[GVT] FED Weapon Scanner

Army Girl

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Weapon-scanner raises Constitutional concern



BOULDER, Colo., May 30 (UPI) -- A federal agency is developing a radar-like device that uses electromagnetic waves to
peer through clothing and detect concealed weapons from up to 15 meters (50 feet) away.

News of the planned system comes amid national angst over domestic terrorism while adding a new dimension to the debate
over the Constitutionality of high-tech policing practices.

Government sources said they hope to have a working prototype of the device by year's end. The apparatus could one day be
mounted on police vehicles and driven through unruly crowds to spot individuals carrying guns, knives and perhaps even plastic
explosives.

Engineers at the National Institute of Standards and Technology's Boulder, Colo. office are developing the technology with
funding from the National Institute of Justice and the Federal Aviation Administration. NIST is a non-regulatory federal agency.

The technology is based upon a radar-like apparatus that illuminates groups of people with low-level electromagnetic waves
that penetrate clothing but reflect off objects concealed beneath them. The reflected energy is collected, focused onto a
detector array and ultimately transformed into an image that is displayed on a policeman's laptop, said sources at NIST.

However, "When does a technology-based search constitute a search for constitutional purposes? How do you evaluate the
level of intrusiveness?" posed James Dempsey of the Center for Democracy and Technology, a Washington-based privacy
group.

Dempsey said U.S. courts have held that airport metal detectors do not violate the Fourth Amendment about unreasonalbe
search and seizure in part because such searches are overt and minimally intrusive, and because individuals have a choice not to
board an airplane.

"In this case, your right to be in the street and particularly your right to protest is more significant than the right to get on a jet
plane. Furthermore, the use of this device is not overt and there is no warning of it. Already, there are two strikes against it," he
told United Press International.

"My concern is over the way we think about these technological tools," said Kristian Miccio, professor of law from Western
State University College of Law in Fullerton, Calif. "I fear we will put the concept of unruly crowds and crime on the back
burner while putting the technologies to enhance law enforcement on the front burner.

"In our fear of crime and terrorism, we are giving up so many freedoms we haven't thought about," she continued in a telephone
interview with UPI. "We have to decide what kind of culture and society we want to live in, that is, what are we willing to
sacrifice in a war on crime."

The system uses a high-powered, commercially available power source that operates at 95 gigahertz in a pulsed mode. NIST
engineers said that such a power range would not impact human health or cause stoppages in pacemakers.

"What we are doing is more along lines of radar," said Erich Grossman, a NIST researcher on the project. "We illuminate an
area with high frequency radiation or three-millimeter-wavelength millimeter waves. That allows us to see details but anything
finer than three millimeters we won't see."

While millimeter waves do not penetrate deep into human tissue, the device could conceivable detect, say, a metal plate near
the surface of an individual's skin, said Grossman. But, he said, the system produces images of objects rather simply detecting
them, which would allow officers to discriminate between benign objects and weapons.

Grossman said the device is more powerful than airport metal detectors.

"That's because our system doesn't require a cooperative subject," he said. "In other words, it's not a portal-based system
where a subject has to cooperatively walk through a particular area. That is not intent of this program."

He said the device could operate in two modes. It can image an area two meters in diameter, which could cover one or two
people. If the system detects a hotspot on a particular individual, the operator can zoom in more closely.

Experts said legal considerations over such a device are analogous to those involved in a case currently pending before the
Supreme Court.

Police in 1992 arrested an Oregon man after authorities used a high-tech device to sense invisible heat waves emanating from
his home. Police subsequently obtained a search warrant and found a marijuana growing operation. The suspect, Kyllo, claimed
the search violated the Fourth Amendment prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure.

"Like the Kyllo case, here is another technology that raises what is currently a major issue under the Fourth Amendment," said
Dempsey.

"There are many things to consider such as how intrusive is this search? Is it like taking a person's clothes off? Can the police
see a people's body or do they only get an image of the weapon? Those are factual questions that make a difference in how it is
accessed from a privacy standpoint," he said.

