SOFT NEWS Datsuns - Old and New

WhataKlown

Contributing Member
From: LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-nissan-datsun-20120320,0,3651677.story?track=lat-pick


Nissan to bring back Datsun car brand in selected markets

Nissan Motor Co. is bringing back the storied Datsun brand, but American drivers are unlikely to see any new vehicles adorned with the name whose popularity in Southern California served as a springboard to international prominence.

Nissan is positioning Datsun as a lower-cost brand in emerging markets. The new line will go on sale in India, Indonesia and Russia in 2014.

The Datsun brand dates from 1931 as the nameplate of Japan’s DAT Motorcar Co., which was purchased by Nissan in 1933. The car was first known as a Datson, and later changed to Datsun.

The marque grew to a success by featuring well engineered, sporty cars such as the 240Z and Datsun 510 sedan in the United States.

Much of that growth is attributed to Yutaka Katayama, the auto marketing guru who spearheaded Nissan’s launch into the American car market.

Katayama, who is 102, worked in a variety of marketing jobs before being exiled by senior management in 1960 to what looked like a dead-end position in the United States because of his opposition to a company-backed union.

At the time Nissan had sold barely 1,000 vehicles in the United States under the Datsun brand name through independent distributors. Katayama, known as a savvy marketer and enthusiastic gearhead, turned the company into a household name.

The Japanese executive started with an ad budget of just $1,000, one engineer and an office clerk, wrote author David Halberstam, who chronicled Katayama’s story in “The Reckoning,” his 1986 book on the auto industry.

The first Datsun office was in an old Mobil oil building in downtown Los Angeles. Katayama later moved it to Gardena, where there was a large Japanese American population that he believed might be more accepting than other consumers of products from their ancestral country. It turned out that they liked the American cars of the time better.

Katayama was among the first Japanese auto executives to understand that foreign cars had to be customized for the American market. He understood that the initial Datsuns were underpowered and unrefined and nagged the home office for improvements such as bigger engines, better fit and finish and improved brakes.

His badgering paid off in 1968, when the new Datsun 510 models arrived at the Port of Los Angeles. The 510 was a small, durable four-door sedan that performed well and sold for a price -- about $1,800 -- that was within nearly everyone's reach. Automotive buffs compared the car favorably to the BMW 1600, a German-made sedan that sold for about $5,000 at the time. The 510 powered Datsun to a sales boom, especially in import-friendly California.

U.S. growth turned Nissan into an international automotive powerhouse. In 1981, Nissan decided to phase out the Datsun name. The company wanted to sell all its cars under the same name, no matter the market. But that strategy lasted only a few years until Nissan launched its Infiniti luxury division in 1989.

Now it makes sense to establish a third brand to sell in developing markets, said Aaron Bragman, an analyst with IHS Automotive.

“What this does is safeguard the Nissan and Infiniti brands,” Bragman said.

The new Datsuns will be small, inexpensive cars without the power and amenities of Nissan’s other brands. To sell such vehicles under the Nissan name could hurt the reputation of the parent brand, he said.

General Motors Co. has taken the same approach in China to protect its Chevrolet and Buick nameplates by partnering with Liuzhou Wuling Motors Co. to sell vehicles under Baojun brand name that can compete with the small, inexpensive cars sold for the mass market there, Bragman said.

He doesn’t expect American consumers to pine for a new Datsun, except perhaps for a few diehard 240Z fans in Southern California.

“The name has been gone so long it doesn’t carry any huge nostalgia,” he said.
 

nharrold

Deceased
I had a Datsun "Bluebird" when I was in Japan in the '60s. It was quite basic but did the job. However, when a typhoon came along and upped the humidity, it could sometimes be difficult to start; had to close off the air intake with saran wrap until the storm departed.
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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This'll only really matter if they start selling the Z car under the Datsun name again. That's the car everyone remembers anyway. Use Nissan for the ordinary cars, Infiniti for the upscale stuff (including the Skyline/GT-R), and Datsun for the economy stuff and the Z car.
 

bosifus

There can be only one.
Cool, I have a 79 210 sedan that gets 40 mpg on the freeway. Great, simple to work on little economy cars.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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First car was a B-210.

POS.

Short story, got the car and the rear oil seal went out, it would blow smoke like a mosquito fumigater.

