WAR FUNG HEADS UP: -BRKNG -6/15/12-Russian Ship Carrying Armed Troops Headed to Syria

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Russian ship carrying armed Russian troops is on its way to Syria to guard Russian assets, US military officials tell @NBCNews


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So far this is the only source for this news. I'm trying to get multiple sources to bolster this information as absolutely, true.

Also this from WND (not the most reliable source in my opinion)...but here it is anyway.


JERUSALEM – Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is preparing a major offensive in the coming days against the opposition targeting his regime, an informed Syrian government source confirmed.

The source told WND yesterday Assad was warned by Russia that if the coming counterinsurgency targeting the opposition is not successful in the next 4-6 weeks, Syria should be prepared for a war.

http://www.wnd.com/201
 
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also posted on WoW ~ Dutch


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:siren::siren:
US official: Russia sends troops
to Syria as peace hopes fade


Days before President Barack Obama's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, there has been a war of words between the U.S. and Syria's longtime military supplier. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.

By Jim Miklaszewski, NBC News
and msnbc.com news services
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_new...a-sends-troops-to-syria-as-peace-hopes-fade?=


Russia is sending armed troops to Syria amid escalating violence there, United States military officials told NBC News Friday, in a move certain to frustrate Western efforts to put pressure on the regime of President Bashir Assad.

Moscow has sent a ship carrying a small contingent of combat forces to guard Russia’s deep-water port and military base at the Syrian city of Tartus, the US officials said.


The U.S. officials also said Russia has not sent additional attack helicopters to the Syrian government, but replacement parts for the Russian helicopters the Syrians are already flying.

It comes after the conflict was declared by France on Wednesday to be a full-blown civil war.

The head of the U.N. observers in Syria said Friday a recent spike in bloodshed is derailing the mission to monitor and defuse more than a year of violence and could prompt the unarmed force to pull out.

"Violence over the past 10 days has been intensifying willingly by the both parties, with losses on both sides and significant risks to our observers," Maj. Gen. Robert Mood told reporters in Damascus. "The escalating violence is now limiting our ability to observe, verify, report as well as assist in local dialogue and stability projects."

Tartus is one of Russia’s most strategically-important assets, giving it military access to the Mediterranean Sea.

Russia and China, both permanent members of the U.N. Security Council with veto power, frustrated attempts by key Western figures, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to enforce a United Nations peace plan brokered by special envoy Kofi Annan.

Russia’s foreign minister Sergei Lavrov on Friday repeated Moscow's strong opposition to external interference in Syria, said it was not discussing plans for a Syrian political transformation following the exit of Assad.

At a news conference after talks with his Iraqi counterpart, Lavrov said he had seen reports saying U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland had suggested Washington and Moscow were discussing a post-Assad strategy in Syria.

"If that was really said then it's not true," Lavrov said. "Such discussions are not being held and cannot be held, because to decide for the Syrian people contradicts our position completely.

"We do not get involved in overthrowing regimes - neither through approval of unilateral actions by the U.N. Security Council nor by participation in any political plots."

Nuland was asked at a news conference on Thursday whether the United States and Russia were discussing a transition of power similar to that seen in Yemen last year, in which President Ali Abdullah Saleh was replaced by a deputy.

"We are continuing to talk about a post-Assad transition strategy in that context," she said.


Government forces in Syria have driven rebel fighters out of the town of Haffa near the Turkish border and are now allowing UN monitors to enter the area. NBC's Richard Engel reports.

Lavrov said any broad international talks on Syria must include Iran and must only address ways to create conditions for a political dialogue in Syria - not the content of that dialogue or preconditions such as Assad's exit.

Russia, which has come under increasing criticism from the West for arms deliveries to Syria, responded to U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's allegations that attack helicopters were on the way from Russia to Syria.

In a statement on the Foreign Ministry website, Russia said it had made no new deliveries of military helicopters to Syria but under old contracts it had repaired helicopters sent to Syria "many years ago".

"There are no new deliveries of Russian military helicopters to Syria. All arms industry cooperation with Syria is limited to a transfer of defensive arms," the ministry said on its website.

"As regards helicopters, planned repairs of (helicopters) delivered to Syria many years ago were conducted earlier," it said. It did not say when they had been repaired or, if they were repaired in Russia, when they were returned to Syria.

Inside Syria: War-torn city of Homs scarred by violence, riddled with fear

Syria's ambassador to Russia said on Thursday Russia had not sent new attack helicopters to Syria.

Russia says it is fulfilling existing contracts for air defense systems against external attacks. President Vladimir Putin, due to meet U.S. President Barack Obama next week, said the weapons Russia sends could not be used in civil conflicts.

A source close to Russia's arms exporting monopoly Rosoboronexport said Clinton's comments may have referred to helicopters sent to Russia in 2009 for repairs and which may be on the way back to Syria.

The source said on Wednesday at least nine Mi-25 helicopters were sent to Russia's Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad to be repaired by Oboronservis, owned by the Defense Ministry.

Russia delivered three different missile systems including Bastion anti-ship missile units and another anti-aircraft system to Syria last year.

At least two ships carrying Russian weapons have reportedly travelled to Syria since the beginning of the year, though possibly not on behalf of state arms exporter Rosoboronexport.






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doctor_fungcool

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also posted on WoW ~ Dutch


:shkr:
:siren::siren:
US official: Russia sends troops
to Syria as peace hopes fade


Days before President Barack Obama's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, there has been a war of words between the U.S. and Syria's longtime military supplier. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.

By Jim Miklaszewski, NBC News
and msnbc.com news services
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_new...a-sends-troops-to-syria-as-peace-hopes-fade?=


Russia is sending armed troops to Syria amid escalating violence there, United States military officials told NBC News Friday, in a move certain to frustrate Western efforts to put pressure on the regime of President Bashir Assad.

