ENER BUSH OK’S DRILLING ANWAR, PALIN WILL SPEED PROCESS AHEAD

Emcomus

<~Knights of Malta
There is much more then a pretty face and strong values behind Governor Sarah Palin. When GW Bush eliminated his father’s presidential order banning the exploration of crude oil in the ANWAR province of Alaska, the price of gasoline dropped by 50 cents in some states! It will go down even further if and when Congress approves the actual drilling.

John McCain couldn’t have picked a better running mate. On June 6th, 2007 she already announced the construction of a $30 billion natural gas pipeline bring much needed home heating fuel to remote villagers, tapping this states vast field of natural resources.

According to the Wall Street Journal “Gov. Palin, has long been a vocal proponent of opening the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge for more drilling. That horrifies many environmentalists. She says McCain’s willingness to take another look at ANWR is “very encouraging. It bodes well for him as a pragmatic and wise and experienced statesman…allowing exploration on that little 2,000 acre plot of land out of the 20 million acres up there in the coastal plain.” She stated that the site is actually; “…smaller than the size of LAX” airport.

She added: “And I know up here in Alaska, most every Alaskan believes that ANWR should be drilled, and no one cares more about Alaska’s environment–our lands, our wildlife, our fresh air, our clean water–than Alaskans themselves. And we know that this can be allowed safely, cleanly, ethically–this type of exploration and development of an American supply of energy.”

http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalc...ccains-vp-pick-even-more-bullish-on-drilling/

Obama said, "I strongly reject drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge because it would irreversibly damage a protected national wildlife refuge without creating sufficient oil supplies to meaningfully affect the global market price or have a discernible impact on US energy security."

McCain has said, "As far as ANWR is concerned, I don’t want to drill in the Grand Canyon, and I don't want to drill in the Everglades. This is one of the most pristine and beautiful parts of the world." However, at a town hall meeting at Missouri State University, McCain said he would be willing to reconsider his stance. "I would be more than happy to examine it again," McCain said. When asked if he was changing his position, he added, "people (Sarah) have said to me, 'I'm going to bring you new information about ANWR, how environmentally we can make it safe.'

President George W. Bush and his administration support drilling in the Arctic Refuge, contending that it will "keep [America's] economy growing by creating jobs and ensuring that businesses can expand [a]nd it will make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy," and that "scientists have developed innovative techniques to reach ANWR's oil with virtually no impact on the land or local wildlife."

Supporters of drilling in the Arctic refuge also argue that any pro-drilling political action could affect speculation markets, and that drilling would create thousands of jobs. The market place would notice that we are not as dependant upon imported crude and the price will fall in retrospect. At that point we would providing 1.2% of the WORLD oil consumption for use in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Refuge_drilling_controversy

The democratic party feels that this would never make a signicafate impact on our national consumption. Yet as every barrel of oil produced domestically reduces purchases of foreign oil by one barrel, this production would reduce the cumulative net expenditures on imported crude oil and liquid fuels by an estimated $135 to $327 billion (2006 dollars), between 2018 and 2030, reducing the foreign trade deficit. Sooner if Gov. Palin has anything to say about exploration.

They would rather spend $1.2 trillion dollars in “exploring” alternative forms of energy. I say that we have the resources that our nation currently needs. With todays technology, these natural resources can be safely refined for current consumption. Todays technology doesn’t offer a viable alternative to burning natural resources, but this field is advancing quickly. The latest computer will be obsolote by the end of next year.

It seems like the republican plan is more economical then the democratic agenda, and addresses our nations current needs. Until alternative energy becomes a more dependable solution, it looks like Sarah is right.
 

Emcomus

<~Knights of Malta
Heard Tom Brokoff, of all people, stating that the Mc Cain party is likened to the Eisenhower's campaign (actions speak louder then words...carry a big stick).
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
This is a GOOD thing. The North Slope ought to be fully utilized, should have been utilized years ago. A good thing for Alaska, and a good thing for this country.

Kathleen
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
This is a GOOD thing. The North Slope ought to be fully utilized, should have been utilized years ago. A good thing for Alaska, and a good thing for this country.

Kathleen

Elected officials doing what the voters tell them to? That's just wrong! :ld:

(Do I REALLY need to put a sarcasm tag here?)
 

Emcomus

<~Knights of Malta
Isn't that novel?

Had to run with this thread. Heard nothing, absolutely nothing about it in the main stream media. Maybe it will be addressed at tonights RNC.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Isn't that novel?

