Of course she has! How many people do you talk to/work with in a couple of weeks - face to face?
Artie.
EBOLA Ebola victim in Madrid has become the first person in the world to contract outside Africa
Of course she has! How many people do you talk to/work with in a couple of weeks - face to face?
Artie.
Slatewiper
Membership Revoked
She is still alive. The article clearly states that she just tested positive this morning after developing a fever.
Heck, Duncan died and resurrected in the last 24 hours. Seems to be a trend here!
Medical Maven
Deceased
Posted at the PFI Forum by Pixie.
Cabinet crisis in health: a nurse who treated the missionary Viejo Garcia tests positive for Ebola
Professional, entered Monday with a fever at a hospital in Madrid, was in contact with the missionary Viejo Manuel García, who died from the disease on September 25 after being repatriated from Sierra Leone. A nurse at the Hospital of La Paz being examined as a possible second case.
http://tinyurl.com/ktbnj7d
The woman, who usually works at the hospital Carlos III de Madrid where he had contact with the deceased religious, was presented Monday at the Hospital Alcorcón to feel that he could have a fever, when it was isolated and subjected to the relevant tests. Per protocol, all persons who are in contact with Ebola patients during 21 days incubation time of the virus, temperature taking twice daily.
After learning of the situation a crisis cabinet chaired by Health Minister Ana Mato, was urgent meeting at the headquarters of his department. In this case, as was done with previous patients diagnosed with Ebola, the nurse has been transferred to the Hospital La Paz, Carlos III, with a reference unit of infectious and tropical diseases.
This contagion occurs 9 days after the death of García Viejo, who was repatriated to Sierra Leone last September 21 and died five days later after suffering a "deterioration" in the gravity and maintained, to be affected by a "significant dehydration "and hepato-renal involvement. The story was repeated as above, the priest Miguel Pajares affected by the Ebola virus and repatriated to Spain, became the first European to have died from the virus in the continent, last August.
Since the outbreak began there have been more than 20 suspected cases of Ebola in eleven regions, and all tests have given negative results.
Possible second case
A nurse at the Hospital of La Paz being examined as a possible second case of Ebola infection, according to medical sources reported Europa Press. The patient reported 061 Monday to feel high fever and was taken to the Hospital of Peace, where he works. There has been subjected to the test of Ebola and is awaiting the results.
In the press conference held by the Ministry of Health, the Director General of Primary Care Madrid explained that she had not heard of this case. Currently, it is unknown if the nurse of La Paz, which have not been offered more data might be in contact with infected patients, although other sources cited by eldiario.es claim that attended those affected.
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Cabinet crisis in health: a nurse who treated the missionary Viejo Garcia tests positive for Ebola
Professional, entered Monday with a fever at a hospital in Madrid, was in contact with the missionary Viejo Manuel García, who died from the disease on September 25 after being repatriated from Sierra Leone. A nurse at the Hospital of La Paz being examined as a possible second case.
http://tinyurl.com/ktbnj7d
The woman, who usually works at the hospital Carlos III de Madrid where he had contact with the deceased religious, was presented Monday at the Hospital Alcorcón to feel that he could have a fever, when it was isolated and subjected to the relevant tests. Per protocol, all persons who are in contact with Ebola patients during 21 days incubation time of the virus, temperature taking twice daily.
After learning of the situation a crisis cabinet chaired by Health Minister Ana Mato, was urgent meeting at the headquarters of his department. In this case, as was done with previous patients diagnosed with Ebola, the nurse has been transferred to the Hospital La Paz, Carlos III, with a reference unit of infectious and tropical diseases.
This contagion occurs 9 days after the death of García Viejo, who was repatriated to Sierra Leone last September 21 and died five days later after suffering a "deterioration" in the gravity and maintained, to be affected by a "significant dehydration "and hepato-renal involvement. The story was repeated as above, the priest Miguel Pajares affected by the Ebola virus and repatriated to Spain, became the first European to have died from the virus in the continent, last August.
Since the outbreak began there have been more than 20 suspected cases of Ebola in eleven regions, and all tests have given negative results.
Possible second case
A nurse at the Hospital of La Paz being examined as a possible second case of Ebola infection, according to medical sources reported Europa Press. The patient reported 061 Monday to feel high fever and was taken to the Hospital of Peace, where he works. There has been subjected to the test of Ebola and is awaiting the results.
In the press conference held by the Ministry of Health, the Director General of Primary Care Madrid explained that she had not heard of this case. Currently, it is unknown if the nurse of La Paz, which have not been offered more data might be in contact with infected patients, although other sources cited by eldiario.es claim that attended those affected.
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Kris,
Given that Ebola is a Level 4 pathogen that is only transmissible via bodily fluids, Level II protective gear, as shown above, ought to have been more than sufficient to protect health care workers.
The only explanation for what we're now seeing on a global scale is that the virus has aerosolized. And that's the last thing anyone in authority wants the public to know. There would be mass hysteria on a global scale. Pointless, of course, but people would panic nevertheless.
Artie.
Cyclonemom
Veteran Member
If a Level IV contagion can be treated at any hospital in the country, why does USAMRIID need the "slammer"?
If a Level IV contagion is only spread by direct contact with bodily fluids, why do all the research labs use positive pressure suits when in it's presence?
//end rhetorical.
This trying not to cause panic by giving out false info (and hope) will in the end cause an even worse panic!
If a Level IV contagion is only spread by direct contact with bodily fluids, why do all the research labs use positive pressure suits when in it's presence?
//end rhetorical.
This trying not to cause panic by giving out false info (and hope) will in the end cause an even worse panic!
The answer to a certain extent is "just in case". When death is literally a coin-flip away, you would want ALL of the protection you can get....
Years ago we drove without seat belts at all. Then seat belts came along. Then airbags. Then cars designed with crush zones...designed to be in an accident and absorb more of the impact rather than transferring it to the occupants. Each layer providing a bit more protection. "Just in case".
Kris,
Given that Ebola is a Level 4 pathogen that is only transmissible via bodily fluids, Level II protective gear, as shown above, ought to have been more than sufficient to protect health care workers.
The only explanation for what we're now seeing on a global scale is that the virus has aerosolized. And that's the last thing anyone in authority wants the public to know. There would be mass hysteria on a global scale. Pointless, of course, but people would panic nevertheless.
Artie.
Given that Ebola is a Level 4 pathogen that is only transmissible via bodily fluids, Level II protective gear, as shown above, ought to have been more than sufficient to protect health care workers.
The only explanation for what we're now seeing on a global scale is that the virus has aerosolized. And that's the last thing anyone in authority wants the public to know. There would be mass hysteria on a global scale. Pointless, of course, but people would panic nevertheless.
Artie.
