…… Dry goods Question

amazon

Veteran Member
I'm going through my working 1 to 2 year storage dry goods in buckets. They were stored around 60 to 65 degrees in food grade buckets, no O2. I stored more than we went through. So I have numerous buckets of ap flour, Oats, dried beans. Poor planning on my part. I didn't realize flour went bad. Again, my fault. Would you get rid of any of it? No bugs, never wet, but about 5 or 6 years old. About 20 buckets of dried goods, not including sugar. I guess if beans can be ground and cooked. The flour I'm most concerned about. If it's bad I want to dump it and replace it. I know some is too old. I made some biscuits a while back and they tasted off. So, 6 year old dry goods in air tight buckets, temp controlled, no O2 absorbers, 6 years old (some may be 8 yo), what would you do?

Also, I have quite a few cans of tomatoes that expire this fall. Would you make and can spaghetti sause or something, or let go awhile longer?

Thanks for input. Trying to get an inventory and replace what may be too old.
 

school marm

Veteran Member
The following is from a blog post I wrote last year. In addition to these ideas, one reader commented that flour worked well on grasshoppers and beetles in the garden. I've never had trouble with either, so I can't comment on that.

What to Do with Flour Gone Bad

I wouldn't say that having some flour go bad is bound to happen, but I think the possibility is there, whether it's due to bugs or developing an off taste. Of course, there's nothing wrong with eating weevils, but most of us have a certain aversion to it. In years past our grandmothers simply sifted them out.

However, if you're thinking the flour may have an off taste or gone a bit rancid, but you can't quite tell by sniffing, taste test a little bit on your tongue. If it's bad, you'll know. If it's just starting to go bad, you might know. A couple of years back, I came across a bucket of eight-year-old flour that got "lost" in storage. Five of us could not detect anything wrong with it no matter what I made with it. But the Queen of the Picky Eaters knew every single time. (We got a fresh bag from the store just to test her. Maybe she really does have more sensitive taste buds.)

If your flour has a metallic odor to it from being stored in metal cans, try airing it out for a day or two. Just pour it into a large bowl and leave it in the kitchen. Give one or two stirs with a spoon when you walk by. In many cases that will alleviate the odor.

But if none of the above fix your problem, all is not necessarily lost. There are still some uses for flour gone bad. All of these recipes come from a book I wrote many years ago, in another life.

Dog Biscuits
Although it's best to use whole wheat flour, in a long-term disaster we may not have a lot of options. These treats actually smell really good.

2 1/2 cups flour
1 egg
6 tablespoons bacon grease
1/2 cup dry milk
1 teaspoon brown sugar
1/2 teaspoon garlic powder
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 cup cold water

In a large bowl, knead together all the ingredients, then roll the dough out 1/4-inch thick. Model bone-shaped treats, use cookie cutters, or simply cut into squares with a a knife. Place the treats on an ungreased cookie sheet and bake at 350 degrees for 30 minutes.


Bread Dough
Crafting with bread dough, also known as salt dough, was a thing back in the early 1970s. As I recall, there were a lot of Christmas ornaments and a few bread dough bread baskets. Unfortunately, this dough requires a lot of salt, but if you've got an excess of salt and time to kill and bad flour, well, bread dough might work for you.

1/4 cup salt
1/2 cup boiling water
1 cup flour
1/4 teaspoon vegetable oil
food coloring (optional)

Add the salt to the boiling water in a medium bowl. Then add the remaining ingredients stir really well. When cooled down to a comfortable temperature, knead the dough to the desired consistency. Add the food coloring, if desired. Keep the dough wrapped in plastic when not in use. When modeling objects, keep a bowl of water nearby to moisten the dough and to smooth and attach parts. Bake at 300 degrees for 45 to 60 minutes.


Play Dough
This would probably be my favorite use for flour gone bad, assuming I were to be blessed with grandchildren. This play dough is just like store-bought, nice and smooth. It even smells like it. The best color comes from using professional cake decorating food coloring. (Maybe I should get a small, brand new set of it for TEOTWAWKI and grandchildren. Just to be prepared.)