Moscow has sent a ship carrying a small contingent of combat forces to guard Russia’s deep-water port and military base at the Syrian city of Tartus, the US officials said.


The U.S. officials also said Russia has not sent additional attack helicopters to the Syrian government, but replacement parts for the Russian helicopters the Syrians are already flying.

It comes after the conflict was declared by France on Wednesday to be a full-blown civil war.

The head of the U.N. observers in Syria said Friday a recent spike in bloodshed is derailing the mission to monitor and defuse more than a year of violence and could prompt the unarmed force to pull out.

"Violence over the past 10 days has been intensifying willingly by the both parties, with losses on both sides and significant risks to our observers," Maj. Gen. Robert Mood told reporters in Damascus. "The escalating violence is now limiting our ability to observe, verify, report as well as assist in local dialogue and stability projects."

Tartus is one of Russia’s most strategically-important assets, giving it military access to the Mediterranean Sea.

Russia and China, both permanent members of the U.N. Security Council with veto power, frustrated attempts by key Western figures, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to enforce a United Nations peace plan brokered by special envoy Kofi Annan.

Russia’s foreign minister Sergei Lavrov on Friday repeated Moscow's strong opposition to external interference in Syria, said it was not discussing plans for a Syrian political transformation following the exit of Assad.

At a news conference after talks with his Iraqi counterpart, Lavrov said he had seen reports saying U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland had suggested Washington and Moscow were discussing a post-Assad strategy in Syria.

"If that was really said then it's not true," Lavrov said. "Such discussions are not being held and cannot be held, because to decide for the Syrian people contradicts our position completely.

"We do not get involved in overthrowing regimes - neither through approval of unilateral actions by the U.N. Security Council nor by participation in any political plots."

Nuland was asked at a news conference on Thursday whether the United States and Russia were discussing a transition of power similar to that seen in Yemen last year, in which President Ali Abdullah Saleh was replaced by a deputy.

"We are continuing to talk about a post-Assad transition strategy in that context," she said.


Government forces in Syria have driven rebel fighters out of the town of Haffa near the Turkish border and are now allowing UN monitors to enter the area. NBC's Richard Engel reports.

Lavrov said any broad international talks on Syria must include Iran and must only address ways to create conditions for a political dialogue in Syria - not the content of that dialogue or preconditions such as Assad's exit.

Russia, which has come under increasing criticism from the West for arms deliveries to Syria, responded to U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's allegations that attack helicopters were on the way from Russia to Syria.

In a statement on the Foreign Ministry website, Russia said it had made no new deliveries of military helicopters to Syria but under old contracts it had repaired helicopters sent to Syria "many years ago".

"There are no new deliveries of Russian military helicopters to Syria. All arms industry cooperation with Syria is limited to a transfer of defensive arms," the ministry said on its website.

"As regards helicopters, planned repairs of (helicopters) delivered to Syria many years ago were conducted earlier," it said. It did not say when they had been repaired or, if they were repaired in Russia, when they were returned to Syria.

Inside Syria: War-torn city of Homs scarred by violence, riddled with fear

Syria's ambassador to Russia said on Thursday Russia had not sent new attack helicopters to Syria.

Russia says it is fulfilling existing contracts for air defense systems against external attacks. President Vladimir Putin, due to meet U.S. President Barack Obama next week, said the weapons Russia sends could not be used in civil conflicts.

A source close to Russia's arms exporting monopoly Rosoboronexport said Clinton's comments may have referred to helicopters sent to Russia in 2009 for repairs and which may be on the way back to Syria.

The source said on Wednesday at least nine Mi-25 helicopters were sent to Russia's Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad to be repaired by Oboronservis, owned by the Defense Ministry.

Russia delivered three different missile systems including Bastion anti-ship missile units and another anti-aircraft system to Syria last year.

At least two ships carrying Russian weapons have reportedly travelled to Syria since the beginning of the year, though possibly not on behalf of state arms exporter Rosoboronexport.






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Thanks Dutch.....What do you think?

The word is Assad has 4-6 weeks to clean things up. After that time, Syria will have to go to war with surrounding countries like Turkey, Jordan, Israel, Qatar, Saudi Arabia (they are financing the rebels from what I gather).
 

mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I am seriously getting the feeling that the whole world is about to see a Wag The Dog series of events to hide the culpability of the puppet masters and their minions...

...and many, many people will die - sacrificed to satisfy their lust for power and greed.

Mike
 
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Doc....Since late yesterday afternoon I have been "on the ferge" of issuing an alert to those few members who had asked me to give them a warning *If I believed that TS was about to HTF!

For what little is is worth to anyone; I went into, litterally, War/Economic collaspe alert - and preps some days back.

And both the hard news events and several FOAFs with-in the past 72 hours, only serves to make me more vigilant in my observations/scannings of the hard news events.

We are indeed facing the forming of a ** PERFECT STORM** (and with a President who now knows that he'll loose the Nov election....That makes him a DANGEROUS! component in the global mix....)

Dutch
 

knepper

Veteran Member
So....when war breaks out between Israel and Iran, which is highly likely, Syria will be dragged into it, as has happened in all previous Mid-East wars. That means Russian TROOPS (not just advisors), will likely be waging war against Israel. Armageddon, anyone?
 

bev

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I would certainly appreciate your posting such an alert whenever you feel the timing is right, in bold and maybe in red!

Thanks for all you do here.
 

the watcher

Inactive
This set off yet another alarm with me this morning. These I consider warning shots....
18 hours ago.
Russia Fires Bulava SS-NX-30 Missile From Syria as a Warning to NATO and Israel
Spiral UFO over Israel explained scientifically in this video. It is a
RSM-56 Bulava (NATO designation SS-NX-30) Ballistic missile shot from a Russian submarine off Tartus, Syria as a message to NATO.
Video at link
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3f5_1339707136&comments=1
 

Shea Grey

Membership Revoked by Request
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Doc....Since late yesterday afternoon I have been "on the ferge" of issuing an alert to those few members who had asked me to give them a warning *If I believed that TS was about to HTF!

