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California Attempting "Exit Tax" In 2024 To Prevent Fleeing Wealthy​


In 2024, California introduced a groundbreaking yet controversial financial measure: the exit tax.

This unprecedented policy mandates that individuals relocating out of the state pay a tax on their net worth, targeting particularly those with substantial assets accrued within the Golden State’s borders.

Designed to clamp down on the outflow of wealth and ensure departing residents contribute to the state’s economic well-being, the exit tax has ignited a firestorm of debate.

Proponents see it as a necessary step to fund critical public services and maintain fiscal stability, while critics argue it’s a punitive action that could have far-reaching negative consequences for the state’s future.
 

end game

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No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
 

L.A.B.

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California Attempting "Exit Tax" In 2024 To Prevent Fleeing Wealthy​


In 2024, California introduced a groundbreaking yet controversial financial measure: the exit tax.

This unprecedented policy mandates that individuals relocating out of the state pay a tax on their net worth, targeting particularly those with substantial assets accrued within the Golden State’s borders.

Designed to clamp down on the outflow of wealth and ensure departing residents contribute to the state’s economic well-being, the exit tax has ignited a firestorm of debate.

Proponents see it as a necessary step to fund critical public services and maintain fiscal stability, while critics argue it’s a punitive action that could have far-reaching negative consequences for the state’s future.

Go bulldoze every politicians home who support or vote that thing, then put up blue tarp camps on their property, and make them legally responsible for every illegal living there under their replacement theory.

The insanity of those enabler's of the left require a pants on fire exodus. Two clicks to the left, on a slow boat to China.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.

California Attempting "Exit Tax" In 2024 To Prevent Fleeing Wealthy​


In 2024, California introduced a groundbreaking yet controversial financial measure: the exit tax.

This unprecedented policy mandates that individuals relocating out of the state pay a tax on their net worth, targeting particularly those with substantial assets accrued within the Golden State’s borders.

Designed to clamp down on the outflow of wealth and ensure departing residents contribute to the state’s economic well-being, the exit tax has ignited a firestorm of debate.

Proponents see it as a necessary step to fund critical public services and maintain fiscal stability, while critics argue it’s a punitive action that could have far-reaching negative consequences for the state’s future.

IIRC I remember Rush Limbaugh discussing something similar when he left NYC for Florida. They tried taxing him after the fact, what I don't remember is whether or not their attempts to tax him worked or not. This would have been the early 2000's.
 

Delta

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When I moved from California to Oklahoma I discovered that I could not get my last California tax refund. (It was easier to let them have it that it was to make a stink about it--didn't amount to much and I have enjoyed hating California ever since.)
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
Hopefully I don't get a bill. Gone since 2006, but they did try for at least 3 years to get me to pay taxes and liabilities I didn't owe them!

CA used to (still does?) try to tax travel nurses who held CA nursing licenses. They might have traveled there for 2 years or more but they assumed an active license meant income earned there. Total morons.

RR
 

West

Senior
CA used to (still does?) try to tax travel nurses who held CA nursing licenses. They might have traveled there for 2 years or more but they assumed an active license meant income earned there. Total morons.

RR
I ran a payroll for over 17 years. Not only did California want their normal workers comp, unemployment, and medicalifornia payroll liabilities that I paid, but also the insurances/registrations on all my rigs!

But I no longer had a payroll, and all my rigs was registered and insured in another state!

They sent me really mean and threatening letters every week about for the first few years.

I had to have lawyer back me several times.
 

1911user

Veteran Member
It hasn't passed yet, and per this article, unlikely to pass.


March 17, 2023, 3:45 AM CDT
California Wealth and Exit Tax Shows a Window Into the Future
Michael Nathanson



California’s wealth tax proposal is unlikely to pass, thanks in part to Gov. Gavin Newsom’s opposition, but ultrawealthy taxpayers should be wary of what it portends, says Colony Group’s Michael Nathanson.