Had to run with this thread. Heard nothing, absolutely nothing about it in the main stream media. Maybe it will be addressed at tonights RNC.

That would be excellent. Especially if it is very prominently pointed out that such important news was soft-pedaled, when reported at all. Put the MSM on defensive for a change, and highlight a conspiracy we've know about for quite a while. Media Collusion with the Democratic Party.
 

Emcomus

<~Knights of Malta
I don''t see why not, it is a major issue facing our nation and there has always been a solution. Personally I think, big oil company's let the envoirmental wacko's have their way so the price would go up. Now we are painted into a corner and have no other practical solution.
 
Gov. Palin added: “And I know up here in Alaska, most every Alaskan believes that ANWR should be drilled, and no one cares more about Alaska’s environment–our lands, our wildlife, our fresh air, our clean water–than Alaskans themselves. And we know that this can be allowed safely, cleanly, ethically–this type of exploration and development of an American supply of energy.”

Gov. Palin forgot one itty-bitty detail -- let us not forget that the citizens of Alaska enjoy dividend checks from the Alaska Permanent Fund -- of COURSE the citizens of Alaska believe ANWR should be drilled.


intothegoodnight
 

KateCanada

Inactive
Gov. Palin forgot one itty-bitty detail -- let us not forget that the citizens of Alaska enjoy dividend checks from the Alaska Permanent Fund -- of COURSE the citizens of Alaska believe ANWR should be drilled.


intothegoodnight

Just like our Alberta in Canada. :shr: At least we don't need to buy oil from the ME.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Gov. Palin forgot one itty-bitty detail -- let us not forget that the citizens of Alaska enjoy dividend checks from the Alaska Permanent Fund -- of COURSE the citizens of Alaska believe ANWR should be drilled.


intothegoodnight

Exactly right. The federal government has no business telling a state not to develop its own resources. No "forgetting" about it - it's a foregone conclusion.

And most of the country happens to agree on drilling for the oil and gas.

Drill, baby, drill!
 
And your point is...:shr:

If Gov. Palin is going to state that the Alaskan people are pro-ANWR drilling, then she should ALSO disclose their monetary incentive -- most folks do not know about the Alaska Permanent Fund dividend -- to omit this information is purposeful, and should be perceived as an effort to mislead.

FULL disclosure -- especially where there is money changing hands.


intothegoodnight
 

Rucus Sunday

Veteran Member
Sorry, I don't see a Dem Congress and Senate going along with this. I see it as DOA once they get ahold of it.
That would be a Republican dream, though I'll wager Fruit Loop's arm and leg restraints (and maybe even her electro shock helmet) the Dems wouldn't have the b@lls to do that before the election.
 

Emcomus

<~Knights of Malta
Sorry, I don't see a Dem Congress and Senate going along with this. I see it as DOA once they get ahold of it.

Heck they wouldn't even stay in session during summer recess with the Reps. to disucss this matter. Polosie had the nerve to walk out, with her entourage following!

Very typical, they want to complain, get the American people stirred up, make it a campain issue...then do nothing.

You may be right, but 2 words will take care of that problem...
Executive Directive
 
What's better---

giving the money to those bent on your destruction or giving the money
to Americans?


Manufacturing jobs have gone overseas but the executives of the big motor companies have known for quite some time how to make more fuel efficient vehicles. What is standing in the way are auto unions afraid of change ...
nothing like fear to compel people into doing nothing to help themselves.....
 

JHill

Inactive
Lindsay Williams suggests otherwise.

Me most recently said that oil reserves will be tapped in Russia and Indonesia and will flood the market to bring oil down to $50/barrel. :popcorn1:
 

Emcomus

<~Knights of Malta
If Gov. Palin is going to state that the Alaskan people are pro-ANWR drilling, then she should ALSO disclose their monetary incentive -- most folks do not know about the Alaska Permanent Fund dividend -- to omit this information is purposeful, and should be perceived as an effort to mislead.

FULL disclosure
-- especially where there is money changing hands.


intothegoodnight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund

The Alaska Permanent Fund is a constitutionally established fund established by Alaska in 1976, shortly after the oil from Alaska’s North Slope began flowing to market through the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System.

This was created to be an investment for at least 25% of proceeds from some minerals [such as oil and gas] sale or royalties. The Fund does not include either property taxes on oil company property nor income tax from oil corporations, so the minimum 25% deposit is closer to 11% if those sources were also considered.

