REL GENRL Catholic Priests Speak Out: Faithful Priests ‘Blackmailed,’ ‘Bullied’

[Jonas Parker]

https://www.breitbart.com/big-gover...eak-out-faithful-priests-blackmailed-bullied/

Catholic Priests Speak Out: Faithful Priests ‘Blackmailed,’ ‘Bullied’
18 Aug 2018


More Catholic priests and leaders are confirming the existence of an activist homosexual culture in seminaries and among the Church’s hierarchy – one, they say, that is at the root of the lies and cover-up of the sexual abuse scandal, recently addressed by a Pennsylvania grand jury.

The priests are speaking out following the release of a grand jury report that details hundreds of examples of alleged sex abuse – mostly of male victims – and the ensuing cover-ups by Catholic bishops.

The report itself is released in the wake of the removal from ministry of former archbishop of Washington, DC, Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, following allegations that he sexually abused boys and engaged in sexual misconduct with seminarians.

“I believe that there needs to be an open recognition that we have a very grave problem of a homosexual culture in the Church,” Cardinal Raymond Burke, the former head of the Church’s version of the Supreme Court, said in an interview Thursday, “especially among the clergy and the hierarchy, that needs to be addressed honestly and efficaciously.”

Priests are describing a perverse, secretive, and intimidating culture of powerful activist homosexuals within the Church.

“Many people still don’t (I believe most priests still don’t) understand just how evil the active homosexual or homosexual activist (AH/HA from here on out) priests and bishops are,” writes Father Edwin Palka, pastor of Epiphany of Our Lord Catholic Church in Tampa, Florida, in his weekly bulletin.

He adds:

Not understanding the extent of their depravity and wrongly thinking that they are simply “normal” men who just struggle with their sexual desires and sometimes might fail to remain chaste but are really, truly repentant when it happens and strive to “confess my sins, do penance and amend my life, amen”, they cannot possibly grasp the hellish depths to which the AH/HA [active homosexual/homosexual activist] clergy will go to persecute, lambaste, punish, humiliate and blackmail anyone who stands in their way or threatens their way of life.

Palka explains that priests who complain about homosexual advances to a homosexual activist bishop or who aspire to teach the Church’s doctrine on marriage and chastity “will get the worst assignment the bishop can conjure up.”

He writes:

A young priest who insists on preaching Catholic faith and morals will almost assuredly be sent to an AH/HA pastor to “straighten him out” (a very bad use of words). His AH/HA pastor will berate him both privately and publicly and tear him apart behind his back at every moment with slander, calumny, innuendo, and lies. The young priest will be intimidated and bullied as few have ever witnessed or imagined. The AH/HA pastor has filled his staff with AH/HA lay people and deacons and the young priest has nobody to whom to turn. There is nobody to reassure him that he is not the “bad guy” with the exception of a handful of good, faithful Catholic parishioners whom the pastor and staff have not yet been able to run off.

Father John Zuhlsdorf cautions against the emotional reaction of dismissing the Church and all its priests and bishops, when the root cause of the sexual abuse scandal can be identified.

“[L]et’s be clear,” he writes. “This scandal is about HOMOSEXUALITY.”

Zuhlsdorf continues about a corporate-like cronyism among the activist homosexual hierarchy:

I do not buy the claims that a high number of priests are homosexual. But I do indeed buy that that percentage is higher among those who have power. The Boys Club perpetuated itself by grooming with preferential treatment of certain likely fellows. They made sure that they went to Rome, which could help a future career, or they got the chance at higher studies, the key role in the chancery, the roles that would be good on the CV …

Monsignor Charles Pope also writes at National Catholic Register that, despite the horror of the allegations in the Pennsylvania grand jury report, “the majority of priests and bishops have been faithful and are zealous and generous servants.”

Pope notes the 2004 John Jay Report (The Nature and Scope of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States 1950-2002) found that 81 percent of sexual abuse victims were male and 78 percent were post-pubescent.

“This is not pedophilia,” Pope asserts. “It is homosexual attraction. Regarding the sexual abuse and harassment of seminarians or priests by bishops or other clergy, obviously 100 percent of those victims were male. In summary, the large majority of the cases involve sexual misbehavior by priests with same-sex attraction.”

In a report at Catholic News Agency (CNA) that details new allegations concerning McCarrick – who once served as archbishop of Newark, New Jersey – and other priests in the Newark archdiocese, Father Desmond Rossi says he was a seminarian in Newark in 1988 when two deacons on the path to the priesthood sexually abused him.

CNA reports:

According to Father Rossi, he told archdiocesan authorities about the assault and went before a review board. He said that his story was “found credible, but nothing happened.” Instead, he claims the archdiocese turned against him for bringing the allegation forward.

“They tried to turn it on me,” Father Rossi said.

Father Rossi eventually left the archdiocese and now serves as a priest in the Diocese of Albany. In 2004, the Archdiocese of Newark agreed to an out-of-court settlement of approximately $35,000 with Father Rossi in response to his accusations. At least one of the alleged abusers is still in active ministry in the Archdiocese of Newark, Father Rossi said.

CNA states that while Cardinal Joseph Tobin, the current archbishop of Newark, declined to confirm the name of the accused priest, several priests who spoke to CNA, under condition of anonymity due to concerns about repercussions from Church hierarchy, identified him as Father James Weiner, a man known for his active homosexual lifestyle from the time he was a seminarian.

The priests told CNA Weiner is known for hosting cocktail parties in his rectory that are attended by other homosexual priests.

According to the report:

One recalled that he attended a cocktail party, thinking he had been invited to a simple priests’ dinner. “I was led into the room to a chorus of wolf-whistles,” he said. “It was clear right away I was ‘on display.’”

Another priest told CNA that he was also invited to a party hosted by the priest. “They were all carrying big mixed drinks, pink ones, it was like something out of Sex in the City.”

He recalled that after asking for a beer, he was told by his host, “You need to try something more girly tonight.”

All recounted overtly sexual conversation at the cocktail parties. “I was fresh meat and they were trying me out,” one priest said.

All three said they left quickly upon realizing what was going on. “Everyone was getting loaded and getting closer on the couches, I wanted out of there,” a priest told CNA.

“Everyone kept calling me a ‘looker’ and saying they had to ‘keep me around’ from now on,” a third Newark priest told CNA.

One priest told CNA that McCarrick would often place his hand on the thighs of seminarians while seated near them.