For what little is is worth to anyone; I went into, litterally, War/Economic collaspe alert - and preps some days back.

And both the hard news events and several FOAFs with-in the past 72 hours, only serves to make me more vigilant in my observations/scannings of the hard news events.

We are indeed facing the forming of a ** PERFECT STORM** (and with a President who now knows that he'll loose the Nov election....That makes him a DANGEROUS! component in the global mix....)

Dutch

Dutch, i could not agree more wholeheartedly. (and brokenheartedly, coz it DOES NOT have to be like this) with your read. (hey ya Doc)

If this is 2 or 3 more sources away from verifiable, this is the "GO BUTTON"....not the 'set your hair on fire' button, its the calm, together, coherent get out now button.

Tartus is KEY, that will be the Russian "causi belli"...major Russian military asset, its the red line, and some of these ####ing pencil necked geeks dont know the Russian DNA, what makes them tick. Putin is NOBODY to mess with, he was raised on the milk of the suffering of the Russian people during what they call "The Great patriotic War", and he's not some blundering soviet era appartchnik, he's smart and cunning, and i think the Russians, after watching us blow into Iraq and Afghanistan, have said ENOUGH.

i cannot emphasize enough how game changing this developement is, God help us all, Shea
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Dutch, i could not agree more wholeheartedly. (and brokenheartedly, coz it DOES NOT have to be like this) with your read. (hey ya Doc)

If this is 2 or 3 more sources away from verifiable, this is the "GO BUTTON"....not the 'set your hair on fire' button, its the calm, together, coherent get out now button.

Tartus is KEY, that will be the Russian "causi belli"...major Russian military asset, its the red line, and some of these ####ing pencil necked geeks dont know the Russian DNA, what makes them tick. Putin is NOBODY to mess with, he was raised on the milk of the suffering of the Russian people during what they call "The Great patriotic War", and he's not some blundering soviet era appartchnik, he's smart and cunning, and i think the Russians, after watching us blow into Iraq and Afghanistan, have said ENOUGH.

i cannot emphasize enough how game changing this developement is, God help us all, Shea

I agree. Someone (forget who) recently said here that the Russians are the kind who will blow your brains out with a smile on their face. They're NOT like us.


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mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Agree completely with the sentiments posted above.

Further, there seems a serious lack of urgent diplomacy going on in a public way.

To me, this points either to a lack of effort by the Obama administration (especially given the State dept failure through the UN) or the fact that the Russians and their axis of co-opted and like minded nation states are hell bent on pushing the west to put up or shut up.

That is, unless there is a whole other agenda at work and war is the answer to the troubles of the elite.

Mike
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
A thought....

For the Russians to sent this force via ship does a couple of things:

- They can move and inject into Syria a full force in one lift with all of its equipment.

- The time it takes for them to get there ratchets up the international pressure and puts it over a longer period in the Obama Admin's face, giving all of the media a chance to cover it.

- They're setting up a situation where these troops can be interdicted and create an even bigger international incident if anyone is so inclined.

ETA: Yup, Putin and his lieutenants are not apparatchiks, for the KGB was in the main a meritocracy and definitely shows the weaknesses in the Chicago sprouted administration.
 
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jehu

Mapper of Landmarks
Agree completely with the sentiments posted above.

Further, there seems a serious lack of urgent diplomacy going on in a public way.

To me, this points either to a lack of effort by the Obama administration (especially given the State dept failure through the UN) or the fact that the Russians and their axis of co-opted and like minded nation states are hell bent on pushing the west to put up or shut up.

That is, unless there is a whole other agenda at work and war is the answer to the troubles of the elite.

Mike

This development could make the Greece default look like a watering can in front of a Cat 5 hurricane.

What if someone thought that because we have troops in Afg, and Iraq that right now would be the time to face Russia, particularly if there is a Massive Unprecidented Economic Collapse on the near horizen and as everyone knows a good war will get the wheels of Industry moving like nothing else.....

Oh, and every sitting president gets re-elected during a war....
 

jehu

Mapper of Landmarks
I doubt this war will be the start of WW3. A different war instead.

Are you referring to one in which the blood comes up to the horses bridles?

I don't see how if the US and Russia square off, the remainder of the word would not be dragged into the conflict.
 

RobinYyes

Deceased
So....when war breaks out between Israel and Iran, which is highly likely, Syria will be dragged into it, as has happened in all previous Mid-East wars. That means Russian TROOPS (not just advisors), will likely be waging war against Israel. Armageddon, anyone?

That would be the 'hook in the jaw'. Yuppers its that time folks!
 

Periwinkle

Deceased
I know I don't respond much to the threads...mostly just read and learn and pray alot. Thank you ALL for gathering all the information and sharing it witht he rest of us. All I can say at this point is just WOW!!! God Bless you all and be safe!!
 

SIRR1

Deceased
Thanks Dutch and Fung

to guard Russia’s deep-water port and military base at the Syrian city of Tartus

I thought that this was Syria, not Russia -- call me confused



Just like we have GITMO in Cuba let the Soviets have Tartus and a port in the Med.

Try like hell to not confront the Soviets head on...

Next week BHO needs to tell Putin he can have his port but they have to give up on Assad.


Dutch please add me to your list as well if you would please and thank you! SIRR1
 

Shea Grey

Membership Revoked by Request
fwiw, at 1221 CST crude oil is trading 6 cents lower at 83.85. you would think, crude would be zipping higher, with such news, but then again....
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
There isn't enough en route in the 1st wave for those poor sorry suckers to be anything other than human shields.

Its one thing to attack Syria in the midst of a perceived humanitarian crisis.

