VIDEO Hey Dennis, Here is a math problem no one can solve...

hunybee

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oh man......

i didn't even get a minute in and i am already asking "why". i am a really inquisitive person and i drove my math teachers nuts. poor teachers.

if you have ever seen the movie blast from the past, i am like the son that keeps asking why when the dad is explaining baseball, and my teachers were like the dad.
 
bsharp

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Let x=pi. Since it is a never ending number, you will never know whether to divide by 2 or put back into 3x+1. Irrational numbers don’t fit the mold.
 
Ku Commando

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4-2-1......4-2-1.....4-2-1......4-2-1......etc, etc, etc

How 'bout 420 & be done w/ it ??!!

Happy Thanksgiving everyone !!!
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bw

bw

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I question whether this is properly a math question. It's like any number of programming algorithms, where you can test a limited number of cases and develop some confidence, but you can't predict all the paths.

I've done a little work on the statistical patterns in generating all possible n-dimension magic squares, and the results sort of resemble the pattern here. I didn't call it math then, and I don't now.
 
BadMedicine

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bw said:
I question whether this is properly a math question.
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Errrrrrm... This is not a math problem "no one can solve." ...wtf? This whole video is fake news. Whoever first randomly drew up this math EQUATION, of which, different VALUES can be plugged, has explained, nor missed anything.

He's looking for an answer to NUMBERS. Well, in LOTS of things in life, NUMBERS are the answer. NUMBERS answer EVERYTHING. So what answers NUMBERS? MFIN NUMBERS!!!

Take for instance, a prime number. THis number is prime. WHy? Because no other number divides evenly in to it other than one. Now I task you: Solve why 3 is prime. Huh? "Numbers" Thats the answer.

It's like the grey elephant in Denmark joke. Some numbers, when brought through an equation, produce number,

Wooooooooooooooooow!! The crowd awed.

What was graphed? Numbers? oh, they graphed a graph? wow.
 
bw

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BadMedicine said:
Whoever first randomly drew up this math EQUATION, of which, different VALUES can be plugged
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That's really the key. The video describes an algorithm using "3N+1" and "/2", which can be expressed as "xN+y" and "/z", where x, y and z are 3, 1, 2 respectively. Any other values can be used for x, y and z, and will generate some other set of solutions with their own patterns. It's not like these are cosmological constants.

As a workbench for developing analytical tools, this is of minor interest. As a solution to a meaningful problem, this is about as productive as playing sudoku.
 
hunybee

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bw said:
That's really the key. The video describes an algorithm using "3N+1" and "/2", which can be expressed as "xN+y" and "/z", where x, y and z are 3, 1, 2 respectively. Any other values can be used for x, y and z, and will generate some other set of solutions with their own patterns. It's not like these are cosmological constants.

As a workbench for developing analytical tools, this is of minor interest. As a solution to a meaningful problem, this is about as productive as playing sudoku.
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i don't know what you just said, but i get the feeling we are thinking in the same way.
 
hunybee

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as soon as i started watching the video, the question "why" popped in.

why were we multiplying and odd number by 3 and adding 1? and why are we diving and even number by 2?

how and why were these actions determined, and for what reason and purpose?

what is the purpose of the equation in the first place?
 
20Gauge

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medic38572 said:
The Simplest Math Problem No One Can Solve - Collatz Conjecture
The Collatz Conjecture is the simplest math problem no one can solve — it is easy enough for almost anyone to understand but notoriously difficult to solve.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=094y1Z2wpJg

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Silly and misleading.

Any number can be placed as x.

But this is not a real math problem, but rather a math expression.

To be a math problem it must have another side to the equation.

For example 3x+1=0

If so x=-1/3

very solvable
 
BadMedicine

BadMedicine

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bw said:
Any other values can be used for x, y and z, and will generate some other set of solutions with their own patterns. It's not like these are cosmological constants.

As a workbench for developing analytical tools, this is of minor interest. As a solution to a meaningful problem, this is about as productive as playing sudoku.
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excactly. Use any other 3 numbers and you will get a graph that EVENTUALLY.... (just like this one, sometimes MIELS of calulations later) either Rises or sinks to infiniti. Makes a graph doing it. Solves no problem, is the answer to no questions, and creats nothing. I can also plot a course to infiniti. If you takeANY NUMBER and +1 to it, and then again, and again, and so on, eventually, you will have gone through all the numbers you know. Conversely, any number -1 will eventually go to zero and hten, well beyond. and?

This plots nothing. There is nothing to solve. It's addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. Nothing happening here. I can't believe they made a video or that ANYONE interested in numbers would spend a minute asking "why?"

This is a question I would expect somebody who is autistic, but very gifted in some areas, like language, problem solving, but terrible at numbers/ math. This might intrigue the sh*t out of them and convinve them there is 'something' to it. Like what? nada.
 
bsharp

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BadMedicine said:
Errrrrrm... This is not a math problem "no one can solve." ...wtf? This whole video is fake news. Whoever first randomly drew up this math EQUATION, of which, different VALUES can be plugged, has explained, nor missed anything.

He's looking for an answer to NUMBERS. Well, in LOTS of things in life, NUMBERS are the answer. NUMBERS answer EVERYTHING. So what answers NUMBERS? MFIN NUMBERS!!!

Take for instance, a prime number. THis number is prime. WHy? Because no other number divides evenly in to it other than one. Now I task you: Solve why 3 is prime. Huh? "Numbers" Thats the answer.

It's like the grey elephant in Denmark joke. Some numbers, when brought through an equation, produce number,

Wooooooooooooooooow!! The crowd awed.

What was graphed? Numbers? oh, they graphed a graph? wow.
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You sound like one of my students. Next ask when will I use this in real life?

I would give you a point for an interesting answer…
 
bsharp

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Put in -1/3
3(-1/3)+1
-1+1
0 which is neither odd nor even…
Anyway, 0/2 is 0. Game over.
They didn’t specify integers, did they?

Nope - pick a number, any number.
 
coalcracker

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medic38572 said:
The Simplest Math Problem No One Can Solve - Collatz Conjecture
The Collatz Conjecture is the simplest math problem no one can solve — it is easy enough for almost anyone to understand but notoriously difficult to solve.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=094y1Z2wpJg

RT22:08
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Excellent OP. Thanks for posting it. Clearly, the Creator of the Cosmos speaks in many ways, and this is yet another way, for those who have ears to hear.

Sort of a mystical application: All numbers find their way back to 1. Some do so in just a few steps; others take many, many steps. The outlier, the number that cannot be reduced to 1, that’s out there too, though we have not yet discovered it. Call it “Satan,” and know that somehow that number fell from the pattern.
 
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