RACE Black Doctors and Pilots

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NCGirl

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One of my favorite doctors was a black man. I used to go to him when I was in my 20's. He was a great doctor. Listened to you, never rushed, seemed very competent, and just a really nice man. He's retired now.

But now, with the way things are, I would never go to a black doctor, and if I saw my pilot get on the plane and he was black, I would deboard and wait for the next flight. No way am I putting my life on the line with a doctor or pilot that may or not be qualified, but just passed through school and given the position just because he/she had the "right" skin tone. Maybe if he was 50+ I might be willing to go with them, but definitely not a younger, most likely diversity hire. Sad for the good, hard working and intelligent young black men and women who have earned it. But how am I to know which is which?

Is this just me? Am I wrong to feel this way?


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NCGirl said:
One of my favorite doctors was a black man. I used to go to him when I was in my 20's. He was a great doctor. Listened to you, never rushed, seemed very competent, and just a really nice man. He's retired now.

But now, with the way things are, I would never go to a black doctor, and if I saw my pilot get on the plane and he was black, I would deboard and wait for the next flight. No way am I putting my life on the line with a doctor or pilot that may or not be qualified, but just passed through school and given the position just because he/she had the "right" skin tone. Maybe if he was 50+ I might be willing to go with them, but definitely not a younger, most likely diversity hire. Sad for the good, hard working and intelligent young black men and women who have earned it. But how am I to know which is which?

Is this just me? Am I wrong to feel this way?


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Well it sounds like you have figured it out.
Now, if everyone else would, this crap would stop.
maybe.
 
et2

et2

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Flying isn’t what it was decades ago. Too many morons on flights these days, lack of maintenance, lack of pilots … old aging out. A lot of close calls recently with pilots not listening to the tower and the tower making errors. Prices are ridiculous anymore. There will be much less flying in my future. Once retired … road trip.

Flying on planes anymore is like … cultural diversity in a tube.
 
Raggedyman

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NCGirl said:
Is this just me? Am I wrong to feel this way?
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its NOT just you. I can't speak to the issue of "pilots" but I can certainly address the other.

in the mid - late 80's there was a black general surgeon at FL Hospital with an incredibly poor infection record. was that bad technique or simply incompetence? WHO KNOWS? they final got rid of him but it required great effort to do so. on the other hand there was a black oncologist and a black cardiologist - both were EXCELLENT practitioners that no one hesitated to use.

I had black staff who were outstanding - in the office and out - but I also had black staff that were an effort to get rid of requiring careful documentation in order to avoid the potential of being sued for discrimination. the easiest answer was simply to AVOID hiring them to begin with

I won't disagree that its wrong to paint every member of a group with a specific label - be that the "dumb blonde" the "Italian mafiosi" or the "welfare crack whore" - but - I will aslo definitely agree that STEREOTYPES EXIST FOR A REASON.
 
Bad Hand

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Many years ago my BIL's dad was a Texaco VP at the time when affirmative action was just starting a Black woman applied for the job as a secretary he didn't hire her and he was sued. That fact that she couldn't type, file and could barely read didn't matter. He finally got the case dismissed but it was hard.
 
Southside

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Bad Hand said:
Many years ago my BIL's dad was a Texaco VP at the time when affirmative action was just starting a Black woman applied for the job as a secretary he didn't hire her and he was sued. That fact that she couldn't type, file and could barely read didn't matter. He finally got the case dismissed but it was hard.
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We finally(3 or so years ago) went out and got insurance to protect our company against such stupidity.
In case anyone has forgotten, 75% of my employees are black.

Just to add, the last loser that tried to exact "money for nothing" from our policy was white. Losers come in all flavors.
 
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bracketquant

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NCGirl said:
One of my favorite doctors was a black man. I used to go to him when I was in my 20's. He was a great doctor. Listened to you, never rushed, seemed very competent, and just a really nice man. He's retired now.

But now, with the way things are, I would never go to a black doctor, and if I saw my pilot get on the plane and he was black, I would deboard and wait for the next flight. No way am I putting my life on the line with a doctor or pilot that may or not be qualified, but just passed through school and given the position just because he/she had the "right" skin tone. Maybe if he was 50+ I might be willing to go with them, but definitely not a younger, most likely diversity hire. Sad for the good, hard working and intelligent young black men and women who have earned it. But how am I to know which is which?

Is this just me? Am I wrong to feel this way?


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How do you know which is which?

Four years of medical school and 3 to 7 years of residency in US schools and hospitals. Or, you could trust someone who went to school in Elbonia.
 
BadMedicine

BadMedicine

Would *I* Lie???
Bax333 said:
It's almost as if diversity is not our strength. Who could have known?
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Commie-radio, npr had a story a day or two ago with an obviously gtr (from speech patterns..) insect scientis talking baout how insects "are the most diverse, most successfull group out there with XXXXXXX species specializing..." and how diversity is theeir strength and humans could learn a lot from them. I'm thinking, uh yeah they specialize in different niches and STAY THEY HELL AWAY FROM EACH OTHER-except to eat each other. The diversity of entire genus' that DONT work together is a PRETTY DAMN GOOD ANALOGY for how it actuaally works NOW.. but nooooo she thinks that an example of "diversity" working together. total idiot.
 
