CORONA German chief pathologist sounds alarm on fatal vaccine injuries

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
So was it the only 40 people in all of 93,000,000 vaccinated in Germany that died within 2 weeks of getting the vaccine? Or were there more? We don’t know because he doesn’t tell.

Do more than 40 people die every 2 weeks in Germany? We don’t know because he doesn’t tell.

Did he choose these particular 40 because there were referred to him already as “suspicious” or had a particular trait? Hence a high portion would naturally be caused by the vaccine? We don’t know because he doesn’t say what the criteria or population was.

Poorly written at best, agenda driven at worst.

The article was not written by the pathologist, it was written about his findings. The article didn't tell you this information, I'm fairly certain the formal write-up of his findings has most of if not all of what you're asking, and likely more than you're asking. The point of the article is that an expert in the topic with a respected level of scholarship is sharing findings and his concerns, banking on the cache of his reputation and respect. You're conflating the short article (written by a news outlet) with the scholarship itself (written by the pathologist) and criticizing the pathologist.

Frankly, you're being ridiculous.
 

SmithJ

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Pretty sure this is the documentation behind the findings, but my German is rusty:

Yeah, mine too. Even thought I am of German descent I never learned the language.
 

SmithJ

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The article was not written by the pathologist, it was written about his findings. The article didn't tell you this information, I'm fairly certain the formal write-up of his findings has most of if not all of what you're asking, and likely more than you're asking. The point of the article is that an expert in the topic with a respected level of scholarship is sharing findings and his concerns, banking on the cache of his reputation and respect. You're conflating the short article (written by a news outlet) with the scholarship itself (written by the pathologist) and criticizing the pathologist.

Frankly, you're being ridiculous.
What’s ridiculous is hyperventilating over 12 -14 deaths out of 93,000,000 vaccinated. And drawing some conclusion from a sample of 40 without knowing details.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
And they are reportedly 40. 40 of how many we do not know. Again, the numbers are really meaningless without more data and disclosure.

All you can really draw from the article is that more autopsies need to be performed, if more than 40 are dying.

No, you can easily draw from the article that a particularly skilled post-mortem practitioner was allotted some number of corpses to autopsy and he has found a correlation with a common mortality vector in a large proportion of that number. That subset of corpses are part of a larger set of corpses produced within Germany.

Again, more ridiculousness from you.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
What’s ridiculous is hyperventilating over 12 -14 deaths out of 93,000,000 vaccinated. And drawing some conclusion from a sample of 40 without knowing details.

The pathologist knows and has published the details, and a news article has illuminated a summary of concerns from those details. Few here are hyperventilating over this, though it's just like you to try recasting other's motivations. You seem a bit manic to blunt this story.
 
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SmithJ

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The pathologist knows and has published the details, and a news article has illuminated a summary of concerns from those details. Few here are hyperventilating over this, though it's just like you to try recasting other's motivations. You seem a but manic to blunt this story.
Don’t care really about the story one way or another, but I do indeed find it fascinating how the anti-vaxers grasp at straws.
 

SmithJ

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The pathologist knows and has published the details, and a news article has illuminated a summary of concerns from those details. Few here are hyperventilating over this, though it's just like you to try recasting other's motivations. You seem a but manic to blunt this story.
I also love how people switch back and forth between bowing at the altar of the main stream media depending on which side of the story the main stream media portrays that day.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
I also love how people switch back and forth between bowing at the altar of the main stream media depending on which side of the story the main stream media portrays that day.

The article was not particularly flattering to the pathologist, I'm not really basing my take on what their opinion happens to be. So, your response is non sequitur.
 

SmithJ

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The article was not particularly flattering to the pathologist, I'm not really basing my take on what their opinion happens to be. So, your response is non sequitur.
So you are not basing ”your take“ on their opinion. And that’s all they offer since they don’t have many details.

So ”your take” must just be based on a preconceived notion then. Fair enough.

