EBOLA For those who think they can prep to treat the Ebola sick.

Vegas321

Live free and survive
Lots of people posting on prepping to treat someone who gets sick with Ebola. I going to tell you straight up, you will fail. Tyvek suits are not going to work because you have to set up a system of Hot, warm, cold zones. You need a process to decontaminate the caregivers and dispose of the infected items. Not to mention, to will need a ton of suits to care for a infected person over a period of lets say, 10- 14 days. The isolation room itself is a big undertaking to set up, run and dispose of.

Now for the actual patient care that is required to keep an infected person alive to build a natural body response to fight Ebola and prevent complications and secondary infections that can occur from a weekend immune system.
You need a system to set up and monitor the patents vital signs. Yes, Blood pressure cuffs, Pulse oximeter, taking the persons temp are all the basics to have. But, can you interpret blood pressure readings and pulse rhythm and quality? How about respiration's rate rhythm and quality and know what to do if the patients condition changes? Can you see subtle signs in the persons overall condition that requires an intervention?
How about setting up an IV and adding medications via: the IV if a patent needs it? Do you have the supply's and the training to even do a proper IV? Lets look at when a patients condition worsens and they need oxygen. Do you have an endless supply of O2 to keep the patient from Hypoperfusion and causing a chain of events that will lead to the patients death? Do you know what the O2 flow that is needed to keep the patient perfusing properly? How about ventilating the patent. Do you know how to bag a patent? What if you need to assist with the patients breathing for hours or days? Do you have and know how to size and properly insert an advanced airway adjunct like a King or Combi tube? Can you incubate a patient? After all that, do you have the means of keeping the patient on a vent for days? Mr. Duncan is currently on a ventilator BTW. Lots of risks of infection when you do things like this. Do you have the medications to treat via: IV? How about a blood transfusion? Know anything about the treatment of giving blood without a catastrophic event and rejection taking place? How about an allergic reaction? Can you treat that properly? What was the patients history prior? Can you prevent blood clots from occurring? The list goes on and on folks.
Big medical facility's need lots of proper equipment and all hands on deck to care for one Ebola patient. Staff that has thousands of hours in medical training can stretch things to the limit.
I think the best thing we can do is to focus on prevention, not treatment of Ebola. If a loved one becomes i'll, have a preplanned way to get them to a medical facility for proper treatment to have the best hope for survival. If things become much worst. It's in Gods hands and maybe a little bit of luck that will save the sick.
 
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WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Frankly, it could come down to putting them outside in the shed with a few blankets and a jug of water - if it means that it keeps your kids from being infected and the only parent left from being infected.

If they were smart, that's what they would be doing in Africa right now. It will come.
 

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
Most of us are prepping to not have to get exposed. Shelter in place. However, it's still a worthy discussion because if American medical systems fail...which they will, we still have to do what we can. When there are no more beds, you will probably face either home quarantine/treatment or an internment "relocation facility."

Many will choose internment. No use in being defeatist. The decision to self treat will surely be preceded by many extenuating circumstances that you may not have control over. Even camps could run out of aid.

Captain Trips will be dealt with different ways be different people.

I understand that we have to be realistic but to say that it impossible to self treat is counter-productive. We might as well prepare for the worst if we are going to prepare at all, this may include setting up your own quarantine zone inside your own BOL. I think we'd rather learn what we can as best as we can while we can and not throw our hands up in the air and say "I give up."
 

joyfulheart

Veteran Member
Saying it's guaranteed to fail for treating at home is wrong.
It's possible.

Months ago (before the Ebola thing was even a blip on the news) I had a frequent voice say "Would you be able to take care of your family if you didn't have access to hospitals?". It nagged at me for weeks. I started praying about it, buying a few things and suddenly Ebola in Africa was on the news.

I'm not specifically preparing for that. It may be the enterovirus. It may be the flu. It may be for some other bizarre plague that decides to pop up... I think all of us would choose to go to a hospital over having to treat something so horrible at home. DUH. But what if doctors and hospitals are not an option?

Frankly I'm a bit annoyed by your attitude and the declaration that we WILL FAIL.
If God has led me to prepare, it's for a reason. And if HE led me to do it, I cannot fail.
 

