EBOLA For those who think they can prep to treat the Ebola sick.

jersey juice

Senior Member
No one should get annoyed with these discussions, they are very real and complicated things to ponder.

It's easy for one to say that they will simply shelter in place, and if it becomes necessary then I hope we all can do it. But people have jobs, responsibilities, etc. it's easier to say we will stay put than to actually do it.

It's easy for me to say that I'll lockdown and anyone else who is foolish enough to dismiss the seriousness of the contagion and becomes infected can just fend for themselves. BUT, what if it's one of my foolish family members, could I just turn my back on them? A neighbor, beloved friend? What if it a loved one who became contagious not from foolishness but because they are professional healthcare workers and became infected while choosing to help save others?

Wether or not I can successfully help save infected people is not a black and white answer, some may die, some may live. The question of will I, should I is the question I may face, and not going to be an easy one to make.
 

OddOne

< Yes, I do look like that.
Okay, this thread is worthy of attention, for one simple reason:

All the sugar-coating in the world doesn't change the fact that real actions in the real world have real consequences and real people really die.

Mother Nature is a vicious, vindictive bitch during good times, and Ebola is rather less than forgiving when mishandled. If you are not mentally prepared to deal with this, you won't be very effective if/when the time comes and you have no other choice.
 

squeeksmom

Deceased
If you were born to hang, you'll never drown. What will be will be. Some will live, others will not - God's decision.

squeeks
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
95% of your preps should be towards not getting infected to begin with.
That being said, nothing is a 100%.

If hospitals and medical systems are available you or me won't have a choice to treat at home. Infected people will be removed to medical facilities.

If things got really bad, and hospitals and medical systems were not available, I like Christian for Israel's plan. It is also probably exactly what I would do, even knowing that my chances for not also catching the virus would be pretty slim.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
If I were a Public Health official, and I am not, (although I am a public policy maker,) I would not allow people to nurse the infected at home. It will guarantee the spread of the disease by exposure and create waste disposal issues and prolong the infectious period for the general population. It will feed the exponential increase of illness. The best strategy would logically be to contain the infectious (vectors) in one place and do everything we could to limit exposure to others via caregivers, waste and surface contamination.

If it comes to an epidemic, be prepared, because I have a suspicion the decision will be made for you and enforced through the National Guard or military.
 

Christian for Israel

Knight of Jerusalem
talk about nerve wracking...

as i said i drive a taxi. i did indeed give notice to my boss this week but what happened tonight is giving me second thoughts about simply leaving immediately. few people would think of tiny little Elko NV as being an international destination but, due to the gold mines in the area and the fact that the companies have mines all over the world we see our share of folks from other countries. well, tonight i picked up a black guy who spoke with a south african accent. i asked where he was from and he replied 'Liberia'...:shkr: :shkr: :shkr:

turns out he's been here a couple of months and so is safe but the incident has REALLY freaked me out!
 

bluelady

Veteran Member
Life is NOT an "all or nothing" venture.
Some are born with less than "everything", they know that intimately.
You do not need to be able to "administer intravenous fluids/medication" in order to care for an Ebola stricken loved one WHEN NORMAL MEDICAL CARE HAS COLLAPSED, and sick people are just being treated like they are in Liberia (dragged off to "lock up" holding centers, awaiting beds that do not exist in "treatment centers", just to die in the holding(waiting) center without ANY food, water, nursing care/clean up, writhing in agony till they die.

When the time comes that they can get better care at home than they can expect if "THEY GET ON THE BUS" to the "holding center" then keep them home. When, LIKE IN LIBERIA, EVEN ALL the "treatment centers" are offering is NOT IV FLUIDS but just rehydration drinks an occasional tylenol tablet and mushy rice, when the ill can eat, THEN it is time to keep them home. YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.

You do not NEED to be able to "interpret" all those medical blood pressure, heart rhythms and all the other nonsense the OP listed to make it seem IMPOSSIBLE. Why should IV's, Blood transfusions, "bagging", "intubation", "ventilation" and all that other "baffle them with bullshit" medical talk be used to discourage people WHEN THEY DONT EVEN GET THAT TREATMENT at the TREATMENT CENTERS! That kind of advanced life support is only available when the medical system is functioning close to normally. You dont need all those medical BP, respiration rate and other "stats" about the patient UNLESS IT WOULD CHANGE WHAT "TREATMENT" YOU WOULD GIVE! But when all you can do is give oral rehydration, and keep em clean and comfortable, you don't need "patient stats".