I‘ll leave it at that.
 

TheSearcher

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So you are not basing ”your take“ on their opinion. And that’s all they offer since they don’t have many details.

So ”your take” must just be based on a preconceived notion then. Fair enough.

I‘ll leave it at that.

My take is that a highly respected pathologist has findings that show a high percentage of "clients" he serviced have a correlation to deaths around two weeks after receiving a C19 vaccine, with causes of death indicative to the vaccine. With the debunking stuff sprinkled around the article removed and just the statement itself is taken into account, the information is concerning on its face. Very little preconception required.
 

jaw1969

Senior Member
Don’t care really about the story one way or another, but I do indeed find it fascinating how the anti-vaxers grasp at straws.
This says it all we all are not anti vaxers I don't consider myself an anti-vaxxer I am anti putting something in my body that has not been fully vetted I stopped doing that in my twenties
 

Tex88

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Ok... 30-40% (rather a wide range for a learned doctor , huh?) "probably " died from the vaxx.. out of 40, so, 12-16 vaxx caused deaths.

OUT OF HOW MANY?!! Yes, I'm shouting! Without that one little number, this entire article is meaningless.

Summerthyme

If only such numbers were easily to come by…


Germany
Total doses given 93.2M
People fully vaccinated 44.1M
% fully vaccinated 53.1%
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Paging rondaben...

Of course, he will still need more "proof" ...

Oh, I'm here. Just waiting for people to get to the part of the article where Schirmacher says that
"He does not want to spread panic and is in no way opposed to vaccinations, says the professor, who says he himself had himself vaccinated against corona. Vaccination is an essential part of the fight against the virus, he clarifies. But you have to weigh up the medical reasons for vaccination individually."
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Oh, I'm here. Just waiting for people to get to the part of the article where Schirmacher says that
"He does not want to spread panic and is in no way opposed to vaccinations, says the professor, who says he himself had himself vaccinated against corona. Vaccination is an essential part of the fight against the virus, he clarifies. But you have to weigh up the medical reasons for vaccination individually."

Would that the governments of the world were so reasonable....

Just sayin'
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Oh, I'm here. Just waiting for people to get to the part of the article where Schirmacher says that
"He does not want to spread panic and is in no way opposed to vaccinations, says the professor, who says he himself had himself vaccinated against corona. Vaccination is an essential part of the fight against the virus, he clarifies. But you have to weigh up the medical reasons for vaccination individually."

Um, I just pulled up the article and am genuinely having a difficult time finding that quote. Are you quoting a different article?
 

rondaben

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Except that 93,000,000 people in Germany have been vaccinated and through some undisclosed method he chose 40 autopsies to review and decided 12 - 15 (in his opinion) died from effects of the vaccine.

Meaningless.

We don’t know how many of those 93,000,000 have died. We don’t know (at least he doesn’t tell us) how many of 93,000,000 would have died in any given year. We don’t know what criteria he used to form his opinion that 12 -14 died from the vaccine.

Perhaps one of the most important things he fails to disclose is how he chose the 40 autopsies to review or perform.
They were previously autopsied.
 

Tripod

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Nowhere in the article did it say exactly what the cause of death was. What part of the body caused death? The job of a pathologist is to find exactly what caused death. Died from the jab is like saying he died in a car wreck.
Mike
 

Breeta

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Ok listen and comprehend...

Many people have died within 2 weeks after getting the covid shot. I might be inclined to think that almost ALL those who died unexpectedly after getting the jab... it would have been because of the jab (unless they were a passenger in a car accident or whatnot).
Pro-vaxxers would be inclined to say oh heck, it’s just a coincidence that some people have died within 2 weeks of getting the jab. None of those deaths are relevant to the jab.

This pathologist is saying from his small sample of such deaths, about 1/3 of them were indeed due to the jab. So, not nearly all, but not none.
You can then apply this to the larger group of all reported deaths within 2 weeks after getting the jab.