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Melodi

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You can't tell by looking at a doctor if they are competent. I'm sure my classmate that was married worked the night shift as an orderly at the local hospital before attending class and getting above a 4.0 average (all deserved he was part of my informal "discussion group" in the Student Union where we solved all the problems in the world as young university students have done since Mesopotamia). Even with his punishing schedule, he made time for friendships and connections, knowing they were necessary for his mental health and future life.

We all celebrated by buying him coffee (we were all pretty broke) when he got a full scholarship to Harvard Medical School. Even he admitted he was "benefiting" from the new trends towards "Affirmative Action." While that helped, I'm sure he is a fine doctor today, and when I first saw Ben Carson and my husband said, "The Man may yet get a noble prize for his pioneering work in children's brain surgery," I thought of my old buddy that I hadn't seen in years.

If he's still around, I'm sure he is slowing down now, but like my Father-in-Law, I would expect him to practice medicine from his wheelchair until he is nearly 90.

I agree that most "affirmative action" isn't fair to anyone and leads to things like the bridge collapse in Florida. Designed by the minority women engineers that my engineering friends told me privately were hired because of an exercise in "box-ticking."

But it would help if everyone was a bit worried about people who get "by" in Engineering, Medicine, or any other field where lives are at stake because they ticked the right boxes but are not competent. That can be just as true of "NEPO" babies (children of wealthy parents), the ones whose parents buy their way into Harvard medical school (or other big-name university programs) because of that eight million dollar endowment Mummy and Daddy donated last year.
 
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Barry Natchitoches

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I understand the logic here, and in general, agree with the OP.

However, my current GP is probably the best doctor I have had in my life. i trust him in a world where it is getting very difficult to trust ANYBODY in the medical profession.

And he is black - only in his late 30s - a graduate of Meharry medical school in Nashville. I have been seeing him for seven years now. The ink wasn’t even dry on his diploma when my wife and I began going to him.

He is actually better with my wife’s cancer than her doctor at the cancer clinic. They shortchange her at every turn. Do bare minimum testing, for example. They let little stuff go untreated.

But not this relatively young, black doctor. He watches her like a hawk. If problems develop - which they invariably do with chemo patients - he will investigate it, and treat it, when her cancer doctor just takes the attitude of “so the chemo is not perfect. Live with it.”

For example, my wife suffered enormous pain due to chemo related periphreal neuropathy. It was to the point where she was tripping alot, because she couldn’t trust the feeling in her legs and feet.

Her white cancer doctor basically said “Sorry, but chemo does that. Take a gabapentin pill and don’t bother calling me in the morning.” He did nothing beyond that. He was totally disinterested in her extreme pain.

But Dr. - let’s call him Dr. Black - actually cared. He helped her identify different things she could try to help control the pain, until she found two that helped (a TENS unit, properly placed, and adhering to a keto diet - both Dr Black’s suggestions). Thanks to Dr Black, she can walk safely once again, and her pain is considerably less.


I would put Dr Black up against the best of the Vanderbilt medical school graduates of any race - and Vandy is supposedly a much better school. (Meharry is a traditionally black medical school in Nashville) - and when it comes to treating complex patients, he would come on top every time, I believe.
 
medic38572

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Dozdoats said:
What do they call the person who graduates at the bottom of their class in med school?

Doctor.
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The same thing they call the person who graduates at the middle and top of the class.


Doctor

There is always a winner and a loser, depending on how you look at it.
I have seen like you people who thrive with excellence with book smarts but do not have the ability to make it go from their brains to the hands to work it out. Rendering them useless to help others.

My 2 favorite doctors were black, the conservative one went to Meharry Hubbard in Nashville check that place out!

I argued politics with the other one who thought Obama was the best thing since he was born.

Both had the will and care to serve patients and both were not gods and worked well as a team with everyone.

But I wouldn't get in a plane with them...:D
 
Southside

Southside

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Barry Natchitoches said:
I understand the logic here, and in general, agree with the OP.

However, my current GP is probably the best doctor I have had in my life. i trust him in a world where it is getting very difficult to trust ANYBODY in the medical profession.

And he is black - only in his late 30s - a graduate of Meharry medical school in Nashville. I have been seeing him for seven years now. The ink wasn’t even dry on his diploma when my wife and I began going to him.

He is actually better with my wife’s cancer than her doctor at the cancer clinic. They shortchange her at every turn. Do bare minimum testing, for example. They let little stuff go untreated.

But not this relatively young, black doctor. He watches her like a hawk. If problems develop - which they invariably do with chemo patients - he will investigate it, and treat it, when her cancer doctor just takes the attitude of “so the chemo is not perfect. Live with it.”

