DISASTER EMP expert says no military in 30-60 days after major EMP attack

Johnny Twoguns

Senior Member
The guy is on Canadian Prepper, claims to be on the HLS advisory board; has war gamed grid down with US Mil and 3 letters. Interesting info. It all is pretty interesting but the EMP nationwide grid down info starts around 18 minutes. Basically pretty grim. This one, IMHO, is worth watching. I'm sure you've heard/read this before but it's a good refresher.
YT, an hour long.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX7-cm6ONZU
 

Johnny Twoguns

Senior Member
We don't have much of a military as it is so it wouldn't have far to go.
You got that right. He also goes into how many people are going to go nuttso if the S really HTF. I'd easily agree with that. Especially women, but men also. The more people are 'oh it's not going to be that bad', the normies, and that includes a lot of preppers, are going to crack when it happens, particularly if they have sons and daughters elsewhere, and fretting about it.

Some good info, CP only asks some questions, this guy gives some things to think on. Advance into the fight or retreat to fight another day?

I don't think an EMP is likely, but it is possible. And saturation bombing with multiple EMP's over hours, then days and weeks would be the way to go. Hit, then hit again. Then hit again. Then hit again. Any large State player like Russia or China, even N Korea, could probably do it. I'd be super surprised if Iran doesn't have the capability with all their missiles. I've head claims they told Israel that is exactly what their plans were if Israel were to seriously strike back against Iran.

Anyone who is thinking in terms of a single EMP is much more of a normie and still stuck in the box more than they might think.

Which would, could, fit in with the story that Pepe Escobar came out with about the Israeli EMP: btw, he is sticking by his guns on that one. He gave a long explanation on the Danny Haiphong interview.
 

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
Anyone who is thinking in terms of a single EMP is much more of a normie and still stuck in the box more than they might think.
You mean you think another Carrington event is not in the cards? That was 1859. For all we know they come on average every 100+ years. How would we know? Until electricity started to be used, there was no impact from large sunspots.......
But NOW? Hoo boy
 

Grumphau

Veteran Member
You got that right. He also goes into how many people are going to go nuttso if the S really HTF. I'd easily agree with that. Especially women, but men also. The more people are 'oh it's not going to be that bad', the normies, and that includes a lot of preppers, are going to crack when it happens, particularly if they have sons and daughters elsewhere, and fretting about it.

Some good info, CP only asks some questions, this guy gives some things to think on. Advance into the fight or retreat to fight another day?

I don't think an EMP is likely, but it is possible. And saturation bombing with multiple EMP's over hours, then days and weeks would be the way to go. Hit, then hit again. Then hit again. Then hit again. Any large State player like Russia or China, even N Korea, could probably do it. I'd be super surprised if Iran doesn't have the capability with all their missiles. I've head claims they told Israel that is exactly what their plans were if Israel were to seriously strike back against Iran.

Anyone who is thinking in terms of a single EMP is much more of a normie and still stuck in the box more than they might think.

Which would, could, fit in with the story that Pepe Escobar came out with about the Israeli EMP: btw, he is sticking by his guns on that one. He gave a long explanation on the Danny Haiphong interview.
Do we know what response is in US military doctrine for an EMP? If someone is hitting North America repeatedly I would expect they would be taking damage on their side too. They might not have the ability to do more than one attack.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
no big azz secret that EMP will be used as a specific weapon to damage the US/NATO military - I always point that out when the Faraday cage discussion includes some corrugated box with tin foil wrap >>> pacemakers are going to be melting right out of bodies from the EMP intensity involved - get real about your prepping
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Are we going to go through all this yet AGAIN??


There will be no EMP attack.

An EMP ATTACK wouldn’t harm the military anyway; their electronics have been hardened against if for over 20 years

An EMP attack is in fact a NUCLEAR WEAPON attack. Thus, we would be in WW3.

EMP is a Doomer’s favorite porn.


This has been settled over and over and over again.
 

StarGazer

Contributing Member
You mean you think another Carrington event is not in the cards? That was 1859. For all we know they come on average every 100+ years. How would we know? Until electricity started to be used, there was no impact from large sunspots.......
But NOW? Hoo boy

From today's SpaceWeather.com:
A CARRINGTON-CLASS SUNSPOT: Sunspot AR3664 has grown so large, it now rivals the great Carrington sunspot of 1859. To illustrate their similarity, we've added Carrington's famous sketch (to scale) to a NASA photo of today's sun:





Sprawling almost 200,000 km from end to end, AR3664 is 15 times wider than Earth. You can see it through ordinary eclipse glasses with no magnification at all. Moreover, it is easy to project an image of this sunspot onto the sidewalk or a white screen just as Carrington did in the 19th century.


Carrington's sunspot is famous because in August and Sept. 1859 it emitted a series of intense solar flares and CMEs. The resulting geomagnetic storms set fire to telegraph offices and sparked auroras from Cuba to Hawaii. The "Carrington Event" has since become a touchstone of space weather in pop culture, with recent headlines stoking fears of an "internet apocalypse" if it repeats.


