growing medicinal herbs for when we can't buy our favorite OTC drugs

nchomemaker

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I have a nice little herb garden started. Mosly they are culinary herbs, some also have a medicinal purpose.
But I'm really thinking of growing more herbs for medicinal value for when tshtf, and we can't run out and buy our favorite over the counter medicines.

I do know that it's important to do homework first to find out if a certain herb will even grow in your area, how to grow it and how to use it.

I strongly recommend getting a good herb book, doing research on the net, and passing along knowledge on this thread.

One that I'm going to plant next is feverfew. I have monthly migraines and there is new research that says this herb if taken on a regular basis may help to prevent migraines. That is exciting to me because I have not found anything else that helps.

It's also said to help with arthritis which I also have.

I presently grow St. John's Wort and Lemon Balm both of which help with mild depression.

the mints are suppose to ease digestion problems.

Any herbalists here? I sure would like to have recommendations on what and how to grow some other herbs from first hand knowledge.
 

theoutlands

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Well, Ldyh the Pregnant One is asleep or I would sit her down to answer you forthwith. However, I can at least *start* you on some advice. Go to http://www.herbalhealer.com and order HHA's Herbology course. It is a study-at-home course of 22 lessons, each of which has a hands-on component. You will learn how to handle many different types of herbs as well as how to tend them. You'll be introduced to several different books as part of the course, as well. It is a fantastic course and at the successful completion, you will be a Certified Herbologist (I forget the exact affiliations, but there are groups of people out there who will look at your credentials and count you as "one of us"). Very good training and LdyH is pursuing her ND training thru them. HHA's owner is prep-friendly and just friendly all the way around. If you do check them out, just tell Dr. McCain we sent ya.

Good training is an absolute MUST.
 

summerthyme

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Here in zone 5, my medicinal herb gardens (I tend to naturalize the stuff all over the farm- it saves weeding, and can save a population if some part gets diseased or the cows find it!) contain the following:

skullcap (scutellaria lateriflora). THE best "nervine" and calmative I've found.

Lemon Balm- also a mild tranquilizer, but is effective against some viruses, as well. I make lip balms with it for cold sores.

Black Peppermint- powerful mint which is good for digestion, can help clear your sinuses, and is good for flavoring herb teas which have other, less tasty herbs.

Catnip... mostly a beverage tea, but seems to helps colds and flu.

Garlic- the most potent antibiotic you can grow.

Lovage- mostly culinary, but is a warming digestive as well.

Calendula- the petals are a powerful antiseptic and anti infective. I grow a bunch of them for use in a soak I use for infections.

Chamomile-excellent beverage tea. Good for digestion and can help calm someone and help them sleep.

Dandelion- early spring salad herb, the root is an excellent blood cleanser, diruetic and liver stimulant.

Black Cohosh- woman's herb, especially for menopause.

Dill- the seeds work great for nausea and gas.

Echinacea- both roots and above ground parts help boost the immune system

Elecampane- excellent decongestant, helps when lungs are congested.

Feverfew- headache remedy, especially for migraines

Hyssop- for a soothing tea.

Joe Pye weed- old remedy for many infectious diseases.

Lavender- nervine. Also the essential oil is strongly anti bacterial. It's also valuable for covering odors, like in a sick room.

Marshmallow- very soothing, excellent for gastritis and also bladder irritations.

Nettle- High in iron and vitamin C. Excellent nutritious food. Some people swear by it for arthritis.

Oats- a tincture of the green oats is helpful for some "mens" problems.

Pennyroyal- I grow it for bug repellent.

St. Johnswort- a valuable anti-depressive. But the oil (made from the flowering tops, soaked in a good oil) is valuable for treating burns and skin conditions.

Thyme and/or oregano- both are powerful antibiotics, the essential oils especially.

Valerian- a tranquilizer and nervine, although I prefer skullcap.

Yarrow- dried flowers and tops, crushed, will stop almost any bleeding. It's also strongly antiseptic.

I also harvest wild black cherry bark for coughs. Coltsfoot is also useful for coughs, but has the same problems with possibly causing a rare, fatal liver disease as comfrey. Use it VERY sparingly, and with care.

Comfrey is valuable, but is not recommended for internal use.

Horseradish, as well as being a great culinary item, can be used topically to increase circulation and treat aches and pains.

Wild sweet violets are edible- and tasty. But I also make a tincture from them and add it to my homemade cough syrup. They are very soothing.

