CORONA Arkansas: Inmates Weren't Told They Were Given An Anti-Parasite Drug

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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — Several inmates at a northwest Arkansas jail said they weren't told a medication they were given to treat COVID-19 was actually an anti-parasite drug that federal health officials have warned should not be used to treat the coronavirus.

Three inmates at the Washington County jail told The Associated Press they didn't know they were being given ivermectin until its use at the facility was revealed last week. The American Civil Liberties Union of Arkansas, which on Wednesday repeated its call for the practice to end, said it's also heard similar complaints from inmates.

The inmates' comments contradict assertions by the sheriff and the jail's physician that the use of the drug was voluntary. The drug's use at the jail has prompted an investigation by the state Medical Board.

"They were pretty much testing us in here is all they were doing, seeing if it would work," said William Evans, an inmate who said he was given the drug for two weeks after he tested positive for COVID-19.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved ivermectin for use by people and animals for some parasitic worms and for head lice and skin conditions. The FDA has not approved its use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans.



The drug's manufacturer, Merck, said in February that it had found no evidence that ivermectin is an effective treatment for patients with COVID-19.

The American Medical Association, the American Pharmacists Association and the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists on Wednesday called for an immediate end to prescribing and using the drug to treat the coronavirus outside clinical trials.

Washington County Sheriff Tim Helder, a spokesperson for his office and jail physician Dr. Rob Karas did not respond to calls or emails on Wednesday. Karas last week released a lengthy statement defending the use of ivermectin, saying he had been prescribing the drug to inmates and patients at his clinics since late last year.

Edrick Floreal-Wooten, an inmate, said he was given ivermectin at the jail after he tested positive on Aug. 21.

"I asked what are they, and they'd just tell me vitamins," Floreal-Wooten said. "With me being sick and all of us being sick, we thought that they were there to help us. I never thought they would do something shady."

Floreal-Wooten said he refused to take the drug last week after seeing a news article about ivermectin being prescribed to inmates.

Asked whether he would have taken the drug had they told him at the outset it was ivermectin, he responded: "Never. I'm not livestock. I'm a human."

The ACLU said it has also heard from several inmates who say they were told the drug was vitamins or steroids.

In a letter to Helder on Wednesday, the ACLU said some inmates are prepared to file a lawsuit to halt the drug from being prescribed. The group said it was "unconscionable" that inmates weren't informed they were being given the drug.

"They have a right to know what they are being given," ACLU of Arkansas Executive Director Holly Dickson said. "This is not a right they forego by virtue of being locked up."

Before the jail's ivermectin use was revealed, the state Medical Board told Karas last month that it received two complaints against him over a post on his clinics' Facebook page where he said he didn't believe face masks decreased the spread of viruses, according to documents released under a Freedom of Information Act request.

Karas told the board in written responses last week that his opinions were based on his 20-plus years of experience and "review of the literature through the years."

Pharmacy prescriptions for ivermectin have jumped nationwide this summer, and health officials in Arkansas and other states have issued warnings after seeing a spike in poison control center calls about people taking the animal form of the drug to treat COVID-19.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last week sent an alert about the trend to doctors. The CDC said there is not good evidence that ivermectin is effective at preventing or treating COVID-19, and that the government has not authorized it to be used against the coronavirus.

Despite the warnings, Republican lawmakers in Arkansas and other states have touted the drug as a potential treatment for COVID-19.

Dr. Jose Romero, Arkansas' secretary of health, wouldn't say whether he thought it was appropriate for the inmates to be prescribed ivermectin but said using any drug off-label would require an agreement between the physician and the patient.

"I don't know what agreement has been made," Romero told reporters at a news conference this week. Romero said the Arkansas Health Department doesn't endorse its use for COVID-19.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
The American Medical Association, the American Pharmacists Association and the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists on Wednesday called for an immediate end to prescribing and using the drug to treat the coronavirus outside clinical trials.

Always, always always follow the money. How many billions of dollars are made proscribing expensive antivirals and all sorts of novel medicines that can charge insurance plans outrageous amounts of money compared to a generic off patent drug with no real side effects. Treatment that can cost pennies per day as opposed to thousands per day.