“It was really unnerving. On the one hand you knew — knew — what was going on but you couldn’t believe it,” he reportedly said.

Another priest said McCarrick would invite the young men to a house at the shore or to stay overnight at the cathedral rectory in Newark.

“Priests would tell me ‘he’s sleeping with them’ all the time, but I couldn’t believe it — they seemed like perfectly normal guys,” the priest told CNA.

Pope observes the media is pressing to downplay the ties of the sex abuse scandal to activist homosexuals.

“[A]ny conversation that seeks to find real traction or solutions is going to have to include the connection to homosexuality — not as a single cause, but as an essential and highly important one,” he asserts. “And honest discussion must also include analyses of institutional problems such as secrecy, unaccountability, abuse of power, and so on.”

Pope warns that acquiescence to the media’s push for political correctness will only exacerbate the problem for the Church and its people.

“t is time for a truthful conversation free from political correctness and forbidden topics,” he states. “If our bishops are not willing to engage a full and honest airing of all the causes, the anger of God’s people will only increase, and the credibility of the bishops and the Church will sink from near zero to absolute zero.”

In his response to the Pennsylvania grand jury report, Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, also challenges the assertion the alleged abusive priests were all “pedophiles.”

“This is the greatest lie of them all, repeated non-stop by the media, and late-night talk TV hosts,” he writes. “There have been two scandals related to the sexual abuse of minors in the Catholic Church. Scandal I involves the enabling bishops who covered it up. Scandal II involves the media cover-up of the role played by gay molesters.”

Donohue succinctly delivers his warning to the Church.

“Let me repeat what I have often said,” he asserts. “Most gay priests are not molesters, but most of the molesters have been gay. Not to admit this—and this includes many bishops who are still living in a state of denial about it— means the problem will continue.”

 

[billet]

Well knock me over with a feather! Who'da thunk!

 

[minkykat]

God bless and protect those who are trying to get the truth out! They need us, the laity, to stand with them and to begin pushing back!

For the AH's, as you likely don't believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist anyway, go find another church to bother. My old church loves your kind and will support your depravity till the second coming of Christ!

 

[minkykat]

Here is the letter that I wish our Bishop HAD written. Meet Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison, WI. Pray for him because after this missive, his days will surely be numbered.

http://www.madisoncatholicherald.org/bishopsletters/7730-letter-scandal.html

August 18, 2018

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ of the Diocese of Madison,

The past weeks have brought a great deal of scandal, justified anger, and a call for answers and action by many faithful Catholics here in the U.S. and overseas, directed at the Church hierarchy regarding sexual sins by bishops, priests, and even cardinals. Still more anger is rightly directed at those who have been complicit in keeping some of these serious sins from coming to light.

For my part — and I know I am not alone — I am tired of this. I am tired of people being hurt, gravely hurt! I am tired of the obfuscation of truth. I am tired of sin. And, as one who has tried — despite my many imperfections — to lay down my life for Christ and His Church, I am tired of the regular violation of sacred duties by those entrusted with immense responsibility from the Lord for the care of His people.

The stories being brought into light and displayed in gruesome detail with regard to some priests, religious, and now even those in places of highest leadership, are sickening. Hearing even one of these stories is, quite literally, enough to make someone sick. But my own sickness at the stories is quickly put into perspective when I recall the fact that many individuals have lived through them for years. For them, these are not stories, they are indeed realities. To them I turn and say, again, I am sorry for what you have suffered and what you continue to suffer in your mind and in your heart.

If you have not already done so, I beg you to reach out, as hard as that may be, and seek help to begin to heal. Also, if you’ve been hurt by a priest of our diocese, I encourage you to come forward, to make a report to law enforcement and to our Victim’s Assistance Coordinator, so that we might begin, with you as an individual, to try and set things right to the greatest extent possible.

There is nothing about these stories that is okay. These actions, committed by more than a few, can only be classified as evil, evil that cries out for justice and sin that must be cast out from our Church.

Faced with stories of the depravity of sinners within the Church, I have been tempted to despair. And why? The reality of sin — even sin in the Church — is nothing new. We are a Church made of sinners, but we are sinners called to sanctity. So what is new? What is new is the seeming acceptance of sin by some in the Church, and the apparent efforts to cover over sin by them and others. Unless and until we take seriously our call to sanctity, we, as an institution and as individuals, will continue to suffer the “wages of sin.”

For too long we have diminished the reality of sin — we have refused to call a sin a sin — and we have excused sin in the name of a mistaken notion of mercy. In our efforts to be open to the world we have become all too willing to abandon the Way, the Truth, and the Life. In order to avoid causing offense we offer to ourselves and to others niceties and human consolation.

Why do we do this? Is it out of an earnest desire to display a misguided sense of being “pastoral?” Have we covered over the truth out of fear? Are we afraid of being disliked by people in this world? Or are we afraid of being called hypocrites because we are not striving tirelessly for holiness in our own lives?

Perhaps these are the reasons, but perhaps it is more or less complex than this. In the end, the excuses do not matter. We must be done with sin. It must be rooted out and again considered unacceptable. Love sinners? Yes. Accept true repentance? Yes. But do not say sin is okay. And do not pretend that grave violations of office and of trust come without grave, lasting consequences.

For the Church, the crisis we face is not limited to the McCarrick affair, or the Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report, or anything else that may come. The deeper crisis that must be addressed is the license for sin to have a home in individuals at every level of the Church. There is a certain comfort level with sin that has come to pervade our teaching, our preaching, our decision making, and our very way of living.

If you’ll permit me, what the Church needs now is more hatred! As I have said previously, St. Thomas Aquinas said that hatred of wickedness actually belongs to the virtue of charity. As the Book of Proverbs says “My mouth shall meditate truth, and my lips shall hate wickedness (Prov. 8:7).” It is an act of love to hate sin and to call others to turn away from sin.

There must be no room left, no refuge for sin — either within our own lives, or within the lives of our communities. To be a refuge for sinners (which we should be), the Church must be a place where sinners can turn to be reconciled. In this I speak of all sin. But to be clear, in the specific situations at hand, we are talking about deviant sexual — almost exclusively homosexual — acts by clerics. We’re also talking about homosexual propositions and abuses against seminarians and young priests by powerful priests, bishops, and cardinals. We are talking about acts and actions which are not only in violation of the sacred promises made by some, in short, sacrilege, but also are in violation of the natural moral law for all. To call it anything else would be deceitful and would only ignore the problem further.

