HEALTH BREAKING NEWS: Anonymous Doctor Releases Treatment for the Ebola Virus

[Hacker]

I'm not personally vouching for this because I don't know enough to know if it will actually work. Nonetheless, I think it's important to put out here for all to see.

Fair Use . . .

http://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/2014/08/04/breaking-news-anonymous-doctor-releases-treatment-for-the-ebola-virus/

The treatment for Ebola, along with accompanying MOA (Method Of Action) has been sent to this web site.

Jim Stone, August 1, 2014

This is a lengthy article, DO NOT SURFACE READ. The actual treatment for ebola which will virtually eliminate fatalities, as revealed by a doctor who has worked with ebola, is below.

Consider this: The elite would never release a plague without an easy cure, and along with this ebola outbreak an American biowarfare firm has been working in Sierra Leon for the last five years. Google that. Sierra Leon has actually identified them as the perpetrators of this outbreak and kicked them out of the country. There is absolutely no doubt this outbreak was intentionally caused by the U.S. war department.

And if it is intentional, a cure is known. There would simply be no other way to do business.

Here is the treatment, complete with MOA. This is a treatment and not a cure, your immune system wipes out the virus, and the treatment gives your immune system time to do it. Here is what Ebola does that is fatal: It causes the complete removal of all vitamin C from the body. No one actually knows what mechanism is involved in doing this, other than a malfunction that is not permanently destructive to whatever is triggered to remove all vitamin C. All the researchers know is that vitamin C drops to zero and all the symptoms of ebola are consistent with a complete loss of vitamin C.

How do I know this? A doctor who has remained anonymous and has worked with ebola victims has discovered this and sent it to this web site, at last check this cannot be googled which confirms this doctor did not just copy paste, SO POST IT EVERYWHERE; GET THIS OUT THERE, THE TREATMENT FOR EBOLA WHICH WILL PREVENT DEATH IS KNOWN AND THIS IS AN EMERGENCY REQUEST FOR MY READERS TO SPREAD THIS INFO AND STOP THIS EBOLA ATTACK IN ITS TRACKS.

From an anonymous doctor:

Summary:

“The very first symptoms of ebola are exactly the same as scurvy, which is caused by inadequate vitamin C. Though scurvy is seldom fatal as a primary condition, scurvy also represents only a partial deficiency of vitamin C, the body still has a LOT of vitamin C compared to zero, which ebola causes. Absent ANY vitamin C, blood vessels become very weak and start to lose blood, and platelets become ineffective and unable to trigger clots. So death by ebola is caused by massive internal bleeding and loss of blood, which can be stopped simply by taking enormous doses of vitamin C until the immune system succeeds in killing off the virus.”

Begin text:

Ebola is probably the best known of a class of viruses known as hemorrhagic fever viruses. In fact, Ebola virus was initially recognized in 1976. Other less known but related viral syndromes include yellow fever, dengue hemorrhagic fever, Rift Valley fever, Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever, Kyasanur Forest disease, Omsk hemorrhagic fever, hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome, Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, Venezuelan hemorrhagic fever, Brazilian hemorrhagic fever, Argentine hemorrhagic fever, Bolivian hemorrhagic fever, and Lassa fever. The Ebola virus infection, also known as African hemorrhagic fever, has the distinction of having the highest case-fatality rate of the viral infections noted above, ranging from 53% to 88%.

These viral hemorrhagic fever syndromes share certain clinical features. The Cecil Textbook of Medicine notes that these diseases are characterized by capillary fragility, which translates to easy bleeding, that can frequently lead to severe shock and death. These diseases also tend to consume and/or destroy the platelets, which play an integral role in blood clotting. The clinical presentation of these viral diseases is similar to scurvy, which is also characterized by capillary fragility and a tendency to bleed easily. Characteristic skin lesions develop, which are actually multiple tiny areas of bleeding into the skin that surround the hair follicles. some cases even include bleeding into already healed scars.

In the classic form of scurvy that evolves very slowly from the gradual depletion of vitamin C body stores, the immune system will be sufficiently compromised for infection to claim the patient’s life before the extensive hemorrhage that occurs after all vitamin C stores have been completely exhausted. Ebola virus and the other viral hemorrhagic fevers are much more likely to cause hemorrhaging before any other fatal infection has a chance to become established. This is because the virus so rapidly and totally metabolizes and consumes all available vitamin C in the bodies of the victims that an advanced stage of scurvy is literally produced after only a few days of the disease.

The scurvy is so complete that the blood vessels generally cannot keep from hemorrhaging long enough to allow an infective complication to develop. Also, the viral hemorrhagic fevers typically only take hold and reach epidemic proportions in those populations that would already be expected to have low body stores of vitamin C, such as is found in many of the severely malnourished Africans. In such individuals, an infecting hemorrhagic virus will often wipe out any remaining vitamin C stores before the immune systems can get the upper hand and initiate recovery. When the vitamin C stores are rapidly depleted by large infecting doses of an aggressive virus, the immune system gets similarly depleted and compromised. However, this point is largely academic after hemorrhaging throughout the body has begun.

To date, no viral infection has been demonstrated to be resistant to the proper dosing of vitamin C as classically demonstrated by Klenner. However, not all viruses have been treated with Klenner-sized vitamin C doses, or at least the results have not been published. Ebola viral infection and the other acute viral hemorrhagic fevers appear to be diseases that fall into this category. Because of the seemingly exceptional ability of these viruses to rapidly deplete vitamin C stores, even larger doses of vitamin C would likely be required in order to effectively reverse and eventually cure infections caused by these viruses.