Vegas321

Live free and survive
It's not a thread to be defeatist. It's a cold splash of water to inform folks that it's a huge effort to treat a sick Ebola patient and treat someone without the caregiver becoming a victim. Can it be done, yes. But buying a bunch of supply's and having very little knowledge will be a fruitless and failed task. Even for people who have a good amount of clinical experience will find treatment an uphill battle. Life is not easy and people should not think that treatment of a sick Ebola patient can be done on preps and little knowledge alone. Even the medical community is struggling on how they are also becoming infected.

It's an exercise to think.
 

Sherrynboo

Veteran Member
JoyfulHeart, I was in the middle of prayer/meditation when " Are you ready?" popped into my mind, just out of the blue. This was about 2 weeks ago. I hope I am!

Sherry in GA
 

Greenspode

Veteran Member
Lots of people posting on prepping to treat someone who gets sick with Ebola. I going to tell you straight up, you will fail. Tyvek suits are not going to work because you have to set up a system of Hot, warm, cold zones. You need a process to decontaminate the caregivers and dispose of the infected items. Not to mention, to will need a ton of suits to care for a infected person over a period of lets say, 10- 14 days. The isolation room itself is a big undertaking to set up, run and dispose of.

Now for the actual patient care that is required to keep an infected person alive to build a natural body response to fight Ebola and prevent complications and secondary infections that can occur from a weekend immune system.
You need a system to set up and monitor the patents vital signs. Yes, Blood pressure cuffs, Pulse oximeter, taking the persons temp are all the basics to have. But, can you interpret blood pressure readings and pulse rhythm and quality? How about respiration's rate rhythm and quality and know what to do if the patients condition changes? Can you see subtle signs in the persons overall condition that requires an intervention?
How about setting up an IV and adding medications via: the IV if a patent needs it? Do you have the supply's and the training to even do a proper IV? Lets look at when a patients condition worsens and they need oxygen. Do you have an endless supply of O2 to keep the patient from Hypoperfusion and causing a chain of events that will lead to the patients death? Do you know what the O2 flow that is needed to keep the patient perfusing properly? How about ventilating the patent. Do you know how to bag a patent? What if you need to assist with the patients breathing for hours or days? Do you have and know how to size and properly insert an advanced airway adjunct like a King or Combi tube? Can you incubate a patient? After all that, do you have the means of keeping the patient on a vent for days? Mr. Duncan is currently on a ventilator BTW. Lots of risks of infection when you do things like this. Do you have the medications to treat via: IV? How about a blood transfusion? Know anything about the treatment of giving blood without a catastrophic event and rejection taking place? How about an allergic reaction? Can you treat that properly? What was the patients history prior? Can you prevent blood clots from occurring? The list goes on and on folks.
Big medical facility's need lots of proper equipment and all hands on deck to care for one Ebola patient. Staff that has thousands of hours in medical training can stretch things to the limit.
I think the best thing we can do is to focus on prevention, not treatment of Ebola. If a loved one becomes i'll, have a preplanned way to get them to a medical facility for proper treatment to have the best hope for survival. If things become much worst. It's in Gods hands and maybe a little bit of luck that will save the sick.

So what do you propose that we do with, say, our 8 year old who is sick? Just send them off into the woods with a pep talk, a sleeping bag and a Gogurt? Give me a break. Can it be done? Yes. People do it. Will it be successful? Who knows, but most people love their children enough to try. Not everyone is stupid you know, but we do a responsibility to try and care for our children.

I plan to not have my loved ones get sick, but if they do Im sure as hell not gonna kick them out to die alone in the yard. We are, after all, supposed to be humans.
 

joyfulheart

Veteran Member
JoyfulHeart, I was in the middle of prayer/meditation when " Are you ready?" popped into my mind, just out of the blue. This was about 2 weeks ago. I hope I am!

Sherry in GA

It seems when god speaks to me it is a call to move on an action. Boy am I moving right now! Lol
 

cornanj

Senior Member
So what do you propose that we do with, say, our 8 year old who is sick? Just send them off into the woods with a pep talk, a sleeping bag and a Gogurt? Give me a break. Can it be done? Yes. People do it. Will it be successful? Who knows, but most people love their children enough to try. Not everyone is stupid you know, but we do a responsibility to try and care for our children.