1 cup boiling water
1/2 cup salt
1 cup flour
1 tablespoon alum (optional, acts as a preservative)
1 tablespoon vegetable oil

Remove boiling water from the stove and add the salt. In a medium bowl, mix the next three ingredients together, then add the salted water. When the dough is cool enough to handle comfortably, knead it until smooth, adding more flour if necessary. Divide the dough and knead in food coloring. This play dough lasts for months in airtight containers. If it dries out, add warm water a few drops at a time and knead the dough until it is pliable. To save your creations, simply allow them to air dry for a few days.


Paste
Most younger children have probably never used paste for sticking papers together, but in the past it was what all the little kids had to use before they graduated up to glue bottles. (Yes, kids, this was in the days before glue sticks.) Anyway, for you older folks, this paste smells just like the stuff we used as little kids. It will work great for wallpapering the bathroom with worthless FRNs.

2 tablespoons flour
2 tablespoons sugar
2 tablespoons water
1/2 teaspoon alum (optional--acts as a preservative)
3/4 cup water

Mix the flour, sugar, 2 tablespoons water, and alum, if desired, in a small bowl until completely smooth. Bring the 3/4 cup water to a boil in a small saucepan, and add the contents of the bowl. Reduce the heat to medium and cook for 10-15 minutes, stirring frequently. Cool the paste and place it in an airtight container. This paste will last a few weeks if kept cool (ideally, in the refrigerator, but, I know... that may not be an option).

Links to related posts:
Flour
Peanut Butter Play Dough

For further information:
Jennifer Rader, The Rainy Day Activity Book, 1996.
 

Parakeet

Senior Member
My general rule for dealing with use by dates is that if it looks ok, smells ok and tastes ok I'll keep it.

I'd probably, cook up some of the dry goods to see how the final product comes out.
 

school marm

Veteran Member
Assuming you need the buckets for new flour and so you can't hang onto the old stuff, if the flour has gone bad and you can't use it in any other way, I'd mix it in the compost pile. If you don't have to toss it, save it for people who will be begging for food. They may not detect the off taste, and even if they do, beggars can't be choosers. Sad, but true.

When you purchase new flour, be sure to use Mylar bags and oxygen absorbers if you won't be using the flour within 2 years, especially if you live in a humid area. The oats also don't have as long a shelf life as other items. If they are still good, I'd bag them in Mylar and use an oxygen absorber.

THe dried beans should be fine as long as you can pressure cook/can them. And true, they can always be ground into flour.

Sugar will also be just fine, as long as it has been stored away from items that give off odors. Sugar is very good at taking on bad odors, unfortunately.

THe tomatoes could be turned into spaghetti sauce or dehydrated. Of course, it's usually not an issue of the tomatoes going bad, but rather the tomato acid eating through the can. Tomatoes canned in glass last much longer than those in metal cans.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I'm going through my working 1 to 2 year storage dry goods in buckets. They were stored around 60 to 65 degrees in food grade buckets, no O2. I stored more than we went through. So I have numerous buckets of ap flour, Oats, dried beans. Poor planning on my part. I didn't realize flour went bad. Again, my fault. Would you get rid of any of it? No bugs, never wet, but about 5 or 6 years old. About 20 buckets of dried goods, not including sugar. I guess if beans can be ground and cooked. The flour I'm most concerned about. If it's bad I want to dump it and replace it. I know some is too old. I made some biscuits a while back and they tasted off. So, 6 year old dry goods in air tight buckets, temp controlled, no O2 absorbers, 6 years old (some may be 8 yo), what would you do?

Also, I have quite a few cans of tomatoes that expire this fall. Would you make and can spaghetti sause or something, or let go awhile longer?

Thanks for input. Trying to get an inventory and replace what may be too old.
The dry beans are fine, although may require longer cooking. Everything else needs to be tested, as mentioned above. Rancid foods are NOT good for you. I avoid even feeding it to dogs, as they live long enough to potentially develop health issues from it. Chickens don't, so I feed it to them, or feeder pigs.

If anything is still good , I'd definitely repack it in mylar with O2 absorbers if you won't be able to use it within a few months.

As far as the tomato sauce, thats what I do with commercial canned sauce when it's starting to get close to date... turn it into chili can Carne or tomato soup or spaghetti sauce, and re-can it. It stores much longer in glass than tin.