Cathcart (1981), who introduced the concept of bowel tolerance to vitamin C discussed earlier, hypothesized that Ebola and the other acute viral hemorrhagic fevers may well require 500,000 mg of vitamin C daily to reach bowel tolerance! Whether this estimate is accurate, it seems clear as evidenced by the scurvy-like clinical manifestations of these infections that vitamin C dosing must be vigorous and given in extremely high doses. If the disease seems to be winning, then even more vitamin C should be given until symptoms begin to lessen. Obviously, these are viral diseases that would absolutely require high doses of vitamin C intravenously as the initial therapy. The oral administration should begin simultaneously, but the intravenous route should not be abandoned until the clinical response is complete. Death occurs too quickly with the hemorrhagic fevers to be conservative when dosing the vitamin C. (from Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, and Toxins:Curing the Incurable by Thomas E. Levy MD JD)

MY COMMENT: I may not be a doctor, but I am awful good with medical topics, and this rings 100 percent true, IT IS THE MOA which if combined with some of my medical knowledge, such as the fact that Broccoli is absolutely excellent for assisting the clotting of blood, that the active component of Noni (which is in pineapple juice) is strongly anti viral, and that cures such as colloidal silver, while good for bacterial infections does nothing for viruses, combine some real knowledge with what this doctor says and it is highly probable that Ebola can be shrugged off as a mild case of scurvy.

Beware the current Colloidal Silver psy op, the actual cure for Ebola has been given to this web site.

Colloidal silver is great stuff, and I have made gallons from a 1 ounce silver bar myself. It works great for curing BACTERIAL infections and making water safe to drink without the nasty taste of iodine. HOWEVER, COLLOIDAL SILVER WILL DO NOTHING AGAINST VIRUSES, AND HUGE LIES ARE BEING HATCHED RIGHT NOW TO MISGUIDE PEOPLE TO A FALSE EBOLA CURE AND THE ALTERNATIVE MEDIA IS LAPPING IT UP

All curative agents have a mode of action, or MOA. And if anyone posting medical cures does not know the MOA, they have no idea what they are talking about. Colloidal silver has an MOA that has been known for many decades, yet recently Google has been rigged to bury it with only articles stating “the MOA is being explored and we think it is ___(then disinfo)” and there has to be a reason why this is being done right now, at this point in time with Ebola running amok.

Here is how colloidal silver actually works (its MOA), with first an example: Colloidal silver is to bacteria what cyanide is for all red blooded organisms. In red blooded organisms, cyanide binds with hemoglobin in place of oxygen, and makes it impossible for blood to carry oxygen. With enough cyanide, oxygen starvation via cyanide bonded hemoglobin causes death.

Colloidal silver does the same for bacteria, it binds with the oxygen carriers in bacteria permanently, causing bacteria to quickly die from oxygen starvation. This is the MOA for colloidal silver, which has been clearly known practically forever.
VIRUSES HAVE NO METABOLIC PROCESSES WHICH REQUIRE AN OXYGEN CARRIER, AND THEREFORE COLLOIDAL SILVER WILL BE COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE AGAINST EBOLA, do not let the misinformed in the alternative media fool you by saying colloidal silver is effective against viruses in any way, colloidal silver is only useful for treating secondary bacterial infections that move in after a preceeding viral infection and in the case of ebola, there is not enough time for that to make a difference.

It is extremely important to note that a HUGE psy op is underway to fake colloidal silver as a cure for viruses and there HAS TO BE A REASON, DO NOT FALL FOR IT.

WW~Notes: FORWARD THIS TO EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ben Sunday]

The doctor in question is Thomas Levy. This was posted as a news release by Dr Levy on another board last night. It is gone today.

I'm not amused that innocent, frightened and poorly informed folks may be all too willing to gamble their lives based upon reports like this.

Would a legitimate item bear the ubiquitous "Forward this to Everyone" cattle brand?

just sayin

 

[DHR43]

Thanks, Hacker, for this refreshing article. The vitamin C slant makes sense, although will be completely and totally discounted here.

I don't agree with the colloidal silver conclusion, however, based on what I know, or believe I know. And CS will be completely and totally discounted here, too.

Cures do not encourage or support doom, and will be unwelcome.

 

[Bubble Head]

Thanks for bringing this up Hacker. Viruses are deadly but they themselves are sometimes very fragile and operate within a small range of environmental issues . Large doses of vitamin C may in fact help. It does help with the common cold virus and others. Charcoal taken during the flu is a know cure for dehydration through diarrhea. The charcoal does not stop the virus but it absorbs the toxins that cause the problems of the virus thereby relieving the diarrhea and loss of body fluids. I was wonder about using cayenne pepper since it is a clouting agent. Could help internally and has worked on ulcers.

 

[Uhhmmm...]

The spread of Ebola in African cities has been abetted by those who lose faith in the medical system and seek treatment form magic-men in the countryside. One might hope that Americans would not be prone to this fallacy, but one would be wrong.

 

[frazbo]

This article is referring to Liposomal Vit C, not what you get in the drug store as a supplement or eating an orange. Linus Pauling, Riordan Clinic, etc. will help in distinguishing the difference between the two.

 

[Hfcomms]

If you have Ebola your probably going to die anyway so what is the harm in this approach? Vitamin C is water soluble and whatever the body can't absorb is flushed out with the urine. I was thinking while reading this though that very few people would have access to intravenous ascorbic acid in the event of an outbreak. On a purely layman's level what the author is saying makes 'sense' as the virus certainly mimics the symptomatology of someone who is extremely low on vitamin C as easy hemorrhaging is a mark of low vitamin C levels. If Blizzard sees this he might want to chime in. Does sound like snake oil but if I thought I was going to die anyway I'd probably try it.