They've been whistling passed that graveyard admitting and then denying then admitting aerosol is a "possible" method of transmission for a long time now. See the dozens of past posts on this subject probably half of them by yours truly. And I do believe aerosol transmission is entirely possible based on everything I have read.
For all practical purposes, aerosol is just another form of "direct contact with bodily fluids" when you get down to it.
But please keep in mind there is a huge difference between aerosol transmission and airborne transmission. Mainly distance of spread and longevity of the viability of the infectious agent. And in the grand scheme of things that *IS* an important distinction. The numbers of victims would be WAY bigger if this thing was truly airborne. Multiple magnitudes bigger.
There ARE those cases without an obvious "direct contact with bodily fluids". They are not sure HOW they caught Ebola. Just like Dr. Brantly.
Those situations definitely open up the possibilities of other methods of transmission...aerosol or via contaminated surfaces, fomites, which also are just another form of direct contact with bodily fluids as well. Or it was simply a true direct contact with bodily fluids that they didn't know about or notice due to fatigue or a lapse in concentration.
As the primary method of transmission is indeed "direct contact with bodily fluids" (this is known and can be discerned from the reports of prior outbreaks and the early days of this outbreak when they were accurately tracking such things at a pretty detailed level) the basic reproduction rate is in the range of 1-4.
That presents a bit of a problem if aerosol is indeed a significant form of transmission in addition to direct contact with bodily fluids. The basic reproduction rate for Ebola SHOULD be much higher...possibly even double, triple or more...because of the two methods of transmission. That says that even if aerosol is a valid method of transmission it is likely not THAT significant a method, one that doesn't actually occur all that often. One that doesn't contribute much to the overall infection rate. Otherwise, the reproduction rate should be expected to be up in at least the 5-8 range if not the 12-17 range, if aerosol transmission was a significant contributor to the overall Ebola infection rate.
So far, we are NOT seeing basic reproduction rates any higher than what would be expected for an outbreak driven almost exclusively by the "direct contact of bodily fluids" transmission method.
Thanks for responding.
I'm afraid I don't believe what's being reported at this time. There is simply no way the nurse in Madrid could have been infected if transmission were only possible via bodily fluids, whatever their liquid form.
In medicine, we deal with the same variables as everything else in science. We have the three states of matter - solid, liquid, and gas, and my first guess at this juncture, is that there is more than one strain of Ebola in play, and at least one of them has become airborne.
Given the stringent containment measures taken in the latest cases, now that TPTB realize that this isn't an 'ordinary' outbreak, such as we see from time to time in various places globally, no transmission from host to caregiver should be possible - period.
I would love to be wrong.
Artie.
Marthanoir
TB Fanatic
Have no fear! President Obola will keep it "contained."
president Ebola Gay has dropped the bomb on the US for sure
Marthanoir
TB Fanatic
Infected Spanish nurses husband is now in quarantine
Marthanoir
TB Fanatic
has she touched her mailbox? handled money? gassed up her car? pushed a grocery cart? the list is endless.
JDSeese
Veteran Member
This is why we are all going to die. He caught it before she even knew she had it. Unless we cut off all physical contact with our seemingly healthy family members RIGHT NOW, they will give it to us while they appear to be healthy and no risk.
Virus is genius; infects in stealth mode.
Marthanoir
TB Fanatic
And as long as the ptb & their msm brethren keep repeating the mantra of "not infectious till symptomatic" then nobody will take a blind bit of notice
Melodi
Disaster Cat
From Today's UK Guardian official damage control has started - see it must have been faulty equipment (which is true) but I find the spin on this interesting...
Spanish nurse’s Ebola infection blamed on substandard equipment
Staff at Madrid’s Carlos III hospital say protective suits do not meet WHO standards as second nurse undergoes tests for virus
Ashifa Kassam in Madrid
The Guardian, Tuesday 7 October 2014 12.12 BST
Health professionals in Madrid have blamed substandard equipment and a failure to follow protocol for the first case of Ebola to be contracted outside west Africa.
Health authorities announced on Monday that a Spanish nurse at Madrid’s Carlos III hospital who treated a patient repatriated from Sierra Leone had twice tested positive for Ebola.
Her husband had also been admitted to hospital and was in isolation, and a second nurse from the same team that treated both repatriated Ebola victims was also being tested. In this case, the nurse contacted the authorities on Monday complaining of a fever. She was in isolation in the Carlos III Hospital while authorities waited for the test results, a spokesperson for the Madrid regional government said.
Staff at the hospital told El País that the protective suits they were given did not meet World Health Organisation (WHO) standards, which specify that suits must be impermeable and include breathing apparatus. Staff also pointed to latex gloves secured with adhesive tape as an example of how the suits were not impermeable and noted that they did not have their own breathing equipment.
The nurse was part of a team attending to missionary Manuel García Viejo, 69, who died four days after being brought to Carlos III hospital on 20 September. The same team, including the nurse, also treated missionary Miguel Pajares, 75, who was repatriated from Liberia in August and died five days later.
Staff at the hospital said waste from the rooms of both patients was carried out in the same elevator used by all personnel and, in the case of the second patient, the hospital was not evacuated.
The European commission said on Tuesday it had written to the Spanish health minister “to obtain some clarification” on how the nurse had become infected when all EU member states were supposed to have taken measures to prevent transmission.
“There is obviously a problem somewhere,” the commission spokesman Frédéric Vincent said.
Spanish health authorities have said that professionals treating Ebola patients in Spain always follow WHO protocols. The nurse would have entered García Viejo’s room just twice, said Antonio Alemany, from the regional government of Madrid, both times wearing protective equipment.
“We don’t know yet what failed,” Alemany said. “We are investigating the mechanism of infection.”
The nurse was in a stable condition. She had alerted the ministry of a slight fever on 30 September and been checked into a hospital in Alcorcón, on the outskirts of Madrid, with a high fever on Monday.
The nurse, who is married with no children, was transferred to Carlos III hospital early on Tuesday morning.
El Mundo reported that it was the nurse who asked to be tested for Ebola, having to insist repeatedly on being tested before it was done on Monday.
While staff at the Alcorcón hospital were waiting for the test results, the nurse remained in a bed in the emergency room, separated only by curtains from other patients, hospital staff told El Mundo. Their version of events clashes with that of health authorities, who have said the patient was isolated from the first moment.
The woman was on holiday at an unknown location when she began showing symptoms. “We are drawing up a list of all the people she may have been in contact with, including with health professionals at the Alcorcón hospital,” said Alemany, estimating that more than 30 people were being monitored for any sign of symptoms.
In August, Spain became the first European country in the current, fast-spreading outbreak to evacuate patients for treatment. The decision prompted concern among health professionals, who said Spanish hospitals were not adequately equipped to handle Ebola.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/ebola-crisis-substandard-equipment-nurse-positive-spain
Spanish nurse’s Ebola infection blamed on substandard equipment
Staff at Madrid’s Carlos III hospital say protective suits do not meet WHO standards as second nurse undergoes tests for virus
Ashifa Kassam in Madrid
The Guardian, Tuesday 7 October 2014 12.12 BST
Health professionals in Madrid have blamed substandard equipment and a failure to follow protocol for the first case of Ebola to be contracted outside west Africa.
