ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
Did you forget to include WHERE in the USA all this description pertains to or are we running a game to side track us into googling all about "state of Jefferson?"
PREP If you were going to move out West, where would you live and why?
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Did you forget to include WHERE in the USA all this description pertains to or are we running a game to side track us into googling all about "state of Jefferson?"
marsh
On TB every waking moment
Sorry - The state of Jefferson is far N. CA and S. OR. It was named so just before Pearl Harbor when both areas wanted to separate from their respective states and form a new one. The flag is a gold pan with two XX- the double cross. This symbolizes the way both areas are treated by their liberal state legislators. Originally, I believe the issue was roads.
rodeorector
Global Moderator
If I had to leave Texas and move out west, it would be Maui.
Border guard
Inactive
Wyoming or northern Colorado in the mountains, near water. A lot of game and fresh water for when TSHTF. - BG
Jeff Allen
Producer
Interesting thread....DW and I are planning on leaving the "hill country of S. Indiana" after that horrible 4th amendment ruling...even if its overturned, we see the handwriting on the wall with an intrusive Police State. But....truth be told, we have been considering this for about ten years already anyway....
So, we've looked around Worland WY but it appears pretty dry for the most part...we plan on taking a driving trip next spring to SW Montana, ID and WY. Those are the 3 states we are considering.
WY has the lowest taxes of any state. See this chart for the ugly reality... http://retirementliving.com/tax_burden_3fam_2009.pdf
WY also has great wind resources in area's...
We will be living FAR from the grid, not necessarily because we are "anti social", but rather, because thats where the cheap land is. Wind is CHEAP...hell, practially free compared to Solar, LOL, well, not with a self erecting tower, and I aint climing a tower for annual maint, or hiring a mega bucks crane either.
We've also done some research around the Green River area (mega dry it seems, but cheap!)
It seems anywhere you can actually SEE the Tetons, you better be a MULTI millionaire. That could change I guess as the economy continues its circular swirl around the inevitable drain....but sure looks pretty from what I can tell.
I'm heavily leaning towards foothills type area, with wood for heat. Negatives are more snow (no problem...we have equipment to deal mightily with snow, LOL) but, if too steep, that would limit my ability to get to potential customers in the winter.
Speaking of which, all in life will be paid for before we move, including our new property and the small monolithic dome we will build on it. Since we will grow most of our own food, our expenses will be minimal...which means we need very little income. A day or two a month for me will get us by without problem once the kids are gone.
Any thoughts ye residents of mentioned areas? We will work any suggestions into our "route" next spring assuming the recomendations are in those 3 states.
States that are predominately communist, er, sorry, "liberal"...cannot be on our list. Such as: Co, Or, Wa, Ca..... voting with our feet, lol.
J
So, we've looked around Worland WY but it appears pretty dry for the most part...we plan on taking a driving trip next spring to SW Montana, ID and WY. Those are the 3 states we are considering.
WY has the lowest taxes of any state. See this chart for the ugly reality... http://retirementliving.com/tax_burden_3fam_2009.pdf
WY also has great wind resources in area's...
We will be living FAR from the grid, not necessarily because we are "anti social", but rather, because thats where the cheap land is. Wind is CHEAP...hell, practially free compared to Solar, LOL, well, not with a self erecting tower, and I aint climing a tower for annual maint, or hiring a mega bucks crane either.
We've also done some research around the Green River area (mega dry it seems, but cheap!)
It seems anywhere you can actually SEE the Tetons, you better be a MULTI millionaire. That could change I guess as the economy continues its circular swirl around the inevitable drain....but sure looks pretty from what I can tell.
I'm heavily leaning towards foothills type area, with wood for heat. Negatives are more snow (no problem...we have equipment to deal mightily with snow, LOL) but, if too steep, that would limit my ability to get to potential customers in the winter.
Speaking of which, all in life will be paid for before we move, including our new property and the small monolithic dome we will build on it. Since we will grow most of our own food, our expenses will be minimal...which means we need very little income. A day or two a month for me will get us by without problem once the kids are gone.