The Alaska Permanent Fund sets aside a certain share of oil revenues to continue benefiting current and all future generations of Alaskans.


Guess what, if a US oil company came to me saying, we will pay you a royalty for drilling for natural crude on your property, I'd say heck yes. The big difference is that the Northern Slope and ANWAR is owned by the citizens of Alaska. It would be like drilling in a state park. So, hmmm, where SHOULD the royalites go?

If Sarah wasn't involved in open drilling in Alaska, it would become difficult to cut through the eviormental lobbiest groups. These same groups pressured Bush I to stop discovery after the Exxon Valtesse accident. Discovery would resume by a colation of independent American oil company's (NOT Shell, BP (Russian owned) or Exxon).

Right now we import 1.085 million barrels per daily from Hugo CHAVEZ of Venezuela who has direct links with Al Qaeda, when for years, we could be replacing that source with domestic crude. Maybe it’s not cutting our own throats, but enough stabs into our economy will definitely bleed it to death. Each time crude goes up, gasoline and heating oil goes up…less goes into our pockets as discretionary money; and the price of consumable goods go up because it will cost more to deliver these products. If not stopped this is upward trend will lead to runaway inflation.

Republicans are always critized that the price of gasoline goes up whenever they are in power, because “big oil companies” support there campaigns. Nothing could be further from the truth. First look at the major donors to the RNC; secondly, as a country we are helpless to fix the price of crude because we import over 86% of the barrels from foreign countries!

Yes its time for change! I believe Sarah is just what our country needs, at the time it needs it.
 

Wardogs

Deceased
If Gov. Palin is going to state that the Alaskan people are pro-ANWR drilling, then she should ALSO disclose their monetary incentive -- most folks do not know about the Alaska Permanent Fund dividend -- to omit this information is purposeful, and should be perceived as an effort to mislead.

FULL disclosure -- especially where there is money changing hands.


intothegoodnight

On the contrary, she has mentioned this fact many many times.

She also has brought up the $1200 dividend that the Alaskan citizens received for a royalty, (not a windfall tax as some have tried to label it) on oil taken from THEIR land.

Her proposed tax plan for oil companies is designed to encourage production rather than penalize it.

Among the alternative energy plans like wind and solar, (perfect for Alaska, but not yet technologically feasible), she promotes something that hardly ever gets mentioned, and that is ideal for Alaska and several other areas-geothermal.
Iceland has used this resource for decades, not just for generating electricity, but for direct heating, greenhouses and even snow removal from city streets.
Tailor made for certain areas, and the technology already exists.

Smart lady...
wardogs
 
What's better---

giving the money to those bent on your destruction or giving the money
to Americans?


Manufacturing jobs have gone overseas but the executives of the big motor companies have known for quite some time how to make more fuel efficient vehicles. What is standing in the way are auto unions afraid of change ...
nothing like fear to compel people into doing nothing to help themselves.....[/
QUOTE]



Bull Shivinkey!

The Auto Unions will manufactor/assemble what ever the car companies put into production. They sure will not 'get up in arms' at having a job - even if it was producing donkey carts....

The Unions just want JOBS! Just like the rest of America! They have to buy gasoline and food, pay their mortages etc.

So don't try and "lay it off" on the workers - that the alternative fueled cars are not in production...



TFD




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Lone Eagle Woman

Veteran Member
Now I personally LOVE LOVE LOVE Wilderness Bigtime! But we really do in this
day and age have to be Energy Independant! And the last time I looked, our
nation and society is soooo still dependant on fossil fuels and Soooo Go Sarah Palin! Yea!
 

fruit loop

Inactive
I'm not surprised.

She seems to like killing moose, so destroying the rest of Alaska's wildlife, and damaging its ecosystem, won't matter at all.
 

Wardogs

Deceased
I'm not surprised.

She seems to like killing moose, so destroying the rest of Alaska's wildlife, and damaging its ecosystem, won't matter at all.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Drilling will hardly "destroy the rest of Alaska's wildlife". This isn't the 60's. The technology employed uses one drilling complex where a dozen used to be needed. sideways drilling, deep core and other technologies have become routine. The same for offshore stations.

Most oil spills come from the transportation side, not drilling. Pipelines minimize that risk even further.

I have to laugh at Obama and Pelosi crying for natural gas as an alternative to fossil fuels. Gas IS a fossil fuel and comes from drilling for oil. They are inextricable. You can't have one without the other.

