) be 3rd party. I'll not vote for a single Dem/Rep candidate for ANY office on my ballot. I really wanted to vote for Bush, but cannot bring myself to do so. Regardless of whether or not SKerry wins, Bush has done more harm to the Constitution than any president in my memory. His Gestapo troika (Ass-croft, Rummy and Cheney) have to go. (I keep waiting for the big "Das Fatherland Uber Alles" speech....)

Bush is about as conservative as SKerry. And that is no sh*t. For those of you who THINK Bush is conservative, might I suggest you have your meds adjusted soon. Bush should be fired. SKerry should be president of France.

Therefore, I will cast my vote for Peroutka (ONLY because of that NWO plank in the LP platform). So - today I ask that each of you vote your conscience, and NOT for either of the mainstream candidates, who want nothing more (either of them) than to bleed you dry, either for world conquest or funding the Third World.

You will get the government you vote for - and deserve.

VOTE THIRD PARTY - SAVE AMERICA!!!

 

[Birchwood05]

Good news is one of the two candidates will lose, bad news is one of them will win!
I voted LP this morning.

 

[CygnusXI]

Please...

God Dennis, I really expect differently from you. You're still going on the Bush Nazi bandwagon?? LOL.

Vote 3rd party?

Sure. You will get the Government you deserve also. You can have your hefty ideals, twist perception but reality won't budge. There are only 2 horses in this race with legs... the others are just stumps flailing at the starting line.

Wait for it. Kerry will make Bushes so-called Nazism pale in comparison.

Save America?

We will get what we deserve.. but by defacto sitting this one out, you have only silenced yourself. When/if 3rd parties actually become effective (on a presidential candidate level) then you can start preaching.

 

[PentelPen]

So - today I ask that each of you vote your conscience, and NOT for either of the mainstream candidates

But for some, voting our conscience is voting for one of the mainstream candidates.

 

[Dennis Olson]

That's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Third party candidates can NEVER become effective until people vote for them. But people don't vote for them because they don't think they'll ever be effective. Catch-22, and the Demoplicans win.

Your PoV is the perfect example of a lifetime of conditioning, to the point where it's impossible to even conceive of anything "different".

PP, I can live with that. But it's those that vote for one of them because they think doing otherwise is a wasted vote, that really frosts my giblets. Those people are PRECISELY why we're in the mess we're in. Damned sheep, too afraid to be on the losing side to sponsor effective reformation in our gooberment. And they claim people like ME are the problem....

GAG!

 

[PentelPen]

Wait for it. Kerry will make Bushes so-called Nazism pale in comparison.

That's what most people here said about "Klintooooon" too. We managed to do okay, though.

 

[GILTRIC]

Dennis.....


People will never go back to a restraunt that didn't serve their burger the way they wanted it......but they will continue to let their husband beat them....err I mean they will continue to vote for "their" guy.

I don't understand people and their principles.

 

[CygnusXI]

Look.

You all are the ones pigeonholing me.

There are viable 3rd party candidates and positions, some of which I have supported, and some of which win. My point is that you have to work your way up (rep, sen, council, etc..).

You all want and wish for someone pulling 1% or so to somehow topple the other two parties. Get real man.

You want a 3rd party pres? That's cool. I could go for one also. But maybe you should build a foundation of that party first (sen, reps, councils, etc...) so the candidate has a chance in hell.

Doing it the way you are is a waste. Period.
I recognize that, --you don't.
Seems to me you all are the ones with battered wife syndrome.

 

[CygnusXI]

That's what most people here said about "Klintooooon" too. We managed to do okay, though.

Cept for all those men women and children of Ruby Ridge and Waco I guess.

That was done in a Pre-911 time, by a P****-Whipped man who dared not upset the polls.

Now Kerry is another animal, in another time, with rabid supporters willing to brownshirt for him.

The parallel is not there.

 

[Dennis Olson]

I'm not pigeonholing you at all. You're telling me outright that a vote for a 3rd party candidate is a wasted vote. I tell YOU that your position is what brought our once-great nation to the brink of disaster. YOU "get real, man..."