If they could charge thousands of dollars for each ivermectin pill they would change their minds really quick. It's not about what works but about what they can charge an arm and a leg for. And we have to keep them sickly as sick people can be given round after round of drug treatment ringing up the cash register all the way. People are nothing but cash cows to be milked as often as possible to these pariahs.
 

philkar

Veteran Member
The American Medical Association, the American Pharmacists Association and the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists on Wednesday called for an immediate end to prescribing and using the drug to treat the coronavirus outside clinical trials.

Always, always always follow the money. How many billions of dollars are made proscribing expensive antivirals and all sorts of novel medicines that can charge insurance plans outrageous amounts of money compared to a generic off patent drug with no real side effects. Treatment that can cost pennies per day as opposed to thousands per day.

If they could charge thousands of dollars for each ivermectin pill they would change their minds really quick. It's not about what works but about what they can charge an arm and a leg for. And we have to keep them sickly as sick people can be given round after round of drug treatment ringing up the cash register all the way. People are nothing but cash cows to be milked as often as possible to these pariahs.
TRUTH!
 

Fenwick Babbitt

Veteran Member
The American Medical Association, the American Pharmacists Association and the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists on Wednesday called for an immediate end to prescribing and using the drug to treat the coronavirus outside clinical trials.

Always, always always follow the money. How many billions of dollars are made proscribing expensive antivirals and all sorts of novel medicines that can charge insurance plans outrageous amounts of money compared to a generic off patent drug with no real side effects. Treatment that can cost pennies per day as opposed to thousands per day.
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner it's always about the $$$, Moderna had over 30 Billion with a B in vaccine sales just in the first half of the year, imagine how much of that money flows down the channel to the politicians, media etc... it's the cause of all of this, stolen taxpayer money flows downhill like a bad case of Diarrhea, the Grift is in full effect, people are getting rich stealing U.S. Taxpayer dollars and all we can do is grin and bear it, this whole cluster**** is straight out of the Obama playbook.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Unfortunately for the prison, there are laws now in most States (and it may be Federal, it is in most of Europe) that because of past abuses experiments can not be done on prisoners (or others like college students) without their knowledge and consent.

This one MAY be legal because the drug actually is approved for human use but this "experiment" was an official "off-label" use declared "forbidden" by the FDA.

Being told it was "vitamins" or "steroids" as opposed to saying, "well we can try this on you, if you are willing to be part of a drug trial," probably also gets the prison (and possibly the State) in hot water.

That said, I think trying the drug out was a good idea, but I suspect they broke a few laws in the way it was carried out and it would also nullify the results in terms of being used in a real medical paper.

Other countries than the US ARE doing medical trials including the United Kingdom, which I gather has quite a large study underway as does India and I think Israel (but I'd have to look that last one up).
 

Walrus

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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — Several inmates at a northwest Arkansas jail said they weren't told a medication they were given to treat COVID-19 was actually an anti-parasite drug that federal health officials have warned should not be used to treat the coronavirus.

Three inmates at the Washington County jail told The Associated Press they didn't know they were being given ivermectin until its use at the facility was revealed last week. The American Civil Liberties Union of Arkansas, which on Wednesday repeated its call for the practice to end, said it's also heard similar complaints from inmates.

The inmates' comments contradict assertions by the sheriff and the jail's physician that the use of the drug was voluntary. The drug's use at the jail has prompted an investigation by the state Medical Board.

"They were pretty much testing us in here is all they were doing, seeing if it would work," said William Evans, an inmate who said he was given the drug for two weeks after he tested positive for COVID-19.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved ivermectin for use by people and animals for some parasitic worms and for head lice and skin conditions. The FDA has not approved its use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans.



The drug's manufacturer, Merck, said in February that it had found no evidence that ivermectin is an effective treatment for patients with COVID-19.

The American Medical Association, the American Pharmacists Association and the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists on Wednesday called for an immediate end to prescribing and using the drug to treat the coronavirus outside clinical trials.

Washington County Sheriff Tim Helder, a spokesperson for his office and jail physician Dr. Rob Karas did not respond to calls or emails on Wednesday. Karas last week released a lengthy statement defending the use of ivermectin, saying he had been prescribing the drug to inmates and patients at his clinics since late last year.

Edrick Floreal-Wooten, an inmate, said he was given ivermectin at the jail after he tested positive on Aug. 21.

"I asked what are they, and they'd just tell me vitamins," Floreal-Wooten said. "With me being sick and all of us being sick, we thought that they were there to help us. I never thought they would do something shady."

Floreal-Wooten said he refused to take the drug last week after seeing a news article about ivermectin being prescribed to inmates.