I plan to not have my loved ones get sick, but if they do Im sure as hell not gonna kick them out to die alone in the yard. We are, after all, supposed to be humans.

Thank you. Well said.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
I don't think it is a defeatist thread at all. I want to win this game. I want my kids and grandkids to win this game.
The only realist was to win is to take it seriously and do what is necessary to avoid infection.

You want defeatist? Try this.
First you get it and you die. But you don't have to worry about whether to have an open casket or not because your body is a biohazard and there will be no casket and there will be no funeral everyone that really loved you is sick with the Ebola that you gave them.

What am I going to do? I am going to ask my exwife to come take care of me when I get Ebola.
 

Vegas321

Live free and survive
I don't think it is a defeatist thread at all. I want to win this game. I want my kids and grandkids to win this game.
The only realist was to win is to take it seriously and do what is necessary to avoid infection.

You want defeatist? Try this.
First you get it and you die. But you don't have to worry about whether to have an open casket or not because your body is a biohazard and there will be no casket and there will be no funeral everyone that really loved you is sick with the Ebola that you gave them.

What am I going to do? I am going to ask my exwife to come take care of me when I get Ebola.

Raven gets it.

I want people to think about the reality of what needs to be done. This kind of thing is real and can be very unforgiving. I want people here to have the best informed plan to prevent and with the right knowledge, save their loved ones if they have an infection. Remember an article some time ago, a fellow preppers title, when SHTF and preppers will die?
 

raven

TB Fanatic
I am really , really bad about using horrid examples. I am sorry.

What I hope for everyone is that you are able to avoid infection and that those near and dear to you avoid infection - 100%
 

JDSeese

Veteran Member
What am I going to do? I am going to ask my exwife to come take care of me when I get Ebola.

This thought crossed my mind too. Damn funny right there!!

If this thing gets legs, I intend to have a serious discussion with my wife. We have four kids; I have two from my first marriage, she has one from her first, and we have an infant of our own. All loved dearly. I want us to be on the same page as far as how we will react if any of us start to be symptomatic.

If it's one of the adults, the rest of the family is to stay FAR away, hightail it out of here to safety (if any can be found), and leave whoever is sick to fend for themselves. If it's one of the kids... well, most likely I will stay with the ill one, and mama will take the well ones and head for safety. Hopefully there will be medical professionals to perform a rescue, or it will turn out to be "just" the flu. If they are suffering too much, and there's no hope for salvation, well...

Splitting the family would be a heartrending moment, with no chance to even hug goodbye. I can't even bear to imagine it. But it's necessary to imagine, so that we will be prepared to make the tough decisions. We are cherishing every moment we have together at the moment.

Anyone got any better advice, I'd be glad to hear it.
 

SAPPHIRE

Veteran Member
IMO..........I agree with Vegas321........I have no medical training and neither does DH...........my two sons are mature (!) men.........and all other folks are very far in miles.......so....I could not care for myself, my husband nor my sons if the care required such procedures.........I hope and pray we never face it....but death would be a blessing compared to such an horrible situation for all to bear........

I'm not afraid of death......for I know my Redeemer........but the dying part is pretty grim.............
 

Scar

Contributing Member
People dealt with nasty chemicals, viruses and toxins everyday without becoming exposed to the substances. It can be done, but it is diffucult without the proper tools and training. There are plenty of resources on the net about hazmat decontamination that can get you off on the right foot. Besides equipment and gear, you need the right mindset. Think positive! If you enter this ebola battle with a defeatist attitude...don't be surprised by the outcome!
 