Doing it the way you are is a waste. Period.
I recognize that, --you don't.
Seems to me you all are the ones with battered wife syndrome.

 

[GILTRIC]

Look.

You all are the ones pigeonholing me.

There are viable 3rd party candidates and positions, some of which I have supported, and some of which win. My point is that you have to work your way up (rep, sen, council, etc..).

You all want and wish for someone pulling 1% or so to somehow topple the other two parties. Get real man.

You want a 3rd party pres? That's cool. I could go for one also. But maybe you should build a foundation of that party first (sen, reps, councils, etc...) so the candidate has a chance in hell.

Doing it the way you are is a waste. Period.
I recognize that, --you don't.
Seems to me you all are the ones with battered wife syndrome.

Death by Zimbabwe rape squad or Sharia flogging, chopping, acid throwing?

Maybe you would like ice cream instead.....I picked the ice cream.

Maybe death by Bunga Bunga is more up your alley.....pardon the pun

 

[freebyrd]

did my part for paroutka today as well dennis, good job
now if the rest of you would get outside the box we'd be better off
freebyrd

 

[Warren Bone]

When Perot ran for president I voted for him because I thought he and his party might just have a chance at winning...took a big chunk of the vote as I recall, sending a message but not winning anything.

(I worked for Ross so felt like I knew where he was coming from.)

Some day perhaps we'll have a real third party to consider...but not now.

warren.

 

[CygnusXI]

You're telling me outright that a vote for a 3rd party candidate is a wasted vote.

No I'm not.
Be clear.

I'm saying a 3rd party vote for a candidate who has 1% or so is a wasted vote.

There is a difference.

I voted for Jesse Ventura here in MN and he won. I didn't like either choice during that race, so I voted 3rd party. Thing is, you have to be realistic. If you want to feel good about yourself, fine, but the rest of us actually have to make a decision that has a chance of actually happening.

Clever Gil.
Broken metaphor, but clever.
(I.E. Doesn't matter what YOU voted for when your at 1%)

 

[penumbra]

Dennis...

Vote with your conscience, that's all that matters! And this country sure as hell wasn't started by a bunch of Republicans and Democrats!

 

[Dennis Olson]

Sorry dude. Although I can understand your position, it's IMO the same lock-step box-think that will destroy this country.

You cannot make changes until the "mainstream parties" see a real threat. They'll never see such a threat as long as people with your mindset control the elections. All I see in your position is the "political meme"....

 

[Aleph Null]

Don't be sorry, Dennis. He's earned your non-vote, and most people who take an objective look at the last four years will come to the same conclusion.

-A0-

 

[A.T.Hagan]

Cept for all those men women and children of Ruby Ridge and Waco I guess.

That was done in a Pre-911 time, by a P****-Whipped man who dared not upset the polls.

Now Kerry is another animal, in another time, with rabid supporters willing to brownshirt for him.

The parallel is not there.

Except that Ruby Ridge was fully a Bush Sr. Republican show and Waco planned and set up under the Bush Sr Republicans then initiated and finished under the Clintonistas during the very first days of their tenure.

The current Republican leadership are not our friends and need to be put out to pasture so the Republican party can get back to what it's supposed to be.

.....Alan.

 

[RobinYyes]

Except that Ruby Ridge was fully a Bush Sr. Republican show and Waco planned and set up under the Bush Sr Republicans then initiated and finished under the Clintonistas during the very first days of their tenure.

The current Republican leadership are not our friends and need to be put out to pasture so the Republican party can get back to what it's supposed to be.

.....Alan.

Can you say Janet Reno? I knew you could.

 

[bigwavedave]

You want a 3rd party pres? That's cool. I could go for one also. But maybe you should build a foundation of that party first (sen, reps, councils, etc...) so the candidate has a chance in hell.

i agree 100%. a third party vote at this juncture is nothing more than a protest vote, which is OK, but it won't likely change anything. will it induce said third parties to begin to build something? we'll see.