Health authorities announced on Monday that a Spanish nurse at Madrid’s Carlos III hospital who treated a patient repatriated from Sierra Leone had twice tested positive for Ebola.
Her husband had also been admitted to hospital and was in isolation, and a second nurse from the same team that treated both repatriated Ebola victims was also being tested. In this case, the nurse contacted the authorities on Monday complaining of a fever. She was in isolation in the Carlos III Hospital while authorities waited for the test results, a spokesperson for the Madrid regional government said.
Staff at the hospital told El País that the protective suits they were given did not meet World Health Organisation (WHO) standards, which specify that suits must be impermeable and include breathing apparatus. Staff also pointed to latex gloves secured with adhesive tape as an example of how the suits were not impermeable and noted that they did not have their own breathing equipment.
The nurse was part of a team attending to missionary Manuel García Viejo, 69, who died four days after being brought to Carlos III hospital on 20 September. The same team, including the nurse, also treated missionary Miguel Pajares, 75, who was repatriated from Liberia in August and died five days later.
Staff at the hospital said waste from the rooms of both patients was carried out in the same elevator used by all personnel and, in the case of the second patient, the hospital was not evacuated.
The European commission said on Tuesday it had written to the Spanish health minister “to obtain some clarification” on how the nurse had become infected when all EU member states were supposed to have taken measures to prevent transmission.
“There is obviously a problem somewhere,” the commission spokesman Frédéric Vincent said.
Spanish health authorities have said that professionals treating Ebola patients in Spain always follow WHO protocols. The nurse would have entered García Viejo’s room just twice, said Antonio Alemany, from the regional government of Madrid, both times wearing protective equipment.
“We don’t know yet what failed,” Alemany said. “We are investigating the mechanism of infection.”
The nurse was in a stable condition. She had alerted the ministry of a slight fever on 30 September and been checked into a hospital in Alcorcón, on the outskirts of Madrid, with a high fever on Monday.
The nurse, who is married with no children, was transferred to Carlos III hospital early on Tuesday morning.
El Mundo reported that it was the nurse who asked to be tested for Ebola, having to insist repeatedly on being tested before it was done on Monday.
While staff at the Alcorcón hospital were waiting for the test results, the nurse remained in a bed in the emergency room, separated only by curtains from other patients, hospital staff told El Mundo. Their version of events clashes with that of health authorities, who have said the patient was isolated from the first moment.
The woman was on holiday at an unknown location when she began showing symptoms. “We are drawing up a list of all the people she may have been in contact with, including with health professionals at the Alcorcón hospital,” said Alemany, estimating that more than 30 people were being monitored for any sign of symptoms.
In August, Spain became the first European country in the current, fast-spreading outbreak to evacuate patients for treatment. The decision prompted concern among health professionals, who said Spanish hospitals were not adequately equipped to handle Ebola.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/ebola-crisis-substandard-equipment-nurse-positive-spain
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TB Fanatic
Spanish nurse first to contract Ebola in Europe
'had virus for a week' before being diagnosed
22 contacts of Spanish nurse infected with Ebola being monitored,
says Madrid hospital
By Fiona Govan,
Madrid
9:54AM BST 07 Oct 2014
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-virus-for-a-week-before-being-diagnosed.html
'had virus for a week' before being diagnosed
22 contacts of Spanish nurse infected with Ebola being monitored,
says Madrid hospital
By Fiona Govan,
Madrid
9:54AM BST 07 Oct 2014
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-virus-for-a-week-before-being-diagnosed.html
The Spanish nurse who became the first person to contract Ebola
outside West Africa began to feel unwell a week before she was finally
admitted into a Madrid hospital and diagnosed with the deadly virus, it
has emerged.
The 44-year-old nurse, who was part of the medical team that treated
two Spanish missionaries who died of the disease shortly after they were
repatriated to Madrid, first complained of feeling ill on September 30.
She reportedly contacted health workers to tell them she was suffering
from a low fever and fatigue explaining that she had assisted in the care
of the missionaries at the specialist isolation unit of the Carlos III
hospital.
But it wasn’t until she presented herself at the emergency department of
her local hospital in the early hours of Monday with a high fever that she
was finally admitted and given tests to see if she had contracted the
virus.
On Monday night, Spain’s Ministry of Health confirmed that the woman,
whose name has not been made public, had tested positive to the virus
and become the first person to contract Ebola outside of West Africa.
Ebola, which is contracted through contact with infected bodily fluids,
has killed more than 3,300 people in Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.
The delay in diagnosing the illness in the Spanish nurse has raised
serious questions over the ability of Spain’s health service to contain the
virus after the controversial repatriation of the two elderly missionaries.
Ana Mato, the Spanish Health Minister urged people to remain calm,
insisting that “all possible measures” were in place to guarantee public
safety.
The coordinator of emergency health services at the Spanish Ministry of
Health conceded that it would have been better to have admitted the
nurse into hospital earlier.
He said that although she hadn't presented the symptoms used by
clinicians to initially suspect a case of Ebola, her recent history of having
been in contact with the stricken missionaries meant it would have been
preferable to err on the side of caution.
"In this case it would have been better to have admitted her for
observation on September 30 rather than wait for the more serious
symptoms," said Fernando Simon.
He confirmed that the husband of the nurse has now been put in
isolation and is under observation although he has yet to show signs of
feeling unwell.
An investigation has been launched in an attempt to determine exactly
how the nurse contracted the virus while working within strict guidelines
set up at the specialist unit where the repatriated missionaries were
treated.
She had access to Manuel Garcia Viejo, 69, the missionary who died on
September 25, five days after being repatriated from Sierra Leone, on
only two occasions, Madrid’s health chief confirmed.
The first was to treat him during his illness and the second was after he
died when she entered the room to collect materials for disposal.
The day after his death, the nurse went on holiday to a location that has
not been made public by health authorities.
Spain’s health authorities are monitoring 22 people that may have been
in close contact with the nurse, including medical colleagues and her
husband.
Late Monday night the infected nurse was transferred to the isolation
unit at Carlos III where the two missionaries with Ebola were treated.
Her condition is described as “stable”.
Staff at the hospital have expressed concern that standards designed to
keep the virus in check were not sufficient.
According to a report in El Mundo, the protective suits issued to the
medical team treating the missionaries were sub-standard because they
were not completely impermeable and did not include separate breathing
apparatus.
outside West Africa began to feel unwell a week before she was finally
admitted into a Madrid hospital and diagnosed with the deadly virus, it
has emerged.