Asked whether he would have taken the drug had they told him at the outset it was ivermectin, he responded: "Never. I'm not livestock. I'm a human."

The ACLU said it has also heard from several inmates who say they were told the drug was vitamins or steroids.

In a letter to Helder on Wednesday, the ACLU said some inmates are prepared to file a lawsuit to halt the drug from being prescribed. The group said it was "unconscionable" that inmates weren't informed they were being given the drug.

"They have a right to know what they are being given," ACLU of Arkansas Executive Director Holly Dickson said. "This is not a right they forego by virtue of being locked up."

Before the jail's ivermectin use was revealed, the state Medical Board told Karas last month that it received two complaints against him over a post on his clinics' Facebook page where he said he didn't believe face masks decreased the spread of viruses, according to documents released under a Freedom of Information Act request.

Karas told the board in written responses last week that his opinions were based on his 20-plus years of experience and "review of the literature through the years."

Pharmacy prescriptions for ivermectin have jumped nationwide this summer, and health officials in Arkansas and other states have issued warnings after seeing a spike in poison control center calls about people taking the animal form of the drug to treat COVID-19.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last week sent an alert about the trend to doctors. The CDC said there is not good evidence that ivermectin is effective at preventing or treating COVID-19, and that the government has not authorized it to be used against the coronavirus.

Despite the warnings, Republican lawmakers in Arkansas and other states have touted the drug as a potential treatment for COVID-19.

Dr. Jose Romero, Arkansas' secretary of health, wouldn't say whether he thought it was appropriate for the inmates to be prescribed ivermectin but said using any drug off-label would require an agreement between the physician and the patient.

"I don't know what agreement has been made," Romero told reporters at a news conference this week. Romero said the Arkansas Health Department doesn't endorse its use for COVID-19.
"Edrick" :lol:
 

Ku Commando

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he American Medical Association, the American Pharmacists Association and the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists on Wednesday called for an immediate end to prescribing and using the drug to treat the coronavirus outside clinical trials.


If the tards can inject themselves with 2 doses of experimental vaccine and a booster, we can eat horse paste whenever the **** we like.

Freedom, mother****er !!
 

pauldingbabe

The Great Cat
The American Medical Association, the American Pharmacists Association and the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists on Wednesday called for an immediate end to prescribing and using the drug to treat the coronavirus outside clinical trials.

Always, always always follow the money. How many billions of dollars are made proscribing expensive antivirals and all sorts of novel medicines that can charge insurance plans outrageous amounts of money compared to a generic off patent drug with no real side effects. Treatment that can cost pennies per day as opposed to thousands per day.

If they could charge thousands of dollars for each ivermectin pill they would change their minds really quick. It's not about what works but about what they can charge an arm and a leg for. And we have to keep them sickly as sick people can be given round after round of drug treatment ringing up the cash register all the way. People are nothing but cash cows to be milked as often as possible to these pariahs.


It's the Matrix.

They use us and abuse us, suck all the life and money out of you then flush you when your not of any use.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Soooo...how many of these horribly abused prisoners are in for ingesting Krokodile, bath salts or any street drug?!

Summerthyme
I checked with Nightwolf, the problem isn't that they were given the drug, it might even have been helpful. But it violated medical ethics up one side and down the other, especially because the prisoners were lied to about what they were taking.

He also said because it was "off-label use" (for now, even though he thinks it should be approved) the prisoners really do have a case here, and yeah, I'm pretty sure they will make the most of it.

Nightwolf also confirmed that even if they wanted to, no real medical journal or even trial could use any of the results because they would be considered invalid due to the lack of consent and even lying going on.

He said sadly, this came about because in the "good old days" highly toxic and experimental treatments were just tried on on prisoners all the time, prisoners who really had no legal recourse if the results ended in injury or even death. So things probably swung too far in the other direction, there are similar regulations against paying college students.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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The American Medical Association, the American Pharmacists Association and the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists on Wednesday called for an immediate end to prescribing and using the drug to treat the coronavirus outside clinical trials.

Always, always always follow the money. How many billions of dollars are made proscribing expensive antivirals and all sorts of novel medicines that can charge insurance plans outrageous amounts of money compared to a generic off patent drug with no real side effects. Treatment that can cost pennies per day as opposed to thousands per day.