Summerthyme
 
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amazon

Veteran Member
Thanks Summer! How can I tell if the four is bad without cooking something? Just assume it's bed due to age? Are oats ok?
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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School marm covered it in her post... sniff a FRESH sample, then some of your stored flour. Rancidity is generally pretty obvious for most, although I think some people can't smell it. If it smells fine, or you aren't sure, taste a tiny bit with the tip of your tongue. If it tingles or tastes "off" in any way, toss it.

Ditto the oats... if you really can't tell, cook a tiny batch of oatmeal and smell and taste.

I had rolled oats in a galvanized garbage can in our cool basement.. they were in a large mylar bag but not sealed in it... no O2 absorbers. They stayed fine for at least 7 years. "Quick oats" won't store as long...

Summerthyme
 

Toosh

Veteran Member
Just so that you know, the US military keeps and uses canned food 7 years past it's best by date. I figure if it's good enough for our boys it's good enough for me. Having said that, canned food will lose some of it's nutritional value over time and that's why I rotate it to be used with 5 years after best by date.

As for flour, it I don't like the smell I toss it out. There's simply no need to have questionable food around. I freeze it for 3 days (to kill any bug eggs) then I vacuum seal it in 5 cup bags before putting it in 5 gallon buckets. It's usually good for a long time. I just used some from 2015 and it was still good. Note: if it's self rising flour you might need to add new baking powder.
 

bluelady

Veteran Member
School marm covered it in her post... sniff a FRESH sample, then some of your stored flour. Rancidity is generally pretty obvious for most, although I think some people can't smell it. If it smells fine, or you aren't sure, taste a tiny bit with the tip of your tongue. If it tingles or tastes "off" in any way, toss it.

Ditto the oats... if you really can't tell, cook a tiny batch of oatmeal and smell and taste.

I had rolled oats in a galvanized garbage can in our cool basement.. they were in a large mylar bag but not sealed in it... no O2 absorbers. They stayed fine for at least 7 years. "Quick oats" won't store as long...

Summerthyme

Here are some ideas for old oatmeal:

(see the actual article for clickable links to more info about each item.)
Gardening Know How - StackPath
Oatmeal Uses In Gardens: Tips On Using Oatmeal For Plants
Oatmeal is a nutritious, fiber-rich grain that tastes great and “sticks to your ribs” on cold winter mornings. Although opinions are mixed and there is no scientific evidence, some gardeners believe that using oatmeal in the garden provides a number of benefits. Want to try using oatmeal in the garden? Read on for info and tips.
Oatmeal Uses in Gardens
Below are the most common uses of oatmeal in gardens.
Oatmeal pest control
Oatmeal is nontoxic and slugs [1] and snails [2] love it – until it kills them by swelling up inside their slimy little bellies. To use oatmeal as pest control, just sprinkle a little dry oatmeal around your plants. Use oatmeal sparingly, as too much can swell and become gooey and packed around stems if the soil is moist. Too much can also attract rodents and insects.
Oatmeal as fertilizer
Opinions are mixed when it comes to using oatmeal as fertilizer. However, it won’t hurt to experiment by sprinkling a little in your garden, and the plants just may love the iron [3] that oatmeal provides. Some gardeners believe that adding a small amount of oatmeal in planting holes stimulates root growth.
Just a quick tip when using oatmeal for plants: Avoid quick cooking or instant forms of oatmeal, which are pre-cooked and not as beneficial as old-fashioned, slow-cooking or raw oats.
Poison ivy, poison oak and sunburn
If you brush up against poison ivy [4] or poison oak [5] or you forget to wear your sunscreen, oatmeal will soothe the itchy misery. Just place a small amount of oatmeal in the leg of pantyhose, then tie the stocking around the bathtub faucet. Let the warm water run through the packet of oatmeal while you fill the tub, then soak in the tub for 15 minutes. You can also use the wet bag to rub over your skin later.
Removing sticky sap with oatmeal
Rub oatmeal on your skin to remove sticky sap [6] before washing your hands. Oatmeal has a slightly abrasive quality that helps loosen up the goo.