When asked if officers would be able to see a detailed image of a human body, Grossman said that in theory engineers could
incorporate a digital camera into the device, allowing the millimeter image to be superimposed over an optical image. Such a
move would let officers see a person's body in detail.

"In a practical system you could certainly do that, but we are not planning to do that with the prototype," Grossman said.

Officials at the National Institute of Justice and the Federal Aviation Administration said they could not provide comment by
press time.

The agencies have funded the project to the tune of $200,000 a year for about three years, said Grossman.
 

Synap

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The system uses a high-powered, commercially available power source

I believe they call it a microwave oven. While yes, 95ghz doesn't penetrate deeply, ya don't have to to affect an eyeball. Or, the largest body organ..the skin. Then there's the external sex organs.

Then too seems I've seen that MW range mentioned in the mind control patents for inserting voices wirelessly into the brain..

Try this experiment. Put a small glass of water in a MW oven, lay an old pants zipper next to it and punch in 15 secs or so. Oh yeah be sure to lay 'em on a disposable non-flamable plate. There will be some fireworks.

Now think about some jewelry..like a fine chain necklace, or earrings.

CDRom disks and mag-tapes are fun too. Bit messy tho.

hehe..got velcro? got tinfoil? :lol
 

Bill Clo

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Wonder how feasible it'd be to make clothing out of a mylar-based fabric? Take the wind right out of their sails. :)

Yes, it doesn't sound too safe to projecting such a beam at us...but since when have TPTB cared about our safety anyways? All about control.
 

grannyclampett

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So many times we do things because we can without regard to whether or not we should. I hope this doesn't get shoved to the back page without everyone reading it. IMO, this IS a big deal.
 

dinky

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While there is work going on to develop radar backscatter devices to view beneath clothing, that capability already exists with FLIR handheld or vehicle mounted devices.

Anything between skin and the outer clothing will reduce the rate of heat transfer to the outer clothing and that will show up as a temperature difference.

Commercial FLIR detects one fifth degree C difference in surface temps, and mil units detect one twentieth degree.

FLIR works in daylight. If will be defeated in sunlight if the sun is shining on the clothing for that would raise the temp so much that the transfer from skin would be swamped, USUALLY, not always.

As to expecting relief from courts that is not likely to come.

Courts have consistently held that our rights are not supreme but are subservient to government convenience and necessity.

In later cases the pretention that we have rights has all but gone. Judges now overtly ignore rights as do legislators.

They are gradually getting us used to the coming "democratic" dictatorship under a United World central government. That is a done deal after the 6 Sep 00 adoption of a world governance charter for UN in NYC. Clinton was there do volunteer your acceptance of that charter which was adopted by acclamation, by some 150 or so world leaders brought there to commit their nations whether they had any authority to do that or not.

Reports I have been able to get from persons who claim to know some about it are that charter requires that all weapons be removed from all persons except UN standing army and UN police.

It would be nice to find a copy of it that was not faked.

I understand that in Canada when provincial governors raised a cry about the copies of treaty agreements they had signed being different than those adopted by the federal government up there, the one adopted was classified and hidden so no on can see it now. Turns out the governors were given faked documents to sign, and their signature pages were added to the real one with all the things in it they had refused to accept.

That is only relevant to this post in that it tells you very clearly what kind of people you are dealing with. Nothing is beneath them, nor will anything be allowed to stand in their way, if they can bribe it, threaten it, imprison it falsely, or all else failing kill it.

Those who are not yet aware of the nature of their adversary may still cry, vote, speak,
reason, negotiate, be civil, placate, seek court assistance, to the more aware ones who are locked and loaded waiting for the trigger that is to come.

Anyway one who thinks they can wander about now with concealed contraband on their persons need to realize you better make its outline look like something that will be excused as harmless. It CAN be seen NOW, adn FLIR is rapidly being adopted by enforcement agencies, as its cost drops.
 

Gods1sheep

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This is a repeat of my earlier post on the subject. Please combine. Thanks.