 

[Reasonable Rascal]

I just amazes me that every time we are seemingly faced with some world-ending plague some anonymous doctor, or some doctor long dead, just happens to have a sure-fire cure that is being repressed. Remember the cream of tartar cures smallpox claim made on this board a few years back? The cure of course had been discovered back in the early 1900's by some doc since then well deceased.

If the typical responses on this forum are any indication, all one has to do to validate any quack is to claim the information is being repressed because either the PTB want a huge die-off (while they sit in isolated bunkers eating Kobe beef and drinking cognac) or the big pharma people can't make any money off of the amazingly simple "cure."

For every person on this board who exhibits true critical thinking skills there are at least two members of the pitchforks and torches crowd. To them anything that is NOT a conspiracy is automatically suspicious in nature.

RR

 

[Jonas Parker]

If you have Ebola your probably going to die anyway so what is the harm in this approach? Vitamin C is water soluble and whatever the body can't absorb is flushed out with the urine. I was thinking while reading this though that very few people would have access to intravenous ascorbic acid in the event of an outbreak. On a purely layman's level what the author is saying makes 'sense' as the virus certainly mimics the symptomatology of someone who is extremely low on vitamin C as easy hemorrhaging is a mark of low vitamin C levels. If Blizzard sees this he might want to chime in. Does sound like snake oil but if I thought I was going to die anyway I'd probably try it.

The Vitamin C approach sounds logical to me. I'll be looking for more information on this...

 

[Sleeping Cobra]

Anonymous Doctor Releases Treatment for the Ebola Virus

These words stood out.

 

[Moggy]

Thanks for posting this, Hacker. If I remember rightly, Vitamin C only stays in the body for four hours.

 

[subnet]

If you have Ebola your probably going to die anyway so what is the harm in this approach? Vitamin C is water soluble and whatever the body can't absorb is flushed out with the urine. I was thinking while reading this though that very few people would have access to intravenous ascorbic acid in the event of an outbreak. On a purely layman's level what the author is saying makes 'sense' as the virus certainly mimics the symptomatology of someone who is extremely low on vitamin C as easy hemorrhaging is a mark of low vitamin C levels. If Blizzard sees this he might want to chime in. Does sound like snake oil but if I thought I was going to die anyway I'd probably try it.

Sounds about right..anyone ever try finding a Dr that is willing to give the Vit C shots, much less an intro type??? Lol, good luck with that endeavor. I would try it "if available" as well, if I were infected.

 

[PyratePrincess]

This was brought up on another forum, and I'll add my .02 here as well. YMMV.

1. I believe our gov't outlawed (or at least made much more difficult to buy/sell) High dose vitamin C IV's. (anything that works FOR you, the FDA is opposed to).

2. I've had some second hand experience with High Dose IV's in the treatment of cancer. One of my chemo buddies was losing her battle via the standard route-and she found a doctor who did these injections. This was is 2008/2009. She's still walking around today-which is more than the traditional oncologists predicted.

3. You CANNOT get enough vitamin C into your system by swallowing pills. Period. You have to have something like 500,000ICU at a time. That's 5-10,000 pills in a few hours. Past about 250-you pee out the rest. That's why it HAS to be done via an IV.

4. I BELIEVE there are some cancer clinics in Mexico (maybe Canada too) that will routinely do this. If you are seriously considering this-I'd do your homework now.

Sorry folks-but you know what is said: "if's it sounds too good to be true..."

 

[packyderms_wife]

The spread of Ebola in African cities has been abetted by those who lose faith in the medical system and seek treatment form magic-men in the countryside. One might hope that Americans would not be prone to this fallacy, but one would be wrong.

Being easily swayed by a snake oil salesman isn't based upon geographical, financial, religious, or political leanings, but rather is a part of the human condition.

If it sounds too good to be true it most probably is.

K-

 

[TerryK]

Interesting idea.

But do the math. 500,000mg of Vitamin C is over a pound of ascorbic acid.
Let me know about the first person who is able to take that into their body without dying.

 

[Hacker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeU--wadrMY

Uploaded on Mar 30, 2010

http://lifevantage.com/8aloha This method of making your own LIPOSOMAL ENCAPSULATED VITAMIN C enables individuals to have the effectiveness of Intravenous Vitamin C for a price that that equates to pennies on a dollar. Avoids that experience of diarrhea when one takes Vit C in pill form. Recently I had a toothache, about 4-5/10 pain, took Lip. Vit C, pain was gone next day.

