ENVR Greece: Island of Rhodes burning down. Being evacuated.
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Squib
Veteran Member
My sister, niece, her husband, their children and grandchild all live on the mainland. Other than my sister, they’re all Greek.
While they are a couple hundred + miles away from the present danger, I will say from what sis tells me, like many/most countries, ours included, the global influence on their country is trashing a millennia old country and culture.
Take the invasion for example:
My sister and family live outside a small village in the south.
They have goats, sheep, olive groves, grapes, etc.
But being where they are, invading Muslims from Turkey, Albania, Bulgarians, and travelers.
So as small bands of the above illegally enter from the sea looking for food, money, and whatever else invaders seek, the small farmers and left on their own to guard groves & vinyards…as well as their homes, daughters etc.
As rural people, they’re armed and hunt regularly, but how can a family work like dogs all day every day, and keep watch all night every night?
They’re on their own, government is too busy with riots in Athens, etc.
mzkitty
I give up.
Well, let's see what's happening there today so far. I'll spare you the pictures of the dead animals, poor things.
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1683098034450886656
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1683098034450886656
Rhodes fires: Jet2 and TUI flights cancelled as British tourists in limbo
Tourists left in limbo after wildfires spreading across the Greek island forced thousands to flee hotels.
www.bbc.com
Melodi
Disaster Cat
I suspect there may be official parliamentary hearings in the UK after this one. Several issues are going on here. Airlines insist on flying people into a disaster area with no contact numbers and messages telling people they will lose their tickets with no refunds if they don't get don't the planes. They have followed that up by shutting their booths at the airports and then belatedly canceling flights that left people already there, stranded.
This isn't the first time the UK airlines and, worse, the tour companies have dropped the ball, especially on a weekend. No one blames them for the fires, but one tour operator's official guide car told people to walk to the beach and then drove away.
While some people had a good and organized evacuation, others walked miles, carrying children with no water, food, or even proper clothing (some in swimsuits) to the beaches, where they were stranded for hours, barely able to breathe. It is a miracle that so far, no babies, toddlers, elderly or pregnant women haven't died (that could change).\
Meanwhile, some of the "evacuated" Brits and others were rushed out of hotels without luggage or even passports, stood for hours waiting for buses that didn't come, and then walked to the beach. Those who did get evacuated ended up in hotel lobbies, conference rooms, gyms, and other places again, often without water or food since Saturday.
The locals are doing their best while trying to cope with their evacuations and problems. But the UK especially (and several other foreign governments) are going to have to look at changing the way airlines, travel operators, and their embassies/consolates operate even on weekends. You can't just close down your office for the weekend during a disaster in which a number of citizens (not just one) are without passports, food, or supplies.
From what I can tell, yes the Greek/local government was disorganized, and they will need to look at that, both for tourists (in a popular destination) and taking care of their own. But the whole UK tourist, airline industry, and government emergency services need to be investigated after this. The airlines should be required to give refunds in the face of a declared disaster and the tourist companies sued along with criminal endangerment charges for abandoning people who paid them for package tours.
This isn't the first time the UK airlines and, worse, the tour companies have dropped the ball, especially on a weekend. No one blames them for the fires, but one tour operator's official guide car told people to walk to the beach and then drove away.
While some people had a good and organized evacuation, others walked miles, carrying children with no water, food, or even proper clothing (some in swimsuits) to the beaches, where they were stranded for hours, barely able to breathe. It is a miracle that so far, no babies, toddlers, elderly or pregnant women haven't died (that could change).\
Meanwhile, some of the "evacuated" Brits and others were rushed out of hotels without luggage or even passports, stood for hours waiting for buses that didn't come, and then walked to the beach. Those who did get evacuated ended up in hotel lobbies, conference rooms, gyms, and other places again, often without water or food since Saturday.
The locals are doing their best while trying to cope with their evacuations and problems. But the UK especially (and several other foreign governments) are going to have to look at changing the way airlines, travel operators, and their embassies/consolates operate even on weekends. You can't just close down your office for the weekend during a disaster in which a number of citizens (not just one) are without passports, food, or supplies.
