WAR Feast of Purim is this Wednesday night...

Mongo

Veteran Member
A holiday celebrating the Jews return from Babylonian exile, being freed from the Persians, retribution on those who wished them ill and etc.

You can read all about it in the book of Esther in the Bible.

Any thoughts about how that fits in with current heightened tensions, or even "does it?"

I'm inclined to think the Israelis are not big on attacking based on the importance of dates or numbers like their (and our) adversaries are.

But still...
Whaddya all think?
 

Jake Grey

Veteran Member
Not a celebration of returning from exile. A celebration of killing 75,000 folks (mostly in Persia) who wanted to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth. (Esther 9:16)

Lets see: Persia is modern day Iran. Iran's leader keeps talking about wiping the Jews off the face of the earth. Purim celebrates a great victory over similar folks. It wouldn't surprise me for things to kick off around that time.
 

sojourner for Truth

Contributing Member
Esther 9 kind of summarizes the jist of the events. Reading the whole book really fills in the gaps though.
A second decree to allow the Israelites to defend themselves from the original decree for the destruction of the Israelites.


Esther 9

20 And Mordecai wrote these things and sent letters to all the Jews, near and far, who were in all the provinces of King Ahasuerus, 21 to establish among them that they should celebrate yearly the fourteenth and fifteenth days of the month of Adar, 22 as the days on which the Jews had rest from their enemies, as the month which was turned from sorrow to joy for them, and from mourning to a holiday; that they should make them days of feasting and joy, of sending presents to one another and gifts to the poor. 23 So the Jews accepted the custom which they had begun, as Mordecai had written to them, 24 because Haman, the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, the enemy of all the Jews, had plotted against the Jews to annihilate them, and had cast Pur (that is, the lot), to consume them and destroy them; 25 but when Esther[c] came before the king, he commanded by letter that this[d] wicked plot which Haman had devised against the Jews should return on his own head, and that he and his sons should be hanged on the gallows.
26 So they called these days Purim, after the name Pur. Therefore, because of all the words of this letter, what they had seen concerning this matter, and what had happened to them, 27 the Jews established and imposed it upon themselves and their descendants and all who would join them, that without fail they should celebrate these two days every year, according to the written instructions and according to the prescribed time, 28 that these days should be remembered and kept throughout every generation, every family, every province, and every city, that these days of Purim should not fail to be observed among the Jews, and that the memory of them should not perish among their descendants.
29 Then Queen Esther, the daughter of Abihail, with Mordecai the Jew, wrote with full authority to confirm this second letter about Purim. 30 And Mordecai sent letters to all the Jews, to the one hundred and twenty-seven provinces of the kingdom of Ahasuerus, with words of peace and truth, 31 to confirm these days of Purim at their appointed time, as Mordecai the Jew and Queen Esther had prescribed for them, and as they had decreed for themselves and their descendants concerning matters of their fasting and lamenting. 32 So the decree of Esther confirmed these matters of Purim, and it was written in the book.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
A holiday celebrating the Jews return from Babylonian exile, being freed from the Persians, retribution on those who wished them ill and etc.

You can read all about it in the book of Esther in the Bible.

Any thoughts about how that fits in with current heightened tensions, or even "does it?"

I'm inclined to think the Israelis are not big on attacking based on the importance of dates or numbers like their (and our) adversaries are.

But still...
Whaddya all think?

How much of what is going on in the middle east do you think we are told, how much is released for public consumption? In light of what the other posters are saying regarding Israeli wars, 2 previously happened around Purim and thinking that the Bible is chock full of events that happen in 3's...good heads up Mongo, Jake, Giblin, put your 3 posts together and if I was Iran, I'd be muttering my final akbars and preparing to meet the virgins.

Someone brought up that every time someone attacks Israel, Israel's boundaries grow. I'm not sure if that is true I haven't researched it, perhaps others here can verify it.
 

willdo

Veteran Member
If Iran's current threats to destroy Israel, and help any who want to destroy Israel are to find a mirror in Ester's story, history records there were 75,800 men who killed by the Jews over two days. Ester's people had permission to kill their wives and children, but only went after the men. Purim is the day they rested after they killed their enemies. So if story were to mirror this year's Purim, Israel would attack Iran, Monday and Tuesday. Netanyahu is set to visit the White House Monday. Wouldn't that be interesting if he and Obama were in the war room together on this or Netanyahu stayed at home, and Obama was in on it. People have speculated that nothing would be decided until that meeting took place. Iran wouldn't be expecting it. What if the US is representative of the King, and Netanyahu Ester? That's a funny comparison to make.
 
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fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
Just heard on FOX this morning that Israel has agreed that if they were to attack Iran they would not do so until after the election. Disinformation? Who knows.
 