The 44-year-old nurse, who was part of the medical team that treated
two Spanish missionaries who died of the disease shortly after they were
repatriated to Madrid, first complained of feeling ill on September 30.
She reportedly contacted health workers to tell them she was suffering
from a low fever and fatigue explaining that she had assisted in the care
of the missionaries at the specialist isolation unit of the Carlos III
hospital.
But it wasn’t until she presented herself at the emergency department of
her local hospital in the early hours of Monday with a high fever that she
was finally admitted and given tests to see if she had contracted the
virus.
On Monday night, Spain’s Ministry of Health confirmed that the woman,
whose name has not been made public, had tested positive to the virus
and become the first person to contract Ebola outside of West Africa.
Ebola, which is contracted through contact with infected bodily fluids,
has killed more than 3,300 people in Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.
The delay in diagnosing the illness in the Spanish nurse has raised
serious questions over the ability of Spain’s health service to contain the
virus after the controversial repatriation of the two elderly missionaries.
Ana Mato, the Spanish Health Minister urged people to remain calm,
insisting that “all possible measures” were in place to guarantee public
safety.
The coordinator of emergency health services at the Spanish Ministry of
Health conceded that it would have been better to have admitted the
nurse into hospital earlier.
He said that although she hadn't presented the symptoms used by
clinicians to initially suspect a case of Ebola, her recent history of having
been in contact with the stricken missionaries meant it would have been
preferable to err on the side of caution.
"In this case it would have been better to have admitted her for
observation on September 30 rather than wait for the more serious
symptoms," said Fernando Simon.
He confirmed that the husband of the nurse has now been put in
isolation and is under observation although he has yet to show signs of
feeling unwell.
An investigation has been launched in an attempt to determine exactly
how the nurse contracted the virus while working within strict guidelines
set up at the specialist unit where the repatriated missionaries were
treated.
She had access to Manuel Garcia Viejo, 69, the missionary who died on
September 25, five days after being repatriated from Sierra Leone, on
only two occasions, Madrid’s health chief confirmed.
The first was to treat him during his illness and the second was after he
died when she entered the room to collect materials for disposal.
The day after his death, the nurse went on holiday to a location that has
not been made public by health authorities.
Spain’s health authorities are monitoring 22 people that may have been
in close contact with the nurse, including medical colleagues and her
husband.
Late Monday night the infected nurse was transferred to the isolation
unit at Carlos III where the two missionaries with Ebola were treated.
Her condition is described as “stable”.
Staff at the hospital have expressed concern that standards designed to
keep the virus in check were not sufficient.
According to a report in El Mundo, the protective suits issued to the
medical team treating the missionaries were sub-standard because they
were not completely impermeable and did not include separate breathing
apparatus.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Spain Warns "Something Went Wrong" As Suspected Ebola Cases Rise In Madrid
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 10/07/2014 08:44 -0400
Despite being described by Spain's public health director as "a national jewel," the head of Spain's Nursing Council warns "something went wrong" in the health care system's protocols. As RT reports, Spanish health officials have 4 patients interned including infected initial nurse, her husband, and a 2nd nurse (male). Furthermore, 22 more possible Ebola cases are under surveillance having had direct contact with the infected nurse during her vacation after being infected (officials have said they 'don't know' how she became infected with the deadly virus). Images within the hospital show "irregularities" and make-shift isolation units and an insider account said "I do not want to create social alarm, but explain what is still a reality everyday for a few months of nursing staff at the ICU.". One researcher noted "air traffic is the driver.," and added ominously, "it's just a matter of who gets lucky and who gets unlucky."
As RT reports,
Spanish authorities are struggling to explain the infection, as The Daily Mail reports
And, as RT reports, in a similar vein to Dallas, it appears local hospitals were anything but prepared for this...
"Air traffic is the driver," warns Professor Alessandro Vespignani of Northeastern University in Boston...predicting where the virus will spread...
An insider whistle-blows on the weakness in Spanish anti-Ebola protocls (via Google Translate)
I am a nurse in the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) of the Hospital La Paz. The reason for addressing you.'s To inform the public the facts that have happened recently regarding the "Crisis of the Ebola virus" opinion. Do not want to create social alarm, but tell what is still a reality in everyday for a few months of nursing staff the ICU among which I include ago.
Since the hospital was named La Paz as a reference center for the diagnosis and treatment of HIV infection in April 2014, the staff has been showing its disconfor to that measure and irregularities have been committing the direction of nursing the hospital as a whole. (See attachment Notification Judge).
These irregularities summarize, focus on that:
• The hospital does not have adequate infrastructure to enter patients affected with this type of disease (the famous isolation rooms with negative pressure).
• The original protocols of the Ministry of Health were modified to fit like the gaps that had the hospital: If you do not have "negative pressure" we say "as far as is demonstrated airborne transmission is not necessary."
• General (modified or not) protocols are not handed to staff for knowledge, nor were exposed at various meetings with management nursing.
• As ICU care were demanding the implementation of specific protocols UCI (Today still not exist or at least personnel have not arrived)
• Staff training requires the completion of courses and training to work in situations like this.
• The Department of Preventive Medicine Hospital offers two informative talks (45 minutes) of such as personal protective equipment required. In those talks and the inexperience of the same staff that taught, costumes torn apart, replaced the shims for plastic bags, there were no complete SCUBA and coming to say more or less I had to do a hack to cover his face with masking tape.
Without being solved any of these issues by the Department of the hospital, you will hanging out and communicating to staff that will be the Hospital of the defense "Gómez Ulla" who takes these emergencies but as it is in the process of reform to create appropriate facilities, until the month of October will remain referral hospital.
...
Finally only remains to emphasize that in all this there is a lot of improvisation and a lot of reckless attitude of those who truly, really ... NOT going to be ahead of the virus at him in the face. Listen to those who are on the front line have something to say.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...-went-wrong-suspected-ebola-cases-rise-madrid
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 10/07/2014 08:44 -0400
Despite being described by Spain's public health director as "a national jewel," the head of Spain's Nursing Council warns "something went wrong" in the health care system's protocols. As RT reports, Spanish health officials have 4 patients interned including infected initial nurse, her husband, and a 2nd nurse (male). Furthermore, 22 more possible Ebola cases are under surveillance having had direct contact with the infected nurse during her vacation after being infected (officials have said they 'don't know' how she became infected with the deadly virus). Images within the hospital show "irregularities" and make-shift isolation units and an insider account said "I do not want to create social alarm, but explain what is still a reality everyday for a few months of nursing staff at the ICU.". One researcher noted "air traffic is the driver.," and added ominously, "it's just a matter of who gets lucky and who gets unlucky."
As RT reports,
Spanish authorities are struggling to explain the infection, as The Daily Mail reports
And, as RT reports, in a similar vein to Dallas, it appears local hospitals were anything but prepared for this...
