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GOP Turnout Down Yet Again
Doug Mataconis · Wednesday, February 8, 2012 · 6 Comments
It may be time for Republicans to start worrying about turnout in their primaries. With the exception of the South Carolina primary, voter turnout in all the primary and caucus contests this year has been down from 2008 levels, and yesterday’s numbers were among the worst of all:
Missouri
2008 Turnout —- 588,720 voters
2012 Turnout —- 240,936 voters
Difference — (-347,784 or 59.07%)
Minnesota
2008 Turnout — 62,828 voters
2012 Turnout — 47,661 voters
Difference — (-15,167 or 24.14%)
Colorado
2008 Turnout — 70,229 voters
2012 Turnout — 65,479 voters
Difference (-4,570 or 6.76%)
Overall, that’s a difference among all three contests of 367,521 fewer voters in 2012 than 2008. Obviously, the biggest part of the difference comes from the fact that, this year, Missouri’s primary was entirely meaningless since it has nothing to do with the delegate selection process. Nonetheless, with even the numbers from Minnesota and Colorado down one had to wonder if Republicans have already given up on 2012.
Reader's Comments follow:
Tsar Nicholas II says:
Wednesday, February 8, 2012 at 08:19
This isn’t surprising. It’s a function of the demographics of the GOP primary selectorate and the corresponding demographics of the slate of candidates. The former disproportionately is made up of Bible bot evangelicals, spoiled brats and extreme, foaming-at-the-mouth conservatives. Juxtapose that to the GOP field, which as a separate but related matter is historically weak. The guy who already clinched the nomination, de facto, is a Mormon and a Rockefeller Republican. Santorum is a Catholic. Gingrich is Gingrich. Square pegs, round holes, at least so far as the primary process is concerned.
Looking ahead to November there indeed is a material possibility that Obama will defeat Romney by the margin of right wingers and erstwhile right wingers who sit out the election.
This reflects the low Republican turnout at every primary and caucus except SC. I know total turnouts were up in NH and IA but this was because of crossovers, estimates suggest real Republican turnout was down. There simply is no real enthusiasm for any of these guys, the only one that got people excited was Gingrich in SC and that’s largely because he’s a bomb thrower. As to the general he was always going to be hard to beat for a variety of reasons and this to some extent explained the weakness of the field but even if any of the great white knights ( Christie, Rubio, Jeb) had been competing does anyone see the nominating process being any different. The chatterers on the right have massive enthusiasm for white knights becasue they are basically a fantasy and the moment they enter race the enthusiasm largely evaporates.
Brummagem Joe says:
Wednesday, February 8, 2012 at 08:24
@Tsar Nicholas II:
The former disproportionately is made up of Bible bot evangelicals, spoiled brats and extreme, foaming-at-the-mouth conservatives.
The Republican primary electorate is
always
made up of your list. It’s an entirely apple with apples comparison.
superdestroyer says:
Wednesday, February 8, 2012 at 08:25
Of course the Republicans have given up. When they have to push “2″ for English, they should be able to realize that there is no future in the U.S. for any form of a conservative party. Most conservatives who pay the least attention know that President Obama is going to be re=elected.
The only question for 2012 is whether Nancy Pelos will return as Speaker of the House in January 2013.
I more interesting question is whether the media and conservative voters will still believe that the Republicans are relevant in 2016 when President Obama successor will be choosen some time between the Iowa Caucuses and the Super Tuesday primary during the Democratic primary season.
Conservatives need to realize that the idea of effecting policy at the ballot box is over. All conservatives can do is adapt to the changing landscape of the U.S. and learn how to function with much higher taxes, a much bigger government, more social engineering, and a smaller private sector.
DRS says:
Wednesday, February 8, 2012 at 08:48
Does this look to you like a party that thinks they’ve got a lock on the White House in November? Nope.
Brummagem Joe says:
Wednesday, February 8, 2012 at 09:29
@superdestroyer:
Conservatives need to realize that the idea of effecting policy at the ballot box is over. All conservatives can do is adapt to the changing landscape of the U.S. and learn how to function with much higher taxes, a much bigger government, more social engineering, and a smaller private sector.
Ignoring the hyperbole about the end of the world as we know it, if your premise is correct this would suggest that this is what a majority of Americans want and they give voice to this desire the ballot box. Yes?