There has been a great deal of effort to keep separate acts which fall under the category of now-culturally-acceptable acts of homosexuality from the publically-deplorable acts of pedophilia. That is to say, until recently the problems of the Church have been painted purely as problems of pedophilia — this despite clear evidence to the contrary. It is time to be honest that the problems are both and they are more. To fall into the trap of parsing problems according to what society might find acceptable or unacceptable is ignoring the fact that the Church has never held ANY of it to be acceptable — neither the abuse of children, nor any use of one’s sexuality outside of the marital relationship, nor the sin of sodomy, nor the entering of clerics into intimate sexual relationships at all, nor the abuse and coercion by those with authority.

In this last regard, special mention should be made of the most notorious and highest in ranking case, that being the allegations of former-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick’s (oft-rumored, now very public) sexual sins, predation, and abuse of power. The well-documented details of this case are disgraceful and seriously scandalous, as is any covering up of such appalling actions by other Church leaders who knew about it based on solid evidence.

While recent credible accusations of child sexual abuse by Archbishop McCarrick have brought a whole slew of issues to light, long-ignored was the issue of abuse of his power for the sake of homosexual gratification.

It is time to admit that there is a homosexual subculture within the hierarchy of the Catholic Church that is wreaking great devastation in the vineyard of the Lord. The Church’s teaching is clear that the homosexual inclination is not in itself sinful, but it is intrinsically disordered in a way that renders any man stably afflicted by it unfit to be a priest. And the decision to act upon this disordered inclination is a sin so grave that it cries out to heaven for vengeance, especially when it involves preying upon the young or the vulnerable. Such wickedness should be hated with a perfect hatred. Christian charity itself demands that we should hate wickedness just as we love goodness. But while hating the sin, we must never hate the sinner, who is called to conversion, penance, and renewed communion with Christ and His Church, through His inexhaustible mercy.

At the same time, however, the love and mercy which we are called to have even for the worst of sinners does not exclude holding them accountable for their actions through a punishment proportionate to the gravity of their offense. In fact, a just punishment is an important work of love and mercy, because, while it serves primarily as retribution for the offense committed, it also offers the guilty party an opportunity to make expiation for his sin in this life (if he willingly accepts his punishment), thus sparing him worse punishment in the life to come. Motivated, therefore, by love and concern for souls, I stand with those calling for justice to be done upon the guilty.

The sins and crimes of McCarrick, and of far too many others in the Church, bring suspicion and mistrust upon many good and virtuous priests, bishops, and cardinals, and suspicion and mistrust upon many great and respectable seminaries and so many holy and faithful seminarians. The result of the first instance of mistrust harms the Church and the very good work we do in Christ’s name. It causes others to sin in their thoughts, words, and deeds — which is the very definition of scandal. And the second mistrust harms the future of the Church, since our future priests are at stake.

I said that I was tempted to despair in light of all of this. However, that temptation quickly passed, thanks be to God. No matter how large the problem, we know that we are called to go forward in faith, to rely upon God’s promises to us, and to work hard to make every bit of difference we can, within our spheres of influence.

I have recently had the opportunity to talk directly with our seminarians about these very pressing matters, and I have begun to, and will continue to, talk with the priests of the diocese, as well as the faithful, in person and through my weekly column and homilies, making things as clear as I can, from my perspective. Here now, I offer a few thoughts to those of my diocese:

In the first place, we must continue to build upon the good work which we have accomplished in protecting the youth and vulnerable of our diocese. This is a work on which we can never rest in our vigilance, nor our efforts to improve. We must continue in our work of education for all and hold to the effective policies that have been implemented, requiring psychological exams for all candidates for ministry, as well as across-the-board background checks for anyone working with children or vulnerable individuals.

Here again, I state, as we have done consistently, if you have knowledge of any sort of criminal abuse of children by someone in the Church, contact law enforcement. If you need help in contacting law enforcement contact our Victim’s Assistance Coordinator and she will help connect you with the best resources. If you are an adult victim of sexual abuse from childhood, we still encourage you to reach out to law enforcement first, but even if you don’t want to, please still reach out to us.

To our seminarians: If you are unchastely propositioned, abused, or threatened (no matter by whom), or if you directly witness unchaste behavior, report it to me and to the seminary rector. I will address it swiftly and vigorously. I will not stand for this in my diocese or anywhere I send men for formation. I trust that the seminaries I choose, very discriminately, to help form our men will not ignore this type of scandalous behavior, and I will continue to verify that expectation.

To our priests: Most simply, live out the promises you made on your ordination day. You are called to serve Christ’s people, beginning with praying daily the Liturgy of the Hours. This is to keep you very close to God. In addition, you promised to obey and be loyal to your bishop. In obedience, strive to live out your priesthood as a holy priest, a hard working priest, and a pure and happy priest — as Christ Himself is calling you to do. And by extension, live a chaste and celibate life so that you can completely give your life to Christ, the Church, and the people whom he has called you to serve. God will give you the graces to do so. Ask Him for the help you need daily and throughout every day. And if you are unchastely propositioned, abused, or threatened (no matter by whom), or if you directly witness unchaste behavior, report it to me. I will not stand for this in my diocese any more than in our seminaries.

To the faithful of the diocese: If you are the victim of abuse of any kind by a priest, bishop, cardinal, or any employee of the Church, bring it forward. It will be addressed quickly and justly. If you have directly witnessed sexual advances or any type of abuse, bring it forward as well. Such actions are sinful and scandalous and we cannot allow anyone to use their position or power to abuse another person. Again, in addition to injuring individuals, these actions injure the very Body of Christ, His Church.