Truly clueless, yet the masses rally behind their ignorance.

We HAVE to wean ourselves off of foreign energy dependence. It's critical for our survival.

It's also critical until we develop the technology to wean ourselves off oil completely for both power and fuel. THAT should be the goal.

We will always need oil for plastics, fertilizer and other petro chemical applications until we find substitutes for these also.

The environmental movement has been co-opted by the radical, socialist left and is strangling every effort to achieve any kind of self sufficiency.

Their agenda is NOT about saving the planet, it's about controlling it.
wardogs
 

mbo

Membership Revoked
I'm not surprised.

She seems to like killing moose, so destroying the rest of Alaska's wildlife, and damaging its ecosystem, won't matter at all.

Was this meant to prove the lack of mental processes by liberals?

What in drilling a tiny proportion of a vast wasteland of tundra harms any wildlife. As a matter-of-fact, it's been shown that wildlife flourish near pipelines. Now a windmill, on the other hand, does kill wildlife, but left-wingers have their heads too far up their behinds to realize that.


What insanity and tripe.


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mbo

Membership Revoked
Only a fraction of a barrel of oil goes into making gasoline. A large proportion goes into deriving other products that people like Fruit Loop use every day. Chemicals, plastics of all sorts, drugs, and thousands of products depend on oil, and can ONLY be derived from oil.

For the left-wing to try to fool people into believing that soemhow we can make oil and hydrocarbon products go away is sheer political spin.

Deriving replacements for the use of hydrocarbons as energy sources is critical, but that will NEVER reduce the need for the use of hydrocarbons for thousands of other purposes and products.


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Emcomus

<~Knights of Malta
I agree mbo!

But please try not to "call out other members" Admin is already looking at moving all these threads, personally I think they SHOULD stay on the main board for EVERYONE to see.

Thanks,
EMergency
COMmunication
US
 

fruit loop

Inactive
Was this meant to prove the lack of mental processes by liberals?

Another pathetic turn to personal attacks due to a lack of real arguments....

This is bad for the environment, and pipelines interfere with migratory patterns.

The price of gas is not going to go down no matter how much oil gets sucked out of Alaska. We screwed ourselves years ago by not switching to solar and other alt fuels.
 

mbo

Membership Revoked
Was this meant to prove the lack of mental processes by liberals?

Another pathetic turn to personal attacks due to a lack of real arguments....

This is bad for the environment, and pipelines interfere with migratory patterns.

The price of gas is not going to go down no matter how much oil gets sucked out of Alaska. We screwed ourselves years ago by not switching to solar and other alt fuels.



Interfering with migratory patterns???? That's a new one.

The footprint of acres upon acres of windmills and solar panels would not interfere with "migratory patterns" ???

oooooooooookay


BTW, oil is not used as a fuel to generate electricity at power plants.



And why people continue to believe that oil only goes into auto fuel tanks is incredible, and dangerous.

(are you going to make kevlar out of "solar" - uh huh)





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What a ridiculous thing to say.
We HAVE to wean ourselves off of foreign energy dependence. It's critical for our survival.

It's also critical until we develop the technology to wean ourselves off oil completely for both power and fuel. THAT should be the goal.

A semantic/economic point but an important one I feel - you do realize that we're only dependent upon foreign sources of energy to keep prices down, don't you? I mean, if we were prepared to pay (say) $250/barrel we could be independent tomorrow. The reason we import the stuff is because it's cheaper shipping it half way around the globe than extracting the equivalent stuff we can get here. No country is energy independent, anywhere - simply because of economics.

Obviously, there's also a limit to how much we can extract and how long we can do that for but that's all covered by the countless peak oil threads. The upshot is that while we can technically do it, we can't AFFORD to be energy-independent.

Enid.
 
BTW, oil is not used as a fuel to generate electricity at power plants.

Actually according to the Electric Industry association, that's not true:

Coal-fired plants contributed 49.9 percent of the Nation’s electric power, year-to-date. Nuclear plants contributed 19.6 percent, while 19.3 percent was generated at natural gas-fired plants. Of the 1.1 percent generated by petroleum-fired plants, petroleum liquids represented 0.7 percent, with the remainder from petroleum coke. Conventional hydroelectric power provided 6.7 percent of the total, while other renewables (primarily biomass, but also geothermal, solar, and wind) and other miscellaneous energy sources generated the remaining electric power.