Ranger

Membership Revoked
Y'all are "onto somethin/"; no doubt. FOX disinfo?........never! Heard they've been bringing the generals in and rehearsing the sorties. No, this thing's likely imminent unless...........NO........it's imminent. We have a lot of force "in theater" NOW. Can't let them languish too long; besides BHO is NOT "calling the shots" on this. Britain is.
If the British merchant banking system continues to falter in Europe this week, Purim would likely be an exemplary time symbolically to "kick the Iran campaign into high gear".
Feels like a "done deal" to me but I've been wrong before. Initial reports will likely come from Sky News, the FOX variant in Britain. Oh........today's the Russian election.
Now there's a game changer.

Ranger
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just heard on FOX this morning that Israel has agreed that if they were to attack Iran they would not do so until after the election. Disinformation? Who knows.

Israel cannot afford to wait until after an election that may not come... If The Usurper believes/knows that he cannot win re-election, he'll declare Martial Law, suspend the U.S. Constitution, and institute Sharia Law, with the help of the UN... No, tiny little Israel, with 5 Million Jews, is outnumbered by nearly 2 BILLION Muslims... When Israel has actionable intel, they'll have to strike. Biggest problem? What if the Muslims already have nukes in place?

OA, out...
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
I watched a very well-done movie (just out, I think, by "Acclaim" films--the same outfit that did "Courageous" and "Fireproof"), on "Esther"--it followed the Bible very closely--word-for-word in a good bit of the dialogue---and I noticed something I'd never noticed before.

First, some background:

Haman--who was an Amalekite, not a Persian--and guess what? Amalek was SYRIA--talked the King of Persia into giving Haman full license to "destroy, kill, and annihilate every man, woman, and child" {literal words of the decree} among the Jews.

Xerxes or Ahashuerus, by the way, was the crazy Persian king who:

* had his soldiers "punish" the sea by whipping it with whips when it destroyed a bridge he'd just built;

* who had his golden throne hauled all the way from the capital city to the top of a hill in Greece overlooking the Bay of Salamis near Athens, so he could sit in state to watch his fleet destroy the Greek navy and ensure his conquest of Athens and thus of all Greece. Instead, his large ponderous Persian ships were too big to turn easily in the Bay, and were handily out-maneuvered by the Greeks' light, swift ships--so Xerxes sat on his golden throne and watched every single one of his ships be destroyed.

*who, just before he set out for this Grecian campaign, Xerxes and his army on the march had stopped near a certain Persian city, and an old man there came to appeal to the king. This man begged clemency of the king for his last son, who was in the army, that he might be allowed to stay home with his aged father, since this man had already given and lost six previous sons in the service of the king. The king told him that of course his son could stay there in Persia, and ordered him brought forth. Then, before his father and his army, King Xerxes ordered the boy to be cut in half, and one half of his body placed to one side of the road and the other half on the other--and then ordered his army to march between the two halves on their way westward to engage Greece.

THIS was the man Esther had to marry.

See why she was scared to go into his presence without permission--a flouting of royal court protocol---now?)

Anyway, in watching this movie, I noticed something I never had before:

1. That the order to "destroy, kill, and annhilate" (interesting wording, that) the Jews, was given by "royal decree of the Medes and Persians"---and this type of royal decree, once issued, could NOT be revoked--it was an unstoppable force once set in motion.

2. That, since the order could not be taken BACK, what it took to save the Jews was a COUNTER-ORDER, to COUNTER-ATTACK their enemies ON THE SAME DAY that THEY were to be attacked. (note the order---FIRST the enemy designated and set in motion a day to destroy the Jews, THEN the Jews were given "permission" and means to ON THE SAME DAY resist that attack by equal force.)

3. That the enemy of the Jews had DONE TO THEM the VERY THING they had meant to do TO the Jews---"destroy, kill, and annihilate"---and though there were casualties on BOTH sides, the Jews came out victorious against those who had sought to wipe them off the face of the earth (meaning of annihilate).

God is known in the Bible for bringing down as judgment on the head of the wicked the VERY THINGS they meant to do to others.
 
The story that we celebrate, Purim, is one that goes waaay back to the Exodus of the Children of Israel from Egypt to Israel. On the way at, Refidim, Amalek attacked Israel. Amalek originates from the area of Petra. Amalek is a tribe from Esau, red, and with his character. In Bereshis (Genesis) 17:14-15, God says to Moses, "Write this as a reminder in the Book and repeat it carefully to Joshua. "I will totally obliterate the memory of Amalek from under the heavens".
Moses built an altar, and he named it God is my Banner. He said, "The Hand of God is on God's Throne". God shall be at war with Amalek for all generations".