Furthermore, I add my name to those calling for real and sustained reform in the episcopate, priesthood, our parishes, schools, universities, and seminaries that would root out and hold accountable any would-be sexual predator or accomplice;

I will hold the priests of the diocese to their promise to live a chaste and celibate life of service to you and your parish, and evidence of failure in this regard will be justly addressed;

I will likewise hold every man studying for the priesthood for our diocese accountable to living a chaste and celibate life as part of his formation for the priesthood. Failure to do so will lead to dismissal from diocesan sponsorship;

I will continue to require (with our men and our funds) that all seminaries to which we send men to study be vigilant that seminarians are protected from sexual predators and provide an atmosphere conducive to their holistic formation as holy priests, in the image of Christ;

I ask all the faithful of the diocese to assist in keeping us accountable to civil authorities, the faithful in the pews, and to God Almighty, not only to protect children and the youth from sexual predators in the Church, but our seminarians, university students, and all the faithful as well. I promise to put any victim and their sufferings before that of the personal and professional reputation of a priest, or any Church employee, guilty of abuse;

I ask everyone reading this to pray. Pray earnestly for the Church and all her ministers. Pray for our seminarians. And pray for yourselves and your families. We must all work daily on our own personal holiness and hold ourselves accountable first and, in turn, hold our brothers and sisters accountable as well, and

Finally, I ask you all to join me and the entire clergy of the Diocese of Madison in making public and private acts of reparation to the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus and to the Immaculate Heart of Mary for all the sins of sexual depravity committed by members of the clergy and episcopacy. I will be offering a public Mass of reparation on Friday, September 14, the Feast of the Triumph of the Holy Cross, at Holy Name Heights and I ask all pastors to do the same in their own parishes. In addition, I ask that all priests, clergy, religious, and diocesan employees join me in observing the upcoming Autumn Ember Days (Sep. 19, 21, and 22) as days of fasting and abstinence in reparation for the sins and outrages committed by members of the clergy and episcopacy and I invite all the faithful to do the same. Some sins, like some demons, can only be driven out by prayer and fasting.

This letter and these statements and promises are not intended to be an exhaustive list of what we can and need to do in the Church to begin to heal from, and stave off, this deep illness in the Church, but rather the next steps I believe we can take locally.

More than anything else, we as a Church must cease our acceptance of sin and evil. We must cast out sin from our own lives and run toward holiness. We must refuse to be silent in the face of sin and evil in our families and communities and we must demand from our pastors — myself included — that they themselves are striving day in and day out for holiness. We must do this always with loving respect for individuals but with a clear understanding that true love can never exist without truth.

Again, right now there is a lot of justified anger and passion coming from many holy and faithful lay people and clerics across the country, calling for real reform and “house cleaning” of this type of depravity. I stand with them. I don’t know yet how this will play out nationally or internationally. But I do know this, and I make this my last point and last promise, for the Diocese of Madison: “As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”

Faithfully yours in the Lord,

Most Rev. Robert C. Morlino
Bishop of Madison

 

[homecanner1]

Its my understanding that the Univ. has a good working relationship with Morlino, which wasn't always the case with the diocese. They have common goals re preservation and protection of artifacts. Morlino is an unapologetic traditionalist and a rare bird these days.

Pedos come in three flavors: hetero oriented girls only, homo oriented boys only and pirate oriented, takes all comers.

The homo oriented pedos predominate in the church whereas I think the hetero oriented tend to dominate in the public sphere. Perhaps because of altar boys there was more opportunity for access to male minors.

its all abhorrent and needs a serious blast from a firehose to flush the filth out

 

[NC Susan]

The Cannaite government secular sanctioned religion of Baal is Protecting the catholic institution rather than the Laws of God

 

[homepark]

We had something similar attempted in Orthodoxy here in the US. It was quickly routed out, but not before lives were ruined. The RC's I know locally are ready to string up the maleafactors. The days of leaving it up to the hierarchy, are over.

 

[Troke]

The OP refuses to follow the narrative, a narrative which I have seen stated more than once on this very forum. The narrative is that the Church is the center of Pedophilia. Homosexuality has nothing to do with what has been going on in the Church.

The good bishop has let the cat of of the bag. (Metaphor there.) We shall wait for the reaction.

 

[fish hook]

I look at this sort of thing the same way i look at rouge cops.Until the "good"priest's and "good" cops start correcting the problems in their ranks,there are no "good" priest's or cop's.If you do not actively resist and combat that kind of action,at best you are useless and at worst complicit.

 

[minkykat]

The OP refuses to follow the narrative, a narrative which I have seen stated more than once on this very forum. The narrative is that the Church is the center of Pedophilia. Homosexuality has nothing to do with what has been going on in the Church.

The good bishop has let the cat of of the bag. (Metaphor there.) We shall wait for the reaction.

I've already seen some whining on Twitter about noooooo! You're being mean to gays! nooooo!

So?
Go. Get thee gone.

 

[Bardou]

We had something similar attempted in Orthodoxy here in the US. It was quickly routed out, but not before lives were ruined. The RC's I know locally are ready to string up the maleafactors. The days of leaving it up to the hierarchy, are over.

Withhold money from the church and see how fast things change. Money talks. The RC is too far gone because it's been going on for too long, and all that's left is a corrupt broken church. I blame those sitting in the pews for allowing it to go on far too long. Looking the other way is the same as saying "I approve."

 

[Laurane]

I wonder how many young men suspect that this is the case when they apply to become Priests......are they not warned at all, or do they not hear about certain men who do this kind of thing, or do they not have proof, or think that it won't happen in their case.

How many Priests have not been approached by their superiors - it sounds like very few, and maybe they are the ones who work in the small towns and are not subject to proximity of the network in the cities.

 

[Troke]

I wonder how many young men suspect that this is the case when they apply to become Priests......are they not warned at all, or do they not hear about certain men who do this kind of thing, or do they not have proof, or think that it won't happen in their case.

How many Priests have not been approached by their superiors - it sounds like very few, and maybe they are the ones who work in the small towns and are not subject to proximity of the network in the cities.

Latest word is that there is to be a very strong psychological analysis of new seminarians. As for the tares amongst the wheat, I think that they are being smoked out (Metaphor there) as I type, the good Cardinal as one example.

All very melancholy.

 

[coalcracker]

Withhold money from the church and see how fast things change. Money talks. The RC is too far gone because it's been going on for too long, and all that's left is a corrupt broken church. I blame those sitting in the pews for allowing it to go on far too long. Looking the other way is the same as saying "I approve."

Look, you have no clue. Stop blaming those sitting in the pew. You say they were "looking the other way." Nonsense. Some bishops were doing so. That is evident from the recent report, but 99% of practicing Roman Catholics, the people in the pews, were unaware. They found out about this the same time everyone else did when the report was made public.

As you persist in your "guilt by association" premise, I challenge you:

Pedophiles are all around us. They are evil and deserve all the scorn. Stop blaming all Catholics. As you do so, you exude ignorance.

 

[Bardou]

Withhold money from the church and see how fast things change. Money talks. The RC is too far gone because it's been going on for too long, and all that's left is a corrupt broken church. I blame those sitting in the pews for allowing it to go on far too long. Looking the other way is the same as saying "I approve."

