FARM Backyard chicken trend causes spike in infections, 1 fatal

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https://www.statnews.com/2017/10/19/backyard-chicken-disease/

Backyard chicken trend causes spike in infections, 1 fatal
By Associated Press
October 19, 2017

Tanya Keith and her daughter Iolana feed chickens in the backyard of their home in Des Moines.
Charlie Neibergall/AP

ES MOINES, Iowa — Luke Gabriele was a healthy 14-year-old football player in Pennsylvania when he began to feel soreness in his chest that grew increasingly painful. When his breathing became difficult, doctors detected a mass that appeared to be a tumor.

For a week, Dan and DeAnna Gabriele thought their son was dying until tests identified the cause: not cancer, but chickens — the ones he cared for at home. They had apparently infected him with salmonella that produced a severe abscess.
The popular trend of raising backyard chickens in U.S. cities and suburbs is bringing with it a soaring number of illnesses from poultry-related diseases, some of them fatal.

Since January, more than 1,100 people have contracted salmonella poisoning from chickens and ducks in 48 states, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Almost 250 were hospitalized and one person died. The toll was four times higher than in 2015.

The CDC estimates the actual number of cases from contact with chickens and ducks is likely much higher.

“For one salmonella case we know of in an outbreak, there are up to 30 others that we don’t know about,” CDC veterinarian Megin Nichols said.

A “large contributing factor” to the surge, Nichols said, comes from natural food fanciers who have taken up the backyard chicken hobby but don’t understand the potential dangers. Some treat their birds like pets, kissing or snuggling them and letting them walk around the house.

Poultry can carry salmonella bacteria in their intestines that can be shed in their feces. The bacteria can attach to feathers and dust and brush off on shoes or clothing.

But illnesses can be prevented with proper handling. The CDC recommends that people raising chickens wash their hands thoroughly after handling the birds, eggs or nesting materials, and leave any shoes worn in a chicken coop outside.

Salmonella is much more common as a food-borne illness. More than 1 million people fall ill each year from salmonella contamination in food, resulting in more than 300 deaths, according to the CDC.

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There are no firm figures on how many households in the U.S. have backyard chickens, but a Department of Agriculture report in 2013 found a growing number of residents in Denver, Los Angeles, Miami and New York City expressed interest in getting them. Coops are now seen in even the smallest yards and densest urban neighborhoods.

For Tanya Keith, the nine hens and a rooster that she keeps behind her home in Des Moines provide fresh eggs and lessons for her three children about where food comes from.

But even as her kids collect eggs and help keep the six nesting boxes tidy, she warns them not get too affectionate.

“We don’t transfer chicken germs to our face,” Keith tells them.
Stopping the germs at home is important because safeguards against salmonella are limited at the commercial sources that sell most of the birds.

A large share of baby chicks and ducks sold to consumers come from about 20 feed and farm supply retailers across the U.S. They get their chicks from a half dozen large hatcheries that supply tens of millions of baby chicks and ducklings each year.
While the Agriculture Department encourages hatcheries to be tested regularly for salmonella contamination, the program is voluntary. Unsanitary conditions or rodent infestations can help salmonella spread in hatcheries.

Dr. Stacene Maroushek, a pediatric infectious disease physician in Minneapolis, sees both sides of the popular trend. She manages her own flock of about 50 birds.

“I love to see people getting back to nature, having their home gardens and having self-sustainability,” Maroushek said.

But in her clinic she’s seen young children suffering from salmonella poisoning. The bacteria often cause flu-like symptoms, including diarrhea, and can produce more serious infections in children, the elderly and people with weak immune systems.

“It gets into their blood and it can get into organs,” she said. “It can be much more significant in people with underlying health problems.”

Even those who have had chickens for years can fall victim, as Luke Gabriele did in 2013 in his hometown of Felton in southeast Pennsylvania.

DeAnna Gabriele said her son was responsible for feeding and watering the chickens, but he didn’t really like the birds and certainly didn’t treat them as pets.

“They really never figured out specifically how Luke got the salmonella,” she said. “They theorized that maybe he inhaled something because it can live in the environment and you can breathe it in in the dust.”

He recovered after nine days in the hospital with the help of antibiotics.

She and her husband said that anyone buying chickens for the first time should try to find out whether the hatchery they came from tests for salmonella.

Nichols said the best way chicken raisers can protect themselves is to assume all birds carry salmonella and treat them carefully.

“We view this as a preventable public health problem and are really hoping we start to see some change,” she said.