Where the story of Esther begins connects with the Exodus and Amalek is:

1Sa 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

But alas, King Saul did not do as was commanded by the Lord of Hosts and to this day the Amalekites are a thorn in the flesh.

Est 3:1 After these things did king Ahasuerus promote Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite.

Adolf Hitler banned and forbade the observance of Purim. In a speech made on November 10, 1938, (the day after kristallnacht), Julius Streicher surmised that just as "the Jew butchered 75,000 Persians" in one night, the same fate would have befallen the German people had the Jews succeeded in inciting a war against Germany; the "Jews would have instituted a new Purim festival in Germany."[52]

Nazi attacks against Jews often coincided with Jewish festivals. On Purim 1942, ten Jews were hanged in Zduńska Wola to avenge the hanging of Haman's ten sons.[53] In a similar incident in 1943, the Nazis shot ten Jews from the Piotrków ghetto.[54] On Purim eve that same year, over 100 Jewish doctors and their families were shot by the Nazis in Czestochowa. The following day, Jewish doctors were taken from Radom and shot nearby in Szydlowiec.[54]

In an apparent connection made by Hitler between his Nazi regime and the role of Haman, he stated in a speech made on January 30, 1944, that if the Nazis were defeated, the Jews could celebrate "a second Purim".[54][55] Seconds before he was hanged, Julius Streicher called out "Purim Fest 1946!"[55]

Where does that leave us today? Why did God want even the memory of the Amalakites wiped from under the heavens? Because they continually attack not only Israel as a nation but the weak, infirmed, and elderly. We see these same traits increasing, Nazi style traits.

The Book of Esther is a book of mystery, or being hidden. Just as we know not the day our Messiah will return, we may not fully see the nuances of the Book of Esther unless we drink deeply of of the culture and each of each word in the ancient languages of Aramaic and Hebrew.

Personally, I see Iran... the Bear... more in the Ezekiel war

On the lighter side of the Feast of Purim Hamataschen are traditionally made. They are triangle shaped sugar cookies that have various fillings in them from fruit to meat. There is usually a contest for the ladies to see whom has the most delicious. Gifts are exchanged and charity is given.

Celeste
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Y'all are "onto somethin/"; no doubt. FOX disinfo?........never! Heard they've been bringing the generals in and rehearsing the sorties. No, this thing's likely imminent unless...........NO........it's imminent. We have a lot of force "in theater" NOW. Can't let them languish too long; besides BHO is NOT "calling the shots" on this. Britain is.
If the British merchant banking system continues to falter in Europe this week, Purim would likely be an exemplary time symbolically to "kick the Iran campaign into high gear".
Feels like a "done deal" to me but I've been wrong before. Initial reports will likely come from Sky News, the FOX variant in Britain. Oh........today's the Russian election.
Now there's a game changer.

Ranger

Just heard on FOX this morning that Israel has agreed that if they were to attack Iran they would not do so until after the election. Disinformation? Who knows.


Hmmmm..

WHICH "election"?

"Oh, I'm sorry Mr. President, did you mean the UNITED STATES election???".....
 
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Someone brought up that every time someone attacks Israel, Israel's boundaries grow. I'm not sure if that is true I haven't researched it, perhaps others here can verify it.

That will happen after the Isaiah 17 and Ezekiel wars, but not until then.

Unfortunately, Israel will have some major set backs due to failure to be obedient to the Lord. But there will always be a remnant....

Current events are getting close but are not on the prophetic map yet.

Celeste
 
Better clarify. We all need to be repenting, praying, being in the Word (the undefiled Word) and drawing close to the Lord right now, not just Israel. When I think of all the abominations our country is engaging in right now it makes me down-right sick. Maybe we should follow Mordachai's example and don sack cloth and ashes and wail. Calling out to God in repentance will do us far more good then calling our *public servants*.

Celeste
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
I'm sure someone has already posted this on another thread, but I just found out about it and thought here would be appropriate to post it. It's also significant in light of Obambam's "I'm not bluffing" bluster .... (see that thread as well)---

Debka

In a dramatic U-turn to show Israel that Washington is serious about its military option against Iran’s nuclear program, Pentagon officials disclosed Thursday, March 1, that “military options being prepared start with providing refueling for Israeli planes and include attacking the pillars of the clerical regime. They include the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps and its elite Qods Force, regular Iranian military bases and the Ministry of Intelligence and Security.” The officials spoke on condition of anonymity in Washington’s first public reference to possible joint military action with Israel against Iran.