From what I can tell, yes the Greek/local government was disorganized, and they will need to look at that, both for tourists (in a popular destination) and taking care of their own. But the whole UK tourist, airline industry, and government emergency services need to be investigated after this. The airlines should be required to give refunds in the face of a declared disaster and the tourist companies sued along with criminal endangerment charges for abandoning people who paid them for package tours.
bracketquant
Veteran Member
Never underestimate the incompetence of some people in government. Maybe someone in authority told others that you aren't supposed to put out a Greece fire with water.
mzkitty
I give up.
Hmmm.........
Hmmmm...........
Hmmm..........
Sure:
‘We shouldn’t be here’: British tourists tell of nightmare in Rhodes fires
Travel company Tui criticised for still flying holidaymakers out to Greek island on Saturday night
www.theguardian.com
mzkitty
I give up.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
There's another dark side to this that almost no one wants to think about. That is because of drought patterns and the neglect of proper forest management throughout the Northern Hemisphere. It is likely that sooner or later, some Island or a large area will have a previously unimaginable firestorm that only stops when it hits the ocean or some other barrier.
In some places like the Greek Islands, parts of Northern California (the US West in General), and similar locations. it is possible that many smaller firestorms could unite and destroy everything for hundreds or even thousands of miles. That seldom happened in previous centuries because man (and often nature) took care of the problem either by harvesting out dead wood and/or by smaller natural fires that started and, while highly destructive in local areas, tended to burn less intensely even if they burned over large areas. Some trees, like the California redwoods, had that built into their genetic reproductive cycle. Since they are some of the oldest varieties of ancient trees still on the planet, this lifecycle counted on millions of years that sort of cyclic fires from every Earth Climate cycle since the dawn of the dinosaurs.
Those natural control mechanisms no longer exist in many places, and when fires occur there, they destroy everything in their path, including burning up redwood trees because they are so intense. If I know about this, and real climate researchers and firefighters know this, you can be sure that terrorists and hostile State and non-State actors also know this.
In some places like the Greek Islands, parts of Northern California (the US West in General), and similar locations. it is possible that many smaller firestorms could unite and destroy everything for hundreds or even thousands of miles. That seldom happened in previous centuries because man (and often nature) took care of the problem either by harvesting out dead wood and/or by smaller natural fires that started and, while highly destructive in local areas, tended to burn less intensely even if they burned over large areas. Some trees, like the California redwoods, had that built into their genetic reproductive cycle. Since they are some of the oldest varieties of ancient trees still on the planet, this lifecycle counted on millions of years that sort of cyclic fires from every Earth Climate cycle since the dawn of the dinosaurs.
Those natural control mechanisms no longer exist in many places, and when fires occur there, they destroy everything in their path, including burning up redwood trees because they are so intense. If I know about this, and real climate researchers and firefighters know this, you can be sure that terrorists and hostile State and non-State actors also know this.
mzkitty
I give up.
Oh yay !! Now the island of Corfu is on fire too !!
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1683235130939252737
www.ekathimerini.com
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1683235130939252737
Fire still blazing on Rhodes as dozens more erupt across the country. | eKathimerini.com
Firefighters were struggling through the night to contain 82 wildfires across Greece, 64 of which started Sunday, the hottest day of the summer so far.
www.ekathimerini.com
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Time to change the title? Evacuations spread to other Greek Islands! This is becoming a nightmare, and I guess that some of these fires are arson or possibly an outright attack by non-State or State actors. The place is a tinderbox, so some fires may be accidents or natural (sun on broken glass type stuff).
Per RTE this morning...(7:45 my time)
www.rte.ie
Evacuations for more Greek islands due to wildfires
Updated / Monday, 24 Jul 2023 06:52
Tens of thousands of people fled wildfires on the Greek island of Rhodes as terrified tourists scrambled to get home.
There were also reports of wildfires breaking out on Corfu, another popular Greek island, with land and sea evacuations underway late last night.