— David Pitt
 

kittyluvr

Veteran Member
Big bad scary homegrown chicken eggs. Let's outlaw another easy cheap food source that people don't need the .gov for. /sarc off
 

Warm Wisconsin

Easy as 3.141592653589..
The increased use of public bathrooms has lead to an increase in many infections. We need to stop using them and outlaw them all!
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
The increased use of public bathrooms has lead to an increase in many infections. We need to stop using them and outlaw them all!

Uh... this is why San Diego has a huge, and spreading, hepatitis outbreak. The public bathrooms were closed to dissuade the homeless, so they went in the street.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I believe WW was being sarcastic.

Actually, in some ways this doesn't surprise me. It also wouldn't surprise me at all to find that most of these cases are coming from homes that are super clean and where tons of "anti-bacterial" cleaners, sprays and soaps are routinely used.

Our immune systems require "exercise" to work well, and that requires exposure to pathogens... preferably very low amounts at first, in childhood, which then allows tolerance to build up in the form of various antibodies.

Many of these people who are suddenly intimately involved in the day to day care and handling of their new chickens may never have been exposed to any of the bacterial strains common to the birds in their lives.

Whereas, farm kids were literally exposed in utero, and then on an increasing basis as they grew... first being carried near the coop to see the funny chickens, then later as toddlers carrying the egg bucket while mom or dad gathered the eggs. By the time they were old enough to be cleaning coops (or butchering birds) they had a very healthy level of antibodies built up.

My tiny granddaughter has been around their goats, sheep, pigs, chickens and turkeys from 4 days old. She is the healthiest baby I've ever seen. Completely breast fed by a mother who has been working with the animals for years, I suspect you could let her crawl around in the chicken coop and she wouldn't catch a thing (no, they aren't going to test that theory, and hand washing is routine before feeding or changing the baby)

Humans were never meant to live in a sterile environment.

Summerthyme
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Going to have to quit urinating and crapping in the streets before I get to worked up about my chickens. They have their own chicken house and nests and don't need to roam inside our home. Main food supply for DW and me.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Big bad scary homegrown chicken eggs. Let's outlaw another easy cheap food source that people don't need the .gov for. /sarc off

Agree. Plenty of people who don't keep chickens get salmonella, and plenty of flock raisers also eat commercial chicken, so how can these doctors be sure that the salmonella came from the home flocks, even if the birds tested positive for salmonella?

This BS is going to be used as an excuse for back yard flock regulation.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
I believe WW was being sarcastic.

Actually, in some ways this doesn't surprise me. It also wouldn't surprise me at all to find that most of these cases are coming from homes that are super clean and where tons of "anti-bacterial" cleaners, sprays and soaps are routinely used.

Our immune systems require "exercise" to work well, and that requires exposure to pathogens... preferably very low amounts at first, in childhood, which then allows tolerance to build up in the form of various antibodies.

Many of these people who are suddenly intimately involved in the day to day care and handling of their new chickens may never have been exposed to any of the bacterial strains common to the birds in their lives.

Whereas, farm kids were literally exposed in utero, and then on an increasing basis as they grew... first being carried near the coop to see the funny chickens, then later as toddlers carrying the egg bucket while mom or dad gathered the eggs. By the time they were old enough to be cleaning coops (or butchering birds) they had a very healthy level of antibodies built up.

My tiny granddaughter has been around their goats, sheep, pigs, chickens and turkeys from 4 days old. She is the healthiest baby I've ever seen. Completely breast fed by a mother who has been working with the animals for years, I suspect you could let her crawl around in the chicken coop and she wouldn't catch a thing (no, they aren't going to test that theory, and hand washing is routine before feeding or changing the baby)

Humans were never meant to live in a sterile environment.

Summerthyme



Never known anyone personally getting sick from keeping back yard chickens, but living on a farm keeping livestock there is the issue of keeping tetanus shots up to date and small cuts are a gateway for problems like lock jaw.

They did say something about rodents (mice & rats) and I've seen chickens go after them as a food source and one gets into the hen house its done for.
 
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ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
What happened to PERSONAL hygiene? Like simple hand washing with soap and hot water. If you're working in a dusty area you need to wear some sort of protective mask...ESPECIALLY in a farm environment.

The other thing is that proper animal husbandry reduces animal disease overall and proper vaccinations can seriously impact specific diseases like salmonella among livestock. For example in Europe they have virtually eliminated salmonella from chickens and their eggs through flock vaccination instead of just washing the eggs. Free Range chickens are exposed to far less disease than confined chickens.

TREAT THE CAUSE not the SYMPTOMS!!
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
Agree. Plenty of people who don't keep chickens get salmonella, and plenty of flock raisers also eat commercial chicken, so how can these doctors be sure that the salmonella came from the home flocks, even if the birds tested positive for salmonella?