[ 05-31-2001: Message edited by: Gods1sheep ]
 

Synap

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good points! hehe, I love the special knowledges available on this BBS. Y'all always get me thinking and retinking!

I'll throw up some random seeingly disassociated infos and ??s...

30-300ghz (EHF) ..300ghz seems to be the arbitrary dividing line to what is considered infrared (300 GHz to 810 THz)(1)

95ghz is a freq used in/with MASERS (aka Infrared Lasers) also aka Doppler Radar? is this why DRs show so well on weather sat infrared scans?(2) According to freq allocation (ie, 10ghz and above)..aka Missle Defense Shield?(3)

perhaps the FLIR system operates in/near this spectrum also?

If this is correct then the weapons scanner (and perhaps the MDS detection system) operates on the principle of "it's not water (HOx), so it must be mineral"...using that to discriminate.

Mineral detection/discrimination chips have been around for quite awhile. Looks as if we're adding a laser component as a longer range focusing capability, tied to computer processing to imaging.

seems water vapor limits/reflects..sorta opaque at 95ghz? As compared to absorbsion (MW oven)? This may be where/why the engineers are claiming no-harm? Question is...does it, or not? Seems to me there is growing evidence that low-current electromagnetics have powerful effects on the animal body/brain/system and it's EM field(s).

(1) http://www.geo-orbit.org/sizepgs/spectrumchartp.html
(2) http://www.coseti.org/schawlow.htm
(3) http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/nebbia.html
Laser/Maser history http://home.achilles.net/~jtalbot/history/masers.html
 

Kook

A 'maker', not a 'taker'!
Could you carry a foil outline of a Glock in your pocket, and then crunch it up as you're being arrested? You could flush out the monitoring effort that way.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
The info on the UN new charter is in the archives. Since Dennis and Kris are moving them it'll be a bit before the links can be found, unless we have archive-divers who can ferret out the link posts...


Chuck
 

dinky

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If you want to understand FLIR and NV go here http://www.nlectc.org/

and download their pdf document
Scoping out Night Vision, March 1996

When in the adobe PDF page find FLIR and it will tell you all about it.

FLIR operates at the 12 to 15 micron wavelength. Thats about 2x 10to the 13 power
written as 2E13 Hz. or about 20 million megahertz.

That wavelength will pass through thin polyethytlene plastic (garbage bags etc) easily with very little loss if its kept below about 4 mills thick.

It won't go through most other clear plastics and not through glass at all.

It works on the surface temperature of what it is looking at, and the brightness of the scene is related both to temperature and the emmission efficiency of the surface.

It detects any variation in surface radiation which will show up on a TV like picture as either darker or lighter shades. People glow bright white, as do furred animals.
Since cloth is only about 80% or so fabric and the rest air spaces FLIR can see through all but dense clothing to see the skin. The skin is bright to FLIR.

As a working point if you could see 15 micron wavelengths (way redder than the reddest you can see) the human body would look about like a blow up plastic life size doll with a hundred watt light bulb burning inside it. Think casper the ghost.

Anyway for those worrying about his very real threat to those wanting to sneak about or hide, that source above is one of the best I have found so far.
 

Synap

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thanx dink..good link. Lottsa other interesting stuff too.

I'm not much personally worried about hiding stuff (don't got none) but the creeping accumulation of all these EM gizmos being pointed at us is.

Maybe each one by itself may be relatively non-harmful for the majority of folks. But some will be affected, in a manner hard to prove specific damage, and then there's the interaction of devices and cummulative effects.
 

Hamilton Felix

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As these d****d intrusive manifestations of our technology become more widespread, I foresee a lucrative market in "shield" clothing. I want a "stealth jacket," so my favorite .45 or knife or even my money does not show.

And I have thought before about the foil cutout of a pistol. The idea is to try to get EVERYONE to carry one or two, so the snoops with the scanners go nuts. Put out instructions and periodically varying patterns using the internet. :D

Remember, anything the cops have, the robbers will soon also have. :(

[ 05-31-2001: Message edited by: Hamilton Felix ]
 
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