Shepherds Purse is a strong styptic or bleeding control. A tincture made from the fresh plant is much more powerful than using the dry plant.


Lobelia inflata is anti spasmodic, but is also very powerful. Use CAREFULLY if you must.

Yellow dock is another liver tonic, blood purifier, bitter herb

Hawthorne is an excellent heart herb. Fairly safe and mild (compare to Foxglove, for one example) it can help regulate irregular heartbeats, and help relieve congestive heart failure.

A couple I can't grow- saw palmetto. I keep dried berries on hand. It's probably the best herb for prostate problems that there is.

Milk thistle seed- powerful liver protectant and even can help the liver restore and heal after serious problems.

Licorice root- THE best solution for severe gastritis, acid reflux, etc. It will heal stomach ulcers, often faster than Rx stuff. You need to be careful about how much you use, as it can affect the adrenals and cause some people to retain water and possibly raise their blood pressure.

Rose hips- excellent wild vitamin C source, add it to teas for colds and flu.

Elderberry- valuable herb for influenza.

Raspberry- leaves are excellent for pregnant women and for during labor.

Blackberry leaves can help stop diarrhea.

There are many others. You'll find as you get educated and experiment, that you develop favorites which work especially well for you and your family. Don't assume that "natural" means "safe"- not always true. And remember that ANYONE can develop an allergy to anything, and be alert for signs of problems. It's best to not start a treatment regieme (unless you are very experienced) even on yourself by starting several different herbs at once. If you have some adverse reactions, or you start feeling worse, it's difficult to track down exactly what- or what interactions- is causing it. The safest way to use medicinal herbs if you aren't very well educated about them is the old "simples" method. Use one herb at a time, by itself and give it a chance before adding more.

Just the time I spend working in my gardens; planting, weeding, harvesting... is therapeutic.

Summerthyme
 

delta lady

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A couple I can't grow- saw palmetto.
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Once that took root in my yard...can't get rid of it.....

glad to know it has a purpose...:bg:
 

tropicalfish

Veteran Member
summerthyme,
Where can you purchase the seeds/plants to grow in a garden? And how much of a medicinal garden would you need to sustain a family of 5?
 

housemouse

Membership Revoked
Some will say "There she goes again", but Johnny's Seeds in Maine has an excellent selection of herb seeds, and their catalog is a great source of information about what each herb needs, where it gorws best, and light/soil requirements.

http://www.johnnyseeds.com
 

summerthyme

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jaquej is right- Johnny's has an excellent selection of seeds. Richters in Canada is even better, if you don't/can't start your own seeds. They sell plants of all kinds of stuff... even varieties you never knew existed!

"How much for a family of 5" is REALLY tough. Depends- does one have asthma, a couple have diabetes and the rest have the typical American problems? Or are they all basically healthy, but daredevils? :rolleyes:

For a basically healthy family, you probably mostly want stuff to treat common cold and flu symptoms, cuts and scrapes... normal, everyday life stuff. Plus some basic nervines or tranquilizers for stressful times.

You don't need much. A few St. Johnswort plants will provide enough herb for one person for a year easily. Ditto skullcap, which is one I believe to be indispensible if hard times come.

A couple of mint plants will multiply and take over if you're not careful. That's one reason I naturalize so much of my herb plantings.. if the mint spreads down by the pond, that's fine.

Lemon Balm will also volunteer and seed everywhere. Again, no big deal.

You can probably plant most anything you need in a 5' X 20' area, putting the tall stuff towards the back, letting thyme and oregano creep around in between the larger plants.

Calendula is a very pretty little annual flower- they call it Pot Marigold, although it's not related to the Tagetes species at all. But it is at least as pretty as almost any annual flower you can buy or plant.

Figure out what OTC and Rx drugs you already use often or occasionally. Research the herbs and see what you could replace the purchased stuff with. An excellent basic level reference for that is "The Herbal Drugstore" by Linda White MD, and Steven Foster.

Then figure out a spot where you can plant them. You may also have to research the plant needs- some can tolerate shade, most need quite a bit of sun. Start small- most perennial herbs will multiply and you can divide them later and enlarge your plantings if you find you need more of a certain plant.

And plan on growing fresh stuff every year. If you make tinctures (some plants are better for that than others) they will stay potent for up to several years. But plain dried leaves or plant parts "expire" in a year, more or less. As long as you can grow your own, that's not a problem... dump them into the compost and start fresh.