re-posted from Brooks Bradley, process inventor
Dear List Members, I have been somewhat remiss in not supplying additional information which might make prosecuting an acceptable generation process....somewhat easier. To that end, I offer a few elaborating comments. First, using some form of blender to enhance/accelerate the process is perfectly acceptable....and effective. However, one must understand the limitations of using this modality. To wit: Because the entire encapsulation process is, essentially, a refined homogenization process the researcher is bound within the limits of the chosen process....itself. e.g. Using a blender in the early stages of the ultrasonic type protocol, places a limit (especially particle size) on the resultant compounds. As a general rule, the smallest liposomes achievable...are going to be larger than 150 nm in size—-even after extensive agitating. Therefore, if smaller particles are desired.....some procedure must be invoked to achieve this. Ultrasonic energy is an excellent way to achieve this. Ultrasonic energy applied to solutions having, previously, been mixed using mechanical blenders (of the household type) will improve the encapsulation process greatly (sometimes as much as an order of magnitude) through the immediate size reduction of the encapsulated particle size. Additionally, both power levels and exposure time experienced from the US energy......have a pronounced effect on the end product. e.g. simply by extending the time exposed to the US energy will yield a product with a majority of particles of a markedly reduced physical size (sometimes by more than one-half). Also, by increasing the power spectral density [energy delivered to the target], considerable size and complexity reduction may be achieved. (Sometimes from larger, multiple-layered liposomes, down to single-layered liposomes of much smaller size).This one characteristic, alone, should justify the selection of the larger US unit over the smaller one....as the larger US power level output is much higher. The way to capitalize on this advantage is to limit the depth of the parent solution in the larger US unit, to 3/4″ to 1″. Because the distance from the US energy! source and the mass of the target material DOES, in fact, have a powerful effect on the delivered energy. Direct visual observation alone, will confirm the powerful increase in cavitations (energy field) of the liquid medium. This type innovation will yield effects that in some cases....challenge the results of laboratory-grade, high pressure (over 3000 psi) impact plate systems.....costing $10,000 and up. What most commercial producers (and labs) do, is they RECIRCULATE their candidate solutions.....in order to achieve smaller—-and more isolated—-end products. By extending your exposure time, using shallow solutions, DIYs can...in many cases, actually challenge, to some degree, the levels accomplished by
these very high dollar commercial machines.....using their own DIY homemade systems. Someone asked the question...does pre-agitation via blending devices damage or compromise the candidate solutions. The short answer is NO. Almost any type of agitation aids in the homogenization process. I have some descriptive information relative to the use of blending devices, which may prove of use to the list membership, but I must go at this time. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

There is granular sunflower lecithin (google it ) also available for those not wanting to use soy lecithin.

= = = = = = = =

This is more info taken from halfpasthuman.com:

EBOLA CURE: Solid info herein. Chyawanprash (ayurveda product) is huge source of Vitamin C: Do NOT rely on collodial silver. It does not get past saliva/stomach.

Article on cause of death from ebola and simple treatment.
from internet buddy:

Saw your link about Vitamin C and ebola. Makes sense. We have already ratcheted up our vitamin C intake and making Liposomal.

By coating the C grains with lecithin using a cheap ultrasonic jewelry cleaner (actually we have a professional big expensive one of those, too...may come in handy), you can increase the absorption into body cells of vitamin C by 500%, thus getting useful doses before bringing on the unpleasant GI effects. This is being done by cancer patients. If you have read much about Vit C, the therapeutic doses can quickly run into double and even triple digits of grams per day. Tough to get orally.

Here is a link to a youtube where a doctor in Hawaii demonstrates the process we use:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeU--wadrMY

If we had to take huge doses, would add baking soda, there are other videos which have that -- but it tastes gaack !! Still, you do what you have to do and it's cheap and readily available.

Best greetings to Kathy and your inlaws and outlaws, as we say in Idaho as nearly everything a person did to survive 50 years ago is now illegal here.

 

[summerthyme]

Why can't people put information out in printed form, without having to make a damned video about it?! Doesn't anyone read anymore?

Summerthyme

 

[Hacker]

I've had a few instances where Western medicine turned out to be a complete failure. Of these instances, 1) western medicine had no remedy, 2) western medicine recommended surgery, and 3) western medicine recommended massive pain and nerve pain medicine.

For these instances, I found alternative treatments that were completely and wholly effective. Thus, I long ago came to the conclusion that western medicine is much more concerned with feathering their own nest than providing an acual cure.

 

[NoPlugsNM]

As a doctor, I can tell you that vitamin C does what Dr. Thomas Levy claims with respect to Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome. Here in New Mexico we DO have problems with Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome. We have had members of a household where someone has come down with Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome NOT come down with it, and the only difference that existed was that the household members were taking vitamin C and the patient/victim was not. WE have seen infection numbers decline in prone areas where people have added vitamin C to their diets with supplementation of vitamin C. Of those areas here in New Mexico that seem to be prone to outbreaks of Hantavirus and they seem to be more of a seasonal event as well. I recommend to all my patients who reside in those areas that they take vitamin C, and in particular the ESTER-C supplement. I do not recommend taking it to a high level of bowel tolerance, a normal level to me appears to be appropriate. Taking the ESTER-C at what would be considered a normal daily dose will correct deficiencies and bring you up to the level needed for good pulmonary health. I have seen a ton of information about patients with what you could easily call severe scurvy regain good health after following suggested normal doses of the ESTER-C supplement.

I normally do not comment on this kind and similar kinds of these discussions. I find myself compelled to make the comment I have made because I do believe this to be good, correct information regarding a sound preventative action you can take, and that will benefit you in many ways in the overall of your state of health. I will not debate my statement with anyone here, I have said what I have said and it's my bottom line of how I see vitamin C helping with hemorrhages, since it does help. I feel Dr. Levy called this correct with regard to vitamin C deficiencies and how those deficiencies DO make you much more vulnerable to contraction of hemorrhagic viruses when exposed to them. Take it or leave it, your choice to do so. The product I mentioned is the best product on the market, I spent quite a bit of time years ago in the 90's looking for the best product I could find that was perfect in it's composition/design for people to use, I use it myself, and have been using it since the 90's on a daily basis. I am not giving a professional opinion, all of what I have said is reflective of what I have seen, observed, and heard from many people living here in New Mexico. Through many years of using vitamin C in my own health care regime, I found the ESTER-C to be the only product that did what it said, my personal experience with it has kept me using it all this time.


