INTL Greeks Told To Declare Cash "Under The Mattress", Jewelry And Precious Stones

kittyluvr

Veteran Member
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/01/2015 14:26 -0500

When earlier today we read a report in the Greek Enikonomia, according to which Greek taxpayers would be forced to declare all cash "under the mattress" (including inside) or boxes that contain more than 15,000 euros as well as jewelry and precious stones (including gold) worth over 30,000 euros, starting in 2016, we assumed this has to be some early April fools joke or a mistake.

After all, this would be merely the first step toward full-blown asset confiscation, conducted so many times by insolvent governments throughout history, once the government cracks down on those who made a "mistake" in their asset declaration form or simply refuse to fill such a declaration, thereby making all their assets eligible for government confiscation.

It was not a joke.

Here is the take of Keep Talking Greece, whose stunned response mirrors ours.

Cash "under the mattress" totaling more than 15,000 euro, jewelry and other valuable items such as diamonds and gemstones, should be declared to electronic system of tax authorities, Taxisnet, as of 1 January 2016. Next to properties and vehicles and shares, now the taxpayers will also have to declare their deposits. And not only that. They will have to fill if they rent bank lockers and if yes, also the name of the bank and the branch, even if abroad.

A joint ministerial decision issued by the Ministries of Justice and Finance indicates that taxpayers in Greece should add all their valuables into a new category of the tax declaration, the “Assets declaration.”

Specifically, the decision provides that:

“Assets declarations” are submitted electronically and mandatory via Taxisnet.
Starting date for the submission is 1.1.2016

Declared must be cash money if more than 15,000 euro and precious items if their total value exceeds 30,000 euro. These amounts apply cumulatively per household (husband, wife, underage children).

To facilitate the completion of the declaration, data from the income statements (E1 and E9) will be drawn automatically.

Note that this Assets declaration process will initially apply to lawmakers, journalists, public servants etc and is the rehearsal for the creation of the electronic property & assets register that will be extended to all taxpayers.

The new assets declaration form has a total of 56 pages.

The decision has been taken “in the context of support and development of the economy,” the ministers state.

Some thoughts

First of all, the ministerial decision will certainly support and help to growth the noble profession of accountants.

How can a bride know the value of the jewelry her parents-in-law gave as a wedding gift?

If the retail price of X valuable item was 10,000 euro in 2005, what is the value today?

And what will happen if one will not declare his assets? The tax authorities will raid the home and search under the mattress to find grandma’s ring?

Are you kidding me, Greek Syriza state?

PS we should note that this assets declaration was in plan before SYRIZA came into power. Not sure about what minister promoted this, I vaguely reckon it was form New Democracy. Or most likely it was a Troika’s idea in order to grab the so-called ‘black money’ that starts with 15,001 euro in cash and diamonds worth 30,001 euro.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...sh-under-mattress-jewelry-and-precious-stones
 

cooter

cantankerous old coot
start kicking in doors,

and ripping peoples homes apart looking for what ever,

opens the door to all sorts of bad things to happen later on
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Considering the Greek culture, there continual "coping" with a generally messed up system (yeah chicken or egg) and the real memories of occupation by the Turks and the Nazis, this is setting up one heck of an epic fail.
 

Shacknasty Shagrat

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Compare and contrast Greek recovery to the recovery in Iceland.
SS

'November 24, 2015
The Icelandic economy is on track for its strongest growth since 2007 this year although momentum next year will slow as the post-crisis boom fades. It is unclear what impact the ongoing process of removing capital controls will have on growth. FocusEconomics Consensus Forecast panelists expect GDP to expand 4.2% in 2015 and 3.4% in 2016.
http://www.focus-economics.com/countries/iceland

imrs.php

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/17/the-miraculous-story-of-iceland/
 

Starrkopf

Veteran Member
If I lived in greece my reaction (and I hope the reaction of actual greek citizens...) would be to tell the government to go get ******!

This is the sort of thing people need to riot in the streets over not just bend over and take it.
 

somdwatcher

Veteran Member
The Greeks will RUN to Putin and Russia in a heartbeat, if this EU financial beatdown continues, situation just needs a Turkish catalyst.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
There is no way in hell I'd admit to having anything to anyone....ESPECIALLY the government!!
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
Politicians heads on pikes-they got everyone into the mess, let them declare their wealth and contribute it to the public coffers they destroyed. Grow some nads Greecians, do what you gotta do. They sold their last remaining bank yesterday if I understood John Wells' correctly, the people need to emulate Iceland.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
and ripping peoples homes apart looking for what ever,

opens the door to all sorts of bad things to happen later on


sorry cooter - but I've just gotta correct that for you . . .

