I silently cheer on the protestors & liberal press, even hope they get wilder...

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They're currently roughly 5 groupings of political thought in USA on a continuum...

Solid Trump Supporters
Modest and barely Trump Supporters
Disillusioned, or occasionally engaged or non-political
Traditional Democrat
Radicalized Liberals

The vile actions of the protestors and the blatant propaganda of the press repulse
many, the more the protestors are seen and media bias is revealed, and all the top
four categories are steadily drawn upwards towards and into their next higher group.

Only the bottom 'Radicalized Liberals' are locked in and only those with that bent,
typically coming out of academia indoctrination, are attracted into this category
as they get notoriety for their shenanigans and liberal media spin supports them.

Other than them, most all Americans in upper 4 groupings are repelled by them both
(protestors & media bias) to varying degrees and find themselves to becoming more
sympathetic and leaning towards, and at home with, the next category above them.

Many who voted for Trump were more voting against a corrupt democrat Hillary who
supported and/or were supported by a Radicalized, flag-burning, Liberal agenda that
they were finding increasingly repulsive the more they saw of it.

That's why I silently hope the protestors keep acting badly and media bias blatantly
continues, as it repels away and draws in more decent Americans upwards towards
becoming Trump supporters, or at least into the 'I hope my fears about him are wrong
and let's give him a chance camp'
cause, they say to themselves, we sure aren't
ever supporting those idiots rioting in the streets who oppose him or the liberal media
highlighting, excusing or outright cheering them on.

The % of people who are weak democrat supporters along with those who are modest
republican supporters and even many more who are not especially politically active
at all, make up the biggest and most fluid block of citizens that are pushed/pulled
upwards the more they see of what's festering below. I hope they keep on seeing
plenty of it and more then will keep coming our way!

Make sense?

- Shane
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
And the Black Bloc rent-a-mob professional anarchists. Don't forget those.
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http://www.occupy.com/article/unmas...at-they-do-how-they-work#sthash.17wL4X7N.dpbs

Unmasking The Black Bloc: Who They Are, What They Do, How They Work
Thu, 12/18/2014 - by Devon Douglas-Bowers

“The Black Bloc always defend the demonstrations when the police come here.” - Ariane Santos, 26-year-old Brazilian student

“The Black Bloc anarchists, who have been active on the streets in Oakland and other cities, are the cancer of the Occupy movement.” - Chris Hedges
The Black Bloc: some love it, others hate it. Many condemn Black Blockers for engaging in property destruction and lack of central organization, yet others appreciate them and see their divisive actions as a positive, arguing for a diversity of tactics. However, what many are lacking is an understanding of the Black Bloc, it's history, the types of people who are in it, and the problems within.

While this is a brief exploration of the Black Bloc, those who are interested further should read "Who's Afraid of the Black Blocs? Anarchy In Action Around the World," by Francis Dupuis-Déri (translated by Lazer Lederhendler), which not only provided the research for this article, but also explores on a deeper level what the black block is, the tactics and beliefs of black blockers, and criticism of the Black Bloc.

To begin to discuss black blocs, there must first be an understanding of what a black bloc is. Black blocs are “ad hoc assemblages of individuals or affinity groups that last for the duration of a march or rally” in which members retain their anonymity via head-to-toe black clothing. While there may be uses of force, “more often than not they are content to protest peacefully” with the main objective being to “embody within a demonstration a radical critique of the economic and political system.” A black bloc can be one person or thousands. It should be noted the black bloc isn't a group, but rather a tactic to allow for radicals to engage in direct action without fear of arrest; while many black blockers are anarchist, not all of them are.

Origins
Black blocs came out of the autonomous movement in Germany in the 1980s, specifically West Germany where “radical feminists had a profound effect on the Automen, injecting the movement with a more anarchist spirit than was the case elsewhere in Western Europe.” The Automen expressed their politics via “rent strikes and re-appropriating hundreds of buildings which were turned into squats” that doubled as spaces for political activity.

There is no definitive moment when the term black bloc came into usage, although there are different stories. The first major arrival of a black bloc was in 1986 when a massive black bloc was formed to defend the Hafenstrasse squat where 1,500 black blockers and 10,000 other demonstrators confronted the police and saved the squat.

