VIDEO ECON: Bill Holter-Fed Will Not Be Able to Put Out This Fire

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Published on May 26, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6lQ873v1yk#t=1561


Will the U.S. be forced to do an audit to verify its 8,000 tons of gold if the Chinese reveal how much gold they have? Holter says, “The market place will say do an audit or we will keep selling the dollar. You very well could see an implosion. I have said for many years now that there is going to be an implosion. You are going to go to bed Friday night in a world that resembles the current reality, and you wake up Monday morning and everything has changed. You will be locked into your position. Markets are closed. . . . Think about the brokers or banks that have a huge amount of derivatives. . . . The top two banks in the world alone have $150 trillion in derivatives. The amount of collateral they need to post to keep the game going overnight could be in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Where are they going to get that from? The Fed will not be able to put out this fire.”
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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8,000 tons of gold = 16 million pounds of gold = 256 million ounces of gold = $303 billion dollars worth of gold at current spot price = 1.6% of our $18 trillion debt = 30 days of US Federal government expenditures at the current daily rate of just under $10 billion/day.

By all reasonable estimates,there is only about 156,000 tonnes of gold, mined and above ground for usage in all the world today. That is just under $6 trillion dollars worth of gold at today's price...about 1/3 of the current $18 trillion US debt.
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
8,000 tons of gold = 16 million pounds of gold = 256 million ounces of gold = $303 billion dollars worth of gold at current spot price = 1.6% of our $18 trillion debt = 30 days of US Federal government expenditures at the current daily rate of just under $10 billion/day.

By all reasonable estimates,there is only about 156,000 tonnes of gold, mined and above ground for usage in all the world today. That is just under $6 trillion dollars worth of gold at today's price...about 1/3 of the current $18 trillion US debt.

every word is correct

but the frn is not backed by metal, it is backed by 'the good faith and goodwill of the us guv'

meaning it is propped up by confidence and absolutely nothing else

confidence

if an audit can't confirm that uncle sugar has been prudent w/ the 'people's gold' (as the stockpile was called when fdr took au from 'the people'), then what else are they lying about?

not having the au they claim is a blow to confidence in uncle sugar. not a small one

no confidence in guv means the frn has no backing whatsoever

at which time it will return to its intrinsic value - paper or digits
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
then what else are they lying about?

What they AREN'T lying about would be easier to keep sorted out ... if you could find anything, that is.
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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every word is correct

but the frn is not backed by metal, it is backed by 'the good faith and goodwill of the us guv'

meaning it is propped up by confidence and absolutely nothing else

confidence

if an audit can't confirm that uncle sugar has been prudent w/ the 'people's gold' (as the stockpile was called when fdr took au from 'the people'), then what else are they lying about?

not having the au they claim is a blow to confidence in uncle sugar. not a small one

no confidence in guv means the frn has no backing whatsoever

at which time it will return to its intrinsic value - paper or digits

Based on just my personal conversations with people, there are probably less than 2 in every 100 people who would even come close to knowing or caring how much gold the US supposedly has in its vaults. Or what that gold is worth. Or what that means relative to the numbers I posted above. When that few people know or care...does it really matter any more?

Those other 98 out of 100 people go on their clueless, merry way and as long as the dollars they have still buy the things they need and want (which they are tending to buy from other mostly clueless people like themselves) then they (and the dollar itself) are not exhibiting "confidence in the full faith and credit of the US gov" as much as they are exhibiting faith in the dollar as a continuing acceptable medium of exchange. The 2 out of a 100 that do have a clue act just like the other 98 in regards to the medium of exchange issue...they just worry about it more! :lol:
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
again, all true kris

but the 100 people you are rubbing elbows w/ - correct me if i'm wrong - do not run the world of hi politics or finance, and as such aren't the ones propping the frn up

the 100 people you do rub elbows w/ will figure out some kind of substitute for the medium of exchange. but it will most likely be very, very painful to get to that point when the global hi politics and finance people - whose confidence matters - do admit publicly to losing confidence.

and initiate the conversion to a new medium
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Based on just my personal conversations with people, there are probably less than 2 in every 100 people who would even come close to knowing or caring how much gold the US supposedly has in its vaults. Or what that gold is worth. Or what that means relative to the numbers I posted above. When that few people know or care...does it really matter any more?