Pfizer says there was no difference in deaths after the vax between the placebo group and the vax group, meaning the vax does not cause death. This study would contradict that.

How many total got the shot is not relevant.
 

Breeta

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Nowhere in the article did it say exactly what the cause of death was. What part of the body caused death? The job of a pathologist is to find exactly what caused death. Died from the jab is like saying he died in a car wreck.
Mike

the article says :

Even if his results are only a snapshot, it is a dramatic one: 30 to 40 percent died from the vaccination itself. ***[BOLD]The pathologist cited “rare, severe side effects of the vaccination – such as cerebral vein thrombosis or autoimmune diseases”.[/BOLD]***
 

bw

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Nowhere in the article did it say exactly what the cause of death was. What part of the body caused death? The job of a pathologist is to find exactly what caused death. Died from the jab is like saying he died in a car wreck.

The article isn't obliged to indicate the exact cause for each of the 30%. There's no reason to think the cause was the same for all victims. If the pathologist using the tools of his trade traces the cause of death back to the jab, then there's your link.
 

Tripod

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the article says :

Even if his results are only a snapshot, it is a dramatic one: 30 to 40 percent died from the vaccination itself. ***[BOLD]The pathologist cited “rare, severe side effects of the vaccination – such as cerebral vein thrombosis or autoimmune diseases”.[/BOLD]***
You are correct, i missed that. Thank you.
Mike
 

SmithJ

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Ok listen and comprehend...

Many people have died within 2 weeks after getting the covid shot. I might be inclined to think that almost ALL those who died unexpectedly after getting the jab... it would have been because of the jab (unless they were a passenger in a car accident or whatnot).
Pro-vaxxers would be inclined to say oh heck, it’s just a coincidence that some people have died within 2 weeks of getting the jab. None of those deaths are relevant to the jab.

This pathologist is saying from his small sample of such deaths, about 1/3 of them were indeed due to the jab. So, not nearly all, but not none.
You can then apply this to the larger group of all reported deaths within 2 weeks after getting the jab.

Pfizer says there was no difference in deaths after the vax between the placebo group and the vax group, meaning the vax does not cause death. This study would contradict that.

How many total got the shot is not relevant.
Numbers are always relevant. You say this is a “small sample” of such deaths, but the article does not say that. It is conveniently silent about numbers.

If these are all such deaths then we are talking about 12-14 deaths out of 93,000,000 doses

If everyone in Germany died within 2 weeks of the vaccine then that’s a lot.

I suspect the actual number is somewhere between 40 and 93,000,000.

But we don’t know that number from the article, do we?

You also say “You can then apply this to the larger group of all reported deaths within 2 weeks after getting the jab”.

But you cannot apply the findings from a group of 40 to a larger population unless it is a statistically valid sample. We do not know how those 40 autopsies were chosen for him to review. We do not know whether they were chosen because there was some flag that raised particular questions about those deaths. If so, there would be an expectation that a larger percentage of those deaths would naturally be caused by the vaccine.

But we don’t know that from the article.
 
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rondaben

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Where is that link?

That is the source for the article on the Augsburger Allgemeine. you will probably note a calmer tone in the source. There is a paraphrase in the OP "Moreover, he has not tried to spread panic, and he is not an opponent of vaccinations – Schirmacher himself has been vaccinated."
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Where is that link?

I went looking and found it in German, not English, though I have no reason to think you botched the quote. Thanks for having me look.

I found a number of other articles about this pathologist, on this story and others, and he's been raising alarms for a while.
 