GOP Turnout Down Yet Again
Doug Mataconis · Wednesday, February 8, 2012 · 6 Comments
It may be time for Republicans to start worrying about turnout in their primaries. With the exception of the South Carolina primary, voter turnout in all the primary and caucus contests this year has been down from 2008 levels, and yesterday’s numbers were among the worst of all:
Missouri
2008 Turnout —- 588,720 voters
2012 Turnout —- 240,936 voters
Difference — (-347,784 or 59.07%)
Minnesota
2008 Turnout — 62,828 voters
2012 Turnout — 47,661 voters
Difference — (-15,167 or 24.14%)
Colorado
2008 Turnout — 70,229 voters
2012 Turnout — 65,479 voters
Difference (-4,570 or 6.76%)
Overall, that’s a difference among all three contests of 367,521 fewer voters in 2012 than 2008. Obviously, the biggest part of the difference comes from the fact that, this year, Missouri’s primary was entirely meaningless since it has nothing to do with the delegate selection process. Nonetheless, with even the numbers from Minnesota and Colorado down one had to wonder if Republicans have already given up on 2012.
Reader's Comments follow:
Tsar Nicholas II says:
Wednesday, February 8, 2012 at 08:19
This isn’t surprising. It’s a function of the demographics of the GOP primary selectorate and the corresponding demographics of the slate of candidates. The former disproportionately is made up of Bible bot evangelicals, spoiled brats and extreme, foaming-at-the-mouth conservatives. Juxtapose that to the GOP field, which as a separate but related matter is historically weak. The guy who already clinched the nomination, de facto, is a Mormon and a Rockefeller Republican. Santorum is a Catholic. Gingrich is Gingrich. Square pegs, round holes, at least so far as the primary process is concerned.
Looking ahead to November there indeed is a material possibility that Obama will defeat Romney by the margin of right wingers and erstwhile right wingers who sit out the election.
This reflects the low Republican turnout at every primary and caucus except SC. I know total turnouts were up in NH and IA but this was because of crossovers, estimates suggest real Republican turnout was down. There simply is no real enthusiasm for any of these guys, the only one that got people excited was Gingrich in SC and that’s largely because he’s a bomb thrower. As to the general he was always going to be hard to beat for a variety of reasons and this to some extent explained the weakness of the field but even if any of the great white knights ( Christie, Rubio, Jeb) had been competing does anyone see the nominating process being any different. The chatterers on the right have massive enthusiasm for white knights becasue they are basically a fantasy and the moment they enter race the enthusiasm largely evaporates.
Brummagem Joe says:
Wednesday, February 8, 2012 at 08:24
@Tsar Nicholas II:
The former disproportionately is made up of Bible bot evangelicals, spoiled brats and extreme, foaming-at-the-mouth conservatives.
The Republican primary electorate is
always
made up of your list. It’s an entirely apple with apples comparison.
superdestroyer says:
Wednesday, February 8, 2012 at 08:25
Of course the Republicans have given up. When they have to push “2″ for English, they should be able to realize that there is no future in the U.S. for any form of a conservative party. Most conservatives who pay the least attention know that President Obama is going to be re=elected.
The only question for 2012 is whether Nancy Pelos will return as Speaker of the House in January 2013.
I more interesting question is whether the media and conservative voters will still believe that the Republicans are relevant in 2016 when President Obama successor will be choosen some time between the Iowa Caucuses and the Super Tuesday primary during the Democratic primary season.
Conservatives need to realize that the idea of effecting policy at the ballot box is over. All conservatives can do is adapt to the changing landscape of the U.S. and learn how to function with much higher taxes, a much bigger government, more social engineering, and a smaller private sector.
DRS says:
Wednesday, February 8, 2012 at 08:48
Does this look to you like a party that thinks they’ve got a lock on the White House in November? Nope.
Brummagem Joe says:
Wednesday, February 8, 2012 at 09:29
@superdestroyer:
Conservatives need to realize that the idea of effecting policy at the ballot box is over. All conservatives can do is adapt to the changing landscape of the U.S. and learn how to function with much higher taxes, a much bigger government, more social engineering, and a smaller private sector.
Ignoring the hyperbole about the end of the world as we know it, if your premise is correct this would suggest that this is what a majority of Americans want and they give voice to this desire the ballot box. Yes?