Those other 98 out of 100 people go on their clueless, merry way and as long as the dollars they have still buy the things they need and want (which they are tending to buy from other mostly clueless people like themselves) then they (and the dollar itself) are not exhibiting "confidence in the full faith and credit of the US gov" as much as they are exhibiting faith in the dollar as a continuing acceptable medium of exchange. The 2 out of a 100 that do have a clue act just like the other 98 in regards to the medium of exchange issue...they just worry about it more! :lol:

Gold is a commodity, not money in our current monetary system, maybe the ultimate commodity but still a commodity, money is not a commodity nowadays.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
Please keep in mind precious metals use a different units of measure. for example, there are 12 troy ounces in a troy pound. Sometimes it's difficult to convert, but if using 16 ounces instead of 12 in itself can cause a substance error in calculations.

VERY often the press does not understand and it can be quite confusing unless units are clearly stated, for example "metric" tons
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Based on just my personal conversations with people, there are probably less than 2 in every 100 people who would even come close to knowing or caring how much gold the US supposedly has in its vaults. Or what that gold is worth. Or what that means relative to the numbers I posted above. When that few people know or care...does it really matter any more?

Those other 98 out of 100 people go on their clueless, merry way and as long as the dollars they have still buy the things they need and want (which they are tending to buy from other mostly clueless people like themselves) then they (and the dollar itself) are not exhibiting "confidence in the full faith and credit of the US gov" as much as they are exhibiting faith in the dollar as a continuing acceptable medium of exchange. The 2 out of a 100 that do have a clue act just like the other 98 in regards to the medium of exchange issue...they just worry about it more! :lol:

I really wish I could disagree with your numbers, but I can't. Maybe 1 in a thousand are currently doing what I am, which is looking for foreign alternatives. Of those, VERY few discuss it, within the US. When I am in those foreign lands, though, they ALL speak up about it.

Southside
 

West

Senior
Yeah, but American minted gold and silver coins minted by our mint is backed by gold and silver.

And IMHO, the main thing that keeps up 98%+ of the peoples faith in the FRNotes and credit is our military might. Not saying that over night after we have a major military defeat that the FIAT dollar will collapse, but that same day the rest of the world would sell their dollars and then those 98%ers are going to be PO!
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Gold has indeed not been used as circulating money in the FUSA since FDR's Executive Order 6102, issued in 1933 - see http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=14611 for the full text of the EO.

Do keep in mind that the US Mint issues Gold Eagles, which are legal tender coins by act of Congress, at a face value of $50 FRNs for a one ounce coin, and lesser FRN$ face values for fractional ounce coins. While these are indeed legal tender coins, they do not circulate as money and certainly not for their face values, unless they fall into the hands of a monetary imbecile.
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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The problem is, Richard, that most of the world thinks of gold as money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dj9v9s9buk


Most of the world, let's say 4 billion of the slightly over 7 billion of us...more than half...exist on less than $10 equivalent per day. Think 3rd world populations and/or the still impoverished of the 1st and 2nd world countries are what make up this 4 billion who MIGHT still consider and even in some cases use gold (and silver and sea shells and pretty stones) as money. The vast majority of the populations of the 1st world countries fit into my 98 out of 100 populations and today do NOT consider gold as money.
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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Yeah, but American minted gold and silver coins minted by our mint is backed by gold and silver.

Uh, yea...because those coins *ARE* gold and silver....therefore they are "self-backing"...you are going to make my head explode with that sort of circular logic!

Reminds me of the old Yogi Berra AFLAC commercial, "They give you cash, which is just as good as money".
 

West

Senior
Uh, yea...because those coins *ARE* gold and silver....therefore they are "self-backing"...you are going to make my head explode with that sort of circular logic!

Reminds me of the old Yogi Berra AFLAC commercial, "They give you cash, which is just as good as money".

Well, it's a deep subject. :D
 

Vegas321

Live free and survive
I trust Bill Holter's opinion. So many ways to kill the dollar, and with China's soon coming out of the closet, gold holdings annoncement, it's a sure bet in the next 90 day's (give or take), that this will be be the final nail on the dollar. People don't realize that China's gold holdings will be a "kill shot" on the dollar overnite.
The Sept/Oct time frame for "things to happen" i had placed at 70% chance odds. I'm upping that risk assesment to 80% now with 70% chance in August. So little time left, and most people are so blind to what's coming. Heck, i've taken off the first two weeks in Sept for preplacement of supply's and expect it could go down on any of those day's.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
There's a whole bunch of pretty smart people out there trying to manage this. Systems being what they are, I give them a small chance of bringing it off without a major implosion. My extended family thinks I'm nuts, but my wife is a team player and we've done what we can. So in the meantime life goes on.
 