NP

 

[NoName]

As a doctor, I can tell you that vitamin C does what Dr. Thomas Levy claims with respect to Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome. Here in New Mexico we DO have problems with Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome. We have had members of a household where someone has come down with Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome NOT come down with it, and the only difference that existed was that the household members were taking vitamin C and the patient/victim was not. WE have seen infection numbers decline in prone areas where people have added vitamin C to their diets with supplementation of vitamin C. Of those areas here in New Mexico that seem to be prone to outbreaks of Hantavirus and they seem to be more of a seasonal event as well. I recommend to all my patients who reside in those areas that they take vitamin C, and in particular the ESTER-C supplement. I do not recommend taking it to a high level of bowel tolerance, a normal level to me appears to be appropriate. Taking the ESTER-C at what would be considered a normal daily dose will correct deficiencies and bring you up to the level needed for good pulmonary health. I have seen a ton of information about patients with what you could easily call severe scurvy regain good health after following suggested normal doses of the ESTER-C supplement.

I normally do not comment on this kind and similar kinds of these discussions. I find myself compelled to make the comment I have made because I do believe this to be good, correct information regarding a sound preventative action you can take, and that will benefit you in many ways in the overall of your state of health. I will not debate my statement with anyone here, I have said what I have said and it's my bottom line of how I see vitamin C helping with hemorrhages, since it does help. I feel Dr. Levy called this correct with regard to vitamin C deficiencies and how those deficiencies DO make you much more vulnerable to contraction of hemorrhagic viruses when exposed to them. Take it or leave it, your choice to do so. The product I mentioned is the best product on the market, I spent quite a bit of time years ago in the 90's looking for the best product I could find that was perfect in it's composition/design for people to use, I use it myself, and have been using it since the 90's on a daily basis. I am not giving a professional opinion, all of what I have said is reflective of what I have seen, observed, and heard from many people living here in New Mexico. Through many years of using vitamin C in my own health care regime, I found the ESTER-C to be the only product that did what it said, my personal experience with it has kept me using it all this time.


NP

Thanks for answering my question that I didn't have to ask.

 

[packyderms_wife]

Why can't people put information out in printed form, without having to make a damned video about it?! Doesn't anyone read anymore?

Summerthyme

Videos are popular because they can be monetized and make the person whose hosting the video gobs of money.

 

[Be Well]

Why can't people put information out in printed form, without having to make a damned video about it?! Doesn't anyone read anymore?

Summerthyme

YES!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Warthog]

Would that 500,000 of vitamin C be intravenous? If you took that much by mouth a day wouldn't you be shitting like a billy goat.

 

[China Connection]

Most viruses go when your system is clean with very low protein in circulation. So totally vegetarian and plenty of water. High mixed mineral intake and exercise to keep the lymphatic system on the go.

Oh, I am talking about if you think you have a virus not a normal diet.

 

[onetimer]

I just amazes me that every time we are seemingly faced with some world-ending plague some anonymous doctor, or some doctor long dead, just happens to have a sure-fire cure that is being repressed. Remember the cream of tartar cures smallpox claim made on this board a few years back? The cure of course had been discovered back in the early 1900's by some doc since then well deceased.

If the typical responses on this forum are any indication, all one has to do to validate any quack is to claim the information is being repressed because either the PTB want a huge die-off (while they sit in isolated bunkers eating Kobe beef and drinking cognac) or the big pharma people can't make any money off of the amazingly simple "cure."

For every person on this board who exhibits true critical thinking skills there are at least two members of the pitchforks and torches crowd. To them anything that is NOT a conspiracy is automatically suspicious in nature.

RR

BOOM NAILED IT!

Yes this forum has changed.

 

[Hfcomms]

As a doctor, I can tell you that vitamin C does what Dr. Thomas Levy claims with respect to Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome.

Thanks Doc,

I do various high quality supplements and have done so for quite a few years now. I'm in perfect health and never get sick. People can draw what kind of conclusions they wish. Problem for the pharma industry is that there just isn't a lot of money to be made from various natural supplements and therapies. Folks are quick to dismiss anything that doesn't have a big price tag in a pill or shot that their physician has prescribed. I'd rather front load and avoid getting sick in the first place if possible and if not at least maintain my immune system to be as sharp as possible. Whether or not high doses of VitC would help is open to conjecture and debate. But if I began to be symptomatic and had it on hand I certainly wouldn't hesitate to take something that isn't considered toxic in high doses. Obviously I wouldn't reject out of hand various medicines for maladies but I'd try the natural route with most illnesses first. Do your own research, take responsibility for your own health and well being. I like that.

 

[Flippper]

Sounds about right..anyone ever try finding a Dr that is willing to give the Vit C shots, much less an intro type??? Lol, good luck with that endeavor. I would try it "if available" as well, if I were infected.

I know of an office in Spokane that does-it's where I met a woman who beat her cancer death sentence by using vitamin c intravenously. It may work for Ebola as I recall when people wanted to prevent the flu or lessen symptoms the would load up on vitamin c.

Y'all remember there was a thread here about making your own liposomal vitamin c, right? It's cheap and easy.

Most viruses are killed by ionic colloidal silver regardless of what the op says. It also neutralizes poison ivy rash and blisters within an hour. Wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.

 

[SAPPHIRE]

"...have faith in doctors......" LOL..........never will have "faith " in doctors but faith in God's own medicine chest.......which the Big Pharma cannot truly patent and make mega $$$$ from my death.......

I read of an Austrailian man who had H1N1 and the family had to have a court injunction to make the hospital at least try intravenous Vit. C........it was working so they cut his dosage...and the wife/family had to sit with him 24/7 in order to feed him liposomal Vit. C and make sure the doc's didn't remove his IV..........it's somewere on youtube and I read it also...the guy lived to recuperate.....

I'd rather do something alternative than give my body over to any big Pharm synthetic syringe of junk...............if I had the choice.