Its another thing entirely to attack Russian soldiers.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
There isn't enough en route in the 1st wave for those poor sorry suckers to be anything other than human shields.

Its one thing to attack Syria in the midst of a perceived humanitarian crisis.

Its another thing entirely to attack Russian soldiers.

Yup, same gambit they pulled in Kosovo vs. Clinton when they put that airborne unit into a key airfield and told NATO to go away.
 

northern watch

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Big powers move in on Syria: Russian troops for Tartus. US forces ready to go

DEBKAfile Special Report June 15, 2012, 7:39 PM (GMT+02:00)

A contingent of Russian special forces is on its way to Syria to guard the Russian navy’s deep-water port at the Syria’s Mediterranean coastal town of Tartus, Pentagon officials informed US NBC TV Friday, June 15. They are coming by ship. According to Debkafile’s sources, the contingent is made up of naval marines and is due to land in Syria in the coming hours.

In a separate and earlier announcement, US Defense Department sources in Washington reported that the US military had completed its own planning for a variety of US operations against Syria, or for assisting neighboring countries in the event action was ordered – a reference, according to our sources, to Turkey, Jordan and Israel.

The Syrian civil war is now moving into a new phase of major power military intervention, say Debkafile’s military sources. Moscow, by sending troops to Syria without UN Security Council approval, has set up a precedent for the United States, the European Union and Arab governments to follow. They all held back from sending troops to Syria because all motions to apply force for halting the bloodshed in Syria was blocked in the UN body.

According to US military sources, in recent weeks, the Pentagon has finalized its assessment of what types of units would be needed and how many troops. The military planning includes a scenario for a no-fly zone as well as protecting chemical and biological sites. The U.S. Navy is maintaining a presence of three surface combatants and a submarine in the eastern Mediterranean to conduct electronic surveillance and reconnaissance on the Syrian regime, a senior Pentagon official said
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http://www.debka.com/article/22088/...ssian-troops-for-Tartus-US-forces-ready-to-go

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China Connection

TB Fanatic
Six weeks grace till World War Three starts! Um, better than nothing! Six weeks plus before everyone is aware of a whole world financial collapse. Let’s call that late September.

Going to be a bad winter.
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
http://www.jpost.com/Features/FrontLines/Article.aspx?id=273925

Security and Defense: Chemically unstable
By YAAKOV KATZ
06/14/2012 22:50
Syria’s chemical weapons program has been focus of Israeli intelligence operations since the mid-1970s.
Chemical WMDs (illustrative) Photo: Reuters
It was July 2007 and in Aleppo, Syria, the muezzins were just starting to issue the early-morning call for prayers. It was a different Syria at the time – Bashar Assad’s rule appeared stable and was not threatened by rebels. Barely anyone knew that not far from the city, Assad was building a nuclear reactor that would be destroyed a few months later in a lightning Israeli airstrike.

But then the city was rocked by an explosion. Looking out their windows, residents could see smoke rising from a military base located on the outskirts of the ancient city.

The damage was isolated to a single building, one that very few people – even those who served in the base – knew the purpose of.

Fifteen people were reported killed and several dozen more were rushed to the Aleppo University Hospital nearby with severe burns all over their bodies. Later, some residents would hear rumors about a number of Iranians being among the wounded and yelling out in Farsi as they were treated for their wounds.

The Syrians immediately blocked off the base and prevented the media from reaching the scene. They also tried to destroy any evidence of the work that was taking place inside.

Syrian state TV ran a story claiming that the hot summer temperatures, which can reach up to 50 degrees Celsius in the area, set off some explosive material that was being stored in an old arms depot.

The problem with the Syrian claim was that the explosion took place at 4:30 a.m., almost two hours before sunrise, when cool breezes were still coming in over the hilltops from the Mediterranean Sea some 150 kilometers away.

A few months would pass before the real nature of the explosion was to be revealed.

Apparently, the base everyone in Aleppo thought was an old arms dump was really one of the most secretive installations in Syria’s chemical weapons program. The nondescript building that was destroyed in the blast had been a sophisticated laboratory used to manufacture non-conventional warheads with VX, Sarin and mustard gas.

The explosion took place as Syrian and Iranian engineers were reportedly trying to weaponize a Scud missile with a mustard gas warhead. The blast led to the dispersion of various chemical agents, causing the severe burns on people outside the facility who were not wearing the necessary protective gear.

One report quoted Syrian opposition sources who claimed that the base was also used to manufacture car bombs under the supervision of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps for attacks inside Iraq.

The Syrian-Iranian alliance was the result of a series of defense agreements the countries had signed since 2005 aimed at advancing military cooperation, including assistance each side would provide the other in the event of a military confrontation with Israel or the United States. The agreements also reportedly included a Syrian commitment to allow Iran to store weapons on Syrian soil if it ever needed to.

Two years later, Maj.-Gen. (res.) Amos Yadlin, then-head of Military Intelligence, gave a little more insight into the way the relationship worked between the countries.

Weapons were usually designed and developed in Iran, Yadlin said in 2009, while production took place in Syria. When it was time to test the weapons, special invitations would be sent to Hezbollah and Hamas headquarters as well as to North Korea, which often sent its own military representatives to the events.

In recent weeks, The Jerusalem Post spoke with a number of senior government and military officials – some retired and others currently in office – about the nature of the threat that Israel faces from Syria’s chemical weapons and what it might need to do to stop it.

Israel’s concern focuses on two stark possibilities.

The first is that the weapons will fall into rogue hands – either al-Qaida or Hezbollah, which is believed to already be working to move some of the advanced military systems it has been storing in Syria to Lebanon out of fear that they will be captured by rebel forces. The takeover earlier this week of an air defense base in Syria by rebels underscores that fear.