Highlights and bolding is mine.

The rest of the (really rather informative) article can be found here:http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/epm_sum.html

Hope that helps some.
Enid
 

expose'

The Pulse......
Remember the days before liberal nonsense when people could enjoy a good debate (without childish rantings) and a level of civility that would allow a handshake with a disagreement.?

Liberals have taken on a chidlish militant tone to everything. They will rant and rave and twist and spin as bad children - even when faced with solid evidence against them. There is no honor, no sense to he honest, no need to learn. They are just spinning and spitting children. They control our speech too. We try to be fair and go an extra mile in our reasoning so they get an extra chance to understand...yet they spit and bite and seethe in our faces. They feel our patience is weakness and stupidity. :shk:

Used to be a day when those people were just put away as crazy or ignored and the rest of the world was free to speak openly, to dream and get things done...:shr: No political correctness...
 

Wardogs

Deceased
A semantic/economic point but an important one I feel - you do realize that we're only dependent upon foreign sources of energy to keep prices down, don't you? I mean, if we were prepared to pay (say) $250/barrel we could be independent tomorrow. The reason we import the stuff is because it's cheaper shipping it half way around the globe than extracting the equivalent stuff we can get here. No country is energy independent, anywhere - simply because of economics.

Obviously, there's also a limit to how much we can extract and how long we can do that for but that's all covered by the countless peak oil threads. The upshot is that while we can technically do it, we can't AFFORD to be energy-independent.

Enid.

While that may have been true when oil was $20-30 dollars a barrel, it's not true anymore.
The largest expense in extracting domestic oil is NOT technical or transportation, it's regulatory, in the form of impact studies, land swaps, court costs to fight lawsuits against new refineries by the greenies, etc.

Oil companies are not even allowed to explore on lease hold lands before they bid to see if it's feasible. When they DO lease land, the greenies fight exploration.

Dutch Shell, who has the only operating shale oil extraction plant in the country In Colorado, has stated that right NOW, with the technology existing, they can make a profit at $40 dollars a barrel. They say that as technology improves, that will be cut in half. They are not being allowed to even continue with that pilot plant because they are swamped with lawsuits from the environmental weenies who keep a strangle hold on the legislature.

While any domestic oil will be sold on the world market, (unless we follow the Dem suggestion of nationalizing our oil companies), the very hint of our undertaking a program to use our own resources would have a dramatic effect on price. Witness the $20 dollar drop when Bush just mentioned lifting the ban on offshore drilling.

I have to laugh at the railing against "big oil" that you hear from the left.
It's a fallacy.

Are you even aware that the United States does NOT have any big oil companies? The largest American oil company, Exxon Mobil, is only the 14th largest in the world, and is dwarfed by the really big oil companies--all owned by foreign governments or government-sponsored monopolies--that dominate the world's oil supply.

With 94% of the world's oil supply locked up by foreign governments, most of which are hostile to the United States, the relatively puny American oil companies do not have access to enough crude oil to significantly affect the market and help bring prices down. Thus, Exxon-Mobil, a "small" oil company, buys 90% of the crude oil that it refines for the U.S. market from the big players, i.e., mostly-hostile foreign governments. The price at the U.S. pump is rising because the price the big oil companies charge Exxon Mobil and the other small American companies for crude oil is going up as the value of the American dollar goes down. They will eventually bleed this country into printing even more money and we will go into runaway inflation once again as we did under the Carter Democratic reign.

When oil was cheap, it was not deemed vital to utilize our own resources, but that isn't the case now. Instead of learning that lesson in the 70's, we went right back to importing oil. We should have started alternative research then, but we didn't, and we face the result of that shortsightedness today.
The Democrats want to continue that foolishness.

This is obviously a tough situation for the American consumer. The irony is that it doesn't have to be that way. The United States--unlike, say, France--actually has vast petroleum reserves. It would be possible for American oil companies to develop those reserves, play a far bigger role in international markets, and deliver gas at the pump to American consumers at a much lower price, while creating many thousands of jobs for Americans. This would be infinitely preferable to shipping endless billions of dollars to Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Venezuela to be used in propping up their economies.

So, why doesn't it happen? Because the Democrat Party--aided, sadly, by a handful of Republicans--deliberately keeps gas prices high and our domestic oil companies small by putting most of our reserves off limits to development.

