DISASTER Here's How Bad a Nuclear War Would Actually Be

jward

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Here's How Bad a Nuclear War Would Actually Be​

Max Tegmark


We know that an all-out U.S.-Russia nuclear war would be bad. But how bad, exactly? How do your chances of surviving the explosions, radiation, and nuclear winter depend on where you live? The past year’s unprecedented nuclear saber-rattling and last weekend’s chaos in Russia has made this question timely. To help answer it, I’ve worked with an amazing interdisciplinary group of scientists (see end credits) to produce the most scientifically realistic simulation of a nuclear war using only unclassified data, and visualize it as a video. It combines detailed modeling of nuclear targeting, missile trajectories, blasts and the electromagnetic pulse, and of how black carbon smoke is produced, lofted and spread across the globe, altering the climate and causing mass starvation.
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As the video illustrates, it doesn’t matter much who starts the war: when one side launches nuclear missiles, the other side detects them and fires back before impact. Ballistic missiles from U.S. submarines west of Norway start striking Russia after about 10 minutes, and Russian ones from north of Canada start hitting the U.S. a few minutes later. The very first strikes fry electronics and power grids by creating an electro-magnetic pulse of tens of thousands of volts per meter. The next strikes target command-and-control centers and nuclear launch facilities. Land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles take about half an hour to fly from launch to target.


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Major cities are targeted both because they contain military facilities and to stymie the enemy’s post-war recovery. Each impact creates a fireball about as hot as the core of the sun, followed by a radioactive mushroom cloud. These intense explosions vaporize people nearby and cause fires and blindness further away. The fireball expansion then causes a blast wave that damages buildings, crushing nearby ones. The U.K. and France have nuclear capabilities and are obliged by NATO’s Article 5 to defend the U.S. so, Russia hits them too. Firestorms engulf many cities, where storm-level winds fan the flames, igniting anything that can burn, melting glass and some metals and turning asphalt into flammable hot liquid.

Unfortunately, peer-reviewed research suggests that explosions, the electromagnetic pulse, and the radioactivity aren’t the worst part: a nuclear winter is caused by the black carbon smoke from the nuclear firestorms. The Hiroshima atomic bomb caused such a firestorm, but today’s hydrogen bombs are much more powerful. A large city like Moscow, with almost 50 times more people than Hiroshima, can create much more smoke, and a firestorm that sends plumes of black smoke up into the stratosphere, far above any rain clouds that would otherwise wash out the smoke. This black smoke gets heated by sunlight, lofting it like a hot air balloon for up to a decade. High-altitude jet streams are so fast that it takes only a few days for the smoke to spread across much of the northern hemisphere.

This makes Earth freezing cold even during the summer, with farmland in Kansas cooling by about 20 degrees centigrade (about 40 degrees Fahrenheit), and other regions cooling almost twice as much. A recent scientific paper estimates that over 5 billion people could starve to death, including around 99% of those in the US, Europe, Russia, and China – because most black carbon smoke stays in the Northern hemisphere where it’s produced, and because temperature drops harm agriculture more at high latitudes.

It’s important to note that huge uncertainties remain, so the actual humanitarian impact could be either better or worse – a reason to proceed with caution. A recently launched $4M open research program will hopefully help clarify public understanding and inform the global policy conversation, but much more work is needed, since most of the research on this topic is classified and focused on military rather than humanitarian impacts.

We obviously don’t know how many people will survive a nuclear war. But if it’s even remotely as bad as this study predicts, it has no winners, merely losers. It’s easy to feel powerless, but the good news is that there is something you can do to help: please help share this video! The fact that nuclear war is likely to start via gradual escalation, perhaps combined by accident or miscalculation, means that the more people know about nuclear war, the more likely we are to avoid having one.

Contact us at letters@time.com.

 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
Timely article.

As I sit here in the smoke-filled atmosphere far from the Canadian wildfires, the thoughts of nuclear winter have been filling my mind. Those wildfires in Canada show us the profound effects of atmospheric smoke, and these effects are certainly troublesome. What would the smoke from a nuclear exchange create? Disturbing to consider…..
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Hmmmm. Guess I better up my preps to the ten year plus mark and dig the bomb shelter a little deeper.