Some of these involve eating so I'd skip those.
10 Alternative Uses for Your Old Oatmeal
Oatmeal may not be the most exciting breakfast option in the world, but in uncooked form the oats can be used to neutralize odors in your refrigerator, relieve your dog's itchy skin, soak up kitchen oil spills and treat your poison ivy or chicken pox itch.
Sick of cooking oatmeal for breakfast? Run your oats through a processor into a fine powder and use to thicken your soups and stews and as a cooking substitute for breadcrumbs.
If you are ever in a creative rut, you can mix oatmeal with all-purpose flour and water to make pliable modeling clay.
Click on image to enlarge.
 

momma_soapmaker

Disgusted
I've never been able to get all purpose flour to last longer than a couple of years, no matter how it's stored. It definitely smells "off". I toss it when it gets to that stage. (I store very little flour because of it. Wheat berries last almost forever.)
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
Why not feed the oatmeal to chickens or pigs? Bake the flour into hard tack and feed the chickens. Turn the old grain into chicken nuggets?

At one time in the distant past I worked in a grist mill and took home the chaff and fed it to the livestock.
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Assuming you need the buckets for new flour and so you can't hang onto the old stuff, if the flour has gone bad and you can't use it in any other way, I'd mix it in the compost pile. If you don't have to toss it, save it for people who will be begging for food. They may not detect the off taste, and even if they do, beggars can't be choosers. Sad, but true.

When you purchase new flour, be sure to use Mylar bags and oxygen absorbers if you won't be using the flour within 2 years, especially if you live in a humid area. The oats also don't have as long a shelf life as other items. If they are still good, I'd bag them in Mylar and use an oxygen absorber.

THe dried beans should be fine as long as you can pressure cook/can them. And true, they can always be ground into flour.

Sugar will also be just fine, as long as it has been stored away from items that give off odors. Sugar is very good at taking on bad odors, unfortunately.

THe tomatoes could be turned into spaghetti sauce or dehydrated. Of course, it's usually not an issue of the tomatoes going bad, but rather the tomato acid eating through the can. Tomatoes canned in glass last much longer than those in metal cans.
This may be this is a stupid question, but could you prolong the useful life of tomato sauce by freezing? I have far more tomato sauce than I can use at the moment…
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I've never been able to get all purpose flour to last longer than a couple of years, no matter how it's stored. It definitely smells "off". I toss it when it gets to that stage. (I store very little flour because of it. Wheat berries last almost forever.)
The only way to keep it from getting funky is heavy mylar and sufficient oxygen absorbers to draw the mylar down firmly. You'll need to sift it after unpacking, to get accurate measurements, but I've used 20 year old flour (kept as an experiment) packed that way (stored in a cool basement) that was indistinguishable from fresh.

Summerthyme
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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This may be this is a stupid question, but could you prolong the useful life of tomato sauce by freezing? I have far more tomato sauce than I can use at the moment…
Honestly, no. Recanning in glass will work, but it will freezer burn before it goes bad in most cans...

Summerthyme
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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If you have old beans and cook them, they can still be less than desirable and don't cook up all that well. Freeze them for a couple weeks. Then cook again, should be much more softer/edible with the 2nd cooking. The freezing explodes the wet cells.
Yes!! I made a huge batch of barbecue baked beans and canned 60 pints. Only to discover some of the beans didn't soften completely! Ouch!

So, I experimented, and put a couple jars in the freezer. I expected the seals to break, but figured I'd just thaw and use as needed. Well, it worked great! Not only did the beans soften beautifully, but the seals stayed intact. I no longer worry about the several hundred pounds of "old" beans I've got stored.

Summerthyme
 

school marm

Veteran Member
This may be this is a stupid question, but could you prolong the useful life of tomato sauce by freezing? I have far more tomato sauce than I can use at the moment…
Like Summerthyme said, I wouldn't freeze it either. And I would agree with re-canning in glass. Do you have a dehydrator? You could just pour the tomato sauce onto the dehydrator sheets (assuming you have those), and make tomato powder. It's really convenient for adding to soups and pasta sauces.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
right now - current situation in the country and the world >>>> do you really need the storage space? - need to recycle the buckets & lids??

I'd just leave them be for the next year if possible - some of these current problems are either going to be improved and resolved >>>> or - that food could be damn valuable as it sits - good or bad .....
 
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