"Air traffic is the driver," warns Professor Alessandro Vespignani of Northeastern University in Boston...predicting where the virus will spread...
An insider whistle-blows on the weakness in Spanish anti-Ebola protocls (via Google Translate)
I am a nurse in the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) of the Hospital La Paz. The reason for addressing you.'s To inform the public the facts that have happened recently regarding the "Crisis of the Ebola virus" opinion. Do not want to create social alarm, but tell what is still a reality in everyday for a few months of nursing staff the ICU among which I include ago.
Since the hospital was named La Paz as a reference center for the diagnosis and treatment of HIV infection in April 2014, the staff has been showing its disconfor to that measure and irregularities have been committing the direction of nursing the hospital as a whole. (See attachment Notification Judge).
These irregularities summarize, focus on that:
• The hospital does not have adequate infrastructure to enter patients affected with this type of disease (the famous isolation rooms with negative pressure).
• The original protocols of the Ministry of Health were modified to fit like the gaps that had the hospital: If you do not have "negative pressure" we say "as far as is demonstrated airborne transmission is not necessary."
• General (modified or not) protocols are not handed to staff for knowledge, nor were exposed at various meetings with management nursing.
• As ICU care were demanding the implementation of specific protocols UCI (Today still not exist or at least personnel have not arrived)
• Staff training requires the completion of courses and training to work in situations like this.
• The Department of Preventive Medicine Hospital offers two informative talks (45 minutes) of such as personal protective equipment required. In those talks and the inexperience of the same staff that taught, costumes torn apart, replaced the shims for plastic bags, there were no complete SCUBA and coming to say more or less I had to do a hack to cover his face with masking tape.
Without being solved any of these issues by the Department of the hospital, you will hanging out and communicating to staff that will be the Hospital of the defense "Gómez Ulla" who takes these emergencies but as it is in the process of reform to create appropriate facilities, until the month of October will remain referral hospital.
...
Finally only remains to emphasize that in all this there is a lot of improvisation and a lot of reckless attitude of those who truly, really ... NOT going to be ahead of the virus at him in the face. Listen to those who are on the front line have something to say.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...-went-wrong-suspected-ebola-cases-rise-madrid
BertaBurtonLake
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Well, that 14% chance of Ebola appearing in Spain by the END of October just got shot all to hell now, didn't it?
mzkitty
I give up.
Just some short catch-up snips from Breakingnews.com:
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22 contacts of Spanish Ebola nurse identified and are being monitored, Madrid hospital official says - @Reuters
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Madrid hospital official says treating Ebola nurse with drip using antibodies from previous infected - @Reuters
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Madrid hospital: 4 people hospitalized as well as Ebola nurse; 2 monitored under suspicion of infection - @Reuters
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European Commission asks Spain to explain how a nurse treating Ebola patients in Madrid contracted the disease - @AFP
http://news.yahoo.com/eu-demands-explanation-spain-ebola-case-084859314.html
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22 contacts of Spanish Ebola nurse identified and are being monitored, Madrid hospital official says - @Reuters
End of alert
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Madrid hospital official says treating Ebola nurse with drip using antibodies from previous infected - @Reuters
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Madrid hospital: 4 people hospitalized as well as Ebola nurse; 2 monitored under suspicion of infection - @Reuters
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European Commission asks Spain to explain how a nurse treating Ebola patients in Madrid contracted the disease - @AFP
http://news.yahoo.com/eu-demands-explanation-spain-ebola-case-084859314.html
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Spain's Nursing Council warns "something went wrong" in the health care system's protocols.
Ya think? According to the CDC any hospital can effectively treat EVD with standard isolation protocols. I'm assuming the protocols in Spain to be similar to what is recommended by our CDC or heck, they could even be greater as it seems almost every other nation is taking this a lot more serious than we are. When medical professionals are following all the protocols and they still get infected something is extremely wrong.
Ya think? According to the CDC any hospital can effectively treat EVD with standard isolation protocols. I'm assuming the protocols in Spain to be similar to what is recommended by our CDC or heck, they could even be greater as it seems almost every other nation is taking this a lot more serious than we are. When medical professionals are following all the protocols and they still get infected something is extremely wrong.
Lilbitsnana
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A dog...I wonder how many other dogs it's been around...
FB Newswire @fbnewswire 2m2 minutes ago
Threat by authorities in Spain to put down dog that belongs to a nurse's assistant who has #Ebola leads to backlash: http://www.facebook.com/FBNewswire/posts/783467595024697 …
Daily Mirror @DailyMirror 5h5 hours ago
Husband of Spanish nurse with Ebola starts campaign to save DOG from being put down http://mirr.im/Zsenkg
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/husband-spanish-nurse-ebola-starts-4398003
Husband of Spanish nurse with Ebola starts campaign to save DOG from being put down
Javier Limon Romero - who is quarantined because his wife Teresa has the killer disease - has asked an animal welfare group to stop his dog being killed by Spanish authorities
Unhappy: Javier Limon Romero doesn't want authorities to euthanise his dog The husband of the Spanish nurse infected with Ebola has attacked health chiefs in Madrid for threatening to put down their pet dog.
Teresa Romero Ramos and Javier Limon Romero are being held in quarantine in separate rooms at the same hospital in the Spanish capital.
Teresa, 44, one of the medical team that treated the two repatriated Spanish priests who died from Ebola, was diagnosed with the killer disease on Monday.
Today, husband Javier, who is being looked after at the Carlos III Hospital, forwarded a message from his hospital room claiming health chiefs in Madrid want to put down their pet dog Excalibur.
Javier, who lives in the Madrid suburb of Alcorcon, raged: “I want to publicly denounce a man called Zarco, who I think is Head of Health for the community of Madrid and who’s told me that I have my dog put down. He’s asked for my consent and I’ve denied it, to which he responded that they would ask for a court order to enter my house and have it put down.
“Before leaving hospital I left several buckets of water out for it as well as filling the bath with water, along with a 15 kilo sack of food.
“I also left the door to the terrace open so it could do it necessities.
“It seems unfair to me that because of a mistake they’ve made, they want to solve this the easy way.
“A dog doesn’t have to infect a person and vice versa."
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“If this problem worries them so much I think they should look for another type of alternative solution, such as putting the dog in quarantine and observation like they’ve done with me. Or perhaps they feel they should put me down just in case? Of course a dog is easier, it doesn’t matter as much.”
According to a document sent by officials in Madrid, although dogs can't contract Ebola, it is possible they can transmit the virus to humans.
It reads: "The existence of the pet dog which has been living with the patient infected with the Ebola virus, according to the scientific findings available, presents a possible risk of transmission of the disease to humans.@
The revelation has sparked fury among dog lovers in Spain.
An online petition has already collected calling for the dog to be saved has already attracted more than 65,000 signatures.