2x2

Inactive
Tons & tons of gold go missing, so say the 'Experts' and the world goes on, not skipping a beat. 500 feet of copper goes missing & the world (a small part ) grinds to a halt.
Maybe most don't understand what "Wealth" is???


http://www.cnbc.com/id/102710940

Copper thieves shut down New York's A train

One of New York City's major subway lines was shut down for hours after copper thieves stripped about 500 feet of cable from 12 different locations along the tracks.

The A line, which connects parts of Queens and Brooklyn to the West Side of Manhattan, was suspended after the theft was discovered around midnight Tuesday. New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority says the thieves were the direct cause of the delays and the reason why the trains are being kept off the track through Wednesday night for emergency repairs.

"This led to delays and crowding along all 31 miles of the A train, and forced thousands of Rockaways customers to use shuttle buses to get to work," said Carmen Bianco, president of MTA New York City Transit. "We are working closely with the NYPD Transit Bureau to help them investigate this crime and identify the culprits responsible."


Read More › Here's what's behind the big copper pop
As many as 100,000 commuters were affected by the morning delays, but thousands more stand to have their commutes affected in some way as other lines compensate for the suspended service.

Read More › Copper theft 'like an epidemic' sweeping US


It's not the first time New York City's tracks have been targeted by copper thieves. Last year a man was arrested after stealing more than 1,000 feet of copper cables from eight different parts of the Long Island Rail Road.

The MTA thinks that this is a similar case where the copper was sought to be sold as scrap metal. Copper prices are up nearly 375 percent since 2003.
 

Rastech

Veteran Member
The problem is, Richard, that most of the world thinks of gold as money.

That is just under $6 trillion dollars worth of gold at today's price

The significance of that really needs to sink in.

There doesn't even begin to be enough gold in the World, for it to function as a 'currency' or as a backing for 'currency'.

Think about it. Seriously.
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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The significance of that really needs to sink in.

There doesn't even begin to be enough gold in the World, for it to function as a 'currency' or as a backing for 'currency'.

Think about it. Seriously.

More fun with numbers...

That $6 trillion worth of gold, divided by the 7 billion of us on this planet = a whopping $857 each in FRNs for each person on Earth. $857 each if we evenly distributed all of the gold available on the planet.

Think about that! 3/4 of an ounce of gold at today's prices is about $857.

If you hold more than your allotted $857 worth of gold you are just being greedy! :lol:
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
http://www.jsmineset.com/2015/05/26/china-has-only-one-option/

China Has Only One Option

Posted May 26th, 2015 at 9:51 PM (CST) by Jim Sinclair & filed under Bill Holter.

Dear CIGAS,

The title is of course a little misleading because China has many options, none of which except one in my opinion will actually work. Options to what exactly you ask? Options to a collapsing global economy and an imploding financial system which will surely affect China as much as anywhere else, but with one caveat. I take these events as a given, others do not but betting against an outright panic and global bankruptcy is betting against pure mathematics itself.

Let’s back up a little bit and look at where China is currently. They are the second largest economy in the world (maybe the largest, we can’t really know because the numbers here, there, and everywhere are made up). China is by far THE largest manufacturer in the world and also an enormous exporter. China is also in a three horse race as to who owns the most U.S. Treasuries with Japan and unbelievably the Federal Reserve itself. They have an oversized shadow banking system which has already been shown as fraudulent in several cases regarding copper, zinc and lead as "collateral" (or not).

The Chinese also have a stock market bubble boiling that makes the tulip craze http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...al-shenzhens-parabolic-stocks-just-hit-67x-pe look tame. Because of sheer size of the country, they are opening something like four million brokerage accounts per month. In recent days they have had several stocks hit new highs only to drop 50-60% or more in just one day. In fact, they had one company stock hit a new high and then go to ZERO the following day because it was discovered their books were cooked to a crisp.

We also know China is a huge importer of gold AND the largest producer of gold in the world. NONE of their production ever leaves their borders. There have been estimates of gold tonnage held by many. Alisdair Mcleod believes they may have 25,000 tons or more, I personally believe it is possible if you include legacy or "elders" gold. Others believe the number is closer to the 5,000 ton range. My belief is that 10,000 tons is a justifiable number and very easily proven, if this is true, much of it had come from the U.S. and other Western sources and thus depleting the reserves.