'No More Money to This Corrupt Syndicate': Patricia Heaton Takes on the Catholic Church over Predator Priests
08-18-2018

Patricia Heaton

Patricia Heaton

Actress Patricia Heaton is known for her devotion to God and for helping others in need - and now her faith is pushing her to take a serious stand. She used social media this week to express her discontent with the Roman Catholic Church and the ongoing abuse scandals that have rocked the church from Pennsylvania all the way to Vatican City.

Heaton, most recently the star of TV's "The Middle" and "Everybody Loves Raymond," tweeted a note about watching an interview with Cardinal Donald Wuerl, the archbishop of Washington, who's facing calls for his resignation. A bombshell grand jury report this week on rampant abuse in six Pennsylvania dioceses accused Wuerl of helping to protect some child-molesting priests while he was bishop of Pittsburgh from 1988 to 2006.

The report identifies more than a thousand victims of 300 "predator priests" who sexually abused children all the way back to 1940.

"Watched another interview with @Cardinal_Wuerl," Heaton wrote. "Bottom line - the Catholic Church will have zero moral authority until everyone who abused or abetted is gone. No excuses. Until then, no more money to this corrupt syndicate. @Pontifex @CardinalDolan"

Wuerl is also facing skepticism over his recent insistence that he knew nothing about years of alleged sexual misconduct by former Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, his predecessor in the nation's capital.

The Associated Press reports some conservative Catholics are calling for his resignation or ouster, and a petition is circulating to remove his name from a parochial high school in suburban Pittsburgh.

Wuerl has said he has no plans to resign. He apologized this week for the damage inflicted on the victims but also defended his actions in Pennsylvania.

"The Diocese worked to meet or exceed the requirements of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and the reporting requirements of Pennsylvania law," Wuerl said. "We showed pastoral concern by reaching out to victims and their families while reporting allegations to the authorities so they could investigate crimes."

Wuerl has not been charged with any wrongdoing but is named numerous times in the grand jury report, which details instances in which he allowed priests accused of misconduct to be reassigned or reinstated.

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/enterta...-on-the-catholic-church-over-predator-priests

 

[TammyinWI]

The OP refuses to follow the narrative, a narrative which I have seen stated more than once on this very forum. The narrative is that the Church is the center of Pedophilia. Homosexuality has nothing to do with what has been going on in the Church.

The good bishop has let the cat of of the bag. (Metaphor there.) We shall wait for the reaction.

Um, unfortunately, it does. Put "gay bathhouse Vatican" in a search, and you will see many articles about that. There are documentaries that expose corruption in the Vatican, money laundering, also.

 

[minkykat]

Look, you have no clue. Stop blaming those sitting in the pew. You say they were "looking the other way." Nonsense. Some bishops were doing so. That is evident from the recent report, but 99% of practicing Roman Catholics, the people in the pews, were unaware. They found out about this the same time everyone else did when the report was made public.

As you persist in your "guilt by association" premise, I challenge you:

Pedophiles are all around us. They are evil and deserve all the scorn. Stop blaming all Catholics. As you do so, you exude ignorance.

I am Catholic and I agree with Bardou. It's not that we all knew, it's true. Prior to 2002 most did not know.
BUT, we helped foster this atmosphere by our consent. We did not hollar at the ripping out of the old altars and the railings. We kept mum over the lack of reverence lest people brow beat us at trying to be holier than thou.

We didn't raise hell when the nuns raised their skirts and doffed their veils. We didn't threaten to withhold every dime over openly gay priests.

In sort, by trying to go with the flow, we let the Vactican take the church right to hell.

Well NO MORE!

 

[Bardou]

Look, you have no clue. Stop blaming those sitting in the pew. You say they were "looking the other way." Nonsense. Some bishops were doing so. That is evident from the recent report, but 99% of practicing Roman Catholics, the people in the pews, were unaware. They found out about this the same time everyone else did when the report was made public.

As you persist in your "guilt by association" premise, I challenge you:

Pedophiles are all around us. They are evil and deserve all the scorn. Stop blaming all Catholics. As you do so, you exude ignorance.

Please don't tell me what I have and have not. I've got common sense which is what many are lacking these days. Pedophiles "around us" are dealt with. Not in the Catholic church, the priest got moved to another area but their behavior remained the same. I have a close friend who was a Superintendent of a county here in California. He was raised Catholic and his father was a California Senator. He was molested by a priest when he attended a Catholic school in San Francisco and he was an altar boy. The one thing that disturbed me about him, was when he was running for office of Superintendent, he let it be known that he was molested while attending a Catholic school.

Sorry that your bubble has been burst and your pedophile priests walk freely among us. Ignorant. No, blissfully aware.

 

[coalcracker]

I am Catholic and I agree with Bardou. It's not that we all knew, it's true. Prior to 2002 most did not know.
BUT, we helped foster this atmosphere by our consent. We did not hollar at the ripping out of the old altars and the railings. We kept mum over the lack of reverence lest people brow beat us at trying to be holier than thou.

We didn't raise hell when the nuns raised their skirts and doffed their veils. We didn't threaten to withhold every dime over openly gay priests.

In sort, by trying to go with the flow, we let the Vactican take the church right to hell.

Well NO MORE!

:

You write, "we helped foster this atmosphere by our consent."

You also write you, "agree with Bardou."

Perhaps the two of you would also agree that if a young woman didn't dress so attractively, she wouldn't have been raped? Maybe she too, "fostered the atmosphere?"

Try this:

Perpetrators:
1. Pedophiles who did these terrible things.
2. Some Church leaders who knew and did nothing.

Victims:
1. The abused children and their families.
2. The faithful in the pews.

The two of you really need to get this right. As I've said before on a similar thread, you should Google "guilt by association." Learn what it is, and why you should not do it.

 

[PghPanther]

While there is one side of society that is trying to bring this to light and find justice and clean up deviancy in the church.............

There is another side of society that is trying to make it all normal and legal within the law.

 

[Troke]

I am getting sick and tired of this pedophile/priest crap. I doubt that the % of pedophiles hanging around pre-pubscent kids in the Church was much, if any, higher than the population as a whole.

The problem was homosexuals. And they are frightened crapless that they will get hung with the Church's travail so they try to deflect it towards pedophilia.

I am a little appalled that posters on this forum buy into that narrative.

The other thing going on is that we persist in using today's standards to measure yesterday's actions. Works every time making our forebearers look like a pack of fools or worse.