This BS is going to be used as an excuse for back yard flock regulation.
I was wondering that to.

The source of the OP article is the Associated Press.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Well with any luck I will see the bird aviaries I have bought off the Internet tomorrow.

Can't wait to move to the countryside and set up better to keep chickens.

It is funny all this stuff as if you grow fruit or berries in your yard, birds are always eating some of the produce.

I handle chicken shit every day. Pick up handfuls and put a hose of water onto it to get it into the soil around my pot plants all by hand.

I have no smell in my small chicken run. Deep litter and fermented food.

I would send the clean people mad.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
This article didn't say how many people on marginal incomes are not healthier because they have fresh eggs and even meat most days of the week; there are always trade-offs and Summertyme makes very good points on exposure.

Yes people CAN become ill, but they can catch the same illness from commercial eggs that are not processed correctly (Americans have a much bigger problem with this because of the mass factory system; it is at pretty low levels in Europe where battery farms are more limited and eggs can be stored at room temperature because they are not dosed in chemicals in the hope of making them OK after being raised in giant battery pens).

Home raised chickens tend to have a better life even in the US, but the bugs are everywhere and a child may forget to wash their hands or wipe their face without thinking (heck adults can do the second as well when out in the barn too long) so some of this is immunity, some of it is proper personal care and a lot of this story is the industry fighting back against home-grown or raised foods.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
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China Connection

TB Fanatic
The difference in food between well-fed chickens and factory chickens producing cheap supermarket eggs is huge and so is the food value of the eggs.

We are getting sick from a lack of vitamins in the food we eat.

Open a bag of chicken pellets and guess the vitamin content after a few days of the pellets?
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic

Most who keep chickens will not be feeding the good stuff.



Minerals and vitamins

Minerals are vital for normal growth and development in poultry, such as bone formation and body processes such as enzyme activation. Some minerals such calcium and phosphorus are required in large quantities. For example, laying hens require between 3.5-4% calcium, 0.3-0.4% available phosphorus and 0.2% sodium in their diets for egg production. Other minerals, such as copper, iron, manganese, zinc, selenium, cobalt, iodine and molybdenum, are required in milligram quantities but deficiency of these minerals will lead to serious health problems in mild cases and death in severe cases.

Similarly, vitamins are essential for the body systems of poultry. Both fat soluble (A, D, E, K) and water soluble (biotin, choline, folic acid, niacin, riboflavin, thiamine, pyridoxine, pantothenic acid and B12) are needed in the diet to maintain proper health and wellbeing of poultry.

Some vitamins and minerals are provided by most ingredients but the requirements for vitamins and minerals are generally met through premixes added to the diet. Diets may also contain additives for specific purposes. These are discussed in more detail in the section on feed additives.


http://www.poultryhub.org/nutrition/feed-ingredients/
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Guess I had a good teacher (Grandma - USDA inspector for a major turkey processor - besides being a master farm wife/cook and running her own turkey and Angus operation)...

I ALWAYS wash my hands well after handling/washing fresh eggs from the coop, preparing raw chicken for cooking, or working around the birds - feeding, cleaning, etc. Like she used to say - water is free and soap is cheap.
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
summerthyme and walkntrot are right.

we let our kids (and always have) be around animals of many sort and don't let them be prissy about it

we have rules set up that are common sense rules about hygiene when dealing with the animals. as far as our chickens go, we have rules that others have mentioned in terms of washing and shoes, etc.


this has been on the tv and becoming a common theme for fodder in priint article in this state. this article is another example of a scare tactic. why do i say this? because it is a very surface level article intended to scare without much actual info.

when this first came out a while back, i started doing more in depth research into the why and how of all of it. it turns out that it all boiled down to two things:

too sterile of an environment that the humans came from to begin with,

and

bad hygiene when in contact and after contact with the chickens.

it had nothing to do with snuggling the chickens. it had to do with not washing hands after and tracking in the poop on their shoes and not taking them off at the door and not changing clothes that have chicken poop on them. seems kind of common sense to me, but whatever...

it continues with most of these that they treat the chickens as house pets and let the chickens roam around the house freely and there is chicken poop all over.

THAT is how they are contracting the diseases. it isn't normal care, it is treating them as house pets and not having common sense hygiene when interacting with them, but they don't explain that. they just scare people
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
They did say something about rodents (mice & rats) and I've seen chickens go after them as a food source and one gets into the hen house its done for.