Tripod

Veteran Member
The article isn't obliged to indicate the exact cause for each of the 30%. There's no reason to think the cause was the same for all victims. If the pathologist using the tools of his trade traces the cause of death back to the jab, then there's your link.
Yes it is. I hit the like button instead of reply.
Mike
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
the article says :

Even if his results are only a snapshot, it is a dramatic one: 30 to 40 percent died from the vaccination itself. ***[BOLD]The pathologist cited “rare, severe side effects of the vaccination – such as cerebral vein thrombosis or autoimmune diseases”.[/BOLD]***
Cerebral vein thrombosis is the most common kind of stroke. You don't develop autoimmune diseases in 2 weeks, they typically develop slowly over months and years.
 

rondaben

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I went looking and found it in German, not English, though I have no reason to think you botched the quote. Thanks for having me look.

I found a number of other articles about this pathologist, on this story and others, and he's been raising alarms for a while.
I'm not german speaking, but you can get a English version. At least I was able to on my phone.
 

Breeta

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English translation of link above... of note, basically we don’t know how many total die within 2 weeks of Vax because they die outside of the hospital and context is not there to link with vax. So dr will just note as a stroke or natural causes or whatever and no autopsy ever done & death is never reported as vax related. So I agree with the pathologists concern that this should be uniformly taken into consideration. “Has the deceased been vaccinated for Covid-19 within last 2 weeks” or such should be a question at least asked... heck, maybe dont stop at 2 weeks, indicate date of covid-19 vax so we can trace possible long term effects too... my opinion.

Article:

Chief pathologist at the University of Heidelberg urges more autopsies of vaccinated people

A pathologist would now like to do more autopsies on the deceased who were vaccinated against Corona - and his theses have received a lot of criticism. He himself emphasizes that vaccination is an essential part of the fight against the virus.


The chief pathologist at the University of Heidelberg, Peter Schirmacher, urges many more autopsies of vaccinated people. In addition to corona deaths, the corpses of people who die in connection with a vaccination would also have to be examined more frequently, said Schirmacher of the German Press Agency in Stuttgart. The director of the Pathological Institute in Heidelberg even warns of a high number of unreported cases of vaccination deaths and complains: The pathologists do not notice anything about most of the patients who die after and possibly from a vaccination. However, other scientists disagree with him on this point, as do the Standing Vaccination Commission (Stiko) and the Paul Ehrlich Institute.

For a year now, coronavirus deaths have been autopsied at the university clinics in the southwest in order to better understand the disease. The state supports the Covid-19 autopsy research of the university pathologies with around 1.8 million euros. Schirmacher heads the autopsy project. The findings of more than 200 autopsies so far have led, among other things, to better treatment and ventilation of Covid sufferers, he says. "The knowledge gained here therefore helps to be able to treat sick people better and more successfully and to save lives," says Science Minister Theresia Bauer (Greens). Schirmacher, a member of the National Academy of Sciences Leopoldina since 2012, hopes that the funding will continue next year.

Other scientists clearly criticize statements made by the chief pathologist

The doctor now wants to get to the bottom of rare, serious side effects of vaccination - such as cerebral vein thrombosis or autoimmune diseases. The problem from his point of view: Vaccinated people usually do not die under clinical observation. "The doctor examining the corpse does not establish a context with the vaccination and certifies a natural death and the patient is buried," reports Schirmacher. "Or he certifies an unclear type of death and the public prosecutor sees no third-party fault and releases the corpse for burial."

In Baden-Württemberg, the pathologists therefore worked with public prosecutors, the police and resident doctors, reports Schirmacher. More than 40 people have already been autopsied who died within two weeks of being vaccinated. Schirmacher assumes that 30 to 40 percent of them died from the vaccination. In his opinion, the frequency of fatal consequences of vaccinations is underestimated - a politically explosive statement in times when the vaccination campaign is losing momentum, the delta variant is spreading rapidly and restrictions on non-vaccinated people are being discussed.
 
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bw

Fringe Ranger
Numbers are always relevant. You say this is a “small sample” of such deaths, but the article does not say that. It is conveniently silent about numbers.

The article gives all the data that's relevant to the scope. The article isn't about all the deaths in Germany, it's about 40 corpses that met the stated criteria.
 
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