The recently introduced California wealth tax proposal essentially contains three components. The first, a wealth tax of 1% on household wealth over $50 million and 1.5% on wealth over $1 billion, would apply starting in 2024 and to those with over $50 million starting in 2026. It would be based on worldwide net worth, with some exceptions, and would apply to full-time, part-year, and temporary residents, subject to apportionment.

The second component is an exit-tax structure that allows the wealth tax to be applied for several years after a taxpayer leaves California. Also included are provisions that enable certain taxpayers to defer payment by contracting to pay the tax in the future, even if they leave. The third component is an enabling amendment to the California constitution.

While the California proposal is unlikely to pass, thanks in part to Gov. Gavin Newsom’s opposition, ultrawealthy taxpayers should be wary of what it portends. The California proposal doesn’t stand alone. Proposed legislation in Hawaii would impose a tax of 1% on state net worth exceeding $20 million, and proposed legislation in Washington would impose a tax of 1% on taxable worldwide wealth over $250 million.

Other states, including New York, have taken steps toward taxing the ultrawealthy, though primarily through higher taxes on capital gain and other income. Late last year, Massachusetts imposed a surtax of 4% on income over $1 million through a ballot initiative—and this example is perhaps telling. The “Massachusetts millionaires’ tax” had been introduced and defeated multiple times before finally becoming law.

The most recent wealth-tax proposals may not pass this year but, as in Massachusetts, it’s not the first time such proposals have been considered. They, too, may be part of a trend in which voters and politicians gradually become more comfortable with a targeted new tax.

Adding to the pressure, some state budget deficits are growing, forcing them to make difficult decisions. In California, the projected deficit of $22.5 billion roughly coincides with the projected $21.6 billion of revenue offered by the wealth tax proposal.

Then there’s the national rhetoric surrounding wealth inequality, with several politicians unsuccessfully calling for a national wealth tax. The political hurdles for a national wealth tax, however, are greater than they are in progressive states, making these states a natural testing ground.

As for the potential for exit taxation, fears of losing revenue from wealthy taxpayers moving to lower-tax jurisdictions aren’t unfounded. They’re the main reason why the eight states mentioned above acted in concert. According to the US Census Bureau, such migration already has been occurring.

If the trend favors future state wealth and exit taxes, how will they look? Let’s consider several provisions of the US Constitution.

First among those provisions are the Privileges and/or Immunities Clauses. The Supreme Court has held that these clauses guarantee the right to travel and preclude the states from unduly restraining interstate mobility.

We can therefore expect any future wealth or exit tax won’t impose a heavy burden on a taxpayer’s decision to move. The California proposal arguably could fail this test, not only because of the magnitude of the exit tax but also because it would apply to illiquid and hard-to-value assets, making the decision to move expensive and administratively burdensome. While the California proposal does offer a limited debt option to pay the tax in the future, the courts may require more.

Also relevant is the Commerce Clause, which reserves to Congress (not the states) the power to regulate commerce. The Supreme Court has established various tests to ensure that a state tax doesn’t violate this clause and other clauses such as the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment.

To satisfy them, a state likely would need to ensure that a wealth or exit tax is applied to wealth accumulated while in the state, by people who have been living there, and offer some sort of credit for wealth sourced elsewhere. Therefore, the California proposal’s scope may be too broad, and its application after a taxpayer leaves the state is likely an overreach. Post-exit taxation may ultimately be limited to paying tax liabilities accrued prior to departure.

For now, ultrawealthy taxpayers seeking to avoid wealth and exit taxes must be vigilant for when they might be enacted. When that happens, the most obvious solution will be to move—before the taxes become effective.

A less extreme strategy would be to remain a part-time resident, presumably triggering apportionment or proration to mitigate the tax. Other strategies would include reducing taxable wealth by investing in exempt or excluded property; accelerating charitable contributions; and making family gifts, including through entities (accounting for any federal tax implications).

