I was in the delivery room in [Mombosa,] Kenya, when he was born Aug. 4, 1961.

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Obama and our coming constitutional crisis

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Posted: November 08, 2008
1:00 am Eastern

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80435

I was in the delivery room in [Mombosa,] Kenya, when he was born Aug. 4, 1961.
~ Obama's paternal grandmother

Nothing is more important than enforcing the Constitution.

~ Philip Berg, petitioner – Philip J. Berg v. Barack Obama, et al. (2008)

As President-elect Barack Obama ascends to the presidency of the United States, there still remains a looming cloud above his head like the sword of Damocles. If and when that sword will fall plunging America into a constitutional crisis depends on a number of desperate and remarkable variables.

Before I get into these variables, let's examine what the Constitution says. What are the requirements to become president? Section 1 of Article II of the U.S. Constitution states that a president must:

be a natural born citizen of the United States;
be at least 35 years old;
have lived in the U.S. for at least 14 years.
The inevitable constitutional crisis regarding Obama, of course, revolves around his inability (or unwillingness) to produce an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate with the raised certificate stamp that the Federal Elections Commission can independently verify.

I know there are those who say Obama has produced an authentic birth certificate and posted it on his website, but experts and amateurs alike quickly found numerous errors in that document and deemed it a forgery (and a bad one at that).

Philip J. Berg, a Democratic operative and former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania, has assumed the tragic role of Prometheus, ascended Mount Olympus, the abode of Zeus, and has launched a one-man campaign to force Obama to verify his U.S. citizenship by suing the senator, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, to verify that indeed he is worthy to be president of the United States by producing a real birth certificate.

Here are some of the unanswered issues hanging over the head of President-elect Barack Obama and the question of his American citizenship cited in an earlier article by WND news editor Drew Zahn:

The allegation that Obama was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship;


The allegation that Obama was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship;


The allegation that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen;


The allegation that Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child; that Obama may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president.


The allegations that "Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states."Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."


The claim could not be verified by WND inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public;


Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, she forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.
Unfortunately, just 10 days before the election, a court of appeals judge threw out Berg's lawsuit challenging the veracity of Obama's U.S. citizenship status on technical grounds. Judge R. Barclay Surrick, a Jimmy Carter-appointed judge, amazingly (and with a tinge of irony), stated his opinion in part:

In a 34-page memorandum that accompanied the court order, the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick concludes that ordinary citizens can't sue to ensure that a presidential candidate actually meets the constitutional requirements of the office.
Surrick defers to Congress, saying that the legislature could determine "that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution's eligibility requirements for the Presidency," but that it would take new laws to grant individual citizens that ability.

"Until that time," Surrick says, "voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring."

Judge Surrick, quoting from Hollander, concludes, "The alleged harm to voters stemming from a presidential candidate's failure to satisfy the eligibility requirements of the Natural Born Citizen Clause is not concrete or particularized enough to constitute an injury."

Surrick also quotes Lujan v. Defenders of Wildlife, which stated, in part, "The Supreme Court has consistently held that a plaintiff raising only a generally available grievance about government – claiming only harm to his and every citizen's interest in proper application of the Constitution and laws, and seeking relief that no more directly and tangibly benefits him than it does the public at large – does not state an Article III case or controversy."

Constitutionally speaking, Judge Surrick's reasoning is completely illogical and a total dereliction of his duty as a judge to substantively address this most vital constitutional controversy. Instead, in a gutless manner, Surrick dismissed Berg's complaint 10 days before the elections on a technicality of standing, which to any rational person begs the question: If Philip J. Berg as an American citizen, a respected Democratic operative and former attorney general of Pennsylvania doesn't have the "standing" to bring this type of lawsuit against Obama, then who in America does have standing? The good judge in all 34 pages of legal mumbo jumbo didn't bother to answer this pivotal question.