On Rhodes, firefighters tackled blazes that erupted in peak tourism season, sparking the country's largest-ever wildfire evacuation and leaving flights and holidays cancelled.
Hundreds of holidaymakers milled inside Rhodes international airport, some trying to sleep on their beach towels as they waited for flights off the island.
Rhodes is one of Greece's most popular holiday destinations, particularly with British, German and French tourists.
Other Greek islands were reporting similar problems.
A wildfire broke out on Greece's second-largest island, Evia, according to the fire services, and several residential areas had to be evacuated.
Evia, situated off central Greece's eastern coast, was devastated last year by some of the worst wildfires in the country's history.
Several hundred kilometres to the northwest, the island of Corfu, another favourite with foreign tourists, was struggling with its own wildfires yesterday evening.
Officials on the island, which sits in the Ionian sea off the northwest of Greece, have already issued evacuation alerts for 12 villages there, the Athens News Agency reported.
The coast guard said a rescue operation was underway at Nissaki beach on the northeast of the island, due to a wildfire.
Six coastguard vessels and seven private boats had already taken 59 people off the beach.
Major travel firms, including TUI, have cancelled flights while UK holiday companies are sending planes to Rhodes to assist tourists in returning home.
However, Ryanair and Aer Lingus flights are operating as normal.
The Department of Foreign Affairs has advised Irish citizens to be alert, follow local advice and stay away from affected areas.
A national holiday in Greece, planned for today, has been cancelled.
Flights cancelled
Police said 16,000 people had been transported across land and 3,000 were evacuated by sea
Greece has been hit by an extended spell of extreme heat and fires have burned for nearly a week on Rhodes.
On Rhodes, winds of up to 49km/h complicated efforts to bring the flames under control.
"This is the biggest fire evacuation ever in Greece," Konstantia Dimoglidou, Greek police spokeswoman said of the Rhodes operation.
"We had to evacuate an area of 30,000 people," she added.
Police said the authorities had transported 16,000 people across land and evacuated 3,000 by sea.
Others had to flee by road or use their own transport after being told to leave the area.
German travel giant TUI said it was suspending all its inbound passenger flights to Rhodes until Tuesday but would send empty planes to help evacuate tourists.
Spokesperson Linda Jonczyk said that TUI had some 40,000 tourists in Rhodes, of which 7,800 are affected by the fires.
The low-cost British carrier Jet2 also said it had cancelled "all flights and holidays" to the island.
Authorities have warned that the battle to contain the flames will take several days.
More than 260 firefighters, backed by 18 aircraft, were battling the fire, with Croatia, France, Slovakia and Turkey having contributed equipment and personnel, officials said.
The blaze is burning along three active fronts including on the southeast coast of Rhodes
Last year Rhodes, which has a population of over 100,000, welcomed around 2.5 million tourists.
The fires reached the village of Laerma during the night, engulfing houses and a church, while many hotels were damaged by flames that had reached the coast.
The authorities evacuated 11 villages overnight as a precaution.
The blaze was burning along three active fronts including on the southeast coast of the island where firefighters tried to prevent the blaze from crossing a creek.
Tourists and some locals spent the night in gyms, schools and hotel conference centres on the island.
The Greek foreign ministry and embassies in Greece were setting up a station at the Rhodes airport to help tourists who have lost travel documents in the scramble to evacuate.
A large part of the island was without electricity as the public power utility PPC shut down the local plant in the south for safety reasons.
"This is a special fire here because the heart of Rhodes and its environment is affected," Efthymios Lekkas, a professor specialising in natural disasters told ERT TV, warning of a severe impact to the island's tourist industry.
"All the big hotels have closed. I don't think they will be able to operate this year because the surrounding area in each unit has been completely destroyed, and the environment is not inspiring for a holiday," he said.
Per RTE this morning...(7:45 my time)
Evacuations for more Greek islands due to wildfires
Corfu and Evia have become the latest Greek islands to issue evacuation orders as Greece battles a series of wildfires.