I was told years ago that a certaing conditon had "no cure" and I must take a prescriptive drug forever............sheesh.........I cried, prayed, and researched till I found a combo of natural nutritional helpers and THANK GOD I don't need Pharma's blankety-blank crap..................

 

[bluelady]

From the little I know it sure seems to make sense. If I'm understanding it correctly he's not saying that it kills the Ebola virus, but that it strengthens capillary walls so you don't bleed out while your body fights off the virus. Or, I would presume, while giving other treatments a chance to work, such as were tried on the two Americans. As for colloidal silver, I don't know how it would work for a virus. However, each person's physical condition will be different and complex. At the very least it might eliminate some lurking undiagnosed infection that could be bringing down a person's strength. Also secondary infections from compromised tissue could set in quickly. C is also antibiotic, but IDK if it works differently from colloidal silver, so I'd be trying all of the above and more. If ever there was a time to bring out all the big guns, unless they cancelled each other out, this would surely be the time.

ETA: I can say from experience, and I believe this was mentioned in the article, that if your body has a big need for C your bowel tolerance will be that much greater, because your body is using all that it needs and only excreting what it can't use.

 

[Countrymouse]

As a doctor, I can tell you that vitamin C does what Dr. Thomas Levy claims with respect to Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome. Here in New Mexico we DO have problems with Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome. We have had members of a household where someone has come down with Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome NOT come down with it, and the only difference that existed was that the household members were taking vitamin C and the patient/victim was not. WE have seen infection numbers decline in prone areas where people have added vitamin C to their diets with supplementation of vitamin C. Of those areas here in New Mexico that seem to be prone to outbreaks of Hantavirus and they seem to be more of a seasonal event as well. I recommend to all my patients who reside in those areas that they take vitamin C, and in particular the ESTER-C supplement. I do not recommend taking it to a high level of bowel tolerance, a normal level to me appears to be appropriate. Taking the ESTER-C at what would be considered a normal daily dose will correct deficiencies and bring you up to the level needed for good pulmonary health. I have seen a ton of information about patients with what you could easily call severe scurvy regain good health after following suggested normal doses of the ESTER-C supplement.

I normally do not comment on this kind and similar kinds of these discussions. I find myself compelled to make the comment I have made because I do believe this to be good, correct information regarding a sound preventative action you can take, and that will benefit you in many ways in the overall of your state of health. I will not debate my statement with anyone here, I have said what I have said and it's my bottom line of how I see vitamin C helping with hemorrhages, since it does help. I feel Dr. Levy called this correct with regard to vitamin C deficiencies and how those deficiencies DO make you much more vulnerable to contraction of hemorrhagic viruses when exposed to them. Take it or leave it, your choice to do so. The product I mentioned is the best product on the market, I spent quite a bit of time years ago in the 90's looking for the best product I could find that was perfect in it's composition/design for people to use, I use it myself, and have been using it since the 90's on a daily basis. I am not giving a professional opinion, all of what I have said is reflective of what I have seen, observed, and heard from many people living here in New Mexico. Through many years of using vitamin C in my own health care regime, I found the ESTER-C to be the only product that did what it said, my personal experience with it has kept me using it all this time.


NP

Thank you, No Plugs. I have always found your opinions to be solid and not emotionally-driven, so given the very fact that you ARE one of the (to me, sometimes exasperating) people who doesn't quickly jump on any bandwagons and who has a certified "Show Me" badge from the state of Missouri, I take this very seriously.


This whole thread is...odd....because just the other day, as I was reading all the Ebola threads, the thought kept coming to me..."maybe Vitamin C would help?"---and that wasn't even on the radar 3 or so days ago. Women's intuition? God whispering in my heart? I don't know, I'm just sayin' that's what happened...

Can you, NoPlugsNM, speak to the earlier comment that is HAS to be "lipsosomal" Vitamin C (am I correct that that refers to fat-soluble rather than water-soluble?) and what your opinion is of how to procure / make that?

 

[Countrymouse]

I know of an office in Spokane that does-it's where I met a woman who beat her cancer death sentence by using vitamin c intravenously. It may work for Ebola as I recall when people wanted to prevent the flu or lessen symptoms the would load up on vitamin c.

Y'all remember there was a thread here about making your own liposomal vitamin c, right? It's cheap and easy.

Most viruses are killed by ionic colloidal silver regardless of what the op says. It also neutralizes poison ivy rash and blisters within an hour. Wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.

Got that thread link, Flippper? You know our search engine isn't worth.....

 

[JF&P]

A word of warning.

40 years ago I was an advocate of Dr Linus Pauling and at one time my daily C intake was above 12000 iu....then I stopped doing it.

Then, about 10 years ago, I tried starting up the high dosage of C again and wound up in the hospital, Kidney stones.

Ramp up your C intake slowly so your body gets used to it.

 

[cjoi]

Thanks NoPlugsNM for outlining your professional experience with lung health an vitamin C. It was good of you to weigh in on this thread.

 

[Garryowen]

Interesting idea.

But do the math. 500,000mg of Vitamin C is over a pound of ascorbic acid.
Let me know about the first person who is able to take that into their body without dying.

'Is it possible tohave a vitamin c overdose?
No such thing unless . . .
In general vitamin c is extremely safe and non-toxic and you can not overdose, in the sense of taking a quantity that would damage your health.
There is a limit to how much you can absorb, and when this amount is exceeded you won't absorb any more and it will act as a laxative.The exception is people who have a hereditary g6pd deficiency, in which high doses of IV vit c can cause hemolytic anemia.'

https://www.healthtap.com/topics/vitamin-c-overdose-death

I have taken a lot of vit. C when sick. A couple of grams per hour is not particularly a "lot." Linus Pauling claimed he routinely took 12 grams or more daily. The easiest way is to take vit C powder and mix it in orange juice. One tsp would give you about 5 grams in a glass of juice.