The second option – considered more unlikely – is that Assad will use the weapons against Israel if he starts to think that his end is near. This way, he will try to divert attention away from the massacres his military forces have been perpetrating throughout Syria and instead have his people rally behind him in a war against Israel.

Syria’s chemical weapons program began in the mid 1970s. According to Maj.-Gen. (res.) Yehoshua Saguy, who served as head of Military Intelligence from 1979 to 1983, Egypt assisted the Syrians in starting the program.

“It was after the Yom Kippur War which they ultimately lost, and there were rumors about Israel’s purported nuclear capability,” Saguy recalled this week. “It was a totalitarian regime so they just diverted funds, purchased some basic capabilities from Egypt and later, with the help of experts from the former Soviet Union, began to build their own independent infrastructure.”

It took only a few years for the program to take off, and in 1982 the world witnessed what a dictator with chemical weapons was capable of doing. Hafez Assad ordered his military to quell Muslim Brotherhood protests in Hama. In addition to heavy shelling, the forces also used poisonous gas to kill the protesters.

At a later stage and as a cover, the Syrians established a civilian research facility near Damascus – called the Scientific Studies and Research Center – to purchase the dual-use technologies it needed for the production of its various chemical weapons: Sarin and VX nerve agents as well as mustard gas.

According to Maj.-Gen. (res.) Shlomo Gazit, Saguy’s predecessor as MI chief, the chemical program gained importance following the First Lebanon War in the summer of 1982.

“The Israel Air Force’s elimination of Syria’s surface-to-air missile systems during the war led to an understanding by the Syrians that they had nothing to do with an air force or combat aircraft,” Gazit said.

“Instead, they began to invest in surface-to-surface missiles as well as chemical weapons.”

As Syria began to upgrade the capability, Israeli and American intelligence agencies watched with grave concern. The CIA, the MI and the Mossad led the intelligence efforts and no resources were spared as the countries learned more about the program.

Saguy said that a main point of concern was the Soviet scientists’ involvement in the program. Israel had some experience in dealing with foreign scientists from the 1960s when German scientists were helping Egypt develop a rocket capability.

The covert campaign then – overseen by Mossad head Isser Harel – started with warnings to the scientists to stop their involvement in the program.

When they ignored the warnings, the scientists became targets.

“We had some experience dealing with this kind of thing before,” Saguy said, alluding to the Mossad’s activities in the 1960s.

But in addition to working to reportedly undermine the program, Israel also began to consider operational plans for what to do if a future war broke out with Syria and Assad decided to use his chemical weapons against Israel. As delivery systems, the Syrians had invested billions of dollars in establishing a ballistic missile capability, largely with Russian and North Korean assistance.

It is not known how many times the Syrians were close to using their chemical weapons against Israel. One case, though, was in September 2007, shortly after Israel bombed the Al Kibar nuclear reactor Assad was building covertly along the Euphrates River.

According to a US diplomatic cable from 2008 and published by Wikileaks, Assad had put his mobile missile forces on high alert after the strike but ultimately ordered them not to fire.

“Bashar is no dummy,” then-prime minister Ehud Olmert told a delegation of US congressmen visiting Jerusalem. “That took discipline.”

In recent years, as the explosion in 2007 demonstrated, Iran has played a key role in helping Syria upgrade its chemical weapons and missile capabilities. Israel has also long suspected that Saddam Hussein transferred some of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction to Syria in the weeks leading up to the US invasion of the country in 2003.

Today, Syria is assessed to have one of the largest chemical weapons arsenals in the world with thousands of bombs that can be dropped from the air alongside dozens of warheads that can be installed on Scud missiles.

In addition, in the late ’90s, the US warned that Syria was also developing warheads that can detonate in midair and disperse smaller bomblets packed with various nerve agents.

While Israel has developed the Arrow missile defense system to protect against Syrian Scuds, the major question is what it will do if intelligence one day shows the chemical weapons beginning to proliferate to rogue actors throughout the region.

Israel makes no secret of its concern or of the fact that it is closely tracking the weapons themselves.

“At this stage, the Syrian regime has firm control over the chemical weapons arsenal, but there are al-Qaida elements in Syria and therefore we are maintaining close scrutiny," Vice Prime Minister Moshe Ya’alon said earlier this week.

Israel is, however, not alone, and last month the US and Jordan held a large multinational military exercise which could have included drills aimed at preparing forces to enter Syria to secure the chemical weapons if and when Assad falls.

The Washington Post revealed that the US was looking into the possibility of establishing permanent bases in Jordan for small units of Marines or special operations troops who could be deployed rapidly throughout the region, including to Syria.

In late May, OC Northern Command Maj.-Gen. Yair Golan articulated this dilemma, saying that the government would need to consider attacking convoys carrying sophisticated and advanced Syrian weaponry if they are detected ahead of time.

“Would it be wise to intercept such a transfer or would this be nonsense?” Golan asked, presenting the dilemma.

Israel’s options vary. One possibility could be to attack from the air convoys of chemical weapons or bases where the weapons are stored. While this would be seen as an act of aggression by Israel, if done in the twilight of Assad’s regime, the chances that it would spark an all-out war would be slim.

On the other hand, an Israeli strike against a weapons convoy in Syria could provide Assad with the opportunity to use Israel as a scapegoat and divert attention away from his violent crackdown to Israeli violence.

“This is one of the most pressing issues on the country’s agenda at the moment,” a top defense official said recently.

None of the options are particularly appealing for Israel but with the situation in Syria escalating daily, a decision will need to be made. What Israel does could determine the future balance of power in this ever-changing Middle East.
 

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Friday, June 15 2012|Larry Derfner
I was a columnist and feature writer for The Jerusalem Post, as well as the correspondent in Israel for the U.S. News and World Report, for many years. I wrote feature articles for the Sunday Times of London during the second intifada, and have been writing for American Jewish publications since 1990. Politically, I would describe myself as an ultra-liberal Zionist; as journalist Bradley Burston put it, I’m “probably as far left as a centrist can be.” I was born in New York, grew up in Los Angeles and moved to Israel in 1985.