Updated / Monday, 24 Jul 2023 06:52
Tens of thousands of people fled wildfires on the Greek island of Rhodes as terrified tourists scrambled to get home.
There were also reports of wildfires breaking out on Corfu, another popular Greek island, with land and sea evacuations underway late last night.
On Rhodes, firefighters tackled blazes that erupted in peak tourism season, sparking the country's largest-ever wildfire evacuation and leaving flights and holidays cancelled.
Hundreds of holidaymakers milled inside Rhodes international airport, some trying to sleep on their beach towels as they waited for flights off the island.
Rhodes is one of Greece's most popular holiday destinations, particularly with British, German and French tourists.
Other Greek islands were reporting similar problems.
A wildfire broke out on Greece's second-largest island, Evia, according to the fire services, and several residential areas had to be evacuated.
Evia, situated off central Greece's eastern coast, was devastated last year by some of the worst wildfires in the country's history.
Several hundred kilometres to the northwest, the island of Corfu, another favourite with foreign tourists, was struggling with its own wildfires yesterday evening.
Officials on the island, which sits in the Ionian sea off the northwest of Greece, have already issued evacuation alerts for 12 villages there, the Athens News Agency reported.
The coast guard said a rescue operation was underway at Nissaki beach on the northeast of the island, due to a wildfire.
Six coastguard vessels and seven private boats had already taken 59 people off the beach.
Major travel firms, including TUI, have cancelled flights while UK holiday companies are sending planes to Rhodes to assist tourists in returning home.
However, Ryanair and Aer Lingus flights are operating as normal.
The Department of Foreign Affairs has advised Irish citizens to be alert, follow local advice and stay away from affected areas.
A national holiday in Greece, planned for today, has been cancelled.
Flights cancelled
Police said 16,000 people had been transported across land and 3,000 were evacuated by sea
Greece has been hit by an extended spell of extreme heat and fires have burned for nearly a week on Rhodes.
On Rhodes, winds of up to 49km/h complicated efforts to bring the flames under control.
"This is the biggest fire evacuation ever in Greece," Konstantia Dimoglidou, Greek police spokeswoman said of the Rhodes operation.
"We had to evacuate an area of 30,000 people," she added.
Police said the authorities had transported 16,000 people across land and evacuated 3,000 by sea.
Others had to flee by road or use their own transport after being told to leave the area.
German travel giant TUI said it was suspending all its inbound passenger flights to Rhodes until Tuesday but would send empty planes to help evacuate tourists.
Spokesperson Linda Jonczyk said that TUI had some 40,000 tourists in Rhodes, of which 7,800 are affected by the fires.
The low-cost British carrier Jet2 also said it had cancelled "all flights and holidays" to the island.
Authorities have warned that the battle to contain the flames will take several days.
More than 260 firefighters, backed by 18 aircraft, were battling the fire, with Croatia, France, Slovakia and Turkey having contributed equipment and personnel, officials said.
The blaze is burning along three active fronts including on the southeast coast of Rhodes
Last year Rhodes, which has a population of over 100,000, welcomed around 2.5 million tourists.
The fires reached the village of Laerma during the night, engulfing houses and a church, while many hotels were damaged by flames that had reached the coast.
The authorities evacuated 11 villages overnight as a precaution.
The blaze was burning along three active fronts including on the southeast coast of the island where firefighters tried to prevent the blaze from crossing a creek.
Tourists and some locals spent the night in gyms, schools and hotel conference centres on the island.
The Greek foreign ministry and embassies in Greece were setting up a station at the Rhodes airport to help tourists who have lost travel documents in the scramble to evacuate.
A large part of the island was without electricity as the public power utility PPC shut down the local plant in the south for safety reasons.
"This is a special fire here because the heart of Rhodes and its environment is affected," Efthymios Lekkas, a professor specialising in natural disasters told ERT TV, warning of a severe impact to the island's tourist industry.
"All the big hotels have closed. I don't think they will be able to operate this year because the surrounding area in each unit has been completely destroyed, and the environment is not inspiring for a holiday," he said.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Just now from the BBC...good photos at the link:
news.sky.com
Up to 10,000 Britons on wildfire-hit Rhodes - as sea evacuations begin on Corfu
The fires have led to one of the largest-ever evacuations in Greek history.