 

[coalcracker]

There may well be a homosexual problem in the church, but this report limits itself exclusively to abuses committed against minors. Most kids were male, but some were female. Pedophilia is the correct word to identify the problem as reported here.

 

[Troke]

There may well be a homosexual problem in the church, but this report limits itself exclusively to abuses committed against minors. Most kids were male, but some were female. Pedophilia is the correct word to identify the problem as reported here.

So we understand what we are saying; your definition of pedophile.

 

[coalcracker]

So we understand what we are saying; your definition of pedophile.

Troke, you make valid points. I don't doubt your perspective. I'm trying to keep the issue within the 880 pages of the report. It's a tough read. The investigation limited its scope to abuse against minors. Pedophilia is what it covers.

 

[Bardou]

:

You write, "we helped foster this atmosphere by our consent."

You also write you, "agree with Bardou."

Perhaps the two of you would also agree that if a young woman didn't dress so attractively, she wouldn't have been raped? Maybe she too, "fostered the atmosphere?"

Try this:

Perpetrators:
1. Pedophiles who did these terrible things.
2. Some Church leaders who knew and did nothing.

Victims:
1. The abused children and their families.
2. The faithful in the pews.

The two of you really need to get this right. As I've said before on a similar thread, you should Google "guilt by association." Learn what it is, and why you should not do it.

I believe the two of us have it right. Your case is weak with the excuse of dressing attractively. I thought children attending Catholic schools wear uniforms to school. What do Altar boys wear?

These boys are dressed decently:

Girls in Catholic uniforms:

Dressed appropriately, "fostered the atmosphere?" I see no sexual invitations in any of these dress unforms. What you have are out of control priests who believe because they are men of the cloth are entitled to indulge in their desires. Ever watch "To Catch a Predator?" I saw Rabbis, pastors, teachers, doctors, get caught. The most indignant at getting caught was the rabbi - he had a shit fit! He was a family counselor too. All felt entitled. I didn't see any priests in any of the episodes - probably due to the fact they already had a plethora of victims already waiting for them. They knew they wouldn't get caught whereas the others mentioned didn't have the same access and get away with it, but like the priests, they got caught. So, another scandal has come to light and while some Catholics are trying to defend their behavior, others are saying enough!

Here's To Catch a Predator if you wish to watch pedophiles squirm like a worm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7RPXEeZYoE

About 6:45 minutes long

Yep, I've got it right and so do a lot of others who know people who were molested by priests.

 

[coalcracker]

Bardou,
You are missing my point, but that's ok.
Maybe if we were in person, we could communicate better. Message forums are notoriously difficult modes to express meaning.

 

[minkykat]

:

You write, "we helped foster this atmosphere by our consent."

You also write you, "agree with Bardou."

Perhaps the two of you would also agree that if a young woman didn't dress so attractively, she wouldn't have been raped? Maybe she too, "fostered the atmosphere?"

Try this:

Perpetrators:
1. Pedophiles who did these terrible things.
2. Some Church leaders who knew and did nothing.

Victims:
1. The abused children and their families.
2. The faithful in the pews.

The two of you really need to get this right. As I've said before on a similar thread, you should Google "guilt by association." Learn what it is, and why you should not do it.

Are you a Catholic?

There's this prayer that we sometimes say near the top of the service that runs in part:
"I confess...that I have greatly sinned...in what I did and what I have failed to do..."

We, who quietly seethed in the pews as our churches were given over to depravity in the name of diversity, as we saw the rise of the progressive lavender mafia but felt we could say nothing for fear of being mocked, we HELPED create this! We did. Thru our fault, our most grievious fault...

No where do I blame the victims of these monsters. They were children. We, the adults, shoulder some of the blame by remaining silent.
I am sorry that you do not understand.

 

[Roscoe's Daddy]

I'd offer from an administrative standpoint, polygraph the entire lot of professional Roman Catholic clergy within the US and make that a condition of employment. Ultimately, the use of the polygraph is not about uncovering the guilty, it's eliminating the innocent. It would be a massive undertaking but the practical and political rewards would justify the endeavor.

As for those clergy refusing. Well, there goes the job, legal representation and perhaps some appropriately increased scrutiny.

The more I think about it, the more regional it could become. Attach a soft-sounding PC name to the practice and simply advertise in some fashion that a particular parish with it's hierarchy have been reviewed and found to be what they claim to be.

 

[minkykat]

Troke, you make valid points. I don't doubt your perspective. I'm trying to keep the issue within the 880 pages of the report. It's a tough read. The investigation limited its scope to abuse against minors. Pedophilia is what it covers.

The underlying root cause of which, within the RC, IS the allowing of gay priests and nuns. The Bishop in Madison ,WI nailed this on the head in his letter. Ignoring the root and taking out only the limbs will just let it grow back.

Homosexuality doesn't have to be in the closet anymore. There are plenty of other churches where these men and women can go and "serve the Lord" as well as each other.
They will be better off and so will we.

 

[Bardou]

Are you a Catholic?

There's this prayer that we sometimes say near the top of the service that runs in part:
"I confess...that I have greatly sinned...in what I did and what I have failed to do..."

We, who quietly seethed in the pews as our churches were given over to depravity in the name of diversity, as we saw the rise of the progressive lavender mafia but felt we could say nothing for fear of being mocked, we HELPED create this! We did. Thru our fault, our most grievious fault...

No where do I blame the victims of these monsters. They were children. We, the adults, shoulder some of the blame by remaining silent.
I am sorry that you do not understand.

You said it way better than I did Minky! I'm not Catholic, but I've had some religious experience in my lifetime.

 

[Troke]

Knock off the 'minor' PHOG. Pedophile is someone who molests pre-pubescent children. So the children are naturally minors. However, the majority in the report seems to have been pubescent minors, not pre-bubescent. Got that?

So what is pubescent? Used to be 13 yrs and older Mary LeTorearnow seems to have backed it to age 12 and now I hear stories of women getting impregnated by 11 y olds. Currently, the legal target of pedophiles is 12 yrs or younger.

13 and older is homosexual games, not pedophilia. However, as I have stated before, the homosexual community wants to extend pedophilia activities to 18 yrs to dodge responsiblity for the debacle in the RC Church.

Try not to support them .