Oh- and beware! Growing your own medicines can be addicting:lol:

Summerthyme
 

nchomemaker

Veteran Member
Thank you for all the responses so far.

I saved the web site, checked out the correspondance course, it really looks interesting, will look into it further.

Thank you for that great list of herbs and what they do, and the time you took to post it.
 

tropicalfish

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"How much for a family of 5" is REALLY tough. Depends- does one have asthma, a couple have diabetes and the rest have the typical American problems? Or are they all basically healthy, but daredevils?

Well, in this family we do have asthma, diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholestrol, and anxiety attacks. Then the typical American problems as you stated. DH has RSD (reflex sympathetic dstrophy) which there is no cure for and he experiences tremendous pain, numbness, loss of left leg use, he's on disability. I'm a breast cancer survivor... not the healthiest family in the world, but we are alive. :)

nchomemaker. thanks for starting this thread, it is great! I would love to take the herb courses, but can't afford to. I'm hoping to learn as much from the net as possible and read the books I have, but I can be dense sometimes and not understand it all without some help.
 

booger

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Deleting my post here because it was a bit of drift so I'll just start a new thread with my question. :)
 
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Angel Lady

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summerthyme said:
jaquej is right- Johnny's has an excellent selection of seeds. Richters in Canada is even better, if you don't/can't start your own seeds. They sell plants of all kinds of stuff... even varieties you never knew existed!


Does Richters have a website?

Thankyou for all the information on uses for herbs. By the way, do you know of one that is good for gallbladder attacks?


Angel Lady
 

summerthyme

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Angel Lady- the traditional herbs for gallbladder problems are mostly "cleansing" herbs... dandelion, especially. Milk thistle is a tremendous liver support herb, which also is known to reduce the cholesterol concentration in the bile- which can reduce the incidence of gallstones.

Turmeric (yes, the common kitchen spice) is a powerful anti-inflammatory, but it also has cholesterol lowering properties. Studies have shown that it increases the ability of bile to dissolve cholesterol and calcium- which, again, should reduce gallstone formation. I'd hazard a guess that it's anti-inflammatory properties would be valuable to heal an inflamed gallbladder, as well.

Bitter herbs- dandelion, artichoke, many others- stimulate bile production, and should be taken before meals to help "jump start" the digestive process.

And one other- peppermint oil- seems to help dissolve gallstones. It also tends to be anti spasmodic, which would probably be helpful with the pain of gallbladder problems. It's best taken in enteric coated capsules, though, for this... so it doesn't just disappear into the stomach, but actually gets through to where the problem is.

This is NOT medical advice, and I can't even speak from experience, because I've never had gallbladder problems. But I have used milk thistle, to heal a badly insulted liver after a year of heavy duty drug therapies for a life threatening infection.

And I sometimes believe we've only scratched the surface as far as the uses of turmeric.. it's really an amazing herb.

One other thing- if you don't take a good multivitamin (at least!), consider doing so. Higher doses of anti-oxidant vitamins- C and E especially- are important for health.

There are other "remedies" out there- I've seen lecithin mentioned several times, and essential fatty acids as well. But the big factor seems to be making sure your bile production is high enough to keep it flushing out the waste, rather than forming stones with it.

Summerthyme
 

nchomemaker

Veteran Member
Okay, I went to the HerbalHealer web site posted above, and read more. At first glance, I thought oh dear I cannot afford this course. But after reading about the Herbology course itself, I think it just may be doable.

It's 20.00 a lesson with 22 lessons, but you can go at your own pace and as your budget allows. In other words whenever ya get an extra 20.00 bucks! That sounds like I could do that. It really sounds neat.

The course comes with lessons, projects, herbs are supplied, personalized tutorship and final exam.

So a little at a time and even if I can't make it through the entire couse and take the final exam, I'm thinking I will have gained a lot of knowledge with even a few of the lessons.

Also going to order seeds from Johnnies and start them inside. I've gotten quite good at starting veggie seeds inside so will try a few kinds of herbs.

Thanks again for the posts ya'll have made to this thread.
 

tropicalfish

Veteran Member
Angel Lady said:
Does Richters have a website?

Thankyou for all the information on uses for herbs. By the way, do you know of one that is good for gallbladder attacks?