Maybe, just maybe, some of us have suits to protect ourselves while we're out and about in a public world gone mad.
Just maybe? :)
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
I agree with Vegas. Unless this gets to the pandemic stage where there is no place to receive the ill, TPTB will not allow you to nurse a known case at home. Public Health will want to isolate the patient and control the disposal and transport of infected materials associated with treating them. Treatment will likely require a level of care that you cannot provide. No medical person is going to come to your house. You will be depriving the ill person of treatment and palliative care that they might otherwise get and you will likely be signing your own death warrant as well as that of anyone who stays in the same house with the person in the end stages of the disease.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm not prepping to set up a field hospital. But if someone whom I love shows up with Ebola, I'm not going to turn them away. Yes, I know that I stand a good chance of dying from trying to keep them alive. But what good is surviving a plaque, if I can't live with myself afterwards?????
 

Annika

Senior Member
Last week I went to dH's family reunion. We always visit the family cemetery. It is sad to see all the little ones who died days from one another. This was during the 1918-1919 plague. Having a sister who is a Dr. in Dallas, and I personally work for a doctor, confirm what Vegas posted. Vegas knows the potential scenario. God help us.
 
Lots of people posting on prepping to treat someone who gets sick with Ebola. I going to tell you straight up, you will fail. Tyvek suits are not going to work because you have to set up a system of Hot, warm, cold zones. You need a process to decontaminate the caregivers and dispose of the infected items. Not to mention, to will need a ton of suits to care for a infected person over a period of lets say, 10- 14 days. The isolation room itself is a big undertaking to set up, run and dispose of.

Now for the actual patient care that is required to keep an infected person alive to build a natural body response to fight Ebola and prevent complications and secondary infections that can occur from a weekend immune system.
You need a system to set up and monitor the patents vital signs. Yes, Blood pressure cuffs, Pulse oximeter, taking the persons temp are all the basics to have. But, can you interpret blood pressure readings and pulse rhythm and quality? How about respiration's rate rhythm and quality and know what to do if the patients condition changes? Can you see subtle signs in the persons overall condition that requires an intervention?
How about setting up an IV and adding medications via: the IV if a patent needs it? Do you have the supply's and the training to even do a proper IV? Lets look at when a patients condition worsens and they need oxygen. Do you have an endless supply of O2 to keep the patient from Hypoperfusion and causing a chain of events that will lead to the patients death? Do you know what the O2 flow that is needed to keep the patient perfusing properly? How about ventilating the patent. Do you know how to bag a patent? What if you need to assist with the patients breathing for hours or days? Do you have and know how to size and properly insert an advanced airway adjunct like a King or Combi tube? Can you incubate a patient? After all that, do you have the means of keeping the patient on a vent for days? Mr. Duncan is currently on a ventilator BTW. Lots of risks of infection when you do things like this. Do you have the medications to treat via: IV? How about a blood transfusion? Know anything about the treatment of giving blood without a catastrophic event and rejection taking place? How about an allergic reaction? Can you treat that properly? What was the patients history prior? Can you prevent blood clots from occurring? The list goes on and on folks.
Big medical facility's need lots of proper equipment and all hands on deck to care for one Ebola patient. Staff that has thousands of hours in medical training can stretch things to the limit.
I think the best thing we can do is to focus on prevention, not treatment of Ebola. If a loved one becomes i'll, have a preplanned way to get them to a medical facility for proper treatment to have the best hope for survival. If things become much worst. It's in Gods hands and maybe a little bit of luck that will save the sick.

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AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The short answers to your questions are yes,yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, never did blood typing, yes yes and yes. I've run teams in hot cold and warm zones in a MOPP 4 environment and have dealt first hand with decon procedures in N,B and C environments. I learned from the best. Yup, done the BVM route and although I can't incubate someone; I can INTUBATE them.
I've been very lucky-I have been able to train and learn and certify. But, I'm almost 100% certain most, if not all of the people on this board will do the absolute best they can to save their loved ones in the coming Ebola pandemic (and it is coming-it's merely a matter of when).
There may, or may not be "fail"in these fellow TB2K'ers efforts to treat others with ebola. But don't minimize their efforts, their preps nor their determination in
attempting to save their loved ones. I'd rather have someone who has few skills, but lots of determination doing their best beside me than someone trained out the wazoo and knowing everything under the sun freezing solid when the shit hits the fan.......................:popcorn1::soap:

Lots of people posting on prepping to treat someone who gets sick with Ebola. I going to tell you straight up, you will fail. Tyvek suits are not going to work because you have to set up a system of Hot, warm, cold zones. You need a process to decontaminate the caregivers and dispose of the infected items. Not to mention, to will need a ton of suits to care for a infected person over a period of lets say, 10- 14 days. The isolation room itself is a big undertaking to set up, run and dispose of.