Lovely summer for a war
One of these lazy, sunny days, we’re likely to hear on the news that Israel has just bombed Iran.


http://972mag.com/lovely-summer-for-a-war/48443/

The question of whether Israel will soon attack Iran is one of those things where your senses completely deceive you. The more Israeli politicians and generals talk about it, the closer it seems, and the more fearful you become – but the bombast is a good sign that it’s not about to happen because if it was, they wouldn’t be talking about it so loud for Iran to hear. No, it’s when the rhetoric has quieted down, when things seem too peaceful for a war to just suddenly break out - when you don’t sense danger, when you’re not afraid - is when Netanyahu would have the maximum (though still miniscule) element of surprise against Iran and be most likely to pull the trigger.

Actually, now that I write this, I think Netanyahu figures this is exactly what the Iranians are thinking, so at some point he’s going to start beating the war drums really loud, and when they’re at their peak, when the Iranians are thinking that this isn’t the time, that’s when he’ll give the order.

Well, who really knows if Bibi is second-guessing or third-guessing Iran on how to catch them unawares, or as unawares as is still possible. What I am pretty well convinced of, though, is that barring the virtual impossibility of Iran’s agreeing very soon to shut down its entire nuclear project and let Israel verify that it has, then if Obama will not attack Iran – and it seems he won’t - Bibi will. Within the coming months. Sometime before the November 2 presidential election - a one-time window of opportunity when Israel can do whatever it wants and get the White House’s support - but long enough before the vote so it doesn’t look like Bibi is timing the war to influence its outcome. Before October, I’d say.I don’t understand people who think Netanyahu is bluffing. Sure, he’s threatening war partially for effect – he wants to scare America and Europe into pressuring Iran in the hope that this will convince Khameini to halt the nuclear project; naturally, Bibi would prefer to neutralize Iran without having to fire a shot. But what if Iran doesn’t agree and goes on enriching uranium and acting suspiciously, as it’s doing? Is Bibi then going to trust Obama or Romney to save Israel from what he envisions as a second Holocaust, knowing that he will bear eternal responsibility if they don’t? I don’t believe he considers that an option. And I think that in Netanyahu’s position, most of the prime ministers before him would probably size things up the same way. Israeli-style fear and aggression didn’t start with Bibi, I’m afraid.

Three months ago, he told Channel 2 that stopping Iran’s nuclear program was “not a matter of days or weeks. It is also not a matter of years.” That would seem to leave “months” as the time frame he had in mind.

And today, Moshe “Bugi” Ya’alon, the vice premier and former IDF chief of staff, told Haaretz’s Ari Shavit in a long interview that everything we’re seeing and hearing is absolutely for real.


Q. Israel is not believed either internationally or domestically. The feeling is that Israel is crying wolf and playing a sophisticated game of ‘Hold me back.’
Ya’alon: Let me say one thing to you in English, because it is very important for English speakers to understand it: We are not bluffing. If the political-economic pressure is played out and the other alternatives are played out, and Iran continues to hurtle toward a bomb, decisions will have to be made.
Q. Is there a danger that the Iranian crisis will reach its peak already in the year ahead?
Ya’alon: There was a time when we talked about a decade. Afterward we talked about years. Now we are talking about months. It is possible that the sanctions will suddenly work. But presently we are in a situation that necessitates a daily check. I am not exaggerating: daily. From our point of view, Iranian ability to manufacture nuclear weapons is a sword held over our throat. The sword is getting closer and closer. Under no circumstances will Israel agree to let the sword touch its throat.


There’s one other thing that convinces me Bibi’s going to do it: He has this Roman air about him now. He has this flat stare, he talks quietly, with little expression – as if it’s beneath his station to exert himself, as if all he has to do is be there for everyone and everything to arrange itself according to his will, which is unerring. He’s always been a hugely arrogant, vain person, the power and prestige have always gone straight to his head – but he’s never had such power and prestige as he has now, and his head is the size of the sun. Obama is nothing to him, America is nothing to him, other people’s opinions are nothing to him. He’s invincible. He will do what he wants to do, when he wants to do it.

I know this is hard to imagine. The sun’s shining, people are looking forward to going on vacation; the idea that Israel is about to start a war with Iran that could bring in (as Ya’alon expects it will) Lebanon, Gaza and maybe Syria, too, seems ridiculous. It contradicts the evidence of our senses. But the senses are one thing, and reason is another, and my reason, at least, says that one of these lazy, sunny days, the war Bibi’s been promising us for so long will be here. On schedule.
 

China Connection

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Big powers move in on Syria: Russian troops for Tartus. US forces ready to goDEBKAfile Special Report June 15, 2012, 7:39 PM (GMT+02:00) Tags: Syria US military action Russian military A contingent of Russian special forces is on its way to Syria to guard the Russian navy’s deep-water port at the Syria’s Mediterranean coastal town of Tartus, Pentagon officials informed US NBC TV Friday, June 15. They are coming by ship. According to debkafile’s sources, the contingent is made up of naval marines and is due to land in Syria in the coming hours.

In a separate and earlier announcement, US Defense Department sources in Washington reported that the US military had completed its own planning for a variety of US operations against Syria, or for assisting neighboring countries in the event action was ordered – a reference, according to our sources, to Turkey, Jordan and Israel.
The Syrian civil war is now moving into a new phase of major power military intervention, say debkafile’s military sources. Moscow, by sending troops to Syria without UN Security Council approval, has set up a precedent for the United States, the European Union and Arab governments to follow. They all held back from sending troops to Syria because all motions to apply force for halting the bloodshed in Syria was blocked in the UN body.