Poor, broke white-trash college kid so no money so I'd carry oil and fill it on occaision. Trip down to the coast in S.E. Texas and coming back it throws a rod.

$800 in repairs later and it no longer idles-have to ride the gas and clutch at stop lights and such or instant die. Lots of fun on slopes with someone behind you on your ass at a light.

Get to college one morning-have to park on the other side of an eight-lane highway and walk across a ped bridge and it is rainign cats and dogs. I get to class wet and dripping and realize I left my keys in the car.

Crap.

Leave class, run across the bridge and sure enough-keys locked in the car, car sitting in the rain... Idling.
 

Bud in Fla

Veteran Member
I had a 280ZX while I was divorced and living at the beach...life was rough..... I HOPE they bring back the small, diesel powered pick up truck! I traded one of those in on the 280 - plenty of power for a small truck and 55 mpg - in 1982!
 

orion41

Contributing Member
I had a 69' 510 . My first car. When I sold it a few years later the guys I sold it too were going to put a turbo in it and race it. 180 horses out of a 1600cc engine. WOW!!!
 

Jeff Allen

Producer
I have a 2005 Altima SE with the little motor.

310,000 miles

Issues:
Right transaxle seal went bad at 60ish....leaked transmission fluid on my garage floor
200,000 put on new shocks (rode like brand new again!)
210 ish, crankshaft position sensor
270ish, left front wheel bearing
310, exhaust leak, #3 ignition coil is bad AC is intermittent
...and, the gas door is easy to bend with the gas hose and then it doesn't want to open/close, so, once I bent it back just right I'm super careful to never let the gas hose touch the gas door.

The Bose sound system is just plain unbelievably awesome. This is the most enjoyable car EVER...LOVE THIS CAR....

Been a damn fine car I think, considering fords, chevys and dodges we have owned all either have motors or transmissions out by 150...........we will NEVER AGAIN buy a GM, FORD OR CHRYSLER, EVER!!!

J
 

Delta

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I had two Datsons back in the 70s. One a sedan, and one a pickup. I thought both were junk and will never buy a Nissan product because of that experience. I'll probably buy a Ford next--simply because I've yet to own one so can't cross it off my list.
 
Had a mid 70's Datsun 610 with serious alignment issues - & Datsun/Nissan refused to fix.

Ultimately had a fix (adjustable alignment mod) done by a welding shop.
Before the fix tires would wear out in 5-7k miles.

Liked the car, hated the alignment problem and especially the attitude ("it's not our problem") of the company.
IIRC, the head gasket blew out after very few years - for no apparent reason. Dumped the sucker and never looked back.

Had a Datsun P/U - never a problem and absolutely loved it. Went for many years and miles.


Probably wouldn't ever seriously consider buying another Datsun/Nissan as a result.
 

Ben Sunday

Deceased
How about a truly inexpensive econo box car? A little consideration for folks at or near the bottom would be helpful.

I had a 1978 Datsun B-210 hatchback. Biggest POS I have ever owned. Blew three headgaskets and was in the junk yard at 46,000 miles.

The A/C was good and it was reasonably comfortable. No power and the deck in the back was vinyl covered cardboard. Really cheap and flimsy.
 

Jeff Allen

Producer
has anyone had bad experiences with kia or hyundai?

out here in "redneck land" most folks won't even own a honda/toyota/nissan and are literally bankrupted with repairs on chevy/ford/chrysler.

but, the upside is local mechanics are geniuses with chevy/ford/chrys but it is hard to get competent work done on hon/toy/nis

J
 

Tweakette

Irrelevant
I had a late 70s (can't remember year, either 77, 78, or 79) 210 station wagon as my first car, bought it in about 84. It was white with fake vinyl wood-grained sides and I named it Edna, after my grandmother, because just like Grandma it almost always ran but never ran well.

I bought it used and drove it for 3 years and by the time I got rid of it with about 100K miles on it it burned a quart of oil every 150 miles. And it RUSTED like you wouldn't believe. Steering was loose, differential started to come apart, etc.

I wouldn't buy another one.
 

antlers

Senior Member
I had a new 1978 Datsun truck -- I liked it but it started to rust out after 2 years. I hope they do better this time.
 

Rucus Sunday

Veteran Member
Two best cars I've had were both Toyota Corolla (E80) hatchbacks, made in early 80's. Drove each to over 250k until they finally weren't worth fixing. Sold the second one just a couple years ago.
 
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