 

[marymonde]

I personally know three men who tried to enter the seminary back in the 90’s. They had a true calling to be priests. They were repeatedly denied acceptance. One young man was denied three times. He told me I’m going to have to find a seminary who will accept my loyalty to Christ and His teachings, it’s not going to ever happen here. He persevered and is now an ordained priest in North Dakota. I want to add that the parish I live in, I attend the Latin mass so I do not go to Sunday mass in the parish here, had a homosexual priest assigned. What happened is, his computer had issues so he brought it to the local computer shop to get fixed. Massive amounts of homosexual images were found and the woman reported it to the bishop. What happened next? The men of the parish knocked on the rectory door and demanded the priest leave, right now. He did. They literally threatened him with harm if he didn’t leave. The bishop sent him off to WI to get mental help for 6 months, brought him back, and put him into a different parish. I told the people in that parish to beware. They needed to do what the men of this parish did, but they did not. He continues to be moved from parish to parish.

This talk is from 2002. Mr. Rose lays out exactly what happened in the church that caused the crisis. And don’t think this isn’t happening in all of society, because it is. I recall years ago the local news reported on a porn ring the local clergy was involved in. Of course the reporter went to the Catholic Church to interview parishioners about the priest who was involved. I’ll never forget at the end of the report it was revealed in addition to the priest, there were 3 Protestant ministers, a rabbi, and teachers from various schools involved as well. The priest received the only public censure.


Goodbye, Good Men: How Liberals Brought Corruption into the Catholic Church ~ Michael S Rose

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OD2WRL60siw&t=6s

 

[minkykat]

You said it way better than I did Minky! I'm not Catholic, but I've had some religious experience in my lifetime.

WOW! I could have sworn you were Catholic.
I converted eleven years ago this summer. Even with all the warts and pimples, coming to the RC was one of the best things I ever did.

 

[coalcracker]

While there is one side of society that is trying to bring this to light and find justice and clean up deviancy in the church.............

There is another side of society that is trying to make it all normal and legal within the law.

Interesting observation.
Makes me wonder if Troke's strict definition of pedophilia as abuse against pre-pubescent children may inadvertently support a category where sex with ages 12-17 is viewed as an acceptable preference?

LGBT, EFG, HIJKLMNOP

 

[coalcracker]

Are you a Catholic?

There's this prayer that we sometimes say near the top of the service that runs in part:
"I confess...that I have greatly sinned...in what I did and what I have failed to do..."

We, who quietly seethed in the pews as our churches were given over to depravity in the name of diversity, as we saw the rise of the progressive lavender mafia but felt we could say nothing for fear of being mocked, we HELPED create this! We did. Thru our fault, our most grievious fault...



No where do I blame the victims of these monsters. They were children. We, the adults, shoulder some of the blame by remaining silent.
I am sorry that you do not understand.

No, Minky, I do not understand.
But if you knew about it, and remained silent, then you should include it in the penitential prayer quoted above. As for me, my conscience is clean. Oh, I've committed plenty of sins, many of omission, but failing to speak up to protect children whom I knew were being abused? Not me. Never. And I will continue to oppose your notions of collective blame and guilt by association. Justice for all.

 

[Troke]

Interesting observation.
Makes me wonder if Troke's strict definition of pedophilia as abuse against pre-pubescent children may inadvertently support a category where sex with ages 12-17 is viewed as an acceptable preference?

LGBT, EFG, HIJKLMNOP

We are watching, again, the change in the definition of a word for the express purpose of confusing the citizenry. One more time. Homosexuals want nothing to do with the scandal of the RC Church because if the citizenry finds out what homosexuals really do with boys 13 and older, well........the reaction is not going to be favorable to the Homosexual Narrative. And the Press ( and a bunch of people on this forum) goes along, calling it a pedophile scandal.

Sorry folks, a lot more Homo than Pedo down in the parishes and up in the Chanceries..

 

[minkykat]

No, Minky, I do not understand.
But if you knew about it, and remained silent, then you should include it in the penitential prayer quoted above. As for me, my conscience is clean. Oh, I've committed plenty of sins, many of omission, but failing to speak up to protect children whom I knew were being abused? Not me. Never. And I will continue to oppose your notions of collective blame and guilt by association. Justice for all.

Let me try ONE MORE TIME.

The atmosphere that gave these sonsabitches the confidence to carry on their deeds was allowed to take root by those who did NOT complain about the abuses to the church by V2.

Late comers, like myself in 2007, arrived to find the gay mafia firmly entrenched. Sometimes the best thing to do was to simply go to another parish that was more traditional instead of pushing back against the progressive agenda.

This is what I am trying to impart to you. Good God, Bardou, who is not Catholic, gets this.

And this can and likely has taken place in other churches. Where ever good people see the changes that are NOT of God but remain silent, yes, they are part of the problem.
Their refusal to weed helped to make it a friendly environment for the thorns to flourish.

So you just go ahead and "oppose" my viewpoint all you want. Better yet, use all that hate and angst to oppose the weeds in your own place of worship!

 

[minkykat]

We are watching, again, the change in the definition of a word for the express purpose of confusing the citizenry. One more time. Homosexuals want nothing to do with the scandal of the RC Church because if the citizenry finds out what homosexuals really do with boys 13 and older, well........the reaction is not going to be favorable to the Homosexual Narrative. And the Press ( and a bunch of people on this forum) goes along, calling it a pedophile scandal.

Sorry folks, a lot more Homo than Pedo down in the parishes and up in the Chanceries..

This. In fact, Spirit Daily just did a fantastic oped on this very topic. Let me port it over here.

 

[minkykat]

Was/Is There A Major Homosexual Network?

https://spiritdaily.org/blog/news/was-is-there-a-major-homosexual-network

Let’s just be blatant about it: was there, and is there still, a homosexual network at the topmost level of American Catholicism, one that allowed the abuse crisis to all but overtake the many good bishops and priests out there?

Did the network succeed in strategically installing certain gay-friendly bishops across North America?

This is a dark, dark subject over which one should not obsess (we know Who wins in the end) but we must root it out and it goes to what the Pope said last week: that we must now seek out the full truth, whatever the truth is — which will help all those good priests — and future seminarians — out there.

It’s difficult to see how such a formal conspiracy could work to such efficient effect, and the issue of abuse, as we’ll be hearing all week, when the Pope visits Ireland, is not confined to the U.S. But sometimes one does wonder about the idea of a truly nefarious “axis” of pederasty, one that may even have involved, in some instances, practices of the occult.

We say this because two decades ago, we were contacted by a woman and her daughter who alleged that a very major U.S. cardinal, no longer alive, had abused the daughter when she was 11, in a horrendous way — forcing her into a sexual act that involved the Eucharist. We won’t go into further detail. As it is, we apologize for having to broach the aforementioned.