Any thoughts ye residents of mentioned areas? We will work any suggestions into our "route" next spring assuming the recomendations are in those 3 states.
States that are predominately communist, er, sorry, "liberal"...cannot be on our list. Such as: Co, Or, Wa, Ca..... voting with our feet, lol.
J
Spooky
Contributing Member
Yep a lot of people do that... however it's illegal to stay more than 14 days but many people do. Most rangers will only write you a warning and tell you to move. There are SOO MANY places to move to every 14 days that its not a problem. The Prescott National Forest and Coconino NF is HUGE! Just be aware AZ charges property tax on your vehicle & RV... If you live in an older RV and have an older truck its pretty cheap... but we have a 2011 Travel trailer and a 2010 F-150 and they nailed us good ($600) for plates/registration, BUT every year forth it will decrease by 16% until it hits some low magic number.
West
Senior
If we was going to do it again, the Pan handle of Texas or Oklahoma. I would use this area as my search boarders....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer
Then find the best soil in that AO on a south sloping hill with the ability to have two ponds, one above the home and one below, with a good septic system below the lower pond.
Two wind pumps and a turbine. With a small hydro generator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer
Then find the best soil in that AO on a south sloping hill with the ability to have two ponds, one above the home and one below, with a good septic system below the lower pond.
Two wind pumps and a turbine. With a small hydro generator.
Bad Hand
Veteran Member
The Wyoming wind gauge is a log chain nailed to the top of a fence post, when it is standing out straight it is a breeze, when it starts snapping links off the end the wind is blowing. One other thing about Wyoming the snow never melts there it just blows around until it is worn out. If you like wind then Wyoming is the place to live I am not kidding I have lived there and trapped there and the wind blows almost constantly. Other than that is is a good state as far as laws and taxes go and there is lots of work in the oil and gas fields.
nharrold
Deceased
If someone's considering moving west, that implies that they are likely coming from the east. Given that, my advice would be for them not to make the move. Nothing out here but bears, cougars, coyotes, and wild rural dwellers with guns who don't like liberals. Of course, there's always California...
Oilpatch Hand
3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
Alpine is a cool little town, but it is a desert climate. They don't get much rain there. If it's wetter in Alpine than wherever you're living now, you must call the Sahara Desert home.
dieseltrooper
Inactive
dieseltrooper
Inactive
The author of "Nuclear War Survival Skills" retired in Grand Junction, didn't he?
dieseltrooper
Inactive
rmomaha
The Wise Man Prepares
I can transfer with my job to Arizona and that may be where I am heading. The older I get the more I don't like the weather here in Omaha. Cold in the winter and hot and humid in the summer. If the world stays together, I plan on going to Panama or Costa Rica later on.
Fred's Horseradish
Membership Revoked
The Pale Horse: remember that appeared in Egypt recently.
fairbanksb
Freedom Isn't Free
Not sure about growing things because never tried but we lived in the Mojave Desert when I was stationed at Edward AFB in CA. We were there for 3 years and I really loved it. Hot of course but little to no humidity but temp drop dramatically at night.
How about Greenlee county or better yet Colorado City...
LOL I don't think anyone caught that reference.
There was a very long and very heated discussion about the recent events that took place there. But most won't make the connection.
My husbands parents along with many of his siblings live or have lived in that area.
Before your mind starts wondering about if we subscribe to the local customs the answer is no.
PghPanther
Has No Life - Lives on TB
So true..........
PghPanther
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Deiseltrooper...............is that a roadhouse strat I see with tex pups on it for your avatar???
I made my move two years ago from a small homestead in upstate NY to a smaller one in southern CA. This location was not my first choice, but it is where my adult children settled and I am getting up there in years and wanted to be near them.
On the plus side, I haven't had to walk or drive on a flake of snow, but can still see some on the nearby mountain tops. The down side is very hot summers - you know, "a dry heat"! I did experience culture shock, but am getting over it.