Black bloc ideas and tactics soon spread to North America via fanzines, personal contacts and punk music groups, but there is also a more interesting reason as to how black bloc tactics spread. Sociologists Charles Tilly, Doug McAdam and Dieter Rucht, all of whom specialize in social movements, have shown that “for different periods and places there exist repertoires of collective action deemed effective and legitimate for the defense and promotion of a cause. These repertories are transformed and disseminated over time and across borders from one social movement to another, in accordance with the experiences of militants and the changes in the political sphere.”

Essentially, tactics and ideas spread over time from one social movement to another depending on their effectiveness and how the tactics will work within the context of each movement. Two modern day examples of this could be the physical encampment of spaces from the Occupy movement and the "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" gesture from the anti-police brutality movement that has recently sprung up surrounding the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson.

The first time the black bloc made a major move in North America was during a January 1991 rally against the Persian Gulf war where the World Bank building was targeted. Black bloc tactics were also used by the militant anti-racist group Anti-Racist Action, which focuses on directly confronting neo-Nazis and white supremacists.

Who They Are, How They are Organized
While the black bloc may be made up of militants, they are consistently categorized as hooligans, thugs and youths who take joy in private property destruction. Thus, there needs to be further exploration of the types of people under the masks.

It should be noted the black blocs, at least in the U.S. and Europe, are generally overwhelmingly white and male. However, there is some diversity. In a communiqué published days after the demonstrations against the 2001 G8 Summit in Genoa, Mary Black (a pseudonym for a protester who took part in the protests) noted that most of the people she knew who used black bloc tactics “have days jobs working for nonprofits. Some are schoolteachers, labor organizers, or students. Some don't have full-time jobs, but instead spend most of their time working for change in their communities.[...] These are thinking and caring folks who, if they did not have radical political and social agendas, would be compared with nuns, monks, and others who live their lives in service.”

Dupuis-Déri himself stated that in interviews he has had with black blockers, many had been involved in the social sciences and that “in a number of cases, their research projects dealt with the political significance and consequences of demonstrations and direct actions,” suggesting “that their political involvement was grounded in serious political thinking.”

Thus, those who involve themselves in black bloc tactics are not necessarily people who are at protests solely to break things, although such types of people do come in and cause problems.

Before discussing the issue of property destruction, it would be pertinent to know how black blocs are organized. Black bloc groups attempt to function in a horizontal manner, with each person having equal say in deliberating issues and where the goal is consensus rather than voting. In order to do this, black blockers form affinity groups, which are groups “generally composed of between a half-dozen and several dozen individuals whose affinity results from ties that bind them, such as belonging to the same school, workplace, or political organization.” By having previous ties to one another, members in affinity groups are able to coordinate much easier.

The Issue of Property Destruction
Not all black blockers engage in property destruction. While one may use black bloc tactics, there are different roles one can play. Groups take into account things such as a person's immigration status, health problems, previous arrest record and the like, and at-risk individuals can engage in low-risk tasks such as being “in charge of legal support in the event of arrests, or responsible for transportation, lodging, water and food supplies, media contacts, psychological support” and whatnot.

Black blocs meet to plan and organize before hand, but also during protests as well. One black blocker who took part in the protests against the G8 Summit in 2003 noted in her reflection of the events:
"I found it extraordinary that we could hold delegates' meetings right in the middle of the blocking action. There were barricades, fires had been lit, the police were slinging a lot of tear gas. And still, a meeting was called with someone yelling, 'meeting in ten minutes near the road sign.' The meeting took place barely a few hundred meters from where the police stood, and it allowed us to decide on our course of action. [...] The police officers see you as a crowd and assume you're going to act like a crowd, The affinity group model disrupts that dynamic: you don't act like a crowd anymore but like a rational being."

With regards to property damage, for black blockers, the target is the message. Targets are often chosen for their symbolic value. “On principle, Black Blocs do not strike community centers, public libraries, the offices of women's committees or even small independent businesses.” While this may be true generally, the use of property destruction by some black blockers can cause problems, such as can be seen in the recent Berkeley protests, where people were protesting the death of Eric Garner and individuals came and broke the windows of a number of banks. This is deeply problematic as it took the attention off the death of Eric Garner and the larger issues surrounding police brutality against the black community, and put the attention on banks. Actions such as these can potentially create a space for the police to justify a crackdown on all protesters.