 

[A.T.Hagan]

Can you say Janet Reno? I knew you could.

Go and look at the DATES. When did Reno take her office? When did Waco go down?

Who did the planning and when were those big chiefs appointed?

I have no love for Reno but she mostly inherited that fiasco from a Republican administration. It was nearly all Bush Sr and Reagan appointees running the show.

Your buddies, the Republicans.

.....Alan.

 

[Green Co.]

The current Republican leadership are not our friends and need to be put out to pasture so the Republican party can get back to what it's supposed to be.

.....Alan.

Which is exactly the reason I voted third party this am...

 

[timbo]

Do you really want a change? Then I suggest you get off your arse right now,not in four years and start building a viable 3rd party,not some candidate that pops up every four years and runs for prez.

Go build something that will make a difference in all the govt not just the presidency.
Support third party senators and representatives.

That is how the main parties got to the power they are now. They have an infrastructure that reaches to the whole USA and are there constantly,not just every 4 years for a couple of months.

As long as these johnny-come-latelys maintain this kind of organization,it dont mean squat to have this type of voting.

Dont like the two main parties? Fine. Build a third party,but all of it.

Neither party really gives a rip,and in the end it dont hurt them one iota.

Perot was the last viable 3rd party candidate......and where are we today?

He aint around and we still only have two parties.

 

[dieseltrooper]

Good for you,Dennis! I wish OK had less restricitve ballot laws so I would have had some 3rd choice.

 

[milkydoo]

(ONLY because of that NWO plank in the LP platform).

Hmmm....enlighten me on this one, will ya'?

 

[A.T.Hagan]

Yep, we really want a change.

And if Bush loses we stand a good chance of getting one in the Republican party when the neocons are driven out.

You're older than me, Timbo. Haven't you seen by now that any time a third party looks like they are on to something one or the other major parties will co-opt the idea?

There isn't any other way to get the Republican party to change because so long as the rank and file are willing to be led by the nose they don't have to change.

It's fear that forces them to change. Fear of losing control, of losing members, of becoming irrelevant.

The Libertarians, Constitution Party, Greens and so on will take an occasional local, county or state office - the Libertarians currently hold 580 public offices http://www.lp.org/organization/officials.php - but it's the major parties that will maintain a death grip on the Presidency, Senate, and the House.

Many of us want to force change in the only way that is left to us. Maybe this time it will happen.

.....Alan.

 

[timbo]

Alan,you may be right. As long as there is no concerted effort for third party candidates there will be nothing but an annoying fly buzzing around the Dems and Repubs heads.

I dont want the alternative of wresting power........but if it be....then lets go for it.

 

[A.T.Hagan]

Occasionally a stinging fly can get a donkey to kicking or a mouse cause an elephant to bolt.

.....Alan.

 

[soccerdad3]

Because I see few differences between Bush and Kerry, I think a vote for either of them is a wasted vote. I had to write him in, but I voted for Peroutka. Not because I think he will win, but because its the only vote I could make that might mean something. If enough people vote third party, someone will eventually notice us!
Hopefully, the Constitution Party can make some noise in state and local elections in the coming years. This is not going to be easy to get our country out of the hole its in.

 

[wrs]

Work your way up like Bush?

My point is that you have to work your way up

Sure he got an easy spot in the national guard, then later was given a CEO spot for a company that he didn't have any success with, then became a 1% partner in a baseball team that was sold for a huge profit and then was put into the job of governor of Texas. After being governor of Texas for six years he became President of the US. Yes GWB really worked hard to become president of the US, you bet...................

From nobody to president in 6 years and back to nobody in 4 I hope.

 

[Ravekid]

Wait for it. Kerry will make Bushes so-called Nazism pale in comparison.

As bad as Clinton was, he never had the FBI send letters to libraries talking about how they can now magically demand info on patrons. Bush is horrible. He, along with Clinton, along with Bush 1, continue to do nothing about our borders. We are being invaded and I have seen first hand the harm it has done to this country. I work in the area of the county/state hospital. More and more hispanics are now using the city/county ER as their main source of doctor care. The negative effect of this has been awful.