This is an excellent location for wind and/or solar power. People keep all kinds of livestock and there are large dairy and poultry operations, as well as many acres of agricultural fields. Horses are almost as common as dogs - my nearest neighbor has seven!
On the plus side, I haven't had to walk or drive on a flake of snow, but can still see some on the nearby mountain tops. The down side is very hot summers - you know, "a dry heat"! I did experience culture shock, but am getting over it.
This is an excellent location for wind and/or solar power. People keep all kinds of livestock and there are large dairy and poultry operations, as well as many acres of agricultural fields. Horses are almost as common as dogs - my nearest neighbor has seven!
dieseltrooper
Inactive
I wish! Like I need any more guitars,lol. It's a pic of a Kenny Wayne Shepherd signature Strat. I have the white version. It's in this "family" pic...
From left to right on the couch: Squier '51 (my Tink project), Switch Innovo III signature model, my first Squier '51, Squier Classic Vibe 50s Strat. On the floor: Squier SE (DIY KWS Strat project), a Squier Tele Standard (Rolling Rock promo model) that I just traded my acoustic for this week, and the KWS Strat.
I had been scoping for a used KWS for a while with no luck and took the Squier SE that I scored from CL for $25, loaded it up with tuners/hardware from GFS, a Warmoth fatback neck, and pups wound to KWS spec by John at Benson Custom. 2 weeks after I finished it, I found the white one in Ft Worth for $400 w/tweed hardcase. John Benson knows his pups and I can't hear any tone difference between the two.
The amp is a Fender Mustang II. The first modeling amp I've heard that can give you a genuine sounding tube amp tone. My wife likes the headphone jack...
mcchrystal
Inactive
Utah only. But knowing what I now know about the West, I'd probably stay in the middle of the country, or perhaps Texas.
-Steve in Burbank
-Steve in Burbank
Ravekid
Veteran Member
On my two week trip out west (from Indiana), I was able to visit Colorado (Denver, Colorado Springs area), S. Dakota (Badlands, Black Hills area), Montana (Drove through Montana, staying one night in Billings, then going up to Glacier), and drove all through Wyoming (Stopped off in Cheyenne for lunch, stopped in Gillette for lunch after visiting Devil's Tower, drove through the entire state from Grand Teton to Denver).
I will say this, every state is governed by humans, and as such, your freedoms are only what the local elected "leaders" say they are at any given time. I would bet that every state "out west" has some sort of "law" that allows the governor or various town managers/mayors, to invoke some sort of martial law. I was absolutely shocked that Montana has a statewide smoking ban. For a state that one thinks is heavy on individual freedom and choice, it was pretty clear Montana is still nothing more than a Democracy ran by the majority. Just because the majority is pro-gun doesn't necessarily mean they are pro-individual freedom.
While the entire area is nice, the one issue I have is that of heat during winter and medical care.
All the areas I visited can get brutally cold in the winter. Plus, they can get a lot of snow. Everyone figures that answer to this issue is stocking enough food and having a wood stove. Wood stoves eat wood, especially when used as the only heating source. While these areas are rural, there are still people in the area. If something happened on a nationwide scale, and you could get propane or heating fuel for your home, you would definitely need a source of good hardwood to be able to survive the winter months. The thing is, there is a lot of what appears to be pine type trees, which aren't good for burning (from what I hear). So buying land with a good source of hardwoods is a must. But remember, if things go to hell, not only will you need to take watch to protect your home, you will need to take watch to protect your wood, and your lot for sure. In this aspect, if one has the funds and knowledge, Wyoming makes sense because of the wind. Get a basic electric heater, or baseboard heaters, and put up some solar and smaller scale windmills on your property. Of course these may have ice issues, so you would still need a good amount of wood as a back-up. If you can get the wood issue taken care of (I would say a very large barn, filled with enough wood to last at least two winters, you would be good to go...that would likely be enough time to allow this country to "reset" in the urban areas, then normalcy would resume), then you would be OK.