Campaign: Animal welfare groups are trying to save Excalibur Bea Espinosa, a helper at the Villa Pepa Animal Welfare Centre in Avila north of Madrid, said: “Javier sent the message to friends and colleagues.
“A nurse that works with his wife passed it on to us with a message asking us to put the appeal out on the Internet.
“I spoke to Javier before publicising it and he confirmed it was a genuine message and he wanted it to go out on social networking sites.”
Several Spanish newspaper posted his appeal on their websites today, identifying Zarko as Julio Zarco, the new Head of Patient Care for Madrid’s regional government’s Department of Health.
Despite being in quarantine, respected Spanish daily El Mundo managed to get a quick phone interview with the Spanish nurse's husband in hospital which they posted on their website.
He sounded fit and in good health during their five-minute chat.
As well as complaining about the risk to his dog, he told the paper: “My wife has been working normally and has followed all the normal protocols.
“We’ve no idea how she could have been infected.
“She’s never appeared worried about anything. We were going to go on holiday and couldn’t because of an accident I had at work.
“She volunteered to help the second priest who died from Ebola. She was on the rota when the first patient arrived but volunteered second time round.”
One of four people being monitored in hospital for Ebola in Spain has tested negative for the disease.
The person cleared in the tests is a female health worker, who had diarrhoea but no fever, and who was hospitalised along with three others as Spain tries to stem the spread of Ebola.
FB Newswire @fbnewswire 2m2 minutes ago
Threat by authorities in Spain to put down dog that belongs to a nurse's assistant who has #Ebola leads to backlash: http://www.facebook.com/FBNewswire/posts/783467595024697 …
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Daily Mirror @DailyMirror 5h5 hours ago
Husband of Spanish nurse with Ebola starts campaign to save DOG from being put down http://mirr.im/Zsenkg
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/husband-spanish-nurse-ebola-starts-4398003
Husband of Spanish nurse with Ebola starts campaign to save DOG from being put down
- Oct 07, 2014 20:59
- By Gerard Couzens, Steve Robson
Javier Limon Romero - who is quarantined because his wife Teresa has the killer disease - has asked an animal welfare group to stop his dog being killed by Spanish authorities
Unhappy: Javier Limon Romero doesn't want authorities to euthanise his dog The husband of the Spanish nurse infected with Ebola has attacked health chiefs in Madrid for threatening to put down their pet dog.
Teresa Romero Ramos and Javier Limon Romero are being held in quarantine in separate rooms at the same hospital in the Spanish capital.
Teresa, 44, one of the medical team that treated the two repatriated Spanish priests who died from Ebola, was diagnosed with the killer disease on Monday.
Today, husband Javier, who is being looked after at the Carlos III Hospital, forwarded a message from his hospital room claiming health chiefs in Madrid want to put down their pet dog Excalibur.
Javier, who lives in the Madrid suburb of Alcorcon, raged: “I want to publicly denounce a man called Zarco, who I think is Head of Health for the community of Madrid and who’s told me that I have my dog put down. He’s asked for my consent and I’ve denied it, to which he responded that they would ask for a court order to enter my house and have it put down.
“Before leaving hospital I left several buckets of water out for it as well as filling the bath with water, along with a 15 kilo sack of food.
“I also left the door to the terrace open so it could do it necessities.
“It seems unfair to me that because of a mistake they’ve made, they want to solve this the easy way.
“A dog doesn’t have to infect a person and vice versa."
Video loading
“If this problem worries them so much I think they should look for another type of alternative solution, such as putting the dog in quarantine and observation like they’ve done with me. Or perhaps they feel they should put me down just in case? Of course a dog is easier, it doesn’t matter as much.”
According to a document sent by officials in Madrid, although dogs can't contract Ebola, it is possible they can transmit the virus to humans.
It reads: "The existence of the pet dog which has been living with the patient infected with the Ebola virus, according to the scientific findings available, presents a possible risk of transmission of the disease to humans.@
The revelation has sparked fury among dog lovers in Spain.
An online petition has already collected calling for the dog to be saved has already attracted more than 65,000 signatures.
Campaign: Animal welfare groups are trying to save Excalibur Bea Espinosa, a helper at the Villa Pepa Animal Welfare Centre in Avila north of Madrid, said: “Javier sent the message to friends and colleagues.
“A nurse that works with his wife passed it on to us with a message asking us to put the appeal out on the Internet.
“I spoke to Javier before publicising it and he confirmed it was a genuine message and he wanted it to go out on social networking sites.”
Several Spanish newspaper posted his appeal on their websites today, identifying Zarko as Julio Zarco, the new Head of Patient Care for Madrid’s regional government’s Department of Health.
Despite being in quarantine, respected Spanish daily El Mundo managed to get a quick phone interview with the Spanish nurse's husband in hospital which they posted on their website.
He sounded fit and in good health during their five-minute chat.
As well as complaining about the risk to his dog, he told the paper: “My wife has been working normally and has followed all the normal protocols.
“We’ve no idea how she could have been infected.
“She’s never appeared worried about anything. We were going to go on holiday and couldn’t because of an accident I had at work.
“She volunteered to help the second priest who died from Ebola. She was on the rota when the first patient arrived but volunteered second time round.”
One of four people being monitored in hospital for Ebola in Spain has tested negative for the disease.
The person cleared in the tests is a female health worker, who had diarrhoea but no fever, and who was hospitalised along with three others as Spain tries to stem the spread of Ebola.
Lilbitsnana
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on CNN now
six (6) more possible cases of Ebola in Spain
six (6) more possible cases of Ebola in Spain
Inthewoods
Adapting to the new paradigm
Really wish you would post links on your threads.
Monty
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How do you post a link to a live TV report?
Most networks including CNN almost always have at least a small synopsis of the report in text on their web site. It is usually under the live video.
Lilbitsnana
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from the link:
posted for fair use
Hospital worker: Spaniard exposed in ER for 8 hours after positive Ebola test
By Greg Botelho, Laura Smith-Spark and Laura Perez Maestro, CNN
updated 9:53 PM EDT, Wed October 8, 2014
Source: CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
A nurse's assistant got infected while caring for an Ebola patient in Madrid
Spokeswoman: This woman sought treatment twice, got sent home both times
She was admitted to hospital a third time; waited hours for transfer, worker says
5 are with her in a hospital; dozens of others are being monitored for Ebola
Madrid (CNN) -- Teresa Romero Ramos sought out help three times.
Finally, one week after first seeing a doctor, Romero found out why she felt so sick: She had Ebola.
Even after her Ebola test came back positive at Madrid's Alcorcon hospital, Romero had to wait.
According to a worker at that hospital, Romero lay in the emergency room -- exposed to other patients as well as medical staff, going back and forth -- for eight hours before being transferred to a hospital in the Spanish capital that specializes in infectious diseases.