That Berg's complaint is not "concrete or particularized enough to constitute an injury" is an amazing admission by any person that went to law school and even more so given the fact that Surrick is a respected appellate judge!

I am somewhat hopeful that Berg will successfully appeal Surrick's outrageous decision to 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals and then to the United States Supreme Court if necessary, even if technically he doesn't have standing to hold Obama accountable to the Constitution. Why? Because this is America, and out of 300 million people, someone should give a damn enough about this republic to make sure the person who holds the highest elected office in the land holds it legitimately based on the black letter text of Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

Unless and until Obama's citizenship question is definitively put to rest, then the proverbial sword of Damocles will continue to dangle precariously over his head and America will face 50 lawsuits from all 50 states demanding that President Barack Obama prove that he is an authentic American citizen according to the U.S. Constitution.
 

VesperSparrow

Goin' where the lonely go
If it were ME,I would be so INSULTED if someone chased and hounded me regarding my citizenship and he'd be lucky I didn't just punch him in the nose...:smkd:

but Barry sorteros doesn't seem to even care about something so incredibly serious and I wonder why...
 

Karnie

Veteran Member
If it were ME,I would be so INSULTED if someone chased and hounded me regarding my citizenship and he'd be lucky I didn't just punch him in the nose...:smkd:

but Barry sorteros doesn't seem to even care about something so incredibly serious and I wonder why...

Given the rapid response to blogs, news articles and even "Joe the Plumber" by the Obama operatives, one with critical thinking skills really must wonder why they have not offered up their proof, then sued the socks off of Berg et al. They could/should have done that when they were first served in August. But then again, one with critical thinking skills has no problem figuring out why he has not done so. He cannot.

Biden spoke of a manufactured crisis - well, indeed there may be one. This one manufactured by Obama himself, having chosen to ignore the numerous court actions against him in this matter.
 

Rippled

Veteran Member
They are hoping it will go away.

All of this could have been handled long ago.
I don't believe he has proof.


"Until that time," Surrick says, "voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring."


It is starting to become more obvious that we voters/citizens do not have standing on anything.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
waiting for this to be moved off the main
but believing it should be stuck at the top of the page here.

damn it. i HAD to produce proof positive of my birth certificate from the state to the local city authorities in order to secure a marriage licence.

HAD to. and somebody who grew up in Indonesia just waltzes in here and gets to become President of the United States and DOESN'T provide proof positive of said birth certificate of natural citizenship?

:sht::sht::sht:

sorry. i'll be quiet now. i don't want to wake any one up...
:zzz:
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
To be sheeple leader, all one needs is LOTS of money, nice cloths and to practice their speeches for 8 years.

ain't hard to figure out

oh look, aint they cute?!?
:sheep::sheep::sheep::sheep::sheep:
 

jesner

Veteran Member
To be sheeple leader, all one needs is LOTS of money, nice cloths and to practice their speeches for 8 years.

ain't hard to figure out

oh look, aint they cute?!?
:sheep::sheep::sheep::sheep::sheep:

and the LOTS OF MONEY is a keynote of Obama's campaign
[where it comes from is anyone's guess; hard to tell from the list at fer.gov]
 

D_el

Veteran Member
If it were ME,I would be so INSULTED if someone chased and hounded me regarding my citizenship and he'd be lucky I didn't just punch him in the nose...:smkd:

but Barry sorteros doesn't seem to even care about something so incredibly serious and I wonder why...

It seems to me that he cares deeply enough about the constant erosion of the Constitution of the United States of America.
We're not talking about applying for Social Security here, we're talking about something far more reaching and potentially lethal for the entire country as our Constitution is willingly eroded daily by judges legislating from the bench and possible outright fraud perpetrated upon you and me alike.
VesperSparrow, I understand your need for privacy but if you were applying for the job of Commander in Chief of the entire United States wouldn't you expect there would be qualifications that would require basic proof of claim?
While I value my privacy too, there are times when I have had to show proof of my qualifications for the position being applied for.
 

