DISASTER Batten down the hatches-Econ disaster is coming.

Troke

On TB every waking moment

Don't read this before bed, you won't sleep.

One thing not noticed about Bideneconomics. He has been running trillion $ stimulus (deficits) for years and what do we see that increases the national wealth? Nothing.

With his deficit spending, FDR built dams, schools, city halls and other items of public wealth. All Biden has done is tear down some dams lowering the national wealth.

Trump knows it is coming. He is hoping it arrives under Biden. Diccolo Trochiavelli suggested that the Demos conspire to get Trump in as POTUS, and then watch him thrash around like a harpooned while trying to avoid being the Herbert Hoover of the 21st Century. Because Biden has eliminated all the "tools" usually used to get out of a depression..
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
DJT will be elected, then buried, deep, with universal resistance and sabotage throughout the entire govt.
ALL liberal entities throughout society will do the same, in concert with the federal bureaucracy.
They may even be able to foment a universal strike where too many of those essential to society operations will stay home until DJT steps down. Those who resist that effort will be de-platformed.
It will be almost as devastating as a shooting war, and could force a victory for themselves
 

West

Senior
I muse everyone will lose. And especially the poor on government assistance. Many will starve or be eaten/killed.

At first they might be able to blame Trump, but fact is, he's not a careerd bureaucrat. If they let him speak and preach about independence, small government etc... and end the fed, etc...

Maybe the independent able of even small means collectively could bring it around.

But many dependent on government(jobs too) and think they are owed something for nothing will have to die or be eaten.
 
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saeurs

Contributing Member
What we need is a gold/silver currency that's secured by block chain and can be used in both physical and online transactions. This is indeed possible.

Is there anyone willing to help build such a system? ;)
If I read their process correctly, UPMA, has a sort of gold/silver backed operation. I only have a small amount in an account with them and have not had call to use it yet. They sell gold certificates labeled goldbacks, vaulted physical silver and gold. I'm waiting to see if they actually put a vault in my state before doing much more business with them. YMMV

Currently, we are working toward some kind of subsistence farm that we can raise our own food. Our biggest challenge is to pay off the $35k remaining on our mortgage before everything burns down. Chances are that we can generate enough income to pay property taxes, enough electricity to run radios and refrigerators, but meat production is something we haven't been able to work on yet. Hoping against full on Mad Max, but planning on it happening before much longer. I know people are not prepared (or preparing) in this way and there is no easy way out of this mess we've created.

Trade currency in the form of tangible goods, .22LR ($0.10/ea), alcohol, etc. Are more practical than silver or gold, in my opinion.
 
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Hfcomms

EN66iq
What we need is a gold/silver currency that's secured by block chain and can be used in both physical and online transactions. This is indeed possible.

Is there anyone willing to help build such a system? ;)

The money powers would never willingly go down that road. Blockchain would be perfect for this. They wouldn’t be able to play three card monte with the gold by making many more currency units than the metal in the vaults underwriting it. The only way to restore faith in the money if we don’t want to carry gold/silver around is a system people could trust and blockchain does that.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Putting my currency into Beans, Bullets, and Bandaids. When the shitte hits the fan that will be the only valuable currency.....cause you can't eat gold, or silver. You can't defend yourself with it and you can't stop the bleeding either. If it's not REAL and in your hand, you don't have anything.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
I muse everyone will lose. And especially the poor on government assistance. Many will starve or be eating/killed.

At first they might be able to blame Trump, but fact is, he's not a careerd bureaucrat. If they let him speak and preach about independence, small government etc... and end the fed, etc...

Maybe the independent able of even small means could bring it around.

But many dependent on government(jobs too) and think they are owed something for nothing will have to die or be eating.

West,

Should be die or be eaten.

Texican....
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
Still need a source of fats though. Rabbit meat is so lean you can easily protein overload.
Chickens are a great source of Fat, and, easier to maintain than Rabbits.

Organ meats are a must too: don't pitch the innards when you clean them.

On the luxury side of things, Amazon carries a wide selection of quality canned/Jar Fats... Refrigerate for long term, and enjoy.
 
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LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Once any digital currency is installed, they will get ALL transactions on their database and every penny you gain or spend will be known to the trustworthy government run by that wonderful individual known as the devil. When he wants you cut off, he will have 2 ways to do it.

Debt has been the means of waging war against humans and that needs to be speeded up because there is a stop on the clock not too far away. The modern combined arms concept will have other additional vectors for death: poison food-water-air, poison medications (pharma), actual wars, destruction of producing companies, destruction of farms, tearing down all that is good, and the worst- poisoning the minds of the people so that 2/3 of the population will choose to do what the evil ones tell them.
 