Monday 24 July 2023 08:10, UK
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View of wildfires in Corfu. Pic: Brendan Molloy
Why you can trust Sky News
There are up to 10,000 British tourists on Rhodes as wildfires sweep across parts of the Greek island, a Foreign Office minister has said.
Andrew Mitchell made the remarks as the first repatriation flights are due to arrive back in the UK to get hundreds of British holidaymakers off the island.
Asked how many British people are currently on Rhodes, Mr Mitchell told Sky News: "It's difficult to be absolutely sure, the figure is between 7,000 and 10,000."
It comes as sea evacuations have begun from a beach in Corfu to transport individuals fleeing wildfires on the Greek island.
The evacuation involved six coast guard vessels and nine private vessels, with around 59 people evacuated from Nissaki beach on the northwest coast, the coast guard said.
Asked how many UK holidaymakers are on Corfu, the Foreign Office minister said: "We're not sure how many are on Corfu, but the position on Corfu is very different.
"The fires are not taking place in residential areas or holiday areas, and although some people were temporarily moved, they've now been sent back to their accommodation."
Corfu. Pic: Ronan McGreevy
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Wildfires in Corfu. Pic: Ronan McGreevy
Corfu. Pic: Ronan McGreevy
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Pic: Ronan McGreevy
Mr Mitchell also said it is "difficult to say" whether the wildfires on the islands will get better or worse and said it "depends on which way the wind blows and how fiercely it blows".
The minister also said tour operators "can and should be as close as possible to the people whose holidays they have organised" as British holidaymakers have accused companies such as Jet2 and Tui of leaving them in their hotels without any guidance.
He continued: "I'm sure that the tour operators will be doing everything they can. They may have had a slow start, but I'm sure they'll be doing everything they can to support the people whose holidays they have organised."
Meanwhile, Foreign Secretary James Cleverly tweeted to say his office is in "close contact with authorities in Greece".
He added that a Rapid Deployment Team of Foreign Office and British Red Cross responders is in Rhodes to support British nationals.
Repatriation flights are due to arrive in Rhodes after tourists and residents huddled in schools and shelters on the island, with many evacuated on private boats from beaches as flames menaced resorts and coastal villages
Scores of others were forced to spend the weekend sleeping rough on beaches, pool sun loungers or on the streets.
A total of approximately 19,000 people have been rescued from the island so far.
Britons wait for rescue flights in Rhodes - as second heatwave looming - live updates
Greece's Emergency Communications Service published evacuation orders for some areas of Corfu after reports of wildfires.
People in the areas of Santa, Megoula, Porta, Palia, Perithia and Sinies on the island were told to leave on Sunday evening.
TUI also advised individuals set to stay at specific hotels in Corfu on the 24 or 25 July to not travel to the airport.
"If you're staying at the TUI Blue Atlantica Nissaki Beach, Pantokrator, Golden Mare, La Riviera or Nautilusue then we advise not to travel to the airport. Other hotels are operating as normal," it said in a statement on Sunday.
Tour operators Jet2, TUI and Correndon have cancelled flights leaving for Rhodes in the next few days.
Travel agent Thomas Cook cancelled some upcoming holidays and is offering other customers full refunds should they wish to cancel their trips.
While easyJet has said it is laying on two repatriation flights from the island on Monday, in addition to the nine flights they already operate between Rhodes and the UK - providing 421 extra seats to get people out.
The airline also pledged to run another repatriation flight back to the UK on Tuesday and promised to keep the situation under review.
Tourists evacuate from Rhodes1:48
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Why is Rhodes on fire?
Up to 10,000 Britons on wildfire-hit Rhodes - as sea evacuations begin on Corfu
The fires have led to one of the largest-ever evacuations in Greek history.
news.sky.com
The fires have led to one of the largest-ever evacuations in Greek history.
