DISASTER Ebola outbreak 'out of control,' says CDC director

[Doomer Doug]

Nigeria equals global pandemic pure and simple. The West has already written off West Africa. They will deny this for PC reasons, but they know it is totally out of control in Liberia especially.

The Western medical systems are superior to the third world cesspools in Liberia for instance. This better training for health care workers, better logistics and better aseptic techniques will also mean Ebola will have a harder time in the West than in Africa. I find it hard to believe Mr. Sawyer would have been allowed to run around in a US or European airport. The stories from Nigeria also show that government corruption and incompetence is more of a factor in the spread of Ebola.

Africa is road kill at this point, especially West Africa. Nigeria is trending towards disaster, Kris, we should know for sure by the end of September.

 

[kittyknits]

Anyone else notice? This disease is supposed to be out of control. The probability of being able to contain it are "slipping away" but the official numbers of reported casualties is not changing or not by much. Things that make one go "Hmmmm?". They are still talking about casualty figures of under 2k and have been for some time now.

They are talking about piles of bodies rotting in the streets and they need people to come to help remove them--yet the numbers have not changed much. You are exactly right. Now we KNOW the totals are way more than have been reported.

 

[ittybit]

At a certain point the very thin layer of civil control and institutional function simply vanishes. I believe that is why "numbers" on tally sheets haven't changed much.

"If a corpse falls over dead in the woods, does it make a sound?"

"If there are no governmental authorities to count the bodies, did nobody die?"

 

[Mark D]

At a certain point the very thin layer of civil control and institutional function simply vanishes. I believe that is why "numbers" on tally sheets haven't changed much.

"If a corpse falls over dead in the woods, does it make a sound?"

"If there are no governmental authorities to count the bodies, did nobody die?"

Either the situation isn't nearly as bad as what we're hearing, or, it's absolute viral chaos, and only the history books will be able to give an accurate account.

 

[Countrymouse]

Not sure whether to put this on the bi-weekly Ebola thread or here, but since I"m already here:

From Reuters:

This Ebola Chart Is Terrifying

This Ebola graphic from Reuters makes the pattern of disease, which began spreading slowly in the spring before spinning out of control this summer, frighteningly clear:

 

[ittybit]

Either the situation isn't nearly as bad as what we're hearing, or, it's absolute viral chaos, and only the history books will be able to give an accurate account.

Exactly. My sense is that it is the later case.

 

[Be Well]

Anyone else notice? This disease is supposed to be out of control. The probability of being able to contain it are "slipping away" but the official numbers of reported casualties is not changing or not by much. Things that make one go "Hmmmm?". They are still talking about casualty figures of under 2k and have been for some time now.

The WHO admits the official numbers are not the real total, which, they say, may be 4 times larger. If that's what they admit to, it's probably more than that. Uncounted bodies rotting in the forest or small villages accessible only by rough dirt roads or foot paths, and many dead that have never been tested even in the cities, and thus not officially counted.

The real numbers are no doubt many multiples of the official numbers, and increasing by leaps and bounds.

 

[ittybit]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandso...dly-mutating-as-it-spreads-across-west-africa

snip

For starters, the data show that the virus is rapidly accumulating new mutations as it spreads through people. "We've found over 250 mutations that are changing in real time as we're watching," Sabeti says.

While moving through the human population in West Africa, she says, the virus has been collecting mutations about twice as quickly as it did while circulating among animals in the past decade or so.

"The more time you give a virus to mutate and the more human-to-human transmission you see," she says, "the more opportunities you give it to fall upon some [mutation] that could make it more easily transmissible or more pathogenic."

/snip

 

[Adino]

that's a mutation rate that rivals aids iirc

and it will make a vax nigh unto impossible

 

[SheWoff]

On the numbers: If you go to the main ebola thread, there are numerous stories from those boots on the frontlines. They tell horror stories of new clinics opening up with 60 or so beds only to have 500-600 patients show up within hours and they end up having to turn them away! Bodies lying in the street and in the bush with dogs eating them. How do you count all those? And the simple fact that they don't have enough people to run down contacts, let alone to go around and find/count dead bodies is another reason they aren't going up. I expect all numbers coming out of Africa now are just "estimated" and will remain so.

She

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Nigeria equals global pandemic pure and simple. The West has already written off West Africa. They will deny this for PC reasons, but they know it is totally out of control in Liberia especially.