Indeed, it could repeat. Studies suggest that Carrington-class storms occur once every 40 to 60 years, so we're overdue. CMEs currently en route to Earth will not cause a new Carrington Event; they are puny compared to the CMEs of 1859. Nevertheless, it would be wise to keep an eye on this growing active region while Earth is in its strike zone. CME impact alerts: SMS Text
 

Masterphreak

Senior Member
The guy is on Canadian Prepper, claims to be on the HLS advisory board; has war gamed grid down with US Mil and 3 letters. Interesting info. It all is pretty interesting but the EMP nationwide grid down info starts around 18 minutes. Basically pretty grim. This one, IMHO, is worth watching. I'm sure you've heard/read this before but it's a good refresher.
YT, an hour long.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX7-cm6ONZU

What is the HLS advisory board?
 

Masterphreak

Senior Member
From today's SpaceWeather.com:
A CARRINGTON-CLASS SUNSPOT: Sunspot AR3664 has grown so large, it now rivals the great Carrington sunspot of 1859. To illustrate their similarity, we've added Carrington's famous sketch (to scale) to a NASA photo of today's sun:





Sprawling almost 200,000 km from end to end, AR3664 is 15 times wider than Earth. You can see it through ordinary eclipse glasses with no magnification at all. Moreover, it is easy to project an image of this sunspot onto the sidewalk or a white screen just as Carrington did in the 19th century.


Carrington's sunspot is famous because in August and Sept. 1859 it emitted a series of intense solar flares and CMEs. The resulting geomagnetic storms set fire to telegraph offices and sparked auroras from Cuba to Hawaii. The "Carrington Event" has since become a touchstone of space weather in pop culture, with recent headlines stoking fears of an "internet apocalypse" if it repeats.


Indeed, it could repeat. Studies suggest that Carrington-class storms occur once every 40 to 60 years, so we're overdue. CMEs currently en route to Earth will not cause a new Carrington Event; they are puny compared to the CMEs of 1859. Nevertheless, it would be wise to keep an eye on this growing active region while Earth is in its strike zone. CME impact alerts: SMS Text
Might even see some low latitude arouras this weekend. We have been getting blasted all week long with X flares.
 

Blue 5

Veteran Member
It would not require anything so far out as an EMP to halt most military ops. Our enemies know that they just have to take down the internet. For example, the weather station where I work no longer has dedicated data feeds to our airfield sensors. When the net goes down we're left with handheld weather devices (which these days consists of nothing more than a Kestrel...) and our cell phones. We'd be next to useless to our supported units at that point.
 

antlers

Senior Member
whats a Kestral?
It would not require anything so far out as an EMP to halt most military ops. Our enemies know that they just have to take down the internet. For example, the weather station where I work no longer has dedicated data feeds to our airfield sensors. When the net goes down we're left with handheld weather devices (which these days consists of nothing more than a Kestrel...) and our cell phones. We'd be next to useless to our supported units at that poin
 

raven

TB Fanatic
you know . . . no military is the point of an EMP attack . . . all the rest of you dying is icing on the cake.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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whats a Kestral?

Hand held anemometer.



Originally designed by global warming alarmists.

Used for studying bovine flatulence.

Held over a cows rectum, it measures the velocity of farts.

That, a stopwatch and a measurement of the cow's anal pore allows good estimates of greenhouse gas emissions.


Can also be adapted to measure wind speed.
 
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Hfcomms

EN66iq
It would not require anything so far out as an EMP to halt most military ops. Our enemies know that they just have to take down the internet. For example, the weather station where I work no longer has dedicated data feeds to our airfield sensors. When the net goes down we're left with handheld weather devices (which these days consists of nothing more than a Kestrel...) and our cell phones. We'd be next to useless to our supported units at that point.

Roll your own for local….at least as a prepper. Davis Vantage Pro2 and direct download of Goes East imagery and Emwin graphics and data. Goes has at least two separate NOC’s with direct download/upload for the imagery but I can see that the Emwin feed would be a problem if the net was down.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
It would not require anything so far out as an EMP to halt most military ops. Our enemies know that they just have to take down the internet. For example, the weather station where I work no longer has dedicated data feeds to our airfield sensors. When the net goes down we're left with handheld weather devices (which these days consists of nothing more than a Kestrel...) and our cell phones. We'd be next to useless to our supported units at that point.
Yes, just routine internet outages cause widespread issues
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
If we have a widespread EMP attack on the US then it really does not matter how effective it is in destroying the grid.

If it happens, life as we know it is over. The followup will make the Patriot Act and FISA Court look like kindergarten.
 

momma_soapmaker

Disgusted
Hand held anemometer.



Originally designed by global warming alarmists.

Used for studying bovine flatulence.

Held over a cows rectum, it measures the velocity of farts.

That, a stopwatch and a measurement of the cow's anal pore allows good estimates of greenhouse gas emissions.
Can also be held to a politician's mouth for the same reason - measuring noxious effluent.
 

Blue 5

Veteran Member
Roll your own for local….at least as a prepper. Davis Vantage Pro2 and direct download of Goes East imagery and Emwin graphics and data. Goes has at least two separate NOC’s with direct download/upload for the imagery but I can see that the Emwin feed would be a problem if the net was down.
Having a backup would be great, but we've already been denied funding for that. I guess they're spending that on DEI or some other useless thing.