The fetishization of property destruction is a problem with the black bloc, as in some cases “violent direct action becomes a means for a would-be militant to affirm [their] political identity in the eyes of other militants. This makes it very tempting for that person to look down on and exclude those who do not equate radicalism with violence.” Yet, not all black blockers engage in this fetishization and are aware of the dangers, such as with a participant of the Quebec city black blocs who stated: “I have no patience for dogmatic pacifism, but there is also dogmatic violence, which sees violence as the only and only means to wage the struggle.” The protester Sofiane noted that “We don't advocate violence; it's not a program... Because you can easily acquire a taste for violence, you get used to it... But when it comes to doing militant work, not many people show up.”

Diversity of Tactics
However, there are solutions to the problem of those wanting to engage in direct action and others who want to peacefully protest that should be quoted at some length. Around 2000, there were a few mobilizations in which it was proposed that certain areas of a city be identified by colors in order to allow different types of protests simultaneously:
"This was done at the Reclaim the Street rally in London on June 18, 1999; at the first Global Day of Action called by the People's Global Action, an anti-capitalist network founded in Geneva in 1998 and close to the Zapatista rebels.[...] Color coding made it possible to distinguish among three separate marches: blue for the Black Bloc, accompanied by the Infernal Noise Brigade band; yellow for the Tute Bianche [a militant Italian social movement]; pink for the Pink and Silver Bloc."

The organization Convergence of Anti-Capitalist Struggles used a similar tactic at demonstrations in which there were three zones: green, yellow, and red. "The green zone was a sanctuary where demonstrators were, theoretically, in no danger of being arrested. The yellow zone was for those undertaking nonviolent civil disobedience and involved a minor risk of being arrested. The red zone was for protesters who were ready for more aggressive tactics, including skirmishes with the police."

This allowed for the concept of a diversity of tactics to be respected, as well as for protesters to have spaces where more or less militant tactics were accepted, all while maintaining the safety of peaceful protesters.
Though the debate surrounding property violence is the largest and loudest of all, there are other problems within black blocs such as sexism and accusations of alienating the working class.

With regards to sexism, many critics of black blocs argue that militant direct action “partakes of a macho mystique and does not encourage women to join in” and that expressing one's anger through destruction “simply [confirms] and [amplifies] aggressive masculinity.” Furthermore, the sexual division of labor is often reproduced, with a woman who took part in a number of black blocs in the 2012 Quebec student strike saying that it was women who often did the shopping “when fabric was needed to make flags and banners.”
Dupuis-Déri noted that the situation hadn't changed, writing that “more than a decade earlier, during a meeting to prepare a black bloc in Montreal, the men ended up in the backyard of an apartment honing their slingshot skills while the women were in the kitchen making Molotov cocktails.” Thus, masculinity is not only reproduced in many black bloc circles, but also creates a space that rejects the participation of women and devalues their labor and thus their importance to the movement.

Some argue that black blocs alienate the working-class “with their clothing and lifestyle choices, which are associated with the anarchist counterculture.” While some may argue that there are those in the working-class who support and take part in black blocs, it should be noted that these are not fully representative of the working-class; there is a lack of people of color and women and so the black blocs are more representative of the young, white working-class.

Black blocs tactics are divisive and create a large amount of tension, even within far-left circles. Many condemn black blockers as being nothing but hooligans who want to break things. But by unmasking who they are, one can better understand them and their tactics and ideas, even if one disagrees.
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Point is, it backfired in the election and it is still today. It is repulsive to Americans.

Soros money would have been better spent funding supposed pro-Trump, nazi fascist,
gun-toting, KKK loving, rioters, if he wanted to turn decent Americans against Trump.

What's going on now is assuring those supporters of Trump that they were and are right
to be so and encouraging others sympathetic to more seriously consider embracing, too.