When the American medical care system. is overwhelmed like Liberia, and has collapsed,
If ALL that even the "treatment centers" are doing IS, Like Liberia now, ONLY
giving them oral rehydration solution and an occasional Tylenol and trying to keep them as clean and comfortable as possible,
Then, THERE IS NO EXTENSIVE MEDICAL TRAINING NEEDED FOR THAT.
You don't need a crash course in medicine.
YOU JUST NEED TO GET YOUR PREPS, AND
LEARN HOW TO CONTAIN INFECTION, NOT SPREAD GERMS, AND AVOID GETTING INFECTED for as much as is possible
with the equipment you have, and safest possible procedures you can devise.

Don't create a "straw man", NOBODY HERE INTENDS TO "HOME TREAT" their Ebola sick loved ones when and if adequate American medical care IS STILL FUNCTIONING significantly above the level and safety of home care.
NONE OF US ARE FOOLS, nor oblivious to the horror or dangers involved. But it takes courage to live, a coward dies a thousand deaths, a brave man (or woman) dies but once. If you are to die of Ebola, it will find you, no matter how deep you hide or how many friends and loved ones you shoot or drive out for them to die alone.


Personally, I would also be spiking the rehydration solution with reasonably large doses of Vitamin C, and giving an ounce or two of colloidal (Ionic) silver at least hourly and toward the worst, if it got worse, Curcumin to fight cytokine storms. Everyone in the home who have been EXPOSED including me, before symptoms STARTED, WOULD BE TAKING Vitamin C and Colloidal silver hourly to reduce their viral load and possibly avoid full infection overwhelming them.

Remember, REAL LOVE IS NOT WHAT YOU MERELY SAY, OR FEEL, REAL LOVE IS WHAT YOU DO OUT OF LOVE.

I normally avoid copying a whole long post in my response, but this one is so good it bears repeating.

Of course, I can't duplicate the highest levels of medical care at home...duh (sorry, I never say that) and of course I wouldn't attempt it if there was anyone available who could do better than I could. But if not, I would try my very best on my own, the extent of that depending of course on the situation. And sometimes, by the grace of God, that's enough. If not, I would have to be at peace that I'd done what I could. Not to mention that any knowledge or preps I can manage would come in handy for the many other medical situations that are statistically more likely anyway. Realism, practicality, and love are not mutually exclusive. If I don't try it's a guaranteed fail, and I don't give up that easily.
 

jazzy

Advocate Discernment
i have been thinking about all of this, i try to break things down real simple in my mind. i see 2 situations potentially, in a time frame where perhaps the medical care system fails and we are basically on our own. it seems most of us are considering and preparing for a self quarantine if ebola blows. that is what i am planning on. but my grown kids dont live near us and if i call them telling them we are locking down--well, i am doubting any of them will come right away. unless something scares them to get out of the city and makes them want to leave-----and im pondering the potentials.

1--say youve gone into lockdown to prevent exposure and hope to ride it out for a few months. ok, but after several days someone is feeling ill, coughing, sneezing, nauseated, getting a fever. out of caution you isolate that person in a room with hopefully a bathroom. you try to set it up and have one caregiver to feed and tend to the sick person and keep them isolated for 21 days. you hope it isnt ebola, that its just something else, but you cant know. the early symptoms look like the flu so you cant really know. you have to act as tho it IS. then you have to wonder if it IS who else have they possibly spread it to in your home.

all you can do is your very best and pray. sure it will be a 24/7. yes one has to study and learn proper suit up and decontamination steps, yes the caregiver should also be isolated from the rest of the home. i am still looking for these proper steps just to have them--if anyone has a link please share.

as frightening as it is, i will do my best to take care of a sick person with rehydrating fluids, lipsomal vit c, tylenol, activated charcoal for the nausea, vomiting and diarrhea, as i will do my best to try not to get it. dying of ebola is horrendous, but you know, we all die of something. its not how long we live but what we do with our lives. some of us are gonna die of this or a flu or a heart attack or get hit by a bus.....we are all gonna die somewhere, somehow. there have been pandemics, catastrophes, waves of them before in mankinds history with no modern medical services, medicines or expertise. some still survived or we would not be here---we are the descendants of the survivors of plagues and flu and what all. i kinda feel like aintfunny on this.

i cant turn away my family to save my own hide. im going to stand before God one day and give account of my actions, we all will.

the second scenario that bothers me is you have all locked down to ride it out and a week later here comes the son with his family that left too late to join you. he didnt really think it would be necessary and stayed too long in the city. you dont know if he or someone in his family has been exposed.
they have no where else to go, they are scared. they cant go home, its not safe there. turn them away? i dont think so.