Monday 24 July 2023 08:10, UK
Listen to this article
0:00 / 8:52
1X
BeyondWords
Audio created using AI assistance
Corfu Pic: Brendan Molloy
Image:
View of wildfires in Corfu. Pic: Brendan Molloy
Why you can trust Sky News
There are up to 10,000 British tourists on Rhodes as wildfires sweep across parts of the Greek island, a Foreign Office minister has said.
Andrew Mitchell made the remarks as the first repatriation flights are due to arrive back in the UK to get hundreds of British holidaymakers off the island.
Asked how many British people are currently on Rhodes, Mr Mitchell told Sky News: "It's difficult to be absolutely sure, the figure is between 7,000 and 10,000."
It comes as sea evacuations have begun from a beach in Corfu to transport individuals fleeing wildfires on the Greek island.
The evacuation involved six coast guard vessels and nine private vessels, with around 59 people evacuated from Nissaki beach on the northwest coast, the coast guard said.
Asked how many UK holidaymakers are on Corfu, the Foreign Office minister said: "We're not sure how many are on Corfu, but the position on Corfu is very different.
"The fires are not taking place in residential areas or holiday areas, and although some people were temporarily moved, they've now been sent back to their accommodation."
Corfu. Pic: Ronan McGreevy
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Wildfires in Corfu. Pic: Ronan McGreevy
Corfu. Pic: Ronan McGreevy
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Pic: Ronan McGreevy
Mr Mitchell also said it is "difficult to say" whether the wildfires on the islands will get better or worse and said it "depends on which way the wind blows and how fiercely it blows".
The minister also said tour operators "can and should be as close as possible to the people whose holidays they have organised" as British holidaymakers have accused companies such as Jet2 and Tui of leaving them in their hotels without any guidance.
He continued: "I'm sure that the tour operators will be doing everything they can. They may have had a slow start, but I'm sure they'll be doing everything they can to support the people whose holidays they have organised."
Meanwhile, Foreign Secretary James Cleverly tweeted to say his office is in "close contact with authorities in Greece".
He added that a Rapid Deployment Team of Foreign Office and British Red Cross responders is in Rhodes to support British nationals.
Repatriation flights are due to arrive in Rhodes after tourists and residents huddled in schools and shelters on the island, with many evacuated on private boats from beaches as flames menaced resorts and coastal villages
Scores of others were forced to spend the weekend sleeping rough on beaches, pool sun loungers or on the streets.
A total of approximately 19,000 people have been rescued from the island so far.
Britons wait for rescue flights in Rhodes - as second heatwave looming - live updates
Greece's Emergency Communications Service published evacuation orders for some areas of Corfu after reports of wildfires.
People in the areas of Santa, Megoula, Porta, Palia, Perithia and Sinies on the island were told to leave on Sunday evening.
TUI also advised individuals set to stay at specific hotels in Corfu on the 24 or 25 July to not travel to the airport.
"If you're staying at the TUI Blue Atlantica Nissaki Beach, Pantokrator, Golden Mare, La Riviera or Nautilusue then we advise not to travel to the airport. Other hotels are operating as normal," it said in a statement on Sunday.
Tour operators Jet2, TUI and Correndon have cancelled flights leaving for Rhodes in the next few days.
Travel agent Thomas Cook cancelled some upcoming holidays and is offering other customers full refunds should they wish to cancel their trips.
While easyJet has said it is laying on two repatriation flights from the island on Monday, in addition to the nine flights they already operate between Rhodes and the UK - providing 421 extra seats to get people out.
The airline also pledged to run another repatriation flight back to the UK on Tuesday and promised to keep the situation under review.
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Why is Rhodes on fire?
jward
passin' thru
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
Several Former and Current Greek Officials have also begun to Urge the Greek Government to reach out to Russia in hopes that they will send Be-200s to assist in Fighting their Wildfires as well, specifically in Rhodes where they are completely “Out of Control” according to Firefighters on the Ground; the Greek Forrest Services has previously had the help of the Be-200s in Past Seasons, but that has not been the case this Season due to the Be-200s European Certification being Revoked in March of 2022 following the Invasion of Ukraine.