Now for the actual patient care that is required to keep an infected person alive to build a natural body response to fight Ebola and prevent complications and secondary infections that can occur from a weekend immune system.
You need a system to set up and monitor the patents vital signs. Yes, Blood pressure cuffs, Pulse oximeter, taking the persons temp are all the basics to have. But, can you interpret blood pressure readings and pulse rhythm and quality? How about respiration's rate rhythm and quality and know what to do if the patients condition changes? Can you see subtle signs in the persons overall condition that requires an intervention?
How about setting up an IV and adding medications via: the IV if a patent needs it? Do you have the supply's and the training to even do a proper IV? Lets look at when a patients condition worsens and they need oxygen. Do you have an endless supply of O2 to keep the patient from Hypoperfusion and causing a chain of events that will lead to the patients death? Do you know what the O2 flow that is needed to keep the patient perfusing properly? How about ventilating the patent. Do you know how to bag a patent? What if you need to assist with the patients breathing for hours or days? Do you have and know how to size and properly insert an advanced airway adjunct like a King or Combi tube? Can you incubate a patient? After all that, do you have the means of keeping the patient on a vent for days? Mr. Duncan is currently on a ventilator BTW. Lots of risks of infection when you do things like this. Do you have the medications to treat via: IV? How about a blood transfusion? Know anything about the treatment of giving blood without a catastrophic event and rejection taking place? How about an allergic reaction? Can you treat that properly? What was the patients history prior? Can you prevent blood clots from occurring? The list goes on and on folks.
Big medical facility's need lots of proper equipment and all hands on deck to care for one Ebola patient. Staff that has thousands of hours in medical training can stretch things to the limit.
I think the best thing we can do is to focus on prevention, not treatment of Ebola. If a loved one becomes i'll, have a preplanned way to get them to a medical facility for proper treatment to have the best hope for survival. If things become much worst. It's in Gods hands and maybe a little bit of luck that will save the sick.
 
I have a strong clinical background. I have outstanding IV skills. Even if I had access to unlimited IV fluids, intubation/vent supplies and PPE, I would still expect to lose some of my family members. I don't consider myself defeatist. I'm a realist. Without God's hand of protection, we are in a lot of trouble. That's the cold, hard truth.
 

Slatewiper

Membership Revoked

Vegas321

Live free and survive
The short answers to your questions are yes,yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, never did blood typing, yes yes and yes. I've run teams in hot cold and warm zones in a MOPP 4 environment and have dealt first hand with decon procedures in N,B and C environments. I learned from the best. Yup, done the BVM route and although I can't incubate someone; I can INTUBATE them.
I've been very lucky-I have been able to train and learn and certify. But, I'm almost 100% certain most, if not all of the people on this board will do the absolute best they can to save their loved ones in the coming Ebola pandemic (and it is coming-it's merely a matter of when).
There may, or may not be "fail"in these fellow TB2K'ers efforts to treat others with ebola. But don't minimize their efforts, their preps nor their determination in
attempting to save their loved ones. I'd rather have someone who has few skills, but lots of determination doing their best beside me than someone trained out the wazoo and knowing everything under the sun freezing solid when the shit hits the fan.......................:popcorn1::soap:

Lol. we are about the same level of experience except, i have not run any teams in a MOPP environment. I have been thinking of joining the DECON team at my Hospital. So feakin busy with other stuff though.

It's not to put anyone down for their intention's to plan and save a loved one. I many cases, basic tools and some knowledge can save a person from many health issues that occur. It's an exercise to think for those who believe preps and very little knowledge will see them through an Ebola infection. Seeing people who are actively dieing is stressful, scary experience. I'm going to guess, most here have not done CPR for real or used an AED in a attempt to shock a person back, and BTW, it does not work most of the time. Not having the tools and knowledge to treat a critically ill person is a doomed exercise. People need to plan on how to prevent getting Ebola and how to react and plan on how to save someone if they do become infected.
 