JoPatch

Contributing Member
According to Berg's website
www.obamacrimes.com

He has taken the matter to the Supreme Court. They have issued a deadline of December 1st. for BO to produce what he needs to in order to prove he is legal to to be pres.
I can't imagine the supreme court taking a case that they didn't feel had merit.
If I were BO, I would be standing in front of the court showing everything, so I could get it out of the way, and get on with life.
 

hope4mil

Veteran Member
I am a member of Ancestory.com, a paid membership genealogy site. I did an EXTENSIVE search for Barack H Obama's record of birth in Hawaii, or elsewhere in the United States, and there is no record of his birth! I included all known spellings or possibilities including Barry Sortero. I have done genealogy for over 17 years and you can find all records on that site, unless there is a spelling error or a transcription error (this relates to the old records.) I did this several weeks ago, before all the records were sealed. But I doubt that anyone would have thought to shut down Ancestory.com's records, since that is a privately owned company, and little known for that matter. :shr:
Hope
 

VesperSparrow

Goin' where the lonely go
It seems to me that he cares deeply enough about the constant erosion of the Constitution of the United States of America.
We're not talking about applying for Social Security here, we're talking about something far more reaching and potentially lethal for the entire country as our Constitution is willingly eroded daily by judges legislating from the bench and possible outright fraud perpetrated upon you and me alike.
VesperSparrow, I understand your need for privacy but if you were applying for the job of Commander in Chief of the entire United States wouldn't you expect there would be qualifications that would require basic proof of claim?
While I value my privacy too, there are times when I have had to show proof of my qualifications for the position being applied for.

Relax dear, I'm on YOUR side....:p

ReRead it, then add a touch of my well known sarcasm, and then it'll make sense...

Peace.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Arrogant if he is, illegal if he isn't. Fishy all the way around.

And almost all his records of all kinds are sealed and secret. Even his college applications.

The normal trail of the past of this man has been erased for J6P.

The records that HAVE been found in Indonesia list him as islamic.

All I can do now is pray God inspires Obama to be a good President. God has the power to change a person for good.
 

D_el

Veteran Member
Relax dear, I'm on YOUR side....:p

ReRead it, then add a touch of my well known sarcasm, and then it'll make sense...

Peace.


You'd think I would know by now since I frequently use sarcasm too.
Bless you dear one. For a moment I thought we'd lost you. :lkick:
 

fruit loop

Inactive
:roll2::roll2:

Barack was born in Hawaii. He would still be a citizen even if he had been born in Kenya, because his mother was American.

I believe McCain was born out of the country too.
 

IBFawn

Contributing Member
hope4mil,

Would you mind telling me where I can find such recent birth certificates on Ancestry.com?

I have found California 1905 to 1995 and Texas 1903 to 1997. I have found no other States so recent. I would sure like New York if you could assist me in my search.
 

pama

Contributing Member
I just had a thought With the birth certificate in question and the possibility of a constitutional crisis the democrats have just asked Senator Robert C. Byrd, perhaps the person who has the best understanding of our constitution, to step down from his leadership post. Wonder why?:shr:
 

Ironhand

Inactive
You know, I voted for Obama for my own health care reasons. However, I have been bothered by this birth certificate thing since the first time I heard it. I truly believed that it must have been taken care of because I couldn't make myself believe that no one since the beginning of his political life didn't vet his birth to make sure he was legally able to run for President.

If they are able to prove that he was not born in America and that his mother's American citizenship wasn't automatically transferred to him, I personally think he should be disqualified. This is one liberal that believes the laws of our land should be upheld regardless of who breaks them.
 

Grantbo

Membership Revoked
:roll2::roll2:

Barack was born in Hawaii. He would still be a citizen even if he had been born in Kenya, because his mother was American.

I believe McCain was born out of the country too.


You're too late in trying to sweep this under the rug.

Also, McC didn't win the election so trying to change the subject won't make this go away either.
 
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