We'd have to bring in our personal computers and use our personal phones as hot spots. Don't count on most of the military to be available if the regime falls or the lights go out.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
What is the HLS advisory board?
There is an advisory council but the speaker is not on it.


From the research I did no the guy quickly, he sells EMP for a living. His Task Force and personal website are all about selling his books on EMP survival as well as a fiction series. The only govt service I can find is his military service.
 
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LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
For EMWIN and HRIT, I go directly to the "high up" source:

Telstar 5 also has a downlink:
Past Documents <---Protocol spec'd here


There are possibly also local VHF EMWIN sources as well:

As far as getting the airfield sensors data that heads back to the Weather Station "off the internet", you might want to look at either lowband VHF data modems, or even LoRaWAN to do the hauling offline.
 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
As far as the EMP part, nobody is going to toss sunshine and get THAT desired result. There may be smaller (localized) attacks on specific valuable targets with HPM-EMP based devices (like the cruise missiles and small plane pods that now can do HPM EW attacks), but nothing nuclear from a human source is going to be a real threat.

I would suggest that a CME event could cause some damage, but two things with that will be our "saving grace" as long we keep our eyes open just before the event. A solar outburst of any kind will be detected a day or two before it happens, and give us at least a few hours to "prepare". All of the power companies that I have talked to DO have a plan for islanding (disconnecting into smaller segments) in the event of a CME or other event that may cause harsh enough GIC (Ground Induced Currents) and other system imbalances. Just like they can remotely kill power to anyone's house with the smart meters that they have installed, they can also do similar "realignments" at all of the substations, including the big ones that interlink the big parts of the whole grid. They have even installed both propane generators (and craploads of battery backup) and dedicated fiber at most of these substations so that they can be isolated, keep "alive" as far as "in communication" and once the threat is over, they can be remotely put back online as warranted. If they shed loads, and at the same time, scale back generation, they can island fairly quickly leaving just the emergency loads "online" for as long as possible (or warranted).

Of course, this also allows them to control exactly where the power goes at other times as well...
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
For EMWIN and HRIT, I go directly to the "high up" source:

Telstar 5 also has a downlink:
Past Documents <---Protocol spec'd here


There are possibly also local VHF EMWIN sources as well:

As far as getting the airfield sensors data that heads back to the Weather Station "off the internet", you might want to look at either lowband VHF data modems, or even LoRaWAN to do the hauling offline.

Not hard to do at all. Cost me less than $500

 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
And the other option, get a nice 4K drone, and send it straight up to "have a look" I can see a storm front coming in from 50+ miles away every time.

You could probably do the same thing (if you had a wide field to launch from) with a good FPV camera, a cheap large trash bag, and a homemade Hydrogen generator, and 1000-2000 feet of thin cordage (think dental floss)...
 

Weps

Veteran Member
Do we know what response is in US military doctrine for an EMP? If someone is hitting North America repeatedly I would expect they would be taking damage on their side too. They might not have the ability to do more than one attack.

EMP is highly unlikely without nuclear exchange.

What is far more likely is cyberwarfare, which shares the same threat patterns as an EMP.

The OPLAN for both scenarios are periodically revised, comms would be hampered, but there are non-digital redundancies like HFGCS, NETCOM, etc... for comms. Most of our legacy hardware is hardened or not connected to digital infrastructure.

The issue is going to be the DoD is admin and records, it's all digital at this point.
 

Wyominglarry

Veteran Member
From today's SpaceWeather.com:
A CARRINGTON-CLASS SUNSPOT: Sunspot AR3664 has grown so large, it now rivals the great Carrington sunspot of 1859. To illustrate their similarity, we've added Carrington's famous sketch (to scale) to a NASA photo of today's sun:





Sprawling almost 200,000 km from end to end, AR3664 is 15 times wider than Earth. You can see it through ordinary eclipse glasses with no magnification at all. Moreover, it is easy to project an image of this sunspot onto the sidewalk or a white screen just as Carrington did in the 19th century.


Carrington's sunspot is famous because in August and Sept. 1859 it emitted a series of intense solar flares and CMEs. The resulting geomagnetic storms set fire to telegraph offices and sparked auroras from Cuba to Hawaii. The "Carrington Event" has since become a touchstone of space weather in pop culture, with recent headlines stoking fears of an "internet apocalypse" if it repeats.


Indeed, it could repeat. Studies suggest that Carrington-class storms occur once every 40 to 60 years, so we're overdue. CMEs currently en route to Earth will not cause a new Carrington Event; they are puny compared to the CMEs of 1859. Nevertheless, it would be wise to keep an eye on this growing active region while Earth is in its strike zone. CME impact alerts: SMS Text
Back in 1859 our magnetic shield protecting the earth from CMEs was at 100%. Now it is down about 40% from the last report. It will not take a CME or X Class flare of the type in 1859 to destroy the grid worldwide. Do your own research and you will see why there is such a big concern about the CMEs headed toward earth.
 
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