LOL yes!

it made me laugh so hard when on another thread, walkntrot described them as tiny t-rexes. they are! lol they are vicious and nasty when they want to be. a few times, a snake decides it is a good place to camp out. bad choice for the snake. great day for the chickens. when we catch mice still alive, we throw them into the run and the fun begins.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
LOL yes!

it made me laugh so hard when on another thread, walkntrot described them as tiny t-rexes. they are! lol they are vicious and nasty when they want to be. a few times, a snake decides it is a good place to camp out. bad choice for the snake. great day for the chickens. when we catch mice still alive, we throw them into the run and the fun begins.
I call my "The Velociraptors"...husband once saw one inhale a mouse and said "you can really imagine what they would be like if they were still large, we would be lunch instead of them lol!"
 

Faroe

Un-spun
I go barefoot a lot, but you can feel if you have poop on your feet, and that is easy enough to clean off. Mostly, I wear slip-ons for barnyard chores. They get kicked off at the patio (or mud room, if the weather is rainy). This is obviously easier is a warm and mostly dry climate, but rubber clogs and slip on rubber boots aren't much more of a hassle in winter. We never track that stuff in the house. Yuck (and I'm not a particularly fussy house-keeper).

As for pet chickens in the house - I've never done it, but people use chicken diapers with a change out-liner. The outfit is a cute apron-like looking affair (IMHO, looks best in gingham). Pet turtles, lizards, and parrots (which can make a huge mess outside of the cage, even while caged) can also carry it, but I was around all that stuff as a kid, and neither me nor my friends ever got sick from it. I don't remember us ever washing our hands after, or even being told to do so (parenting in the '70's was pretty much benign neglect). So, yeah...it's about control.
 
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Faroe

Un-spun
I call my "The Velociraptors"...husband once saw one inhale a mouse and said "you can really imagine what they would be like if they were still large, we would be lunch instead of them lol!"

They will just gulp it down whole. Sounds like a hard way to go for the mouse. My chickens can be lazy, and I've found live traps are the most effective (at least for a while - mice seem to learn to avoid them). I check the traps daily when they are out. Any live mice are dumped into a barrel, and swiftly and humanely crushed. Once I found a Kingsnake jammed into the live trap. Fortunately, it was ok.
 

Amazed

Does too have a life!
Since January, more than 1,100 people have contracted salmonella poisoning from chickens and ducks in 48 states, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Almost 250 were hospitalized and one person died. The toll was four times higher than in 2015.

One death? We're not given how many people actually handled chickens and ducks, just how many got salmonella. Why is this even a story?
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Soooooo....
The CDC says:
CDC estimates that approximately 1.2 million illnesses and approximately 450 deaths occur due to non-typhoidal Salmonella annually in the United States2.

So, 1000 people getting sick and 1 death do to backyard chickens each year, seems like a real nothing burger to me.
Better spend resources checking restaurants and educating people on good hygiene practices in food handling. :shk:

I also agree with several posters here. People and especially kids need to get out of their sterile home environments more often and get dirty doing real things instead of playing with their devices all day.
 

anna43

Veteran Member
When I was a kid, we ran barefoot all day and that included in and out of the chicken yard, milking barn, pasture and the house. I really doubt we washed our hands let alone our feet except before meals and at bath time. While staying at an aunt and uncle's home they were having well problems so water wasn't available to really wash up for several days. I was 10 at the time and that did bother me a lot. I was used to clean face and hands before meals and everything clean at bedtime.

In later years I kept chickens and I didn't change shoes or clothes when I went from the barn or chicken house into the house unless they were obviously dirty and we all survived. Of course, I washed hands before tending the baby or doing food prep, but didn't change clothes several times a day. Maybe salmonella wasn't prevalent at the time.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
We have chickens and eat our eggs, but I do not handle the chickens, DH does. We are healthy people in our early 70's. DH recently had major surgery and has done extremely well, he's basically a healthy man. I can remember chicken poop between my toes when I was a child, its a disgusting feeling. I wear rubber boots to the chicken house and don't bring them past the mud room.

ST, you are spot on.

Judy
 

Dosadi

Brown Coat
What tptb will do is scribble a bunch of things and create terrorcracy that will hurt those who know and use chickens the way that they were meant to be used in small scale farming / homesteading.

Trying to protect stupid from itself.

Gobt never fixes things, they just create a bunch of new problems to increase their control of free men by scribbling dumb ass ideas onto paper and calling them laws.
 

Redcat

Veteran Member
As a kid I managed many times to run into the field and right into a steaming cow pie. Never died from it, it washes off.

I was always the one on hen house duty too, and our "play house" was the old chicken coup. None of us got sick.
 
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