The Western medical systems are superior to the third world cesspools in Liberia for instance. This better training for health care workers, better logistics and better aseptic techniques will also mean Ebola will have a harder time in the West than in Africa. I find it hard to believe Mr. Sawyer would have been allowed to run around in a US or European airport. The stories from Nigeria also show that government corruption and incompetence is more of a factor in the spread of Ebola.

Africa is road kill at this point, especially West Africa. Nigeria is trending towards disaster, Kris, we should know for sure by the end of September.

Doomer Doug....Sorry to bump an old thread but I found this while looking for something else...note the bold...one month before the Thomas Duncan Affair. Just thought it was timely. And I thought you would get a kick out of "how far we've come."

Here...let me update and fix that for you....as of October 6, 2014:

I find it hard to believe Mr. Duncan was allowed to run around in a US and European airport. The stories from Liberia, Belgium and the USA show that government corruption and incompetence worldwide is more of a factor in the spread of Ebola.

 

[cooter]

hmm, well,

Ebola outbreak 'out of control,' says CDC director

DUH!!

what is it lately with everyone who is a boss type person, it sure seems from the spectator seat that everyone has just lost the freakin minds, everywhere, there isn't a day, that goes by where I work, and everyone has a story of stupid management story for the day,
get on here, there isn't an hr that goes by that someone in charge of what ever, does some of the most stupid things, that are obvious to the most dense worker, latest example the judge in texas that exposed his kid to the ebola, that story,

seems like the almighty has lifted his hand and allowed total confusion to reign right now, and everyone I that I have known for yrs, are saying the same, so its not just me, its an observation from many angles pointing to a central problem, of amazing incompetence or some thing or this is one of those times when the almighty for real, has allowed for confusion to be the game of the day,

 

[JohnGaltfla]

So it's out of control but we're not supposed to worry. One has to just love the lies being spun to keep the sheeple in line.....

 

[Cyclonemom]

You'll know we're totally Fooked when Obama names an Ebola Czar

TOTALLY


http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/219953-gates-powell-floated-as-ebola-czar

GOP floats Gates, Powell for Ebola czar

By Sarah Ferris - 10/06/14 06:51 PM EDT
Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) and Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.) are urging President Obama to tap an Ebola czar to oversee the U.S. effort to stop the global outbreak, and they have a few ideas about who should get the job.

Their suggestions include former Secretary of State Colin Powell, former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and former Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt. All had been members of the Bush administration. Gates also served in the Obama administration as Secretary of Defense.

“By drawing on their expertise and international relationships, these respected statesmen could bolster your Administration’s efforts and help lead a united, global response to this serious threat to public health and security,” Moran and Wolf said.
The Republican lawmakers told Obama in a letter Monday that designating a single point-person was necessary to coordinate the tangle of federal agencies fighting against Ebola.

They also requested more details about Obama’s national strategy to combat Ebola, raising concerns about the lack of “clear organizational structure and chain of command.”

The U.S. has taken the lead in fighting the outbreak internationally. Cabinet members across the administration have been mobilized to fight the outbreak from the fields of health, military, homeland security and international aid.

The cross-government response has drawn criticism from lawmakers, particularly those involved in funding what is expected to be a $1 billion effort.

Moran, ranking member of the Senate Appropriations subcommittee on health, said last week that the lack of a central U.S. authority on Ebola has hindered lawmakers' ability to confront the crisis’s major funding challenges.

“There is no person to go to, to tell us how all this is going to be funded,” Moran said. “And I don’t think there is a plan internationally to bring the folks together to combat this.”

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Monday that the U.S. already has a point person on Ebola efforts – Lisa Monaco, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism

 

[greysage]

"what is it lately with everyone who is a boss type person, it sure seems from the spectator seat that everyone has just lost the freakin minds, everywhere, there isn't a day, that goes by where I work, and everyone has a story of stupid management story for the day."


I've been thinking this recently and have trouble with the fact that it's accepted as normal now by most.

 

[Vtshooter]

TOTALLY


http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/219953-gates-powell-floated-as-ebola-czar

GOP floats Gates, Powell for Ebola czar

You've got to be f***ing kidding me! An ebola czar? How about a Common Sense Czar? Oh, wait, they probably don't have any qualified candidates for that position. Close the borders, isolate the sick and exposed, stop freaking lying about what's happening. Stop creating fictitious positions that don't mean a damn thing. Holy shit, I need to go wrap my head in duct tape before it explodes from over exposure to stupidity. I wish George Carlin was still around to chime in on this one.