I voted LP. Had I lived in a swing state, I would have voted Bush....even though I would have hated it. I voted Republican for our Governors race because it is going to be so close and the Dems have had power for too long. The Republican is not much better. An insider trader to the core. However, I love seeing heads roll in government.

Actually, I wouldn't mind a Kerry win. Heads will roll in DC. It might be a good thing. Not only that, with a strong Republican congress....Kerry will hit brick wall after brick wall.

 

[BackToTheFuture]

Good for you Dennis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This afternoon when I vote, it will (for the first time ever) be 3rd party. I'll not vote for a single Dem/Rep candidate for ANY office on my ballot. I really wanted to vote for Bush, but cannot bring myself to do so. Regardless of whether or not SKerry wins, Bush has done more harm to the Constitution than any president in my memory. His Gestapo troika (Ass-croft, Rummy and Cheney) have to go. (I keep waiting for the big "Das Fatherland Uber Alles" speech....)

Bush is about as conservative as SKerry. And that is no sh*t. For those of you who THINK Bush is conservative, might I suggest you have your meds adjusted soon. Bush should be fired. SKerry should be president of France.

Therefore, I will cast my vote for Peroutka (ONLY because of that NWO plank in the LP platform). So - today I ask that each of you vote your conscience, and NOT for either of the mainstream candidates, who want nothing more (either of them) than to bleed you dry, either for world conquest or funding the Third World.

You will get the government you vote for - and deserve.

VOTE THIRD PARTY - SAVE AMERICA!!!

 

[sudaphed]

Hmmm....enlighten me on this one, will ya'?

I was thinking the same thing. What NWO plank Dennis?

 

[Rob]

It's a catch 22. The only way a third party canidate has a chance is if the money is equal across the board. Our gov. and lobbies will never let that happen until the people force the issue.
Hey, we can't even get all the people in this country to vote!
Standard fare throughout history. Money and power have ruined every empire. Ours is no different. What's worse is that it's based on capitalism and that means money controls from the start.
This country is an oligarchy run by the few , the wealthy. What did any of you expect, a choice?
Even if this was a democracy who ever said the majority makes the best decisions. Majorities can make as terrible decisions as individuals. They just use more people to do it and the group can be as easily misled as the individual.

 

[susie0884]

Dennis: I did the same thing (Well, I went LP) for the same reasons. I don't dislike Bush particularly, but I hate the philosophy of those who surround him, and am astounded at what has happened in these last 4 years. I remember somebody saying (someone I considered a nutcake) 4 years ago that those who would destroy the constitution and take away our rights really PREFERRED Bush, because they felt they could get their agenda across far better with him in office than they could with Gore.

The reason being that those who would NEVER let that kind of thing happen if Gore was in the White House wouldn't be vigilant with Bush in the WH, because he was a "Christian," and a "Conservative."

I laughed about it at the time, but I'm not laughing now.

 

[Ozarkian]

I voted 3rd party. At least I am a free man for a few more months and still have the right to make that choice right now. I really wonder what freedoms we will have after the next four years. I might not be free enough to vote for anything by then with the way the stupid Repubs and Dems are going these days. There has became no difference. Just a slower way for one of getting us where they want us. Both parties make me want to puke.
Ozarkian

 

[Warthog]

Dennis. It is your right to vote for who ever you want. I will not vote for any candidate that will sign or has signed any documents with the U.N. so you know I didn't vote for Bush or Kerry.

 

[ainitfunny]

Well, if the presidency is bestowed upon Mr. Bush(with electronic voting there is little or no hard evidence of who the people actually voted for or elected) then I anticipate a very grim future for America. You would do well to enhance your survivalist preps.