For example, my wife suffered enormous pain due to chemo related periphreal neuropathy. It was to the point where she was tripping alot, because she couldn’t trust the feeling in her legs and feet.

Her white cancer doctor basically said “Sorry, but chemo does that. Take a gabapentin pill and don’t bother calling me in the morning.” He did nothing beyond that. He was totally disinterested in her extreme pain.

But Dr. - let’s call him Dr. Black - actually cared. He helped her identify different things she could try to help control the pain, until she found two that helped (a TENS unit, properly placed, and adhering to a keto diet - both Dr Black’s suggestions). Thanks to Dr Black, she can walk safely once again, and her pain is considerably less.


I would put Dr Black up against the best of the Vanderbilt medical school graduates of any race - and Vandy is supposedly a much better school. (Meharry is a traditionally black medical school in Nashville) - and when it comes to treating complex patients, he would come on top every time, I believe.
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And we all know what makes the difference
He cares.
 
Melodi

Melodi

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medic38572 said:
The same thing they call the person who graduates at the middle and top of the class.


Doctor

There is always a winner and a loser, depending on how you look at it.
I have seen like you people who thrive with excellence with book smarts but do not have the ability to make it go from their brains to the hands to work it out. Rendering them useless to help others.

My 2 favorite doctors were black, the conservative one went to Meharry Hubbard in Nashville check that place out!

I argued politics with the other one who thought Obama was the best thing since he was born.

Both had the will and care to serve patients and both were not gods and worked well as a team with everyone.

But I wouldn't get in a plane with them...:D
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Night wolf's medical school also trained US doctors because Ireland and the USA have agreements that to practice in the US, a graduating resident (called Jr. Doctors here) has to take an exam to qualify to practice there.

They were constantly told about how complicated treating the African-American community can be, for various reasons, from genetic complications, which can be in EITHER population, to the effects of low incomes combined with terrible diets and erratic health care. The medical school instructions didn't play PC games regarding known inherited diseases either. Certain conditions tend to happen more often in certain families and ethnic groups. Being African-American in the US means your patient might have some of either or both ancestors and Native Americans.

This is a major reason. I find the "genetic" (rather than cultural) reasoning behind American Blacks' low IQ ridiculous. Nightwolf was taught that your "black" patients might have 75 percent or more European DNA. And unless they were first or second-generation off the boat from Africa, the chances of 35 to 50 percent were still extremely high.

If the IQ thing were true, then Black in the US should have double or more the IQ people have in Africa, which isn't the case, especially if they are given proper IQ tests considering their culture and environment.

For example, most three- and four-year-olds in the US (and Europe) can't understand that a container of different sizes can have the same amount of water. Children in refugee camps during a drought in Africa could almost always tell exactly how much water was in any sized container. They depended on the water to survive and often had to carry it for miles back to their families. The American and European children did not need to learn this at such a young age. The European children were not "stupid" but had other things to focus on learning.

The other is the Native American classroom in Alaska, where all the kids did poorly on the IQ test. One question that every child got wrong was, "What do you take with you when you need to go to the bathroom at night." I forget the "correct answer," but every child on the rural reservation picked "A shotgun." As one boy explained,"a bear or something might be waiting for you at the outhouse."

Those kids were not stupid, but the test was designed for 1960s suburban America, not kids living the Alaskan outback.
 
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My Kaiser doctor is from the Philippines. Bit of accent, but otherwise good. Being an employee, she will not buck the Covid protocol. She said IVM is not FDA approved for Covid, if it was, she would use it.
 
Milkweed Host

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Veteran Member
That's a tough call. I've mostly been around country White doctors with very
limited expertise. Most everything is referred to a larger clinic or hospital.
The smaller clinics are just clearing houses.

I will say, the finest ER work I've seen done was in the 1980's.
A drunk driver in a large Cadillac ran a stop sign and T-boned a cargo
van filled with plumbers, returning from Des Moines.

At the hospital ER, I saw the regular ER doctor standing in the circle center, holding
a bottle of Pepsi while organizing everything. He was wired. I watched as the seven extra doctors
arrived and quickly took a patient's room. Everything appeared to be incredible smooth and fast.
I was impressed with how quickly and quietly everything went. Everyone knew their job.
It was awesome. I was surprised at how quickly the extra doctors arrived.

I waited for drunk driver's doctor to wave me into the patient's room. She was in her
mid 20's and mostly naked on the gurney. I remember lowering myself next to her head
while reading the Implied Consent form. She consented to blood and plead to manslaughter
with two years.

All the ER doctors were White and I'd say extremely professional. These doctors were thrown into
this situation, cold, in the middle of the night, and didn't hesitate on anything.

I felt like I was witnessing real life, behind the scene hero's, doing an awesome job.
 
Griz3752

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
SouthernBreeze said:
Living in Mississippi, Cary nor I have never had a black doctor, and we've had a lot. We've had some white doctors who were rather incompetent, though.
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I can give you a list to avoid in Memphis. The only non-white is a podiatrist who's more interested in talking 'business' and 'life philosophy' than providing care.
 
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