From what I can find there are no Level 1 trauma centers at all in Idaho, Montana, N. Dakota, S. Dakota, or Wyoming. Close level 1 trauma centers are in Ft. Collins, CO. and Salt Lake City, UT.
With that being said, here are my thoughts:
Mid-sized metro areas I visited:
-Billings: Not too bad of a town. Large enough to provide decent shopping, places to eat. Had an industrial feel in some aspects. I have heard about a "smell," but didn't smell anything when I was there.
-Rapid City: I really like Rapid City. The entire area seems pretty nice. Spearfish is a smaller town about 40 mins or so away on the interstate.
-Cheyenne: Cheyenne was just a small scale city. I read there isn't that much there. I like the area around the Sam's Club and Wendy's, looked a little new than the other sections of town (this was on the north end).
-Kalispell: Similar in size to Cheyenne and Rapid City, but a very nice area in the mountains.
All the above cities are decent places. Rapid City and Billings (metro areas) are the larger of the four.
Some other mid-sized cities in this area are:
-Ft. Collins, CO. This is about 50 miles south of Cheyenne. In fact, there are people that want to live in Wyoming, but commute to Ft. Collins for work. Ft. Collins is similar in size to Billings, MT.
If one needed a larger population center, I would avoid Denver. Denver is too much like other older, larger American cities, with a decent enough sized lower-income population to cause problems if things collapse. Colorado Springs seemed nice, at least the areas where we drove around. There is a military presence in Colorado Springs, which could be good in some ways, bad in others.
Three other larger metro areas are the greater Boise, ID area, the Salt Lake City, UT area, and the Spokane, Wash. area. Never been to any of these places, but the info available on-line makes them appear to be decent places.
Note: All of the above areas are experiencing decent growth. One thing that really sticks out is that for most people, in order to relocate, one likely has money and/or a stable job lined up. I visited the area in 2007, and housing was crazy back then, thought not as crazy as other parts of the country. Anything near the Grand Tetons or Yellowstone was nuts: $1M for some properties. A few months back I looked at properties in Whitefish and Columbia Falls, MT. Housing prices have dropped, significantly. Newer, log cabin type places still are somewhat pricy, but there are older homes that can be had for decent prices.
I will say this, every state is governed by humans, and as such, your freedoms are only what the local elected "leaders" say they are at any given time. I would bet that every state "out west" has some sort of "law" that allows the governor or various town managers/mayors, to invoke some sort of martial law. I was absolutely shocked that Montana has a statewide smoking ban. For a state that one thinks is heavy on individual freedom and choice, it was pretty clear Montana is still nothing more than a Democracy ran by the majority. Just because the majority is pro-gun doesn't necessarily mean they are pro-individual freedom.
While the entire area is nice, the one issue I have is that of heat during winter and medical care.
All the areas I visited can get brutally cold in the winter. Plus, they can get a lot of snow. Everyone figures that answer to this issue is stocking enough food and having a wood stove. Wood stoves eat wood, especially when used as the only heating source. While these areas are rural, there are still people in the area. If something happened on a nationwide scale, and you could get propane or heating fuel for your home, you would definitely need a source of good hardwood to be able to survive the winter months. The thing is, there is a lot of what appears to be pine type trees, which aren't good for burning (from what I hear). So buying land with a good source of hardwoods is a must. But remember, if things go to hell, not only will you need to take watch to protect your home, you will need to take watch to protect your wood, and your lot for sure. In this aspect, if one has the funds and knowledge, Wyoming makes sense because of the wind. Get a basic electric heater, or baseboard heaters, and put up some solar and smaller scale windmills on your property. Of course these may have ice issues, so you would still need a good amount of wood as a back-up. If you can get the wood issue taken care of (I would say a very large barn, filled with enough wood to last at least two winters, you would be good to go...that would likely be enough time to allow this country to "reset" in the urban areas, then normalcy would resume), then you would be OK.
From what I can find there are no Level 1 trauma centers at all in Idaho, Montana, N. Dakota, S. Dakota, or Wyoming. Close level 1 trauma centers are in Ft. Collins, CO. and Salt Lake City, UT.