BUBBAHOTEPT

Veteran Member

Don't read this before bed, you won't sleep.

One thing not noticed about Bideneconomics. He has been running trillion $ stimulus (deficits) for years and what do we see that increases the national wealth? Nothing.

With his deficit spending, FDR built dams, schools, city halls and other items of public wealth. All Biden has done is tear down some dams lowering the national wealth.

Trump knows it is coming. He is hoping it arrives under Biden. Diccolo Trochiavelli suggested that the Demos conspire to get Trump in as POTUS, and then watch him thrash around like a harpooned while trying to avoid being the Herbert Hoover of the 21st Century. Because Biden has eliminated all the "tools" usually used to get out of a depression..
This could well be their alternate plan -among others. Yep, they’ll fight like hell to destroy the man in every way possible, but ultimately to watch the economy burn -that they BTW have worked just as hard to destroy as to annihilate Trump- and blame Trump. That keeps me up at night. Plenty of actual Doom to spread on everyone’s toast on a daily basis… :kaid:
 
This could well be their alternate plan -among others. Yep, they’ll fight like hell to destroy the man in every way possible, but ultimately to watch the economy burn -that they BTW have worked just as hard to destroy as to annihilate Trump- and blame Trump. That keeps me up at night. Plenty of actual Doom to spread on everyone’s toast on a daily basis… :kaid:
This could well be their alternate plan -among others. Yep, they’ll fight like hell to destroy the man in every way possible, but ultimately to watch the economy burn -that they BTW have worked just as hard to destroy as to annihilate Trump- and blame Trump. That keeps me up at night. Plenty of actual Doom to spread on everyone’s toast on a daily basis… :kaid:
This could well be their alternate plan -among others. Yep, they’ll fight like hell to destroy the man in every way possible, but ultimately to watch the economy burn -that they BTW have worked just as hard to destroy as to annihilate Trump- and blame Trump. That keeps me up at night. Plenty of actual Doom to spread on everyone’s toast on a daily basis… :kaid:
Flatten their tires and they will have a huge issue to deal with
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
DJT will be elected, then buried, deep, with universal resistance and sabotage throughout the entire govt.
ALL liberal entities throughout society will do the same, in concert with the federal bureaucracy.
They may even be able to foment a universal strike where too many of those essential to society operations will stay home until DJT steps down. Those who resist that effort will be de-platformed.
It will be almost as devastating as a shooting war, and could force a victory for themselves

Yeah, this.

And I wouldn't be surprised to see additional Cities going through "Mostly Peaceful Protests (tm)"
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well... That' not entirely true. It will usher-in a level of centralized control that Orwell could never have imagined.

Things will go downhill from there.


"Downhill" from our perspective.

"Winning" from the Authoritarian central command perspective. Which is why I think it's inevitable.

They'll burn everything down, if it allows them to rule over the ashes (of our once great nation).
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The OP is required to contain the entire article.


Here it is:

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Batten down the hatches, a financial hurricane is on the way​


By John Le Sueur
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January 15, 2024
HUGE financial trouble is coming to the US this year. That spells trouble for all Western economies as all are intertwined with the US.

I do not pretend to be an expert on these matters: the information I am giving you here is culled from many sources. I am, if you like, the man in the street, reading and watching.

It is said when the US sneezes, the UK catches a cold. This time it will be far worse as so many things are happening at once. It is time to batten down the hatches, pay off debts and not commit to new ones, and prepare as much as you can. No one can yet predict what things will look like at the end of this turbulent time. Nor can we predict when it will end.
We have all seen high streets closing down. We blame Amazon, and that is partly true. A far bigger problem is that high street rents and taxes are so high that shops cannot compete. As a general rule, landlords cannot reduce them either. This is because the property value is determined by its rental price, and if you devalue the property by renting it cheaply it will damage the value and the financial gearing of your property portfolio, potentially causing bankruptcy. So it is better to sit with an empty commercial property and hope things turn a corner.

In my view that is a forlorn hope for the next few years.

In the US, vast swathes of office space are empty. The landlords have some brutal decisions to make as $117billion is due in financial payments this year for commercial property. If the landlords cannot re-negotiate their loans, they go bankrupt, dumping property on the banks, which in turn will have to face their loan portfolios going delinquent. Which could of course cause them bankruptcy.