Angel Lady

Angel Lady, I've been doing some web surfing tonight on herbs and found this for you. Hope it is of some help.
I am really excited about all the sites I came across tonight.

http://www.snh.cc/appendix.htm#a_few_herbal_combinations

3. Formula for liver-gall bladder. To speed up the blood purifying process, it is good to have a clean liver and gall bladder area. When the liver does not function properly, the bile does not excrete freely into the intestinal tract, and so it passes off into the blood stream and throughout the rest of the system, causing a toxic condition called cholemia, causing indigestion, sluggishness, fatigue, constipation, upset stomach, chills, vomiting and fever. Why wait until it gets to this condition? A combination of barberry (or Oregon grape root) and each of the following herbs--wild yam, cramp bark, fennel seed, ginger, catnip and peppermint will help relieve this condition.

Suggested dose: 1 cup of the tea or one or two capsules or 15 to 30 drops of the glycerine based extract, 15 or 20 minutes before a meal. Sources: Barberry LG, Hepatean, LG.
 

Angel Lady

Deceased
Thankyou Summerthyme and tropicalfish for the information. I will certainly give some of these a try.


Angel Lady
 

CopperTopMom

Contributing Member
Thanks for starting this thread

I had seen this thread for a day or two and not got around to looking at it, finally did and am I ever glad! That herbology course sounds really interesting, it looks like something that I would enjoy getting into. We (I) have been getting more and more interested in organics and alternatives to "traditional" medicines. Our ds has ADHD and dd2 may have it as well, we are very interested in doing all we can to help them through diet etc. He is currently on ritalin and it is a huge help for him but we would like to see that he could come off it at some point.

The timing is right for me as well. I have been struggling under a dark cloud it seems like for at least 2 years (some of the stuff was going on for longer than that) and am finally starting to feel like I am coming out from under it. Our youngest is starting Gr 1 in the fall and I am ready to start exercising my brain again for other that the needs of pre-schoolers and pre-teens. I also like that the course can be done a lesson at a time as I can afford it.


Again thanks for starting this! :)

Coppertopmom
 

delta lady

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Turmeric (yes, the common kitchen spice) is a powerful anti-inflammatory, but it also has cholesterol lowering properties. Studies have shown that it increases the ability of bile to dissolve cholesterol and calcium- which, again, should reduce gallstone formation. I'd hazard a guess that it's anti-inflammatory properties would be valuable to heal an inflamed gallbladder, as well.

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how would you take this...
 

summerthyme

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Delta Lady- I make capsules up with it. I'm not sure if capsules are available commercially or not- but it seems like they would be.

Of course, you can add it to your cooking and make a lot of curries!

As a side note, turmeric, made into a salve with salt or slaked lime (don't ask me why- that's how they do it in traditional Ayurvedic medicine) is absolutely amazing at healing things like bad sprains, torn ligaments and other swollen, inflamed injuries.

I mix it up about 2:1 (2 cups of turmeric to 1 of salt) and then add it to either vaseline or one of my herb salves. I've used it on cows who had badly torn ligaments (and heavy animals simply don't heal these well- you can't very well get them to use crutches for a month, after all!) and seen truly stunning results.

An example: a 2 year old heifer who pinched a nerve in her spine when she was having a big calf trashed the ligaments in her hock struggling to stand. The leg was literally 2X normal size, and the hock was so unstable that I could move the joint with my hands in any direction. NOT good.

I didn't think we'd save her (to the extent that we'd be able to breed her back and keep her) but was hoping that we could at least keep her able to stand up on her own and hopefully get so she could limp out onto pasture. I applied the turmeric salve and a soft cast. She was able to use the leg better immediately, thanks to the support the cast gave her, and I sort of assumed that was the major reason she was walking a LOT better within 48 hours. About a week later, the cast had gotten loose, and I was going to replace it. When I cut it off, I was literally shocked- the swelling was GONE, and all of the laxness in the joint was gone! I applied the salve every few days for another month, and she just had a lovely big calf again last month. Not a sign that she ever hurt the leg at all!

Now, this stuff stains your skin bright orange- yellow, so it's not as popular for people, but if it's a choice between something healing or not- especially for those without medical insurance... I'd cover the odd colors with a bandage and use it!