The really sad thing is our illustrious leaders will all bunker down and survive while the rest of us will face the music. That sucks!! Should be the other way around.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Hmmmm. Guess I better up my preps to the ten year plus mark and dig the bomb shelter a little deeper.

The really sad thing is our illustrious leaders will all bunker down and survive while the rest of us will face the music. That sucks!! Should be the other way around.

Ah well. What of it? They buy themselves a few more years on a poisoned earth before they're all shot in the back of the head by their own private security? And then, they face actual judgment.
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Nuclear winter scare effects are very much exaggerated & overrated to enhance the supposed UN-survivablity of nukes, which discourages seeking out and learning how you might could survive them.

Read my linked articles in sig line below.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Hmmmm. Guess I better up my preps to the ten year plus mark and dig the bomb shelter a little deeper.

The really sad thing is our illustrious leaders will all bunker down and survive while the rest of us will face the music. That sucks!! Should be the other way around.

Most of them will probably wind up suiciding or being the target of assassination. They survive because of the way the world is now. They don't have the psyche to survive in a post modern world. Most of them are simply too old and soft to survive in such a world, especially if medical support is their daily need. Lets not forget that everyone will know they were part of the problem that took civilization there. They will not last long one way or another.
 

mikeabn

Finally not a lurker!
Because of better targeting ability smaller nukes or even large conventional weapons are more likely to be used. A 10 or 20 MT city buster leaves little in the event of 'victory ' and nothing in defeat.
 

1911user

Veteran Member
Nuclear winter scare effects are very much exaggerated & overrated to enhance the supposed UN-survivablity of nukes, which discourages seeking out and learning how you might could survive them.

Read my linked articles in sig line below.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
Who dug up Carl Sagan? He was a strong proponent that nuclear winter would destroy all life on Earth. This was debunked in the 1980's IIRC.
 
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raven

TB Fanatic
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Its like they just figured out what Putin meant when he said "Why do we need a world if there is no Russia in it?"

And the Doomsday Clock just keeps on ticking.

:prfl:
 

anna43

Veteran Member
The ones who die instantly will be the lucky ones. Glad I know the Lord Jesus as my Savior. This is a quote, but I don't recall from whom, "you can't threaten me with heaven." The man that said it had a knife pulled on him by a thief. I heard that in a sermon many years ago and it stuck with me.

I pray nuclear war never happens, but with the insanity in the leadership around the world right now, I'm not at all confident it won't.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
What the surviving politicians and elites will look like when they finally emerge from their bunkers.....

iu
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Nuclear winter if enough bombs are set off. Now if a big one is set off and they try to send a few more too close to where they just set one off the other bombs may not go off because of the EMP effects from the first one. Not sure how long it takes for the effects of the EMP from the bomb to fade but 20 minuets comes to mind.
When I was taking a course on the subject of fallout shelters nuclear winter was the worse thing that could happen.
 

jward

passin' thru
What I found curious about the article, and the timing of it's release, is that I thought TIME was one of the mouthpieces of the commie-red-cabal who stole the office.
Since they're the ones who've been refusing to deescalate, and in fact pouring gasoline on the fires at any suggestion they might go out, up to and including trying to sell this nuclear threat- - -why are they concurrently writing an article about how bad such a thing would be? :hmm:
 

one4freedom

Senior Member
Nuclear winter if enough bombs are set off. Now if a big one is set off and they try to send a few more too close to where they just set one off the other bombs may not go off because of the EMP effects from the first one. Not sure how long it takes for the effects of the EMP from the bomb to fade but 20 minuets comes to mind.
When I was taking a course on the subject of fallout shelters nuclear winter was the worse thing that could happen.
The Hemp E3 pulse may last up to several seconds. The reason they group missile silos close together is the debris in the fireball cloud would destroy a missile coming in at very high speed but allow a nearby undamaged missile silo the chance to launch. The missiles would be built to not be affected by EMP. Practical Disaster Preparedness for the Family has some devices for mitigating EMP effects. I think if I understand it right the long one the E3 happens in HEMP due to the magneto hydrodynamic effects of gamma radiation above the atmosphere then the effects on entering the atmosphere or can be caused by the solar mass ejection which is different in that Solar storm only causes the E3 without the E1 or E2 pulse but can go on for a very much longer E3.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Most of them will probably wind up suiciding or being the target of assassination. They survive because of the way the world is now. They don't have the psyche to survive in a post modern world. Most of them are simply too old and soft to survive in such a world, especially if medical support is their daily need. Lets not forget that everyone will know they were part of the problem that took civilization there. They will not last long one way or another.
They are already moving to New Zealand...
 