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While Romero was "doing better" Wednesday, according to a regional health spokesman said Wednesday, parts of Spain's medical establishment is looking worse and worse the more that comes out about what she's gone through from how she contracted Ebola to how her case has been handled.
Her plight can also be compared to that of Thomas Eric Duncan, the Liberian citizen who was sent home from a Dallas, Texas, hospital days before eventually being admitted for Ebola. Duncan, the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, died on Wednesday.
Speaking about what's unfolding in Madrid, Health Minister Ana Mato told Parliament that Spain is going to revise its protocols for handling Ebola.
Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy also said that his country is "facing a matter that is of international concern." But that doesn't mean Spaniards should hunker down or become overly alarmed, urging them to "keep calm."
"I would like to ask you to allow the health workers to work," he said. "The Spanish health system is one of the best in the world."
1st person to contract Ebola outside Africa
The Ebola virus has been voracious, infecting more than 8,000 people and killing at least 3,800, according to the World Health Organization. It's also been largely confined, with every person catching the disease in West Africa.
Deadliest Ebola outbreak: What you need to know
Until Romero.
She is the first person to contract the deadly virus outside Africa. Dr. German Ramirez, who is among those treating her, said the nurse's assistant at Madrid's Carlos III hospital may have been exposed while removing protective gear she'd donned to treat a Spanish missionary infected with Ebola in West Africa.
"That's what we were working on -- on the errors possibly made while removing the protective suit," Ramirez told reporters, saying it's possible the protective suit or gloves may have touched her face.
Angry doctors and nurses outside Carlos III Hospital said Tuesday they were outraged that two missionaries -- Miguel Pajares and Manuel Garcia Viejo, were almost dead when they arrived -- had been brought to the hospital. Both priests ended up dying at the Madrid hospital.
How did Spanish nurse catch Ebola?
That Romero may have gotten Ebola while doing her job is a major cause of concern, especially if she did -- as she told Spanish newspaper El Mundo -- follow the necessary protocols while caring for the missionary.
So, too, is how her treatment was handled afterward.
Jeh Johnson: Ebola outbreak 'manageable'
New Ebola screening protocols in the U.S
Photos: Ebola outbreak in West Africa Photos: Ebola outbreak in West Africa
According to a Carlos III hospital spokeswoman, who isn't named as is customary in Spain, Romero started feeling ill on September 29. She went the next day to her doctor, who did not properly identify her problem and sent her home.
But Romero didn't get better. She called Carlos III hospital on October 2 and was directed, per protocol, to an external medical department under the umbrella of Madrid's regional health service, the hospital spokesman.
Romero ended back home again. On Monday, she ended up calling an ambulance, which took her to Alcorcon hospital.
It was there, on Tuesday, that Romero got tested for Ebola. The positive result came back two hours later, according to an Alcorcon doctor.
Yet it wasn't until eight hours later, a worker at the same hospital said, when she was transported to the hospital where she worked, Carlos III.
Dog of nursing assistant put down
As she battles the deadly virus, Romero has company.
Five others related to her case were also at Carlos III hospital as of late Wednesday, including two doctors and a male nurse admitted earlier in the day, Carlos III hospital said in a press release.
The nurse's assistant is the only one confirmed to have Ebola. Besides the three new cases, the others include the woman's husband, judged to be at high risk of infection, and a nurse from the same hospital. Two others were released from Carlos III hospital earlier in the today -- a Spanish man who'd recently come from Nigeria and a female nurse.
Others are being tracked from afar.
Authorities said Tuesday that a total of 30 people from Carlos III Hospital and 22 others -- from the Alcorcon hospital where the woman first sought care, plus family members -- are being monitored.
Already, there's one victim in this case: Romero and her husband's dog, Excalibur.
It's not known if Ebola can be passed through canines. The WHO has said, though, that it's infected chimpanzees, gorillas, fruit bats, monkeys, forest antelope and porcupines. Yet human infections, to date, have not been linked to dogs.
Nonetheless, health authorities felt they had to take action in case Excalibur had the disease.
About 400,000 people signed an online petition to save the dog from being killed, contending that that "it would be much easier to isolate or quarantine the dog just as they have the victim's husband," rather than forcing the couple to lose "one of the family."
But this push was for naught, as Madrid health authorities put down the dog Wednesday.
'Save Excalibur' campaign fails
CNN's Greg Botelho reported and wrote from Atlanta, Laura Smith-Spark from London and Laura Perez Maestro from Madrid. CNN's Isa Soares, Al Goodman, Elwyn Lopez, Lindsay Isaac, Erin McLaughlin, Alex Felton and Pierre Meilhan contributed to this report, as did journalist Nuri Saani in Liberia.
medic38572
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maybe incinerators!
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
NOBODY TOLD HER SHE HAD TESTED POSITIVE FOR EBOLA!!
The medical people holding her in isolation, acted OUTRAGEOUSLY, never informing her of her actual condition!!
They told THE WORLD, STRANGERS, but they NEVER came in to personally verify her condition WITH HER!
The medical people holding her in isolation, acted OUTRAGEOUSLY, never informing her of her actual condition!!
They told THE WORLD, STRANGERS, but they NEVER came in to personally verify her condition WITH HER!
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mzkitty
I give up.
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Hospital official on status of Spanish nurse with Ebola: 'Her clinical situation has deteriorated but I can't give any more information due to the express wishes of the patient' - @Reuters
Health of Spanish nurse with Ebola worsens
Source: Reuters - Thu, 9 Oct 2014 11:54 GMT
MADRID, Oct 9 (Reuters) - The health of the 44-year-old Spanish nurse with Ebola has worsened, a hospital official said on Thursday, without giving further details.
"Her clinical situation has deteriorated but I can't give any more information due to the express wishes of the patient," said Yolanda Fuentes, an official at the Carlos III hospital where six people including the nurse, Teresa Romero, are in isolation
http://www.trust.org/item/20141009115439-mqds5
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ns-as-seven-people-are-quarantined/ar-BB8izCU
The condition of Teresa Romero Ramos – the Spanish nurse who on Monday became the first known person to contract Ebola outside west Africa – has worsened, according to relatives.
On Thursday afternoon, her brother José Ramón Romero told reporters at the Carlos III hospital that her state had deteriorated and she was now intubated. In a television interview with La Sexta he added that she was having lung problems.
Health authorities on Thursday said another person had been admitted to the Carlos III hospital. Seven people are now in quarantine and 84 under observation, including health workers that treated Romero Ramos and two employees at a hair salon where the nurse went for an appointment last week.
On Wednesday the nurse had given several phone interviews to Spanish media outlets, sounding exhausted as she gave answers that ranged from monosyllabic to an 12-minute conversation. Her husband, who has not shown any symptoms, remains in isolation as a precautionary measure.