ChicagoMan74

ULTRA MAGA
Please refrain from the judgemental, uninformed name calling and I'll show you the same respect. You know nothing or very little of my life experiences or capabilities.
Perhaps you would care to explain your reasoning?
Thank you.

With all due respect...I'm sure the comment was centered around the fact that if you are walking around in a hazmat suit...in public...amoungst the ebola contaminated masses...where the fatality rate reaches West African levels in this country; that you're essentially zombie bait..."Walking Dead" style. I for one thought your comment was sarcasm.
 
With all due respect...I'm sure the comment was centered around the fact that if you are walking around in a hazmat suit...in public...amoungst the ebola contaminated masses...where the fatality rate reaches West African levels in this country; that you're essentially zombie bait..."Walking Dead" style. I for one thought your comment was sarcasm.

ok, fair nuff'

I put smiley faces on when I try to not piss people off. :)

But, :) I do try to be prepared for a little bit of everything.

And I do understand everybody is a little "edgy" lately. Everyone gets a free pass from me tonight, and tonight only :)
 

Be Well

may all be well
It's not a thread to be defeatist. It's a cold splash of water to inform folks that it's a huge effort to treat a sick Ebola patient and treat someone without the caregiver becoming a victim. Can it be done, yes. But buying a bunch of supply's and having very little knowledge will be a fruitless and failed task. Even for people who have a good amount of clinical experience will find treatment an uphill battle. Life is not easy and people should not think that treatment of a sick Ebola patient can be done on preps and little knowledge alone. Even the medical community is struggling on how they are also becoming infected.

It's an exercise to think.

Of course it may be theoretically possible to care for an ebola patient and home and not catch it oneself, but very, very unlikely that most people could do the care, and/or remain uninfected. The woman in W. Africa who cared for 4 family members and 3 survived, had 3 years of nurses' training, which helped her considerably, and she was young and strong. Some of us have no nurses' training and are not young and strong....
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Life is NOT an "all or nothing" venture.
Some are born with less than "everything", they know that intimately.
You do not need to be able to "administer intravenous fluids/medication" in order to care for an Ebola stricken loved one WHEN NORMAL MEDICAL CARE HAS COLLAPSED, and sick people are just being treated like they are in Liberia (dragged off to "lock up" holding centers, awaiting beds that do not exist in "treatment centers", just to die in the holding(waiting) center without ANY food, water, nursing care/clean up, writhing in agony till they die.

When the time comes that they can get better care at home than they can expect if "THEY GET ON THE BUS" to the "holding center" then keep them home. When, LIKE IN LIBERIA, EVEN ALL the "treatment centers" are offering is NOT IV FLUIDS but just rehydration drinks an occasional tylenol tablet and mushy rice, when the ill can eat, THEN it is time to keep them home. YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.

You do not NEED to be able to "interpret" all those medical blood pressure, heart rhythms and all the other nonsense the OP listed to make it seem IMPOSSIBLE. Why should IV's, Blood transfusions, "bagging", "intubation", "ventilation" and all that other "baffle them with bullshit" medical talk be used to discourage people WHEN THEY DONT EVEN GET THAT TREATMENT at the TREATMENT CENTERS! That kind of advanced life support is only available when the medical system is functioning close to normally. You dont need all those medical BP, respiration rate and other "stats" about the patient UNLESS IT WOULD CHANGE WHAT "TREATMENT" YOU WOULD GIVE! But when all you can do is give oral rehydration, and keep em clean and comfortable, you don't need "patient stats".

When the American medical care system. is overwhelmed like Liberia, and has collapsed,
If ALL that even the "treatment centers" are doing IS, Like Liberia now, ONLY
giving them oral rehydration solution and an occasional Tylenol and trying to keep them as clean and comfortable as possible,
Then, THERE IS NO EXTENSIVE MEDICAL TRAINING NEEDED FOR THAT.
You don't need a crash course in medicine.
YOU JUST NEED TO GET YOUR PREPS, AND
LEARN HOW TO CONTAIN INFECTION, NOT SPREAD GERMS, AND AVOID GETTING INFECTED for as much as is possible
with the equipment you have, and safest possible procedures you can devise.