SurvivalRing

Rich Fleetwood - Founder - author/coder/podcaster
Absolute last concern on my radar.

It’s a psyop.
Let’s look at this…from the perspective of someone that has studied these issues for a quarter century. Also, the fact that it’s that communist toilet paper “time”…I wouldn’t even use that rag to start a fire. The writing on this article is atrocious.

Starting in the late fifties through the eighties, nuclear war planners did all their survivability planning based on an exchange of 6,000 gigatons of weapons. That’s a lot,..but still much less energy than the massive earthquake and tsunami of December 2004, which had a magnitude of 9.2, being the third strongest earthquake ever measured in all of human history.

The planet is a living, breathing being, and the total stored energy at any given moment, on any given day, is incalculable and to think that we puny humans could massively change that through our war efforts is hilarious.

The entire idea of “nuclear winter” was put together by scientists, including Carl Sagan, based on a faulty model of planet Earth. This model did not rotate nor have simulated winds. Yes, I’m being serious.

Given these very basic bits of info, and the fear mongering that our nation (and ALL leftists in general) repeat, day after day, year after year, throw at us every day, the research that folks like Cresson Kearney (author of Nuclear War Survival Skills), survival of nuclear war is actually way easier than Time, or our government, would have you believe.

As someone who put together a wealth of digital info on ALL kinds of threats to human existence, totalling 25,000 unique titles, with 3.2 million printable pages, weighing in at 32 gigabytes of info, I have personally put more nuclear survival online than any individual in the last two decades,

Anyone that purchased the CD/DVD version of my library, won’t you please respond with what info you found most useful in your copy of my data…
 
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zeker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Timely article.

As I sit here in the smoke-filled atmosphere far from the Canadian wildfires, the thoughts of nuclear winter have been filling my mind. Those wildfires in Canada show us the profound effects of atmospheric smoke, and these effects are certainly troublesome. What would the smoke from a nuclear exchange create? Disturbing to consider…..
I have had a forest fire just north of me (30 miles)

for over a month

only last week did I smell/see any smoke

and that was on overcast days
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
I have had a forest fire just north of me (30 miles)

for over a month

only last week did I smell/see any smoke

and that was on overcast days
Yes, that is the result I would expect, yet one must ask, what is happening with these recent multi-state smoke situations? What is causing this? If not Canadian wildfires, what?

Personally, I have built two fallout shelters. One in each of the basements of both houses where I have resided as an adult. My goal is to protect my family against all threats. I’m team Cresson Kearney, not at all team Carl Sagan.

Yet, these extensive atmospheric smoke events, which have now struck Central PA twice, are first-hand experiences that are raising questions. I have seen the smoke cover not just the valleys, but also the mountains. I have smelled it. If Canadian wildfires can do this, I wonder what the uncontrolled firestorms after multiple nuclear detonations might cause?

I sit on my back porch drinking coffee and looking our across the smoke-filled hellscape, and I think about the days of darkness prophecies and the verses of the Bible that speak of signs in the heavens and the sun not giving its light. Apocalyptic thoughts for sure.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Yes, that is the result I would expect, yet one must ask, what is happening with these recent multi-state smoke situations? What is causing this? If not Canadian wildfires, what?

Personally, I have built two fallout shelters. One in each of the basements of both houses where I have resided as an adult. My goal is to protect my family against all threats. I’m team Cresson Kearney, not at all team Carl Sagan.

Yet, these extensive atmospheric smoke events, which have now struck Central PA twice, are first-hand experiences that are raising questions. I have seen the smoke cover not just the valleys, but also the mountains. I have smelled it. If Canadian wildfires can do this, I wonder what the uncontrolled firestorms after multiple nuclear detonations might cause?

I sit on my back porch drinking coffee and looking our across the smoke-filled hellscape, and I think about the days of darkness prophecies and the verses of the Bible that speak of signs in the heavens and the sun not giving its light. Apocalyptic thoughts for sure.


Today I'm not so sure we will get a warning or heads up that we are under attack! Our elected officials will be busy saving their own asses to worry about the country even state government's will not know what's coming.
 
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