 

[Caplock50]

I've done the research and have ordered up a batch of blackberry leaf tincture. And, in my research, I discovered that raspberry leaf tincture does the same as the blackberry. One of the things that kills Ebola victims is them 'bleeding out'. Well, that's exactly what those 2 tinctures fight against. They both are used to fight internal and external (excessive)bleeding.

 

[Caplock50]

Here's a link and a snippet...

http://www.herbalextractsplus.com/blackberry-leaf.html

Beneficial Uses:
Blackberry Leaf is known mainly as a potent astringent that has been used for centuries to control hemorrhaging when used both internally and externally. It has been effective in cases of hemophilia, bleeding from the rectum or mouth, uterine hemorrhage, bleeding gums and excessive menstrual flow.

Further supporting its reputation as a strong astringent, Blackberry helps to treat diarrhea, dysentery, cholera, hemorrhoids and vomiting. It is also said to help drain sinuses and eliminate excess water from the system.

When used externally, Blackberry is used as a mouthwash for oral inflammation and thought to ease sore throat, mouth ulcers and gum inflammations, as well as a rinse for oily skin. It has also been included in poultices for the relief of wounds, insect bites, scalds, and to reduce the blistering of burns.

 

[frazbo]

I know of an office in Spokane that does-it's where I met a woman who beat her cancer death sentence by using vitamin c intravenously. It may work for Ebola as I recall when people wanted to prevent the flu or lessen symptoms the would load up on vitamin c.

Y'all remember there was a thread here about making your own liposomal vitamin c, right? It's cheap and easy.

Most viruses are killed by ionic colloidal silver regardless of what the op says. It also neutralizes poison ivy rash and blisters within an hour. Wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.

Thank you flippper for reiterating that it is "liposomal Vit C". You can make it yourself and you DRINK it, not getting it through an IV. You get much more vit c thru this method than taking a vit c capsule or pill...and without the overload on your system, cramps, diarrhea, etc. This is absorbed into your blood stream and does not sit in your stomach. I've just recently started taking Lip Vit C every day before breakfast and I have no stomach problems whatsoever. If I take a regular Vit C capsule, 500 mg, 30 mins later, I'm suffering terribly for the rest of the day.

This truly is a blessing for me. Still doing my homework on it. I got the things I needed to make this a few months ago wayyy before the topic of Ebola came up, so am doing my homework on the ebola aspect of it.

Remember this is the LIPOSOMAL VIT C, oral and not IV that should be looked in to.

 

[Reborn]

Thank you flippper for reiterating that it is "liposomal Vit C". You can make it yourself and you DRINK it, not getting it through an IV. You get much more vit c thru this method than taking a vit c capsule or pill...and without the overload on your system, cramps, diarrhea, etc. This is absorbed into your blood stream and does not sit in your stomach. I've just recently started taking Lip Vit C every day before breakfast and I have no stomach problems whatsoever. If I take a regular Vit C capsule, 500 mg, 30 mins later, I'm suffering terribly for the rest of the day.

This truly is a blessing for me. Still doing my homework on it. I got the things I needed to make this a few months ago wayyy before the topic of Ebola came up, so am doing my homework on the ebola aspect of it.

Remember this is the LIPOSOMAL VIT C, oral and not IV that should be looked in to.

Wow Frazbo, thanks for sharing. I hope someone finds that link so that we can make our own Liposomal Vit. C. I can't handle any kind of Vit. C tablets, capsules, etc because it always upsets my stomach. If you've had similar problems and you're able to tolerate this, then this sounds like it might work for me too.

 

[Countrymouse]

Thank you flippper for reiterating that it is "liposomal Vit C". You can make it yourself and you DRINK it, not getting it through an IV. You get much more vit c thru this method than taking a vit c capsule or pill...and without the overload on your system, cramps, diarrhea, etc. This is absorbed into your blood stream and does not sit in your stomach. I've just recently started taking Lip Vit C every day before breakfast and I have no stomach problems whatsoever. If I take a regular Vit C capsule, 500 mg, 30 mins later, I'm suffering terribly for the rest of the day.

This truly is a blessing for me. Still doing my homework on it. I got the things I needed to make this a few months ago wayyy before the topic of Ebola came up, so am doing my homework on the ebola aspect of it.

Remember this is the LIPOSOMAL VIT C, oral and not IV that should be looked in to.

Can ANYONE refer us to THAT THREAD? Or to WRITTEN instructions for producing the Liposomal Vitamin C?

 

[momma_soapmaker]

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1554530
Our vitamin C Liposomal encapsulation protocol is as follows:

Using a small (2 cup) ultrasonic cleaner, like the ones sold at Harbor Freight for around $30.00, we performed the following:

1. Dissolved 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of distilled water.

2. Dissolved 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (vitamin c) in half a cup of distilled water.

3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and turned the unit on. Using a plastic straw (leaving the top of the cleaner open) gently, slowly, stirred the contents. Note: The cleaner will automatically self-stop every 2 minutes. Just push the ON button to continue. Repeat for a total of 3 series or 6 minutes total. By that time the entire solution should be blended into a cloudy, homogeneous, milk-like mixture. The LET solution is now formed.

4. This protocol furnishes about 12 grams (1200 mg) of vitamin C product at 70% encapsulation efficiency or 8400 mg of the LET type. This solution will keep at room temperature for 3-4 days. Refrigerated, it will keep much longer.