- Shane
 
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Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
It was Strauss and Howe that noted that the second half of the babyboom was more conservative than the first half. They mentioned poorer economic circumstances as a cause. But I can say that I was in 8th grade when MLK and RFK assassinations occurred. The riots and demonstrations that marked the end of the 60's and the beginning of the 70's really had an impact on me. I wanted no parts of the Democrats.
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
What they are doing now only works to shift public opinion their way when it's done
to elicit an excessive over response by the authorities to tarnish them and also garner
public support for protestors cause. For instance, the Kent State National Guardsmen
shootings or 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention riots. But, protestors as 'victims'
can't ever be seen as being too overly violent themselves for the best contrast.

- Shane
 
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Bicycle Junkie

Resident dissident and troll
They're currently roughly 5 groupings of political thought in USA on a continuum...

Solid Trump Supporters
Modest and barely Trump Supporters
Disillusioned, or occasionally engaged or non-political
Traditional Democrat
Radicalized Liberals

The vile actions of the protestors and the blatant propaganda of the press repulse
many, the more the protestors are seen and media bias is revealed, and all the top
four categories are steadily drawn upwards towards and into their next higher group.

Only the bottom 'Radicalized Liberals' are locked in and only those with that bent,
typically coming out of academia indoctrination, are attracted into this category
as they get notoriety for their shenanigans and liberal media spin supports them.

Other than them, most all Americans in upper 4 groupings are repelled by them both
(protestors & media bias) to varying degrees and find themselves to becoming more
sympathetic and leaning towards, and at home with, the next category above them.

Many who voted for Trump were more voting against a corrupt democrat Hillary who
supported and/or were supported by a Radicalized, flag-burning, Liberal agenda that
they were finding increasingly repulsive the more they saw of it.

That's why I silently hope the protestors keep acting badly and media bias blatantly
continues, as it repels away and draws in more decent Americans upwards towards
becoming Trump supporters, or at least into the 'I hope my fears about him are wrong
and let's give him a chance camp'
cause, they say to themselves, we sure aren't
ever supporting those idiots rioting in the streets who oppose him or the liberal media
highlighting, excusing or outright cheering them on.

The % of people who are weak democrat supporters along with those who are modest
republican supporters and even many more who are not especially politically active
at all, make up the biggest and most fluid block of citizens that are pushed/pulled
upwards the more they see of what's festering below. I hope they keep on seeing
plenty of it and more then will keep coming our way!

Make sense?

- Shane

There's another political category to which I subscribe: cynic and skeptic.
I place my faith in our Savior.
 

Nowski

Let's Go Brandon!
I read thread after thread on TB2K, and on many other forums
and blogs, about how Soros is behind all of these riots,
and assorted mayhem.

My question, why is the sob still alive?

He should be with The Devil.

Regards to all deplorables,
Nowski
 

imaginative

keep your eye on the ball
I silently cheer on the protestors & liberal press, even hope they get wilder...

They're currently roughly 5 groupings of political thought in USA on a continuum...

Solid Trump Supporters
Modest and barely Trump Supporters
Disillusioned, or occasionally engaged or non-political
Traditional Democrat
Radicalized Liberals

The vile actions of the protestors and the blatant propaganda of the press repulse
many, the more the protestors are seen and media bias is revealed, and all the top
four categories are steadily drawn upwards towards and into their next higher group.

Shane you are exactly right on.

The Rust Belt has been mainly comprised of #4- Traditional Democrat. And has pretty much always voted that way. DJT not only won the vote here in November; his popularity has increased since then. Last night a friend came over- he voted for Johnson in Nov. Yesterday he asked, "Did you see Trumps speech? It was great- I was actually really impressed. Then he went on to bitch about the media and how their comments during the inauguration were childish & painful to hear.

Trump really is winning folks & the media is looking increasingly foolish & desperate.
 

SquonkHunter

Geezer (ret.)
It was Strauss and Howe that noted that the second half of the babyboom was more conservative than the first half. They mentioned poorer economic circumstances as a cause. But I can say that I was in 8th grade when MLK and RFK assassinations occurred. The riots and demonstrations that marked the end of the 60's and the beginning of the 70's really had an impact on me. I wanted no parts of the Democrats.

I was right behind you and also grew up much more conservative than those a bit older than me. Hell, I was even more conservative than most my own age back then. Still am.
 
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