According to US military sources, in recent weeks, the Pentagon has finalized its assessment of what types of units would be needed and how many troops. The military planning includes a scenario for a no-fly zone as well as protecting chemical and biological sites. The U.S. Navy is maintaining a presence of three surface combatants and a submarine in the eastern Mediterranean to conduct electronic surveillance and reconnaissance on the Syrian regime, a senior Pentagon official said.

http://www.debka.com/article/22088/...ssian-troops-for-Tartus-US-forces-ready-to-go
 

Ranger

Membership Revoked
Years ago a friend of mine told me that all governments
worldwide are in trouble with there peoples. Nothing like
a "good diversion" (war) to keep respective nations peoples
"in line"; this time it's likely to be the "bread line". Preparedness
spiritually, mentally, and physically is in order for those
awake to the implications of this latest series of events and
movement of the "chess pieces".

Ranger
 

sthrnfriedrocker

Veteran Member
Russia Sending Air and Sea Defenses to Syria, Exporter Says
By ANDREW E. KRAMER
Published: June 15, 2012

MOSCOW — Russia’s chief arms exporter said Friday that his company was shipping advanced defensive missile systems to Syria that could be used to shoot down airplanes or sink ships if the United States or other nations try to intervene to halt the country’s spiral of violence.

“I would like to say these mechanisms are really a good means of defense, a reliable defense against attacks from the air or sea,” Anatoly P. Isaykin, the general director of the company, Rosoboronexport, said Friday in an interview. “This is not a threat, but whoever is planning an attack should think about this.”

His remarks come just days after Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton raised diplomatic pressure on Russia, Syria’s patron, by criticizing the Kremlin for sending attack helicopters to Damascus, and amid reports that Moscow was preparing to send an amphibious landing vessel and a small company of marines to the Syrian port of Tartus, to provide security for military installations and infrastructure, if it becomes necessary.

As the weapons systems are not considered cutting edge, Mr. Isaykin’s disclosures carried greater symbolic import than military significance. They contributed to a cold war chill that has been settling over relations between Washington and Moscow ahead a meeting between President Obama and President Vladimir V. Putin, their first, on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit meeting in the Mexican resort of Los Cabos next week.

Aleksander Golts, an independent military analyst in Moscow, said the Russians’ discussion of defensive weapons shipments “undoubtedly” serves as a warning to Western countries contemplating an intervention.

“Russia uses these statements as a form of deterrence in Syria,” he said. “They show other countries that they are more likely to suffer losses.”

Throughout the Syrian crisis, Russia has insisted that all its arms sales to the isolated government of President Bashar al-Assad have been defensive in nature, and that the weapons were not being used in the Syrian leader’s violent campaign to suppress the opposition.

Mr. Isaykin underlined the point, but in a way that could also be interpreted as a warning to the West against undertaking military action of the sort that ousted Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi from power in Libya. Mr. Putin viewed that action as a breach of sovereignty that he does not want repeated.

Yet, as news reports of government massacres emerge almost daily from Syria, the prospect of the United States or NATO acting unilaterally has become a more frequently discussed option, particularly given Russia’s adamant refusal to authorize more aggressive United Nations action.

Mr. Isaykin, a powerful figure in Russia’s military industry, openly discussed the weapons being shipped to Syria: the Pantsyr-S1, a radar-guided missile and artillery system capable of hitting warplanes at altitudes well above those typically flown during bombing sorties, and up to 12 miles away; Buk-M2 antiaircraft missiles, capable of striking airplanes at even higher altitudes, up to 82,000 feet, and at longer ranges; and land-based Bastion antiship missiles that can fire at targets 180 miles from the coast.

Military analysts immediately questioned the effectiveness of the air defenses Russia has made available to the Middle East, including Syria, none of which have offered even token resistance to Western forces.

Ruslan Aliyev, an authority on military affairs at the Center for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies in Moscow, said that statements by Mr. Isaykin and others were issued principally for political effect. Moscow has declined to supply Syria with its most lethal air defense, the S-300 long-range missile system.

“As far as I understand, Syria is not able to defend itself from NATO, just like it failed to defend its nuclear facility from Israel’s September 2007 airstrike,” Mr. Aliyev wrote in an e-mailed response to questions. “Russian armaments are unlikely to be significantly helpful, I’m afraid.”

Since Mrs. Clinton’s statement, both sides have sought to play down the helicopters’ significance, saying they were of marginal use militarily. A State Department spokeswoman, Victoria Nuland, said Thursday that the secretary of state was referring to three helicopters that were returned recently to Syria after being refurbished in Russia.

In the interview, Mr. Isaykin said that the contract to overhaul the helicopters was signed in 2008, was never secret and had been reported to international organizations. “It was an absolutely routine contract,” he said.

Syria has spent about $500 million annually in recent years on Russian weaponry, Mr. Isaykin said in the interview, an order book that amounts to about 5 percent of Rosoboronexport’s business.

For nearly a decade, Mr. Isaykin said, Rosoboronexport had no Syrian orders for rifles, ammunition, ground-to-ground rockets, helicopters and their onboard weapons or armored vehicles — the basic tools of a conflict that is escalating into civil war.

The Middle East, he said, is “flooded” with Soviet-style small arms, often made in knockoff versions by the Chinese or Eastern Europeans, elbowing Russia out of this market.

The Russian arms trade business with Syria has depended in recent years on large and complex antiaircraft systems. They violate no United Nations sanctions, he said, and cannot be used against civilians in a domestic conflict.

“We just send them to Syria,” he said. “Ask the Syrians where they put them.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/w...and-sea-defenses-to-syria.html?_r=1&ref=world
 

skip1

Membership Revoked
what Ivan Is up To Skipppy Update

They are not there to start WWIII ... LOL ... Secure the WMD they gave to Assad .. Let Amerika Sink deeper


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FYI: Iran will Start WWIII by nuking NYC
 

DennisRGH

Reset
Just like we have GITMO in Cuba let the Soviets have Tartus and a port in the Med.