View: https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1683665611337891841?s=20
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
2 Russian Be-200ChS Amphibious-Flying Boats with the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations (EMERCOM) are reported to currently be assisting Fighting the Large Wildfires that are Burning in Southwestern Turkey near the City of Milas after a recent request by the Turkish Government.
View: https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1683665559467040773?s=20
@sentdefender
Several Former and Current Greek Officials have also begun to Urge the Greek Government to reach out to Russia in hopes that they will send Be-200s to assist in Fighting their Wildfires as well, specifically in Rhodes where they are completely “Out of Control” according to Firefighters on the Ground; the Greek Forrest Services has previously had the help of the Be-200s in Past Seasons, but that has not been the case this Season due to the Be-200s European Certification being Revoked in March of 2022 following the Invasion of Ukraine.
View: https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1683665611337891841?s=20
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
2 Russian Be-200ChS Amphibious-Flying Boats with the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations (EMERCOM) are reported to currently be assisting Fighting the Large Wildfires that are Burning in Southwestern Turkey near the City of Milas after a recent request by the Turkish Government.
View: https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1683665559467040773?s=20
Government? No. The people themselves? Yes.
Greece and its people have been surviving and then thriving thru catastrophic disasters for thousands of years.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Many uninhabited islands are uninhabited for a reason, like no drinking water sources. A wealthy person with a small desalinization system might live there, but as a retreat from disaster, you would have three days before people started to die of thirst. That isn't true of all of them. Some are private or government owned and are restricted, but even if used have the same problems as the small townspeople are being evacuated into. No extra food or supplies for refugees (or anyone else).
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
"You and your 'Sanctions' are POLITICAL BS!!! These are CITIZENS we're talking here. Tell your vegetable that we ain't playin' that game anymore!!"
Thus would be MY answer YESTERDAY!
Thus would be MY answer YESTERDAY!
bracketquant
Veteran Member
Why I like watching old western movies, people carried canteens.
Modern society thinks that an American Express travelers check or an electronic debit card will save their day.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Once upon a time there was a show, IIRC on Netflix, about an outfit in Canada that does nothing but put out wild fires. The tolerances are very small when trying to drop a load over a fire and the risk of crash is great!
homecanner1
Veteran Member
is that neon hardhat smoking in a firestorm
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Like I said upthread when someone asked if this was caused by a deliberate act of arson... it's hard telling because the Greeks still have a very strong smoking culture compared to the US, etc.
Squib
Veteran Member
Man that is (was) typical firefighter behavior right there!
Smoking during a fire:
Engineer smoking running the pumper, command post everyone is huffing and puffing on a cig, FF’s rotate out in a brush/structure fire - even during overhaul at the end of a fire…smoke break!
Ive been out for years now, so it’s probably gotten better, but even during yearly PT tests during the run…some guys would have a cig hanging from their mouth! I kid you not!
mzkitty
I give up.
Still going..........
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1684165781192593408
Look at this !! The scumbag is absolutely lighting a fire !! Kill him.
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1684166078816190465
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1684165781192593408
Look at this !! The scumbag is absolutely lighting a fire !! Kill him.
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1684166078816190465
jward
passin' thru
O my : (
Damage Control
@WarInUkraineYet
Massive explosion in an airforce ammunition depot in Volos (#Βολος) after flames entered the area surrounding the base of the 111th fighter wing.
Massive fires (#φωτιες) continue to burn in Magnesia for a second day, where two people lost their life yesterday.
View: https://twitter.com/WarInUkraineYet/status/1684590756173074432?s=20
Damage Control
@WarInUkraineYet
Massive explosion in an airforce ammunition depot in Volos (#Βολος) after flames entered the area surrounding the base of the 111th fighter wing.
Massive fires (#φωτιες) continue to burn in Magnesia for a second day, where two people lost their life yesterday.
View: https://twitter.com/WarInUkraineYet/status/1684590756173074432?s=20
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Well, crap!