I assume the number is 10,000 tons or more, this is a safe number in my mind. I think it is also a safe bet to say the U.S. has sold a minimum of one half of "our" gold which would leave about 4,000 tons. If this is the case, there is already a new world order where China has as much gold as numbers 2, 3 and 4. Looking backwards in time, after the Bretton Woods agreement, the U.S. had every incentive to keep the "price" of gold down at $35. This is so and evidenced by the old saying "it’s as good as gold". The saying originally came about as a description of the dollar. As it turns out, the dollar was NOT as good as gold, in fact it was not as good as anything, even a cup of coffee. The dollar was overprinted and abused (inflated) by politicians (the Fed) in order to hide anything and everything "bad". This worked until we hit the wall, let’s call this wall "debt saturation". Now, the process is reversing and will end in a massive deflation versus real money while fiat currencies follow their issuers into insolvency.

Getting back to China, whenever they do make an announcement of how much gold they have, the yuan will appreciate greatly versus all fiat currencies. Many will pooh pooh this thought because "China will never do that, they will kill their own manufacturing base". Let me answer this before moving forward. The Chinese are very smart people, they can see the West is hitting the debt wall. They also know that as the wall is hit and markets begin to implode, their "customers" are going to have an even harder time buying Chinese produced goods. In fact, they already know this. They already know this is happening and can see it in their trade figures …which is why they recently formed the AIIB and are working feverishly to open the "old silk road" trade route! They are simply lining up new customers from one end of the silk road to the other!

I have hypothesized many times in the past, China has built out their infrastructure and even "ghost cities" using credit. Once the credit markets begin to default, they will be left with "stuff", in place and will last for the next 50 to 100 years. Roads, bridges, buildings, airports, ports, etc., you name it they have already built it. And yes, their stock market will crash, their real estate market is already softening, in reverse and declining. I am not saying it will be all rosy, to the contrary, there will be bankruptcies galore in China… with a caveat. The "government" of China will go through this liquidation phase with the most gold in the world.

Moving forward, since China will be hurt badly as investments default, I believe they will re price their gold higher initially. I believe marking their gold higher in terms of yuan will be their only option. They will be forced to in order to "recapitalize" themselves (and their banking system) and begin to fill in the black holes created by defaulted U.S. Treasuries and other "assets" held. You see, not only is the old saying "he who owns the gold makes the rules" true, it is also true that he who owns the gold has the ability to PRICE IT.

This has been true for so many years as the U.S. (the West) has wanted low gold prices as a show or display that their fiat currencies were "good". Now, as the curtain goes down on the West, China will want a very high gold price in yuan for when the curtain rises again. A gold price maybe even higher than it should be will give the PBOC more power initially AND will allow them some room to inflate and grow. Please notice I am only talking about China in this paragraph. As for the dollar and other Western currencies, they will be revalued downward versus the yuan which gives gold priced in dollars a double whammy of re pricing.

Let’s tie this all together and look at the old silk road and the trade route China is focusing on. It goes from Asia, through the Middles East and into Europe. Could this be why various European nations are repatriating their gold? Not only because they have lost trust in their custodian but they also know China will put an emphasis on gold holdings in the future? What do many Asians hold as money? Yes, Gold. Indians? Gold. Arabs? Again gold. The point I am trying to make is the "old silk road" might as well be called the "yellow brick road" and one paved with gold from beginning to end! It seems to me, the only ones who don’t understand this or even disagree are Westerners and in particular, Americans. Our standard of living is about to pulled right out from under us while violently proclaiming "it can never happen". I would say, it should have already happened but has not because we still had a few kilos left to supply the paving crew of the "Wizard of OZ paving company".

The above was finished midday on Saturday, since then two new pieces of news have come out. First, China announced it is setting up "the world’s largest gold fund" http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-24/china-establishes-worlds-largest-physical-gold-fund . They will earmark $16 billon to purchase physical gold. If you do the math, this is around 500 tons or about 20% of global production. By calling it "the world’s largest gold fund", maybe China is saying they do not believe "GLD" is real? Just an observation.

In the latest piece of news, http://rt.com/business/261289-brics-new-development-bank/ RT ran an editorial piece pointing out that China already lends more to Africa and Latin America than the World Bank and IMF combined. Is this posturing "for" the Chinese before the IMF readjusts the SDR? Seemingly disconnected pieces to the puzzle, don’t bet on it!