Try like hell to not confront the Soviets head on...

Next week BHO needs to tell Putin he can have his port but they have to give up on Assad.


Dutch please add me to your list as well if you would please and thank you! SIRR1

^^^ yeah, something like this is probable.

It also allows the Russians to "save face" to a degree by keeping "their" port.

No WW3 over this.
 

Shea Grey

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Friday, June 15 2012|Larry Derfner
I was a columnist and feature writer for The Jerusalem Post, as well as the correspondent in Israel for the U.S. News and World Report, for many years. I wrote feature articles for the Sunday Times of London during the second intifada, and have been writing for American Jewish publications since 1990. Politically, I would describe myself as an ultra-liberal Zionist; as journalist Bradley Burston put it, I’m “probably as far left as a centrist can be.” I was born in New York, grew up in Los Angeles and moved to Israel in 1985.



Lovely summer for a war
One of these lazy, sunny days, we’re likely to hear on the news that Israel has just bombed Iran.


http://972mag.com/lovely-summer-for-a-war/48443/

The question of whether Israel will soon attack Iran is one of those things where your senses completely deceive you. The more Israeli politicians and generals talk about it, the closer it seems, and the more fearful you become – but the bombast is a good sign that it’s not about to happen because if it was, they wouldn’t be talking about it so loud for Iran to hear. No, it’s when the rhetoric has quieted down, when things seem too peaceful for a war to just suddenly break out - when you don’t sense danger, when you’re not afraid - is when Netanyahu would have the maximum (though still miniscule) element of surprise against Iran and be most likely to pull the trigger.

Actually, now that I write this, I think Netanyahu figures this is exactly what the Iranians are thinking, so at some point he’s going to start beating the war drums really loud, and when they’re at their peak, when the Iranians are thinking that this isn’t the time, that’s when he’ll give the order.

Well, who really knows if Bibi is second-guessing or third-guessing Iran on how to catch them unawares, or as unawares as is still possible. What I am pretty well convinced of, though, is that barring the virtual impossibility of Iran’s agreeing very soon to shut down its entire nuclear project and let Israel verify that it has, then if Obama will not attack Iran – and it seems he won’t - Bibi will. Within the coming months. Sometime before the November 2 presidential election - a one-time window of opportunity when Israel can do whatever it wants and get the White House’s support - but long enough before the vote so it doesn’t look like Bibi is timing the war to influence its outcome. Before October, I’d say.I don’t understand people who think Netanyahu is bluffing. Sure, he’s threatening war partially for effect – he wants to scare America and Europe into pressuring Iran in the hope that this will convince Khameini to halt the nuclear project; naturally, Bibi would prefer to neutralize Iran without having to fire a shot. But what if Iran doesn’t agree and goes on enriching uranium and acting suspiciously, as it’s doing? Is Bibi then going to trust Obama or Romney to save Israel from what he envisions as a second Holocaust, knowing that he will bear eternal responsibility if they don’t? I don’t believe he considers that an option. And I think that in Netanyahu’s position, most of the prime ministers before him would probably size things up the same way. Israeli-style fear and aggression didn’t start with Bibi, I’m afraid.

Three months ago, he told Channel 2 that stopping Iran’s nuclear program was “not a matter of days or weeks. It is also not a matter of years.” That would seem to leave “months” as the time frame he had in mind.

And today, Moshe “Bugi” Ya’alon, the vice premier and former IDF chief of staff, told Haaretz’s Ari Shavit in a long interview that everything we’re seeing and hearing is absolutely for real.


Q. Israel is not believed either internationally or domestically. The feeling is that Israel is crying wolf and playing a sophisticated game of ‘Hold me back.’
Ya’alon: Let me say one thing to you in English, because it is very important for English speakers to understand it: We are not bluffing. If the political-economic pressure is played out and the other alternatives are played out, and Iran continues to hurtle toward a bomb, decisions will have to be made.
Q. Is there a danger that the Iranian crisis will reach its peak already in the year ahead?
Ya’alon: There was a time when we talked about a decade. Afterward we talked about years. Now we are talking about months. It is possible that the sanctions will suddenly work. But presently we are in a situation that necessitates a daily check. I am not exaggerating: daily. From our point of view, Iranian ability to manufacture nuclear weapons is a sword held over our throat. The sword is getting closer and closer. Under no circumstances will Israel agree to let the sword touch its throat.


There’s one other thing that convinces me Bibi’s going to do it: He has this Roman air about him now. He has this flat stare, he talks quietly, with little expression – as if it’s beneath his station to exert himself, as if all he has to do is be there for everyone and everything to arrange itself according to his will, which is unerring. He’s always been a hugely arrogant, vain person, the power and prestige have always gone straight to his head – but he’s never had such power and prestige as he has now, and his head is the size of the sun. Obama is nothing to him, America is nothing to him, other people’s opinions are nothing to him. He’s invincible. He will do what he wants to do, when he wants to do it.

I know this is hard to imagine. The sun’s shining, people are looking forward to going on vacation; the idea that Israel is about to start a war with Iran that could bring in (as Ya’alon expects it will) Lebanon, Gaza and maybe Syria, too, seems ridiculous. It contradicts the evidence of our senses. But the senses are one thing, and reason is another, and my reason, at least, says that one of these lazy, sunny days, the war Bibi’s been promising us for so long will be here. On schedule.

thanks CC, good eye.....well written.......i noticed that too.....its gotten real quiet out of Israel. i was just fooling with youtube, Aragorn "is" Israel, the 'thing' on the horse "is" Iran, meaning it will all happen very quick, 96 hours....it was rather telling when Ya'alon EMPHASIZED, "we are not bluffing".

 
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