At the time, we discounted it as “false-memory syndrome”: where people suddenly “recall” things in their deep past. This syndrome has implicated many people in all walks of life in very horrendous things, often very falsely (especially when it has to do with satanic ritual abuse, and just as there are priests who have been wrongly besmirched).

But we come to learn, in revisiting this, that the girl, an adult woman when we spoke with her, passed several lie-detector tests and had consulted bestselling Catholic writer Malachi Martin, who incorporated her allegations into a book, Windswept House. She went by the nom de guerre of “Agnes.” And besides her own claim of abuse — which she said was conducted not just by the future cardinal, but also a future monsignor who was in an occultic-like group with the future cardinal. She claimed her dog was killed by them. She swore an affidavit.

Location: Greenville, South Carolina. Year: 1957. A future monsignor ended up in a powerful spot in a diocese in that state, and the cardinal sprung from there to a very powerful national position, including with the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

It sounds ludicrous, and possibly is. A major cardinal, in such a hideous act? And yet one is made to wonder for a number of reasons.

First: recently, a priest in Iowa was arrested with a trove of child pornography, some of it horribly sadistic. Police found e-mails and online “chats” in which this poor cleric spoke of descending to “Satan” and fantasized about harming children in his neighborhood and killing a girl’s dog. The diocese had his home exorcised.

Two: years ago, visiting Greenville, a woman active in the Marian movement detailed the horrendous effect the abuse of a priest had had on her son. It was the first time we heard directly of abuse.

Three, the now-famous Pennsylvania grand jury report detailed abuse by priests that was just as horrendous, including use of a Crucifix and Holy Water during or after terrible sexual acts with children. It also showed a clear network of priests involved, and elements of sadism. The way the Crucifix was used made one wonder if a ritual, consciously or unconsciously, was enacted.

Apologies again, but were some priests, bishops, and perhaps even a cardinal or two members of a satanic cult?

That too seems — for the moment — a bridge too far. But it’s something the Vatican — which contends with its own so-called “Lavender Mafia” — must promptly investigate. Some believe that priests and lay people who were going to expose such have been harmed.

While formal involvement in satanism seems sensationalistic, it is easy now to see, as we have stated for many years, that whether the conspiracy was at an earthly or spiritual level, the devil greatly infiltrated the Church, and it is also easy to see that there seemed to be a connection from Los Angeles through the Midwest to Chicago and the East Coast.

In 1982, a book called The Homosexual Network: Private Lives and Public Policy was published by Father Enrique Rueda, a Catholic priest then in the diocese of Rochester, New York. The book, as one professor points out, had 522 footnoted pages of text, with another 160 pages of appendices and indexes. “It not only analyzed the ideology of homosexuality, but it documented the spread of that ideology through religious organizations, including the Catholic Church, and traced the funding of it,” wrote Connie Marschner, at the time president of the Free Congress Foundation’s Center for Governance.

“In the book, Fr. Rueda detailed — with meticulous footnotes — what, already then, was the growing network of “support groups,” counseling referrals, newsletters, and organizations of homosexuals and pro-homosexuals in the churches of the United States, including the Catholic Church.

“The network was particularly effective within the Catholic Church: at one point in the late ’70s, a key staffer at the Office of Public Affairs and Information of the U. S. Conference of Catholic Bishops was a leader of the Washington, D.C., homosexual movement as well as president of Dignity, the pressure group which seeks to force the Catholic Church to relate to homosexuals according to the tenets of the homosexual ideology.”

That much seems very credible. Indeed, all 168 dioceses have abuse cases — most of them isolated acts by men of the wrong inclination, as opposed to the result of enrollment in an actual cult. More than thirty bishops have faced accusations. It is an historic infiltration — actually, an invasion — and must be treated as such. Not just priests but so many in the hierarchy have been implicated that we even forget about them — the bishop who had to resign in Arizona, the archbishop of Milwaukee, the cardinal who covered up matters in Boston.

Most of it was done to protect the Church and their own diocese from scandal. It made matters worse — and allowed the possibility indeed of a gay and perhaps even occult underground that, however small, exerted influence.

In retrospect, a special look has to be taken at past luminaries such as Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago (whose funeral involved the Windy City Gay Chorus as well as a send-off by a Masonic lodge). Was he involved with them, or were they simply acknowledging his attempts to build bridges of understanding?

It’s difficult, walking the tightrope between legitimate exposé and paranoia. The devil also likes to falsely accuse. — and to make us focus on this. Let’s deal with it but as soon as we can, move on to what is truly crucial: our own individual spirituality. Beware false accusations!

In Chicago, it has been alleged, was a secret clerical “Boys Club” that according to one writer, “not only included homosexual assignations, but also ritualistic, occult worship and the sexual abuse of young boys garnered from low-income ethnic families.”

Such charged have to be fully investigated — by a committee of Catholic laity, reporting only to the Pope. Let it all hang out. But not by bloggers.

We win in the end — we know that. We also know we have tremendous priests — and seminarians — out there who are suffering greatly. We also know there have been false charges. In fact, only about half the abuse allegations in the U.S. have been substantiated, and though the numbers are fantastic — 300 priests in six Pennsylvania dioceses (not even including Philadelphia) — it was over a span of seven decades — seventy years.

The percent of abusers among clergy is about the same and perhaps less than many other professions (such as education).

But a thousand or more kids — in just one state?

And at least 17,000 nationwide.

Time to clean it all out, retire all homosexual clergy, absolutely forbid any further ordinations of men with such a proclivity, no matter how short of priests we may be, and move forward as that strong ship between the pillars of Faith, which will be desperately needed — for after this judgment of the Church comes the judgment on all of society.

–MHB

 

[Troke]

...The atmosphere that gave these sonsabitches the confidence to carry on their deeds was allowed to take root by those who did NOT complain about the abuses to the church by V2....

As it happens, I know at least two who did complain to the bishop (although I didn't know it at the time, learned much later) The reaction was to move the priest. And they knew that would not solve the problem.

Now what? It is the early-mid 1950's. No TEEVEE reporters for news conferences, no Net to spread the word. And I have a feeling the Press of that day would pay no attention. I suppose they could have gone to the Archbishop with the hope he would react favorably, but I don't know any who did.

We are using today's capabilities to measure yesterday's actions. Makes those people look bad every time.

One thing they could have done. Go to the Knights of Columbus in the new parish and tell them why the priest transferred.