Summerthyme

oh. you can get empty gelatin capsules at http://www.atlanticspice.com and they also have an inexpensive little rack called the "cap n seal" which holds 50 capsules at a time for easy filling. It's handy to be able to make your own, especially if you grow any of your own herbs

edited to add: sorry, forgot! About 1-3 capsules of turmeric per day should give you the 300-1000 mg recommended
 

tropicalfish

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summerthyme, where did you get your education on herbs and such? Wow, I am very impressed with all your answers on this thread. Your knowledge is awesome. Did you take a course? Do you have your own website? Can I kidnap you for a few days? :D
 

summerthyme

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Tropicalfish- read, read, and read some more! And experimented and practiced...

I'd LOVE to actually get some "real" training, but given the fact that I'm a dairy farmer with 40 cows to milk, as well as a homesteader, that isn't going to happen:(

I started out from sheer necessity- although our family is blessed with excellent health, raising 4 kids without medical insurance meant either doing most things ourselves or going bankrupt. Plus, I can't say I've been impressed with the general quality of the medical care available around here- there are a few excellent doctors, and a lot of really mediocre to poor ones.

And... besides, I'm a bull headed individualist who doesn't believe a lot of what people tell me until I try it myself!

I'm open to being kidnapped- as long as you don't have any cows to milk!:lol:

Seriously, you can learn a LOT by "reading between the lines" and experimenting with many of the herbs. I "discovered" a tincture combination purely by accident that I've never seen recommended anywhere else, and yet it works so well that people *always* come back and ask for more.

It's a simple tincture of lemon balm and peppermint, and it's THE best non-script muscle relaxant (for stuff like back spasms and tension headaches) that I've found. Approximately equal parts of the dry herbs soaked in vodka. Anything up to a tablespoon (diluted in herb tea or lemonade or juice or whatever) does an amazing job on severe back spasms.

It helps that hubby trusts me and is willing to try my various concoctions when he needs something (his comment is, "I guess I've got to trust you, you know ALL the herbs!" And he's right- including the ones which would, shall we say, NOT be beneficial to continued existence...)

And it's helpful to have entire barns full of various animals who can be "experimented" on.. not in the stereotypical "animal experimentation", but because they do end up with all sorts of assorted health issues and injuries which are often simply ignored on many big farms. So, I'm not doing them any harm trying various remedies on them. And occasionally, even I am surprised at how well something works...

Then again, maybe I'm just crazy!

Summerthyme
 

delta lady

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It's a simple tincture of lemon balm and peppermint, and it's THE best non-script muscle relaxant (for stuff like back spasms and tension headaches) that I've found. Approximately equal parts of the dry herbs soaked in vodka. Anything up to a tablespoon (diluted in herb tea or lemonade or juice or whatever) does an amazing job on severe back spasms.

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Would one drink this? :D

Atlanticspice.com is a great website by the way..thanks..GREAT prices...I'm a tea drinker -- those are unbelievable prices...
 

summerthyme

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Delta Lady- well, one COULD:lol:

Seriously, it makes a tasty enough tincture (and I'm not fond of booze in any form) that it actually makes lemonade taste... well, maybe not better, but it doesn't hurt it any.

It doesn't seem to be a combination that *really* would knock you out if you scarfed it down by the ounce. Some herb tinctures (kavakava is one I can think of offhand) would literally knock you on your butt if you overdo it- above and beyond what the alcohol alone will do.

The advantage of using this instead of just drinking booze until you are nice and "relaxed" is a teaspoon or two will give you the muscle relaxation you need, without a hangover the next morning.

I have no clue why it works, but it does.

Glad you like the Atlantic spice site. Their service is excellent as well- and you're right, their prices are very, very good. Also, they have always shipped top quality product- very fresh.

Summerthyme
 

tropicalfish

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summerthyme-
Nope, don't have any cows to milk, but do have 120 guinea pigs to care for. :D Sounds like you have a very busy life schedule. But, maybe I can pick your brain sometime when the need arises. :) Could always use help medicating the guinea pigs and my human guinea pigs I live with.
I am such a coward at trying new things. I'm afraid I'm going to do something wrong and make someone, or some animal sick. Guess I need to build more confidence and read a lot.
Thanks for everything.
 

Susan4

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I have found turmeric in capsules, called Turmeric Force or some such. They bragged on source and that it was juiced from the root etc. If I find it back (just moved so it's packed away) I'll find out who makes it. I think I got in the discount rack at my local health food store.

Tropicalfish...I get to kidnap her next! LOL, I always read all of summerthyme's posts, more practical knowledge there than a shelf-full of books :) And thanks for the tincture recipe!

Susan4
 
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