If they could charge thousands of dollars for each ivermectin pill they would change their minds really quick. It's not about what works but about what they can charge an arm and a leg for. And we have to keep them sickly as sick people can be given round after round of drug treatment ringing up the cash register all the way. People are nothing but cash cows to be milked as often as possible to these pariahs.

Thankfully I managed to get a supply on Amazon before all of the stupidity. I don’t take pharmaceuticals for “pre-treatment” but that’s my choice. I at least have an option (locked away) for just in case. Just like with the common cold, some things work on some people and don’t work on others but it is always nice to have all options available.

What big pharma is doing is reprehensible and it is even worse that the politicians into them for big money don’t get called out for their “investments”.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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I checked with Nightwolf, the problem isn't that they were given the drug, it might even have been helpful. But it violated medical ethics up one side and down the other, especially because the prisoners were lied to about what they were taking.

He also said because it was "off-label use" (for now, even though he thinks it should be approved) the prisoners really do have a case here, and yeah, I'm pretty sure they will make the most of it.

Nightwolf also confirmed that even if they wanted to, no real medical journal or even trial could use any of the results because they would be considered invalid due to the lack of consent and even lying going on.

He said sadly, this came about because in the "good old days" highly toxic and experimental treatments were just tried on on prisoners all the time, prisoners who really had no legal recourse if the results ended in injury or even death. So things probably swung too far in the other direction, there are similar regulations against paying college students.

They may not. While you don’t sign away all of your rights when you enter the prison system, you lose quite a few of them. If there is something in state law that says that X Prisoner can no longer pick and chose what medications they will and won’t take when they’ve been diagnosed then they don’t have a case even if the drug might be “off label” use.

Being in prison isn’t like going to a spa willingly. You really do lose quite a few of your freedoms.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
They may not. While you don’t sign away all of your rights when you enter the prison system, you lose quite a few of them. If there is something in state law that says that X Prisoner can no longer pick and chose what medications they will and won’t take when they’ve been diagnosed then they don’t have a case even if the drug might be “off label” use.

Being in prison isn’t like going to a spa willingly. You really do lose quite a few of your freedoms.
Nope, but Nightwolf said the official medical ethical regulations were rewritten to mandate at least informed consent even for prisoners because of the abuses in the past.

They could refuse to offer them anything else if there were no options, but they do have to tell the inmate what they are actually being given, and lying to them is flat out not allowed.

Now that is under the recognized codes of medical ethics, it might not apply in certain states and I point out that at least one Southern State (I forget which one) does not require doctors to have a license and at least last I heard was still hiring prison doctors from the ranks of people who lost their licenses - that may no longer be true but it was for a time at least.

Edited to add-I'm pretty sure judges can order inmates to be on certain regimes, especially when there are mental health issues involved. But that can be true of just about anyone who is viewed as a potential danger to themselves or others if they are not medicated.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Nope, but Nightwolf said the official medical ethical regulations were rewritten to mandate at least informed consent even for prisoners because of the abuses in the past.

They could refuse to offer them anything else if there were no options, but they do have to tell the inmate what they are actually being given, and lying to them is flat out not allowed.

Now that is under the recognized codes of medical ethics, it might not apply in certain states and I point out that at least one Southern State (I forget which one) does not require doctors to have a license and at least last I heard was still hiring prison doctors from the ranks of people who lost their licenses - that may no longer be true but it was for a time at least.

Edited to add-I'm pretty sure judges can order inmates to be on certain regimes, especially when there are mental health issues involved. But that can be true of just about anyone who is viewed as a potential danger to themselves or others if they are not medicated.

I get all of the NIMH stuff because I had to deal with it when I worked at USF. However, as I said, prisoners basically sign stuff that says “accept treatment for X at time of treatment”. If they were determined to be COVID-19 positive, then they could be prescribed Midol and their “informed consent” would already be in place.

When you are in prison you get what you get and you don’t throw a fit. They can be required to be shaved as in for head lice, get a shot for STDs, etc. Informed consent is given regardless because of what they sign when they go into the prison. Has a lot to do with experiments (e.g., Tuskegee) on humans. That’s why you should read the fine print. Lot’s of legal contracts come with those kinds of things. I know we are very careful with our lease agreements … if you have any concerns then you vacate the building during treatment at your own expense or your assume all responsibility and that includes any treatment in the yard and/or right of way. You also assume all responsibility for any do-it-yourself treatments.