IF THE WORLD BANK, IMF AND OTHER FINANCIAL INTERESTS START TREATING A BANKRUPT AMERICA LIKE THEY ARE NOW TREATING OTHER BANKRUPT NATIONS (LIKE BOLIVIA) YOU WILL LEARN THE MEANING OF AUSTERITY WHEN YOU TAKE A PAY CUT FROM YOUR $2000 A MONTH JOB BUT STILL FEEL LUCKY BECAUSE YOU CAN PAY THE NEW $500 A MONTH WATER BILL THE IMF IMPOSES ON YOUR FAMILY. 22% of a mans monthly wage, 27% of a womans monthly wage for WATER!!!

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IMPOSING "AUSTERITY" MEASURES MEANS!!!

They order large percentages of the best paid government workers to be FIRED and the rest to accept pay cuts, severance of benefits and retirement. They bust unions. They cut off and slash checks to the elderly and disabled. They cease service to unprofitable and remote areas(postal, electric, phone, gas water etc.)

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IMPOSING "AUSTERITY" MEASURES MEANS!!!

They sell off government property to international companies to start exactiing high fees, tolls and other tribute from the citizens to pay foreigners to use their own nations resources. You cannot get a loan to buy a car, house or anything else. Teachers, scientists, will have pay and bennies ordered to be slashed.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IMPOSING "AUSTERITY" MEASURES MEANS!!!

Bank accounts will be frozen, your savings will not be available for you to withdraw for YEARS when you need it most! The value of the dollar will drop, and the price of everything will skyrocket, BUT YOUR WAGE WILL BE FROZEN BY LAW, your electric bill will go up by 400% immediately along with every other utility and service you have come to expect.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IMPOSING "AUSTERITY" MEASURES MEANS!!!

IT IS SO BAD THAT AMERICA AND IT'S NEWS REPORTERS "LOOK AWAY" AND CEASE MOST NEWS COVERAGE FROM NATIONS AND PEOPLES UPON WHOM IT IS IMPOSED!

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IMPOSING "AUSTERITY" MEASURES MEANS!!!

I see a horrible, horrible future looming ahead we rush pell mell to a violent, hard scrabble survival of the fittest, with a government ever more repressive and brutal to contain the coast to coast mixture of daily foreign terrorist attacks, public rioting, Massive unemployment without benefits, and utter official disregard for the human suffering and death new public policies and economic measures will be causing.

There will be safety nowhere. Neither our allies nor our own government will shed a tear for, or help us. The worst of us will sell his soul to eat and will seek to work for the government and will do absolutely any abominal thing to keep that job.

WAR IT WILL BE, WAR EVERYWHERE.
God help us.
You WILL come to KNOW what AUSTERITY means. You will know what it SMELLS like. You will know what it looks like. You will know what it TASTES like. You will know what AUSTERITY offers. You will know what AUSTERITY threatens. You will know how much it AUSTERITY weighs. You will know how long AUSTERITY works you. You will know how cruelly AUSTERITY deals with people. You will come to know want of every description and an intimate understanding of the word AUSTERITY. You will never again ignore that word and will make sure your children and children's children BEWARE the bringers of AUSTERITY.

 

[old bear]

I also voted for Paroutka and the Constitution. IMHO Bush IS a Nazi and is taking the US down the same path that Hitler took Germany, and the end results will be the same. Please remember that in the beginning Germany, just like the US today, had a unstoppable military force too. Germany invaded and conquered weaker nations, until the world united against them and brought them down. Bush has done more damage to the US Constituion than any President since the Civil war. Just think what he might be able to do now that he does not have to worry about being popular. Maybe so. Maybe a vote for a third party IS throwing away my vote right now, but throwing it away was/is better than voting for either of the two main candidates. If I had to vote for one of them, I would have voted for Kerry, because I would not vote for Bush under any circumstance. Now I just pray and hope that America can survive 4 more years of Bush, because it sure looks like we are stuck with him.

 

[Rob]

I can't begin to imagine the damage to this country over the next four years with Bush.
Put on your seat belts we're in for a very bumpy ride and yes, there are significant parallels between Bush and Hitler.
Think those things can't happen here? We already have one genocide under our belt as much as we don’t like to talk about it and the paradox is that we justified it with ‘christianity’ and called it Manifest Destiny.