http://www.debka.com/article/21780/
 

maric

Short but deadly
Monday, January 23, 2012Help each other and pray
Today is going to be a very bad day for the inhabitants of this planet especially for the people of Israel and the United States of America as they plan for war you can be sure of one thing it's going to happen. When? March,April or June are the months that come to mind . Purim a Jewish holy Day, a day Throughout history that has seen Israel fight for her very existence a number of times is in March. In American History the month of April has been one of the most prolific months that we have had to fight for our Freedom and finally June has a date in it that should make Christians take notice and that day is the sixth of June at six A. M. or six P. M. . Today everybody should at least talk to family and friends to make sure that they are safe and have things so that in case you can't get to them to help them. The feeling that I get today is one of sorrow for the safety of all the children of the world it doesn't matter what Religion they are Christian Jew or Muslim or non believer Until the age of twelve years of age they are held blameless in gods eyes but their parents will be held to blame so watch your children very closely and keep them safe. Today is going to be a very bad for the children of the world , unusually bad behavior especially violence will be done to them and by them so talk to your children ask them how they are feeling and let them know that you love them and be their Parent not one of their friends they have friends , what they need is a mother and a father. People of Russia and France watch for unusually parked cars and strange packages and tell your family and friends to do the same because I feel that their is going to be some kind of terrorist attack soon whether foreign or or intentionally done by your government also people in the southern U.S. should be on watch for these things as well . remember this if you do not think like they do or approve of the things they do, you are nothing to them and they will find a way to remove the problem and that problem to them is you.

www.Rangersresponse.blogspot.com
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
WHOA!

This from Dutch's WOW site---from original link:

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Netanyahu welcomes Obama’s stand on Iran
(AFP)

4 March 2012
OTTAWA - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday hailed US President Barack Obama for again refusing to rule out military force to stop Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

Speaking in Canada before he visits Washington for talks with Obama on Monday, Netanyahu also expressed satisfaction that Obama told a pro-Israel lobby that Washington will help Israel defend itself against any threat.

“I very much appreciated the fact that President Obama reiterated his position that Iran must not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons and that all options are on the table,” Netanyahu told reporters in Ottawa.

“I also appreciated the fact that he made clear that when it comes to nuclear-armed Iran, containment is simply not an option,” the Israeli premier said.

“Equally and in my judgment perhaps most important of all, I appreciate the fact that he said Israel must be able to defend itself, by itself, against any threat,” Netanyahu said.

“I appreciate all these statements and look forward to discussing them further with president Obama tomorrow,” he said.


http://www.khaleejtimes.com/display...iddleeast_March84.xml&section=middleeast&col=
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
forgive me if this was posted & I missed it, but it just went up as of last night, so maybe not.

I saw John Galt had published this on his site; the below is from original source with translation by John Galt using online translation programs:


North Korea Tested Uranium Warheads for Iran


North Korea detonated two secret tests of atomic warheads with highly enriched uranium in 2010 according to a German press report. The newspaper Welt am Sonntag reported with reference to western security circles, as some secret services assumed that the government in P’yongyang at least one of these tests had carried out for the Iranians.

This would mean that Teheran, with North Korean aid, has constructed and already tested an atomic warhead. According to the newspaper Welt am Sonntag this assumption is based on data of the Preparatory Commission for the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO). Accordingly, the Swedish nuclear physicist Lars-Erik De Geer is based on data from monitoring stations in South Korea, Japan and Russia believe that North Korea instead of the two secret uranium tests as in two earlier tests in 2006 and 2009 used plutonium. In January, this was reported in the journal “Nature” in advance of de Geer research results.

The longtime director of the Policy Planning Staff in the German Defense Ministry, Hans Rühle, writes in Welt am Sonntag that “some of which now confirms intelligence that North Korea has actually conducted a nuclear test in 2010, at least for Iran.” This would mean that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) which also provided a document, “which was that it was the religious leader Ayatollah Khomeini himself, who decided in 1984, to resume nuclear weapons program after the overthrow of the Shah.”

Thus the meeting between Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Obama on Sunday is probably a final notification that events are now in motion which will occur with or without U.S. support. The first window for such an attack is open now through May as when the summer sand storms and shortened days begin, the practicality of hitting the Iranians in such an operation does also.


http://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachric...-testete-Uran-Sprengkoepfe-fuer-den-Iran.html
http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/20...-north-korea-tested-nuclear-warhead-for-iran/

To me, this is even further confirmation that Israel CANNOT wait until the "April-June" timeline that the betraying U.S. general leaked to the press a few weeks ago.
 

willdo

Veteran Member
Obama is speaking out of both sides of his mouth, it is reflected in all his speeches the past week and subsequent press releases. In the morning he's talking tough about not bluffing then by evening he's talking about how he sees diplomacy and pressure working on Iran and how it should continue, not in agreement with all the "loose talk of war." Netanyahu is playing Obama, he's taken the route to repeat the Obama sound bites that are in agreement with what he wants to see happen. He is using the press against itself, Obama is so outmatched by Netanyahu it is comical to watch.
 
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