Don't create a "straw man", NOBODY HERE INTENDS TO "HOME TREAT" their Ebola sick loved ones when and if adequate American medical care IS STILL FUNCTIONING significantly above the level and safety of home care.
NONE OF US ARE FOOLS, nor oblivious to the horror or dangers involved. But it takes courage to live, a coward dies a thousand deaths, a brave man (or woman) dies but once. If you are to die of Ebola, it will find you, no matter how deep you hide or how many friends and loved ones you shoot or drive out for them to die alone.


Personally, I would also be spiking the rehydration solution with reasonably large doses of Vitamin C, and giving an ounce or two of colloidal (Ionic) silver at least hourly and toward the worst, if it got worse, Curcumin to fight cytokine storms. Everyone in the home who have been EXPOSED including me, before symptoms STARTED, WOULD BE TAKING Vitamin C and Colloidal silver hourly to reduce their viral load and possibly avoid full infection overwhelming them.

Remember, REAL LOVE IS NOT WHAT YOU MERELY SAY, OR FEEL, REAL LOVE IS WHAT YOU DO OUT OF LOVE.
 
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Slatewiper

Membership Revoked
Please refrain from the judgemental, uninformed name calling and I'll show you the same respect. You know nothing or very little of my life experiences or capabilities.
Perhaps you would care to explain your reasoning?
Thank you.

Do you have the support team necessary to aid you in your attempt to save people? It takes 3 shifts of 25 people each to take care of one Ebola patient for 24 hours. You don't have that. Who is going to decontaminate you after every contact with a sick person? Not to mention that you'll get so exhausted that you are GUARANTEED to make a mistake that will get you infected.
 

Greenspode

Veteran Member
Do you have the support team necessary to aid you in your attempt to save people? It takes 3 shifts of 25 people each to take care of one Ebola patient for 24 hours. You don't have that. Who is going to decontaminate you after every contact with a sick person? Not to mention that you'll get so exhausted that you are GUARANTEED to make a mistake that will get you infected.

So what would you do with your children who are infected, if you are so scared to try and care for them? As I asked above, send your 8 year old out into the woods with a pep talk, a sleeping bag and a Gogurt? Sorry little Tommy, Mommy and Daddy are too scared to take care of you, so you need to go. Get out now.

I dont think anyone here is stupid. We all know the scale of the problem and the probable futility of the situation. Those of you who are stomping your feet and carrying on about how this can't be done are not telling anyone here anything we don't already know. However, we are human beings who love our family, so rather than kick our children out to die in the yard alone, we will do what we can.

I feel badly for the family members of those of you who are hyperventilating over this. Have you ever loved anyone enough to risk yourself to try and save them? It appears not. How sad.
 

Ice Guy

Inactive
Do you have the support team necessary to aid you in your attempt to save people? It takes 3 shifts of 25 people each to take care of one Ebola patient for 24 hours. You don't have that. Who is going to decontaminate you after every contact with a sick person? Not to mention that you'll get so exhausted that you are GUARANTEED to make a mistake that will get you infected.
And that is why the medical establishment will fail, Ainitfunny nailed it! We will be on our own, and yes we will fail, but there will be success stories, and if we do not have hope, we have nothing.
 
Do you have the support team necessary to aid you in your attempt to save people? It takes 3 shifts of 25 people each to take care of one Ebola patient for 24 hours. You don't have that. Who is going to decontaminate you after every contact with a sick person? Not to mention that you'll get so exhausted that you are GUARANTEED to make a mistake that will get you infected.

Where, anywhere here, did I explain any reason for wanting to "don up" and venture outdoors? You make assumptions of me you know nothing about.
 