Banks are already tightening up on their lending as hard times come. They know full well which clients are a lost cause, which are liabilities and which will be able to re-negotiate. It is thought some 30 per cent of bank loans in America are already delinquent and in arrears. No one knows, as the banks are not telling anyone yet.

Meantime banks are queueing up for central bank loans and help. Which indicates that the banks have a problem.
In the US some 60 per cent of car loans are in negative equity due to the practice of rolling over residual debt from the previous loan to the new car. The customer has a choice: run the car until the loan is paid off or renegotiate the loan. If the car is old or has a high mileage the customer might have few options to keep it running.

Americans are already in a situation where their credit cards are maxed out. Renegotiating loans might not be possible. Some banks are already stopping credit cards without warning. The Bank of America is getting many complaints about this. Customers are saying: ‘I was already hungry and now I’m starving.’

With regard to finance customers, some are branded ‘prime’ with a good payment record, or ‘sub prime’ with a poor payment record. Sub prime auto loans in the US now stand at 50 per cent in payment arrears. Sub prime represents people who already have financial issues, and some who are struggling now will default badly soon. This further increases pressure on the banks which finance sub prime loans.

I am sure many readers will remember the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae sub prime mortgages that featured in so many derivatives being sold during the 2008 crash. What is coming is many times worse .

The Biden administration took over an economy that was performing well under Trump, and crashed it like a teenager on a joyride. So many appalling decisions have been made that have seen the US deficit climb to $34trillion. This means that 40 per cent of personal taxes in America goes to paying off the interest alone, but not the capital. It is calculated that each American taxpayer accounts for $100,000 of US debt, on top of their own personal financial burdens. It is currently anticipated that US national debt will get to $40trillion, maybe by the end of this year as it is rising by $3trillion each quarter.

The Biden administration is responsible for many economic nightmares the US faces, but one stands out above all others: the destruction of the dollar as a reserve currency.

The USD as a reserve currency is often referred to as the petro dollar. If, say, Spain wants to buy oil from Saudi, it buys USD and then pays for the oil in USD. Not euros. This makes money for the US Federal reserve and costs Spain as it converts euros into USD.

The USD was taken off the gold standard by Nixon. It is backed by nothing but debt.

Biden’s policies have meant that Saudi is now accepting payments for oil in a country’s own currency if Saudi approves of that currency. Saudi approves Chinese yuan because it is backed by China’s huge gold reserves. Russia put the ruble on to the gold standard two years ago to stop the US attacking its currency, so it is well regarded by Saudi. Spain, for example, being part of the EU has to pay in US dollars as Saudi does not accept euros, which are regarded as not sufficiently stable nor backed by gold.

Saudi accepted Chinese yuan in payment for oil. India did such a transaction recently. This is because BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) has risen as a backlash to US policies, hegemony and currency. BRICS has close to half the world’s population supporting it while US influence is dramatically diminishing, placing the USD under the greatest threat of serious devaluation it has ever seen. Imagine, if you will, that the USD is worth 25 per cent of what it is today – that is a possible future for the US. It is that possible future that is terrifying world bankers, investors, speculators and economists.

Yet Janet Yellen, US Treasury Secretary, crows that US is in for a soft landing with the economy. She, like Biden, crows about creating jobs. But the jobs created are second jobs as Americans are working two jobs just to stay afloat in many cases.

The fact of the matter is that the USD is a paper currency. Real money is now gold or silver. Silver is about to accelerate in values and gold is predicted to rise anywhere from 30 per cent to 3,000 per cent. Will gold do this because paper currencies become worthless? Or because people are panicked that the only safe investment is to buy gold which drives the gold price?

You may well ask what will happen to sterling: my guess is that it is likely to face a similar fate to the USD. As for the euro, it surely cannot survive this, with Germany and France in recession and other euro countries being dragged into the mire."
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
DJT will be elected, then buried, deep, with universal resistance and sabotage throughout the entire govt.
ALL liberal entities throughout society will do the same, in concert with the federal bureaucracy.
They may even be able to foment a universal strike where too many of those essential to society operations will stay home until DJT steps down. Those who resist that effort will be de-platformed.
It will be almost as devastating as a shooting war, and could force a victory for themselves

To which I can't help but wonder: he'd have the autopen and a whole lot of time on his hands. Presidential pardons could be six for a dollar. And a whole lot of liberal pelts might follow.

Just sayin, of course.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
The fact of the matter is that the USD is a paper currency. Real money is now gold or silver. Silver is about to accelerate in values and gold is predicted to rise anywhere from 30 per cent to 3,000 per cent. Will gold do this because paper currencies become worthless? Or because people are panicked that the only safe investment is to buy gold which drives the gold price?