Legislators in eight states have recently introduced proposals to raise more money from their wealthiest taxpayers, but the wealth tax and accompanying exit tax proposed for California are especially worthy of consideration. Predictions that these new taxes will be imposed in their current form are overstated for now but should be seen as a harbinger of things to come—and a call to action for those who want to avoid them
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
The more we see these kinds of things coming out of the wild eyed left of the DNC, particularly with CA being essentially a one party dictatorship, the more likely whose who are being targeted may likely go "turnabout" and use Sorros' methods for their own purposes whether they get perturbed enough or see advantage in such moves.
 
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rbt

Veteran Member
I thought they already had some thing similar, talking to a friend on the phone said his neighbor was leaving California and they were trying to charge him a 3% tax.
 

West

Senior
Because of workers comp, unemployment, state health insurance and FICA mandated liabilities a above the table (honest contractor) roofing contractors in California are few if any.

Don't doubt me, in California and most other states the only roofing contractors that actually do the job, are illegal immigrants doing the job or trusted citizens that work under the table.

Prove me wrong.
 

SlipperySlope

Veteran Member
My husbands cousin and her husband both left Cali when they retired. They made over a million bucks profit on their house. She gets a school teacher pension of over 70K a year!!! He gets one from Boeing at about 50K a year. Plus social security. They went to Missouri and are as happy as can be. They are the richest folks in their little rural town. They have his and hers new Corvettes.
 

Siskiyoumom

Veteran Member
Why leave? They can crap and sleep on the streets and live for free.
The majority of folks in California moved here from outside of California.

On side if my family migrated here in 1909 after four very severe years in a row of blizzards, prairie fires, locusts and flooding on their homestead in Iowa.

My siblings and I were all born out of state at duty stations where our dad was stationed.

I am the last sibling here due to caring for my in laws.

Dear husband and I would love to move to move out of state but cannot at this time.

We are conservative and we do not live on the streets nor crap on them. And we do not live for free.
 

West

Senior
The majority of folks in California moved here from outside of California.

On side if my family migrated here in 1909 after four very severe years in a row of blizzards, prairie fires, locusts and flooding on their homestead in Iowa.

My siblings and I were all born out of state at duty stations where our dad was stationed.

I am the last sibling here due to caring for my in laws.

Dear husband and I would love to move to move out of state but cannot at this time.

We are conservative and we do not live on the streets nor crap on them. And we do not live for free.
I moved back to the state my mother's family lived in, but then migrated to California in the 1930s.

Father's side came from Wyoming in the 1930s to California.

Still have family in California.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
So what are they going to do if you do not pay their stinking tax, I do not think they will find out you left the state until a year has passed.
 

West

Senior
So what are they going to do if you do not pay their stinking tax, I do not think they will find out you left the state until a year has passed.
I was harassed with in the first month. But I had paid my mandated payroll liabilities monthly for 17 years.

Also vehicle registrations, the California DMV will even levy your personal or business accounts to get there pound of flesh. They tried with me, but had a lawyer on top of it, and I had to send many, many registered letters stating that I no longer had any liabilities besides some property taxes. That they still get from me.

Anyone want to buy a nice piece of mountain property next to Oregon? It was lake front property, but they removed the dams to save, I mean kill off the last of the native fish in the Klamath drainage area.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
When I moved from California to Oklahoma I discovered that I could not get my last California tax refund. (It was easier to let them have it that it was to make a stink about it--didn't amount to much and I have enjoyed hating California ever since.)
Another reverse "Grapes of Wrath". Welcome back home.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
I was harassed with in the first month. But I had paid my mandated payroll liabilities monthly for 17 years.

Also vehicle registrations, the California DMV will even levy your personal or business accounts to get there pound of flesh. They tried with me, but had a lawyer on top of it, and I had to send many, many registered letters stating that I no longer had any liabilities besides some property taxes. That they still get from me.

Anyone want to buy a nice piece of mountain property next to Oregon? It was lake front property, but they removed the dams to save, I mean kill off the last of the native fish in the Klamath drainage area.

First sell all the real estate and rent while you wait for the beginning of the state financial year pay any and all taxes then move all your money out of the state then up and leave to another state of your liking without paying their exit tax.
It will take them a year or more before they realize they lost another subject and there is nothing they can do about it.
 
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