Here’s an example of “informed consent” … one of our tenants tried to sue a do-it-yourself pest control place because she used something and then had to take a kid to the ER for breathing problems. However, because of the statement in our lease agreement concerning the tenant’s accepting responsibility they lost … big time because they also had to pay for the business’s legal expenses.

One of my cousins spent time in the pen for drugs … he was a user, not seller. He was also paralyzed during the accident that got him arrested but he still served time. He signed away a lot of his rights to treatment and right of refusal for treatment when he went in. It covered his “informed consent.”

People really do need to read the fine print. Now if that prison system was not smart enough to have that written into law and/or the papers the prisoners signed when they went in then their stupid is going to come back to haunt them. But my guess is the reason this made it into the news is because they did sign such papers and they are looking to try and force a out of court settlement.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I checked with Nightwolf, the problem isn't that they were given the drug, it might even have been helpful. But it violated medical ethics up one side and down the other, especially because the prisoners were lied to about what they were taking.

He also said because it was "off-label use" (for now, even though he thinks it should be approved) the prisoners really do have a case here, and yeah, I'm pretty sure they will make the most of it.

Nightwolf also confirmed that even if they wanted to, no real medical journal or even trial could use any of the results because they would be considered invalid due to the lack of consent and even lying going on.

He said sadly, this came about because in the "good old days" highly toxic and experimental treatments were just tried on on prisoners all the time, prisoners who really had no legal recourse if the results ended in injury or even death. So things probably swung too far in the other direction, there are similar regulations against paying college students.
I understand that. But I guarantee half or more of these morons now so "highly offended" they were given a legitimate treatment were using some of the sketchiest and most dangerous substances out there routinely to "get high".

Summerthyme
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I understand that. But I guarantee half or more of these morons now so "highly offended" they were given a legitimate treatment were using some of the sketchiest and most dangerous substances out there routinely to "get high".

Summerthyme
Oh, I agree, and that is why I pretty much said that I'm sure they will "milk this one for all it is worth" or words to that effect.

This is a case where the medical staff and the jail were in the wrong, but possibly for the "right" reasons. Next time, they might simply withhold treatment, it wouldn't surprise me (since as Nightwolf said, there really are almost no approved treatments yet anyway).
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Edited to add-I'm pretty sure judges can order inmates to be on certain regimes, especially when there are mental health issues involved. But that can be true of just about anyone who is viewed as a potential danger to themselves or others if they are not medicated.

Another thing to remember is that once you go into the prison system “the state” becomes your guardian. I forget the exact legalese that is used but essentially you are almost like a minor without adult rights to a certain extent. That means that the State can assign you treatment … forced feeding, etc. when someone is on a hunger strikes comes to mind as well as the required medication regimen for nearly any kind of illness and/or the lack of special diet in the case of vegan, religious diets, etc. You pick from what is offered, depending on setting you might be offered some reasonable accommodations with emphasis on reasonable, and just have to deal with it.

Remember when they gave bystanders a legal pass in case what they did didn’t help or made a victim of a car crash worse? This was especially true if say a nurse, doctor, or other medical professional did it. Part of it was about expedient measures.

They have COVID-19 as an emergency situation. This will never go to court. I doubt it will even made it to mediation. The prisoners are, at best, being used and being sold a bill of goods to make some noise for big pharma or some politician or other. They don’t stand a chance in hell. They didn’t die. They have no adverse reactions. They never even knew until someone had a birdie whisper it in their ear. And it could very well have been the media as this stinks of someone trying to “make” their career.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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They become wards of the state? I'm sure there is some fancy Latin gymnastics label.

Yep, that is what I mean but there is also some other stuff that goes with it. My cousin was paralyzed in an accident he caused because of drug use. He was still arrested and required to go to prison. The only reason he got out after a couple of years is because it became too expensive for the State to maintain his care in that setting. The reason why I know about the other stuff is because he needed treatment for constant infections and my cousin was at a point in his life where he’d given up and didn’t want to have “extra measures” to help keep him alive. He lost that round. He also lost the round where there was a treatment that could have helped him and the state said no because it would have meant him being on the sick ward and taking up a bed that might have been needed for another prisoner.

Lots of other stuff like that. Showers were fun for him … not … as they were at the leisure of whatever medical staff was available and when. He didn’t get any kind of therapy until he was released, not even the kind which would have made him less of a burden on the prison staff. And it was all in those papers that he signed, had no choice to sign, after his sentencing.
 
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