The homogenizing effect is so powerful that after 3 days at room temperature, no precipitation of solution separation appears evident. This type of sequestered vitamin c has demonstrated to be at least 5 times more effective than any other form of orally ingested vitamin c that we tested. Additionally, it appears to be even more rapid in tissue-bed availability than intravenously applications. An astounding revelation to us!"

More details in formulating liposomal Vitamin C:

Sometimes a meniscus (layer) can form in the completed LET solution. This can occur if the ultrasonic process is not run long enough or too much lecithin has been added in relation to the available ascorbic acid fraction (if one is making Vit C LET). In such case, the meniscus will form on top in minutes after completing the ultrasonic cycle.

More commonly, a meniscus will form on the bottom part of the LET solution overnight in some instances. One needs to continually experiment and adjust volumes to achieve the perfect homogenized LET solution that will withstand meniscus layering. Even if this happens, the solution is quite valuable and usable. You will just have a layer of lecithin within the LET solution and that in itself is of medicinal value and should not be discarded. Feed it all!

Lecithin is slow in forming liposomes in aqueous solutions especially when one has not added correct amount ratios of lecithin to the pharmacological solution to be encapsulated.

It is often natural to find a gelatinous mass of unencapsulated Lecithin floating on top of your LET solution. The encapsulation process is affected by amount ratios, temperatures of the solutions, and concentrations of the components.

One can limit this unencapsulated lecithin layer by increasing the volume of the total water though this has a diluting effect in the combined solution and/or raising the temperature of the solution. Increasing the ultrasonic mixing cycle may also be of value.

It should be noted that once the saturation point has been reached in the solution, no amount of adjusting will cause the lecithin to continue to encapsulate.

The guiding line for the amateur LET processor is that it is far better to have a layer of unencapsulated lecithin than to produce a solution with too little, no matter how pretty the final solution may look.

Brooks Bradley's simple test to gauge LET efficiency of a liposomal Vitamin C solution:

1) Pour 4 ounces of the finished LET Vitamin C into a 12oz container.

2) Add 1/4 teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate into 1 oz of distilled water, stirring well.

3) Pour the sodium bicarbonate solution into the LET Vitamin C mixture, stirring.

Results: If the resulting foam reaction line from this mixture is .5" or less you will have approximately a 50% encapsulation rate of the raw ascorbic acid nanoparticles. If the foam is 3/8" or less you will have approximately 60% encapsulation. If the foam is 1/8" thick or less, you will have around 75% encapsulation.

Foam occurs when the unencapsulated Vit C reacts with the sodium bicarbonate which is added to produce sodium ascorbate. The liposome encapsulated Vit C will not react. Thus, the less foam, the more Vit C is encapsulated and the more efficient went your process. By the way, this test solution should not be discarded as it is still valuable as a medicinal! The formed sodium ascorbate is a very useable form of Vitamin C.
Further useful tips from DaddyBob and Steve N. of the CS list: For best encapsulation efficiency, blend both the lecithin and your encapsulation solution very well, with a blender, magnetic shaker, or by pure mechanical shaking, until you see no granules or other large debris in solution—then place in the ultrasonic cleaner chamber. At least the use of a common kitchen blender is to be urged for pretreatment of solutions prior to ultrasonic process.

Brooks Bradley writes on this above suggestion:

"First, using some form of blender to enhance/accelerate the process is perfectly acceptable and effective. However, one must understand the limitations of using this modality. To wit: Because the entire encapsulation process is, essentially, a refined homogenization process the researcher is bound within the limits of the chosen process, itself; Using a blender in the early stages of the ultrasonic type protocol, places a limit (especially particle size) on the resultant compounds.

As a general rule, the smallest liposomes achievable are going to be larger than 150 nm in size----even after extensive agitating. Therefore, if smaller particles are desired--some procedure must be invoked to achieve this.

Ultrasonic energy is an excellent way to achieve this. Ultrasonic energy applied to solutions having, previously been mixed using mechanical blenders (household type) will improve the encapsulation process greatly (sometimes as much as an order of magnitude) through the immediate size reduction of the encapsulated particle size.

Additionally, both power levels and exposure time experienced from the ultrasonic energy have a pronounced effect on the end product: e.g. simply by extending the time exposed to the ultrasonic energy will yield a product with a majority of particles of a markedly reduced physical size (sometimes by more than one-half).

Also, by increasing the power spectral density [energy delivered to the target], considerable size and complexity reduction may be achieved (sometimes from larger, multiple-layered liposomes, down to single-layered liposomes of much smaller size). This one characteristic, alone should justify the selection of the larger ultrasonic unit over the smaller one as the larger ultrasonic power level output is much higher.

The way to capitalize on this advantage is to limit the depth of the parent solution in the larger ultrasonic unit to 3/4"- 1" deep. Because the distance from the ultrasonic energy source and the mass of the target material DOES, in fact, have a powerful effect on the delivered energy.

Direct visual observation alone will confirm the powerful increase in cavitations (energy field) of the liquid medium. This type of innovation will yield effects that in some cases challenge the results of laboratory-grade, high pressure (over 3000 psi) impact plate systems costing $10,000 and up.

What most commercial producers (and labs) do is they RECIRCULATE their candidate solutions in order to achieve smaller and more isolated end products.

By extending your exposure time using shallow solutions, do-it-yourselfers can in many cases actually challenge the levels accomplished by these very high dollar commercial machines using their own do-it-yourself homemade systems.

Someone asked the question: does pre-agitation via kitchen blending devices damage or compromise the candidate solutions. The short answer is NO. Almost any type of agitation, aids in the homogenization process."