"ripping peoples homes apart looking for what ever, opens the door to all sorts of bad things to happen

RIGHT F%*KING NOW"
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I suspect this was done at the "demands" from the EU/IMF folks who are frustrated that Greece can't get any blood out of turnips; oh I meant taxes out of broke people in a broken system.

Of course no one in their right mind is going to declare this stuff and/or people will declare a few things to look legit and bury the rest; that is a strong system of a collapsing society which Greece is, and sending the military into look under the bed isn't going to change that.

Greece already tried "collecting" taxes via the electric bills (again pretty much under Bankster orders) and the Powers that Be were "shocked" to discover that people just let the lights be turned off when they couldn't pay the now inflated bills.

Broke and unemployed people don't pay taxes, they do whatever they have to do under the table to survive and if there is anything left they hide it for later.
 

Rastech

Veteran Member
If I lived in greece my reaction (and I hope the reaction of actual greek citizens...) would be to tell the government to go get ******!

This is the sort of thing people need to riot in the streets over not just bend over and take it.

It actually introduces an opportunity for sending in all manner of hilarity, after doing a thorough search under all mattresses and beds in any particular home.

What was found under grandparents mattress, son's mattress, daughter's mattress, under the bed, under the fridge, down the back of the chair.

Destroy the tyrants with vast quantities of time consuming and hilarious paperwork . . . . .

It would be very easy to come up with 50+ pages of paperwork, all of which has to be read.

Now multiply that by every house in Greece.

I would also stopwatch, the time it took to look behind, beside, and under, every single item in the house.

And then attach an invoice for time spent in pursuance of Government instructions.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Ever wonder why these hoards keep showing up from time to time? Think taxes might have had anything to do with it? Photos at the link...
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http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/20/luxury/roman-coins-switzerland-farmer/index.html

Treasure trove: Farmer discovers 4,000 Roman coins in Swiss orchard
By Will Heilpern, CNN

Updated 1756 GMT (0156 HKT) November 22, 2015 | Video Source: CNN

(CNN)—When you spot a glimmering object in your back garden, it rarely ends up being anything more valuable than aluminum-foil.

But one farmer in Switzerland has hit the jackpot after discovering a treasure trove of Roman coins thought to be more than 1,700 years old.

Further excavation -- with the help of the regional archaeological service -- revealed 4,166 coins buried in Ueken, in the northern canton of Aargau, Switzerland.
 

frazbo

Veteran Member
I have sold and pawned just about everything we owned that had any value just to pay the monthly bills here so if they're lookin' for "something", they ain't gonna find it. Mattress? What's a mattress? lol
 

Nowski

Let's Go Brandon!
Coming soon to a FUSA near you, too ...

I have always believed, that the federal government will come house to house,
just like was done during The Middle Ages, to collect anything of value.

The world is entering The New Dark Ages. All it will take now,
will be for the weather to turn bitterly cold like it did during those times.

Regards to all,
Nowski
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Doubt if most Greeks apart from the wealthy have 15,000 under the mattress or 30,000 worth of jewellery. Don't forget there is such a big mark up with jewellery that the second hand value is a fraction of the original retail cost.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Doubt if most Greeks apart from the wealthy have 15,000 under the mattress or 30,000 worth of jewellery. Don't forget there is such a big mark up with jewellery that the second hand value is a fraction of the original retail cost.

This.
Current market value for most of it is going to be for scrap. As depressed as gems and PM's are, when the average person tries to sell, the shop will be paying out about 65% of that day's price.

The stone? Forget about it. Very unlikely the jeweler will be the least bit impressed - and he will have too much inventory already.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
This.
Current market value for most of it is going to be for scrap. As depressed as gems and PM's are, when the average person tries to sell, the shop will be paying out about 65% of that day's price.

The stone? Forget about it. Very unlikely the jeweler will be the least bit impressed - and he will have too much inventory already.

The immediate trader also has to make a profit and he will have to negotiate a realistic price to whatever wholesaler he sells to, so realistically you could buy a wedding ring for 1,000 then sell it for scrap for a mere fraction of the price if you're lucky.

Gold bullion coins might be a better investment option but the seller will always have his markup. That would be my option if I had to, but gold is so expensive that it is not worth it.
 

Bardou

Veteran Member
They got to find it first.

Some people can't think that far ahead apparently. Who leaves valuable stuff laying around for thieves to take? Apparently a lot of people, that's why home invasions are so popular. They can look all they want, they ain't gunna find anything.
 
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