China is now drilling in the Caribbean, off Cuba, but our own companies are barred by law from developing large oil fields off the coasts of Florida and California. Enormous oil-shale deposits in the Rocky Mountain states could go a long way toward supplying American consumers' needs, but the Democratic Congress won't allow those resources to be developed. ANWR contains vast petroleum reserves, but we don't know how vast, because Congress, not wanting the American people to know how badly its policies are hurting our economy, has made it illegal to explore and map those reserves, let alone develop them.

In short, all Americans are paying a terrible price for the Democratic Party's perverse energy policies.
Let me explain a bit about what I mean by regulatory factors.
Say you own some small interests in tiny, 4 barrel-per-day oil wells in Wyoming. You have 14 agencies that have iron-hand jurisdiction over you. If you drop any oil on the ground when the refinery truck comes to pick up oil from our holding tanks, you are fined. Yet down the road the state will spray thousands of gallons of used oil on a dirt road to control dirt. When it rains that oil runs into rivers and creeks. Yet a cup of oil on the ground at your wellhead is a $50,000 EPA fine plus additional fines from state regulating agencies.
They treat oil as if it were plutonium that has the potential to leak into the environment. You are fined if your dirt berms are not high enough around a holding tank, yet the truck that picks up your oil runs down the road at 60 mph with no berm around it. People wonder why there is no more exploration in this country. It's because of the regulators; people who have lived their whole lives doing nothing but imposing fines on small operators like these for doing mostly nothing.

To all you Democrats, when you go vote for your candidate, a blazing liberal like Barrack Hussein Obama, just keep in mind that their liberal spending habits will further decrease the value of the American dollar on the world market and your gasoline costs will hike even higher. Obama himself has said he WANTS that to happen. As they introduce more give-away programs, raise taxes on everyone to pay people not to produce or work, your dollar will continue to dwindle on the world market and you will be paying $10.00 per gallon at the next election. Cheap hydrocarbon fuel is all over. Enjoy! Enjoy the fruits of your decision to elect these folks when you are there in that voting booth and you stab your pin through a liberal’s name.
wardogs
 
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Emcomus

<~Knights of Malta
Only a fraction of a barrel of oil goes into making gasoline. A large proportion goes into deriving other products that people like Fruit Loop use every day. Chemicals, plastics of all sorts, drugs, and thousands of products depend on oil, and can ONLY be derived from oil.

For the left-wing to try to fool people into believing that soemhow we can make oil and hydrocarbon products go away is sheer political spin.

Deriving replacements for the use of hydrocarbons as energy sources is critical, but that will NEVER reduce the need for the use of hydrocarbons for thousands of other purposes and products.


.

That's a FACT.

As long as Obama associates himself with moveon.org and their leftist ideals and extremist activities in this country he'll never understand.
 
What a ridiculous thing to say.

Drilling will hardly "destroy the rest of Alaska's wildlife". This isn't the 60's. The technology employed uses one drilling complex where a dozen used to be needed. sideways drilling, deep core and other technologies have become routine. The same for offshore stations.

We HAVE to wean ourselves off of foreign energy dependence. It's critical for our survival.

It's also critical until we develop the technology to wean ourselves off oil completely for both power and fuel. THAT should be the goal.

We will always need oil for plastics, fertilizer and other petro chemical applications until we find substitutes for these also.

The environmental movement has been co-opted by the radical, socialist left and is strangling every effort to achieve any kind of self sufficiency.

Their agenda is NOT about saving the planet, it's about controlling it.
wardogs

I have often pondered the unexplored link between big oil and well-funded environmental groups -- it would be in big oil's interest to keep domestic oil off-line, wherever and whenever possible -- BTW, I perceive big oil to be an international troika of big government, big energy and central banks -- not merely an oil company or three.

I think that we can all agree that the lack of a official national energy policy is indicative of a short-circuiting of such by international monied interests that do NOT wish the U.S.A to become energy independent, and who have influenced energy policy directives to the advantage of the few, and at GREAT expense of the many, imperiling our future in the process.


intothegoodnight
 

Wardogs

Deceased
I think that we can all agree that the lack of a official national energy policy is indicative of a short-circuiting of such by international monied interests that do NOT wish the U.S.A to become energy independent, and who have influenced energy policy directives to the advantage of the few, and at GREAT expense of the many, imperiling our future in the process.
intothegoodnight

On that we ARE in complete agreement...

The mechanism of that "short circuiting" has been the congress and very powerful environmental groups, virtually ALL of which are radical left.
wardogs
 
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