Only nitpick with me is it is not so much that silver and gold are becoming more valuable, but that the dollar is losing all it's value so it takes many more of them to buy the same item as it did a few years ago. A one ounce gold coin will buy you just about what it did 100 years ago so it isn't the metal that is changing but the currency.

That being said since the prices are held artificially low once that coiled spring is released and the metal approaches and even surpasses it's fair value on the other side of the pendulum your purchasing power might vastly increase.

In Weimer Germany after the collapse of the Deutschmark you could of bought a mansion in Berlin with five ounces of gold.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Well... That' not entirely true. It will usher-in a level of centralized control that Orwell could never have imagined.

Things will go downhill from there.

I agree with the centralized control part. They’ve been sending us that way for the last hundred years or so. They’ve got so many already screwed onto Uncle Sugar’s tits that he’s being drunk dry. However, the great majority of the population don’t want to see that they are dependent at least equal in being part of the problem as the politicians they’ve elected to keep their pablum coming. Dependent on the taxes other people pay, dependent on the government ponzi schemes, etc. and yada yada.

And yes, it will go downhill for all regardless of what people want to believe.

I suspect that many more people than expected will welcome the new digital currency because they are essentially already living that way. Few people get a check these days, payroll and pensions get deposited directly into bank accounts. So does all the gov money people are raking in. How many on this very forum took the covid money just because it was free and they wanted their share without understanding they’d spend that amount and more in the resulting inflation?
 

West

Senior
We would need to pay a extra tax at least the first year in lieu of income tax. (I know slippery slope) to pay for the zombie eliminator crews technicians (ZECT) who will need physical ammo/tools, room, board and health-care as they clean up the cannibals, fiat bankers and useless bureaucrats.

I think if we make it a law that the ZECTs can only serve 1 year tours and will have to go back to the private sectors, that should keep down that bureaucracy.

:D
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
I agree with the centralized control part. They’ve been sending us that way for the last hundred years or so. They’ve got so many already screwed onto Uncle Sugar’s tits that he’s being drunk dry. However, the great majority of the population don’t want to see that they are dependent at least equal in being part of the problem as the politicians they’ve elected to keep their pablum coming. Dependent on the taxes other people pay, dependent on the government ponzi schemes, etc. and yada yada.

And yes, it will go downhill for all regardless of what people want to believe.

I suspect that many more people than expected will welcome the new digital currency because they are essentially already living that way. Few people get a check these days, payroll and pensions get deposited directly into bank accounts. So does all the gov money people are raking in. How many on this very forum took the covid money just because it was free and they wanted their share without understanding they’d spend that amount and more in the resulting inflation?
I think you're assuming that a CBDC will work (technically, functionally, etc.) Yet where government and bureaucrats are concerned, nothing is certain.
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
I’m no expert on federal spending but it has struck me that a lot of their spending and projects are long term. One answer could be as simple as. Cancel the projects and not send good money after bad. Eliminate any agencies created in the last 4 years. Fire all personnel hired for them.
 

West

Senior
I’m no expert on federal spending but it has struck me that a lot of their spending and projects are long term. One answer could be as simple as. Cancel the projects and not send good money after bad. Eliminate any agencies created in the last 4 years. Fire all personnel hired for them.
Would need to go back at least 180 years.

Just saying.
 

saeurs

Contributing Member
Chickens are a great source of Fat, and, easier to maintain than Rabbits.

Organ meats are a must too: don't pitch the innards when you clean them.

On the luxury side of things, Amazon carries a wide selection of quality canned/Jar Fats... Refrigerate for long term, and enjoy.
Agreed. We are getting a dozen Cornish cross meat birds. 8 week grow time to an average of 6 to 8 lb. The neighbors are on year 3. Last year, we processed 100 birds in a few hours. It's small, but a start.
 

Mongo

Veteran Member
...Those who resist that effort will be de-platformed.
It will be almost as devastating as a shooting war, and could force a victory for themselves
See? The globalist Left thinks they can set and then control the conditions.
Until the losing side decides to change the rules and start acting out with extreme (not play and pretend) violence.
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
Agreed. We are getting a dozen Cornish cross meat birds. 8 week grow time to an average of 6 to 8 lb. The neighbors are on year 3. Last year, we processed 100 birds in a few hours. It's small, but a start.
We did about 30-50 of these for a few yrs. Ended up with big stash of canned chicken meat plus similar stash of broth we use in so many home recipes. Not that difficult; a bit messy; but a short term commitment of 8 wks.
 
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