With that being said, here are my thoughts:
Mid-sized metro areas I visited:
-Billings: Not too bad of a town. Large enough to provide decent shopping, places to eat. Had an industrial feel in some aspects. I have heard about a "smell," but didn't smell anything when I was there.
-Rapid City: I really like Rapid City. The entire area seems pretty nice. Spearfish is a smaller town about 40 mins or so away on the interstate.
-Cheyenne: Cheyenne was just a small scale city. I read there isn't that much there. I like the area around the Sam's Club and Wendy's, looked a little new than the other sections of town (this was on the north end).
-Kalispell: Similar in size to Cheyenne and Rapid City, but a very nice area in the mountains.
All the above cities are decent places. Rapid City and Billings (metro areas) are the larger of the four.
Some other mid-sized cities in this area are:
-Ft. Collins, CO. This is about 50 miles south of Cheyenne. In fact, there are people that want to live in Wyoming, but commute to Ft. Collins for work. Ft. Collins is similar in size to Billings, MT.
If one needed a larger population center, I would avoid Denver. Denver is too much like other older, larger American cities, with a decent enough sized lower-income population to cause problems if things collapse. Colorado Springs seemed nice, at least the areas where we drove around. There is a military presence in Colorado Springs, which could be good in some ways, bad in others.
Three other larger metro areas are the greater Boise, ID area, the Salt Lake City, UT area, and the Spokane, Wash. area. Never been to any of these places, but the info available on-line makes them appear to be decent places.
Note: All of the above areas are experiencing decent growth. One thing that really sticks out is that for most people, in order to relocate, one likely has money and/or a stable job lined up. I visited the area in 2007, and housing was crazy back then, thought not as crazy as other parts of the country. Anything near the Grand Tetons or Yellowstone was nuts: $1M for some properties. A few months back I looked at properties in Whitefish and Columbia Falls, MT. Housing prices have dropped, significantly. Newer, log cabin type places still are somewhat pricy, but there are older homes that can be had for decent prices.
Jeff Allen
Producer
Thanks RK, great review!
Heating the house is a prime consideration of mine. The running plan is to buy land far far far from the grid, hopfully 5 miles or so. That makes the land cheap, and gives us the isolation we want. We will go completely off grid with the exception of satelite internet...as I can't imagine choosing to not have internet, LOL....plus, I doubt cell service will work, so I have to have some way to communicate with the very few customers I would hunt down.
So, with regards to heating the home, we will build a Monolithic Dome. They are the most energy efficient housing known to man from what I've been able to deduce. Instead of the 3 cords of wood a year our current 4800 sq ft hog eats in S. IN I'm estimating maybe a couple of Ricks of wood in a 1,500 sq ft dome with built in greenhouse so we can eat year round. Maybe less wood, or even none, if we are in a very active wind area. But, we cannot live where there are no trees...Wyoming and Montanna have vast tracks of plains/desert, and I have no desire to homestead there....no backup heating source is inviting disaster IMO.
I can't imagine why I'd want to be near a metro area...YUK... Once our home is built, as in all the capital equipment is in place and certian high risk failures are backed up with spares, the only thing I would "need" from town is a couple thousand gallons of propane and diesel fuel, LOL...and its been my experience, that heavy equipment/trucks are prolific in the middle of nowhere so the stuff I REALLY need will not be hard to get...I never have figured out what cities offer people?? The misery of living near other idiots that have to be told to not smoke around others? I don't know...politicians maybe?
Hopefully others with experience will chime in on this topic...We are planning a drive through visit next May.
J
Heating the house is a prime consideration of mine. The running plan is to buy land far far far from the grid, hopfully 5 miles or so. That makes the land cheap, and gives us the isolation we want. We will go completely off grid with the exception of satelite internet...as I can't imagine choosing to not have internet, LOL....plus, I doubt cell service will work, so I have to have some way to communicate with the very few customers I would hunt down.