Two doctors were admitted to the Carlos III hospital, a specialised hub for attending to potential Ebola patients in Madrid, on Wednesday evening. Both had treated the Spanish nurse when she arrived at the hospital in Alcorcón on Monday with a fever and fatigue.
In a letter to his superiors published by several media outlets, one of the doctors described the 16 hours he spent on Monday treating the nurse. For much of that time, Juan Manuel Parra Ramírez and the nurses treating Romero Ramos wore an impermeable gown, double gloves, a hat and a mask to protect themselves.
The letter followed earlier complaints from health workers that they had been given insufficient training to deal with a potential outbreak.
As the nurse’s state worsened, the health workers changed into more protective clothing. The patient was suffering from diarrhoea, vomiting and coughing, said Parra Ramírez, complaining that his protective equipment was ill-fitting. “The sleeves were too short,” he wrote.
Despite being on the frontline of treating the nurse, he was not updated when her test results proved positive, he said. “I learned of the results from journalists rather than the relevant authority.”
On Wednesday, a nurse who was part of the same team as Romero Ramos and treated the two Ebola patients repatriated to Spain, was also admitted to the Carlos III hospital.
She was placed in quarantine as three others were released from the hospital. Two of the nurses from the same team as Romero Ramos and an engineer who had travelled from Nigeria to Spain all tested negative for Ebola.
The condition of Teresa Romero Ramos – the Spanish nurse who on Monday became the first known person to contract Ebola outside west Africa – has worsened, according to relatives.
On Thursday afternoon, her brother José Ramón Romero told reporters at the Carlos III hospital that her state had deteriorated and she was now intubated. In a television interview with La Sexta he added that she was having lung problems.
Health authorities on Thursday said another person had been admitted to the Carlos III hospital. Seven people are now in quarantine and 84 under observation, including health workers that treated Romero Ramos and two employees at a hair salon where the nurse went for an appointment last week.
On Wednesday the nurse had given several phone interviews to Spanish media outlets, sounding exhausted as she gave answers that ranged from monosyllabic to an 12-minute conversation. Her husband, who has not shown any symptoms, remains in isolation as a precautionary measure.
Two doctors were admitted to the Carlos III hospital, a specialised hub for attending to potential Ebola patients in Madrid, on Wednesday evening. Both had treated the Spanish nurse when she arrived at the hospital in Alcorcón on Monday with a fever and fatigue.
In a letter to his superiors published by several media outlets, one of the doctors described the 16 hours he spent on Monday treating the nurse. For much of that time, Juan Manuel Parra Ramírez and the nurses treating Romero Ramos wore an impermeable gown, double gloves, a hat and a mask to protect themselves.
The letter followed earlier complaints from health workers that they had been given insufficient training to deal with a potential outbreak.
As the nurse’s state worsened, the health workers changed into more protective clothing. The patient was suffering from diarrhoea, vomiting and coughing, said Parra Ramírez, complaining that his protective equipment was ill-fitting. “The sleeves were too short,” he wrote.
Despite being on the frontline of treating the nurse, he was not updated when her test results proved positive, he said. “I learned of the results from journalists rather than the relevant authority.”
On Wednesday, a nurse who was part of the same team as Romero Ramos and treated the two Ebola patients repatriated to Spain, was also admitted to the Carlos III hospital.
She was placed in quarantine as three others were released from the hospital. Two of the nurses from the same team as Romero Ramos and an engineer who had travelled from Nigeria to Spain all tested negative for Ebola.
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What a horror for the nurse to learn she had Ebola from her tablet. This puts into great question the authoritative mumblings that it was discovered she had likely touched her face while removing a mask.
If nobody had talked to her about the Ebola, they hadn't been querying her about her masks, etc.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/article...her-own-ebola-diagnosis-from-the-media.538944
Thursday, October 9, 2014, 06:54
Spanish nurse learned of her own Ebola diagnosis from the media
Spanish Ebola patient Teresa Romero sensed something was wrong when doctors stopped entering her hospital room and says she learned of her diagnosis in a media report.
Theresa Romero was the first person to contract Ebola outside of Africa. She is seen above with her dog, which has been put down for fears it too could spread the disease.
As special teams descended on her Madrid apartment to disinfect her belongings, Romero, in a telephone interview said she was feeling better.
Romero weeks earlier, had been part of the team treating a priest with Ebola. She came down with a fever and a rash soon after and was taken to the hospital.
She knew somethig was wrong when foot traffic into her room decreased dramatically.
"At first, the doctors and nurses were coming into the room every hour but in the afternoon they stopped coming in. Through the door, I could hear them talking , so I asked the doctor about my results and he refused to tell me clearly."
Romero says she learned of her diagnosis the same way most people did --- through the media.
"I then took out my phone and El Pais was saying that I had tested positive for Ebola. Nobody told me. They didn't say to my face -- hey Teresa, you have Ebola."
While some have speculated that Romero may have contracted Ebola after touching her with contaminated gloves, Spanish officials say they've launched an official investigation.
Yet another instance where the media/spokespersons are saying something, saying anything, to quell public curiosity and concern.
If nobody had talked to her about the Ebola, they hadn't been querying her about her masks, etc.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/article...her-own-ebola-diagnosis-from-the-media.538944
Thursday, October 9, 2014, 06:54
Spanish nurse learned of her own Ebola diagnosis from the media
Spanish Ebola patient Teresa Romero sensed something was wrong when doctors stopped entering her hospital room and says she learned of her diagnosis in a media report.
Theresa Romero was the first person to contract Ebola outside of Africa. She is seen above with her dog, which has been put down for fears it too could spread the disease.
As special teams descended on her Madrid apartment to disinfect her belongings, Romero, in a telephone interview said she was feeling better.
Romero weeks earlier, had been part of the team treating a priest with Ebola. She came down with a fever and a rash soon after and was taken to the hospital.
She knew somethig was wrong when foot traffic into her room decreased dramatically.
"At first, the doctors and nurses were coming into the room every hour but in the afternoon they stopped coming in. Through the door, I could hear them talking , so I asked the doctor about my results and he refused to tell me clearly."
Romero says she learned of her diagnosis the same way most people did --- through the media.
"I then took out my phone and El Pais was saying that I had tested positive for Ebola. Nobody told me. They didn't say to my face -- hey Teresa, you have Ebola."
While some have speculated that Romero may have contracted Ebola after touching her with contaminated gloves, Spanish officials say they've launched an official investigation.
Yet another instance where the media/spokespersons are saying something, saying anything, to quell public curiosity and concern.
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Hopefully, rather than a panic, there will be a slow leakage of this information, first into the informed public and slowly into the rest with assurances and a firm grip on what we can do.
We still have among us many elders who survived the great horrors and uncertainties of WWII. They are a reminder that we are made of stronger stuff than the pathetic paternalizing idiots on podiums would have us believe. They do not believe in us, but we believe in ourselves.