Regards, Bill Holter for;
Holter/Sinclair collaboration.
Comments welcome! bholter@hotmail.com
 

Milk-maid

Girls with Guns Member
Published on May 26, 2015

Will the U.S. be forced to do an audit to verify its 8,000 tons of gold if the Chinese reveal how much gold they have? Holter says, “The market place will say do an audit or we will keep selling the dollar. You very well could see an implosion. I have said for many years now that there is going to be an implosion. You are going to go to bed Friday night in a world that resembles the current reality, and you wake up Monday morning and everything has changed. You will be locked into your position. Markets are closed. . . . Think about the brokers or banks that have a huge amount of derivatives. . . . The top two banks in the world alone have $150 trillion in derivatives. The amount of collateral they need to post to keep the game going overnight could be in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Where are they going to get that from? The Fed will not be able to put out this fire.”

The thing is, the US doesn't have to let them do an audit. They can try to keep up the façade that the golds all there....

However...

They won't be allowed to join in the reserve currency.

They won't be allowed to join the basket of currencies which will be valued by the amounts of gold they have so they can properly value our dollars.

They won't be allowed to participate in the product exchange market of goods with the rest of the world.

They only countries we'll be allowed to trade with are countries who hold dollars and still believe in the US. (which there aren't a whole lot left)

MM
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
One question that has not been answered. How much gold of other countries does the US have that we are NEVER giving back?

Southside
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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The significance of that really needs to sink in.

There doesn't even begin to be enough gold in the World, for it to function as a 'currency' or as a backing for 'currency'.

Think about it. Seriously.

Why not?

If there is a cataclysmic reset in the world monetary systems, it could be revalued at....whatever they say it is. (They, being the ones with the most gold aaaand the commodities to value the gold against)

An academic question??

How was the value of gold set way back when....1600s, 1700s, etc?
 

the watcher

Inactive
I trust Bill Holter's opinion. So many ways to kill the dollar, and with China's soon coming out of the closet, gold holdings annoncement, it's a sure bet in the next 90 day's (give or take), that this will be be the final nail on the dollar. People don't realize that China's gold holdings will be a "kill shot" on the dollar overnite.
The Sept/Oct time frame for "things to happen" i had placed at 70% chance odds. I'm upping that risk assesment to 80% now with 70% chance in August. So little time left, and most people are so blind to what's coming. Heck, i've taken off the first two weeks in Sept for preplacement of supply's and expect it could go down on any of those day's.
Smart man. I assume you're a man lol. Even if September is only the real serious "start" of the downhill ride, it won't be getting better later. And the ride down will get faster and faster. I had a long 2 hour conversation with my sister this afternoon. I laid it all out and let her know she should be thinking of what she needs to do to be prepared. Her son, out of the NG in Jan of this year, 20 years, I told her, he's holding out on you. That she really needs to have a heart to heart with him. Just tell him to lay it all out. I will tell you this, there are things taking place, and being witnessed, that are NOT being posted on this forum, or anywhere else I know of. Pieces to a puzzle, every one of them. The picture on the puzzle isn't pretty.
 

West

Senior
How was the value of gold set way back when....1600s, 1700s, etc?

I thought about this a long time. Comes down to the times. In good times a ounce will buy you less, in bad times just less of a oz of silver could buy you a room and board for the night, plus a stall and hay for your horse. Another ounce could get you company and just enough cheap whiskey to make the company look beautiful. A ounce of gold would cause every one in the bar to sing for you, room and board for you and the horse for a week, two beautiful maids every evening and new shoes for the horse. Plus or minus.
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
value of gold historically has been 16 oz of silver to 1 ounce gold

wars have been fought over changes in spreads that attracted pm's from 1 country to another

and the us' most prosperous years were when we had bi-metallic currency

gold for big transactions and silver as 'the people's money'
 

Vegas321

Live free and survive
The significance of that really needs to sink in.

There doesn't even begin to be enough gold in the World, for it to function as a 'currency' or as a backing for 'currency'.

Think about it. Seriously.

Your thinking at today's price. Once you announce a gold backed currency or trade unit. You can set the "mark" if you have the majority. In this video, if China only back's 10% of it's trade unit, Gold goes to $6,400.00 overnight. Let that sink in cuz, most likely gold backing will be in the range of 20%-50%. Most country's want to deal in real money now, not the fake toilet paper that is the US dollar that we suckered the World with for 60+ years.
If we want to play in globel trade, we will have to show the World what our REAL gold stock is. If we have little to nothing, we get nothing because we don't produce anything anymore. Bill, talks about China opening the old "Silk road". Globel trade bypassing the US for S.America,Asia,India,Middle East and Eastern Europe. They have plenty of future trade partners. They don't need the US or Western Europe for that matter.
 
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