So, with regards to heating the home, we will build a Monolithic Dome. They are the most energy efficient housing known to man from what I've been able to deduce. Instead of the 3 cords of wood a year our current 4800 sq ft hog eats in S. IN I'm estimating maybe a couple of Ricks of wood in a 1,500 sq ft dome with built in greenhouse so we can eat year round. Maybe less wood, or even none, if we are in a very active wind area. But, we cannot live where there are no trees...Wyoming and Montanna have vast tracks of plains/desert, and I have no desire to homestead there....no backup heating source is inviting disaster IMO.
I can't imagine why I'd want to be near a metro area...YUK... Once our home is built, as in all the capital equipment is in place and certian high risk failures are backed up with spares, the only thing I would "need" from town is a couple thousand gallons of propane and diesel fuel, LOL...and its been my experience, that heavy equipment/trucks are prolific in the middle of nowhere so the stuff I REALLY need will not be hard to get...I never have figured out what cities offer people?? The misery of living near other idiots that have to be told to not smoke around others? I don't know...politicians maybe?
Hopefully others with experience will chime in on this topic...We are planning a drive through visit next May.
J
rafter
Since 1999
I lived in Colorado for almost 20 years. (In fact getting ready to move back) So I guess I speak of experience.
I lived on both the front range and the west slope. I will be moving back to the front range.
People that have never experienced a Colorado winter don't understand it. They think snow and brutal cold. This is not true. Yes a lot of snow ....sometimes. It depends on the altitude in which you live. You live at 10,000' yep you will get considerable snow. (BTDT) You live in Pagosa Springs (on the west slope and up against the San Juans....yep you will get a lot of snow (again BTDT) But you live on the front range you will get some snow, but it doesn't stay and isn't very often measured in feet.
Temperature in the winter along the front range is extemely mild. In fact as long as the sun was out....I never wear a coat. Just a sweat shirt or jacket. At night you wear a coat, but its a dry cold and it doesn't bone chill you like it does like say the midwest (Mo.). And when you get Chinook winds it will be in the 60's and 70's even in January.
Stay away from Wyoming unless you love wind. When we lived in the Loveland/Ft. Collins/ Estes Park area we would have to go to Cheyenne and Laramie on business and in the winter it would be 40 degrees colder and the wind would be extreme.
You can't beat the summer in Colorado and unless you are out on the eastern plains you don't have to worry about tornadoes.
Bugs are pretty limited (no ticks, chiggars, termites, and other nasties...and in all the time I lived there I never saw a cockroach)
Like everywhere else there are down sides, and yes it isn't the same as before California moved in...but neither is anyplace else. I doubt there is a place in the US that hasn't changed over the course of the past 20 years.
You can grow a good garden and with a greenhouse you can grow things beyond your expectations. IN fact east of Colo Springs is a huge hydroponic tomato out fit that you have probably ate their 'vine' tomatoes. Nothing beats Rocky Ford canalopes and Olathe sweet corn, and west slope peaches. Last summer while my garden looked terrible in Mo...the gardens in Colorado looked awesome.
As far as heat. We heated our house in Colorado far cheaper than we did last winter in Mo. We heated with wood and a backup furnace in Colorado. Cut our firewood in the forest for $15 a cord and never had a bill over $100 for heat. Last winter in Missouri we heated with wood (cost $100 a cord...no place to cut wood), and still had an elect bill of $400-$500 a month to heat our house!!!! Plus having to run a/c in Mo which we never had in Colorado.
There you have it....the truth about living in Colorado.
I lived on both the front range and the west slope. I will be moving back to the front range.
People that have never experienced a Colorado winter don't understand it. They think snow and brutal cold. This is not true. Yes a lot of snow ....sometimes. It depends on the altitude in which you live. You live at 10,000' yep you will get considerable snow. (BTDT) You live in Pagosa Springs (on the west slope and up against the San Juans....yep you will get a lot of snow (again BTDT) But you live on the front range you will get some snow, but it doesn't stay and isn't very often measured in feet.