id put them in a separate area, like the basement for 21 days. before they entered id put some blankets and towels and water bottles, portapotty thing and stuff down there, tell them they had to strip off their clothes and shoes to decontaminate with bleach spray, bag up their clothes and leave outside and put clean ones on before entering. they wont like it but thats what im gonna do, its what i have to do. they will have shelter, food but they cant come up until after 21 days have passed and no one is sick.

id leave food for them at the basement door, have them bag up their garbage. id do my best to provide for them for 21 days until they prove they are not infected. at this time id pump them with colloidal silver, lipsomal vit c. if someone does develop symptoms, well, then it gets hinky. for then they are all exposed.

then there is the matter of if son and family arrives and gets settled in the basement for their 21 days, what if #2 arrives with his family after that? where to put them for their 21 days, in the garage? this takes planning--ALL of this takes planning to deal with its different potential situations.

my mind sort of boggles at all this.
but while my mind is doing flips over how to handle all this, i know i have to do my best. and as bluelady says If I don't try it's a guaranteed fail, and I don't give up that easily.

yes, this is a nasty, horrific, terrifying disease but some survive with little to no modern medical care. heck the only care given in africa is rehyrdating fluids and tylenol and some gruel. there is no magic bullet, no cure---and if a cure did pop up, well id be kinda suspicious of it.

if we assume we will fail then we wont try. if we dont try we automatically fail.
 

moldy

Veteran Member
jazzy - awesome post! Very well-thought out, and pretty much what I would do. One point, though. We usually give activated charcoal to CAUSE vomiting and diarrhea (it binds to poisons and helps to get them out of the system). If you have a good doc, I would see if I could get a prescription for Zofran tabs (and get some immodium).
 

Be Well

may all be well
jazzy - awesome post! Very well-thought out, and pretty much what I would do. One point, though. We usually give activated charcoal to CAUSE vomiting and diarrhea (it binds to poisons and helps to get them out of the system). If you have a good doc, I would see if I could get a prescription for Zofran tabs (and get some immodium).

The personal story of the doctor who got Ebola from Sawyer in Nigeria and survived was told by the doctor who was treating her, NOT to take immodium, as the diarrhea gets rid of virus and to artificially stop the stools means the virus builds up in the body. I have of course no idea of the accuracy of this statement but the doctor details her sypmtoms and what her care consisted of (not much). Excellent read. I'll find it and bump it.
 

jazzy

Advocate Discernment
hi moldy,

ive aways used activated charcoal to slow down or stop vomiting, gas, diarrhea, works like a charm. ive read that it can help with getting rid of viruses in the body. sorry, never heard of it being used to cause vomiting, its never caused vomiting in me or my family....are you thinking of ipecac instead of activated charcoal?

i have used 2 things to stop diarrhea, activated charcoal made into a slurry and sipped with a strew and blackberry leaf tincture, a couple of tablespoons, both have worked for us very well.

be well, i remember now too what that dr said to the infected lady dr to not stop the diarrhea. got to look into that some more.
 

kittyknits

Veteran Member
No one should get annoyed with these discussions, they are very real and complicated things to ponder.

It's easy for one to say that they will simply shelter in place, and if it becomes necessary then I hope we all can do it. But people have jobs, responsibilities, etc. it's easier to say we will stay put than to actually do it.

It's easy for me to say that I'll lockdown and anyone else who is foolish enough to dismiss the seriousness of the contagion and becomes infected can just fend for themselves. BUT, what if it's one of my foolish family members, could I just turn my back on them? A neighbor, beloved friend? What if it a loved one who became contagious not from foolishness but because they are professional healthcare workers and became infected while choosing to help save others?

Wether or not I can successfully help save infected people is not a black and white answer, some may die, some may live. The question of will I, should I is the question I may face, and not going to be an easy one to make.


If you are serious about surviving, you will have to have a place to quarantine them for 21 days or lock them out. People did worse than anything discussed here during the Black Death, and most of us owe our being born to this fact. As for young children, it is inevitable that people will want to care for them; however, they should realize that most entire housholds will come down with ebola just like in W. Africa, and only 70-90 % of those people will survive.

There is so much sentimentality here and post #42 tells it like it is.

Someone told me a long time ago they liked me because I was a realist. Well, being a realist is nowhere near as fun as having your head in the clouds. I don't expect to survive this if it comes my way because of my husband, pure and simple. He thinks he is immune to everything and can bend reality to his wishes.
 

moldy

Veteran Member
Maybe it's the amount given. I want to say we give 60 gm (but maybe more). it comes in a tube like toothpaste and we give it all. Very few poisonings are treated with it anymore - for instance, for Tylenol, we give mucomyst - but it is given. I haven't seen ipecac given in ages, though. Can you even still buy it?
 
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