Christian for Israel

Knight of Jerusalem
with a possible case only a couple hundred miles from me i intend to quit my job (cab driver) on monday (i have to give my boss the benefit of telling him to his face). i'll be looking for something else that doesn't include interacting with large numbers of people, maybe a parts warehouse or something. if this thing comes even closer i plan to simply stay home and shelter in place (we have enough food for 2 years, money to pay bills for 6 months and 5 gal bottles of water for 3 months). i have no illusions about being able to treat this and will take extreme measures if necessary to prevent contact with infected people.

that said, if my wife were to become infected i would use all the information from this board and other places to help her in any way i can, even if it means getting it myself (my wife is MY responsibility (before God) and i'll be DAMNED if i'll shirk that responsibility for any reason). on the other hand, if it's me that becomes infected (knowing how futile treatment is and how dangerous i'd be), i won't allow my wife or anyone else to come close enough to me to catch it. rather, i'll take my truck (already loaded with supplies) and drive to an isolated area and try to get through it myself. i simply refuse to allow someone else to risk infection and death on my account. i'll eat a bullet before i let that happen.
 

JDSeese

Veteran Member
with a possible case only a couple hundred miles from me i intend to quit my job (cab driver) on monday (i have to give my boss the benefit of telling him to his face). i'll be looking for something else that doesn't include interacting with large numbers of people, maybe a parts warehouse or something. if this thing comes even closer i plan to simply stay home and shelter in place (we have enough food for 2 years, money to pay bills for 6 months and 5 gal bottles of water for 3 months). i have no illusions about being able to treat this and will take extreme measures if necessary to prevent contact with infected people.

that said, if my wife were to become infected i would use all the information from this board and other places to help her in any way i can, even if it means getting it myself (my wife is MY responsibility and i'll be DAMNED if i'll shirk that responsibility for any reason). on the other hand, if it's me that becomes infected (knowing how futile treatment is and how dangerous i'd be), i won't allow my wife or anyone else to come close enough to me to catch it. rather, i'll take my truck (already loaded with supplies) and drive to an isolated area and try to get through it myself. i simply refuse to allow someone else to risk infection and death on my account. i'll eat a bullet before i let that happen.

I wish I had that much food and water... Good for you, mate
 
with a possible case only a couple hundred miles from me i intend to quit my job (cab driver) on monday (i have to give my boss the benefit of telling him to his face). i'll be looking for something else that doesn't include interacting with large numbers of people, maybe a parts warehouse or something. if this thing comes even closer i plan to simply stay home and shelter in place (we have enough food for 2 years, money to pay bills for 6 months and 5 gal bottles of water for 3 months). i have no illusions about being able to treat this and will take extreme measures if necessary to prevent contact with infected people.

that said, if my wife were to become infected i would use all the information from this board and other places to help her in any way i can, even if it means getting it myself (my wife is MY responsibility (before God) and i'll be DAMNED if i'll shirk that responsibility for any reason). on the other hand, if it's me that becomes infected (knowing how futile treatment is and how dangerous i'd be), i won't allow my wife or anyone else to come close enough to me to catch it. rather, i'll take my truck (already loaded with supplies) and drive to an isolated area and try to get through it myself. i simply refuse to allow someone else to risk infection and death on my account. i'll eat a bullet before i let that happen.

yeah, but do you have a full blown Hazmat response team to support you? :) Careful there bud, some here are flipping out for exercising some self motivation for any reasoning you might possibly have.
 

willowlady

Veteran Member
Ainitfunny has it right. No one is going to attempt to treat at home as long as the medical system is still reasonably functioning. However, when that system collapses to the point of being merely holding tanks for the sick, no treatment, just waiting for them to die, we will do just as they have in Liberia. And we will do everything in our power to help our stricken loved ones. Most of us do not have the option of bugging out, and even sheltering in place is not going to happen at the optimum time. Which, realistically speaking, would be NOW, since we know it's here and we know the containment efforts have been sloppy at best. The way this thing has been going, it could be next year before it reaches epidemic proportions. That said, it could be next week, as well. What me and mine will do is shelter in place when we become aware (in this case I will trust word of mouth better than any news reports) of the first case in our area. Not a perfect solution, but it's the best we can do. Why do you suppose so many on this board had a hair-on-fire reaction to what was going on in Liberia several months ago? One hoped our government would do the sensible thing and restrict travel, institute quarantine for people coming from stricken areas, etc. That window of opportunity is long since gone. No point being rattled now. No point giving up before the battle commences, either. We will deal with things as best we can and hope for God's grace and mercy.
 
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