Temperature in the winter along the front range is extemely mild. In fact as long as the sun was out....I never wear a coat. Just a sweat shirt or jacket. At night you wear a coat, but its a dry cold and it doesn't bone chill you like it does like say the midwest (Mo.). And when you get Chinook winds it will be in the 60's and 70's even in January.
Stay away from Wyoming unless you love wind. When we lived in the Loveland/Ft. Collins/ Estes Park area we would have to go to Cheyenne and Laramie on business and in the winter it would be 40 degrees colder and the wind would be extreme.
You can't beat the summer in Colorado and unless you are out on the eastern plains you don't have to worry about tornadoes.
Bugs are pretty limited (no ticks, chiggars, termites, and other nasties...and in all the time I lived there I never saw a cockroach)
Like everywhere else there are down sides, and yes it isn't the same as before California moved in...but neither is anyplace else. I doubt there is a place in the US that hasn't changed over the course of the past 20 years.
You can grow a good garden and with a greenhouse you can grow things beyond your expectations. IN fact east of Colo Springs is a huge hydroponic tomato out fit that you have probably ate their 'vine' tomatoes. Nothing beats Rocky Ford canalopes and Olathe sweet corn, and west slope peaches. Last summer while my garden looked terrible in Mo...the gardens in Colorado looked awesome.
As far as heat. We heated our house in Colorado far cheaper than we did last winter in Mo. We heated with wood and a backup furnace in Colorado. Cut our firewood in the forest for $15 a cord and never had a bill over $100 for heat. Last winter in Missouri we heated with wood (cost $100 a cord...no place to cut wood), and still had an elect bill of $400-$500 a month to heat our house!!!! Plus having to run a/c in Mo which we never had in Colorado.
There you have it....the truth about living in Colorado.
vessie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Father, Maui is a beautiful island but is getting so congested now that you find yourself wasting gas sitting in traffic.
May I highly suggest a little secret we have in Kauai? It rains yes, but not all the time and then it's just quickie little showers. But the beauty of the island is that the traffic isn't bad, you can get anywhere without sitting in traffic and it is sooo beautiful and lush with greenery and flowers.
And to live here, you find there is a wonderful climate for growing your own food. And to everyone reading this, the housing crisis hit bad in the islands and there are tons of foreclosures to be had for a pittance of what was once asked for the inflated prices of homes.
We have a Costco just minutes away from the airport in Lihue, ten minute drive from Kapaa where I am for part of the year and a nice shopping mall. Everything you find on Maui without spending most of your vacation sitting at a traffic light and stop and go traffic. V
May I highly suggest a little secret we have in Kauai? It rains yes, but not all the time and then it's just quickie little showers. But the beauty of the island is that the traffic isn't bad, you can get anywhere without sitting in traffic and it is sooo beautiful and lush with greenery and flowers.
And to live here, you find there is a wonderful climate for growing your own food. And to everyone reading this, the housing crisis hit bad in the islands and there are tons of foreclosures to be had for a pittance of what was once asked for the inflated prices of homes.
We have a Costco just minutes away from the airport in Lihue, ten minute drive from Kapaa where I am for part of the year and a nice shopping mall. Everything you find on Maui without spending most of your vacation sitting at a traffic light and stop and go traffic. V
Flippper
Time Traveler
Wa state is socialist but so far no state income tax, about the only perk to living here. Spokane is nice but stats said that one fifth speak Russian. Idaho has an income tax but is conservative, unfortunately that is slowly eroding. If I had to move mainland, I'd move to Idaho. Western Montana is gorgeous, Kalispell is also gorgeous.
If I won the lottery I'd move to Hawaii, Big Island or Kauai, excellent growing season-everyone I've met there from the mainland said they'd never go back to Kalifornia, Florida, etc. It's a fairly socialist state IIRC, but it's soooo beautiful.
If I won the lottery I'd move to Hawaii, Big Island or Kauai, excellent growing season-everyone I've met there from the mainland said they'd never go back to Kalifornia, Florida, etc. It's a fairly socialist state IIRC, but it's soooo beautiful.
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