Anyone with S.American country bugout ideas?

darkdakota

Membership Revoked
We are still building our Alaska cabin but I was in Mexico last week and loved it.

Anyone have recent, firsthand knowledge of a S. America country open to Americans. I don't care if I have to pay off the local warlord, if it's cheap enough. I'm from NY and understand payola. I want a country with a great growing season, likes American dollars, not cooperative with Homeland Insercurity, Clueless Intelligence Agency, etc.

Anyone been to Venuzuela lately? Costa Rica? Brazil?
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lisa

Veteran Member
Mexico is beautiful..I lived there for many years..however I wouldn't recommend it at the moment as it has surpassed Columbia in the kidnapping area.

There are alot of folks retiring here to Panama, Costa Rica is becoming pretty pricey, there is a growing number of Ex-pats in Ecuador as well.

As long as old Chavez is in office I'd avoid Venezuela.
 

Chronicles

Inactive
I for ONE, am not giving up my homeland !

I will stay here, and do all that I am able to make certain that FREEDOM PREVAILS !

The sell outs in governmental offices are the ones on the way out.

WHY ?

Because they have awoke a sleeping GIANT ! THE PEOPLE !


Snakes beware, you that slither about upon your stinking bellies.
 

twincougars

Deceased
A friend stayed in Belize for awhile. I'd stay away from Panama-- hard to impossible to get clear title to any land, and squaters frequently try to take it over. Here's my friend's replies to my inquires:


I just heard today that you moved to South America. True?

Belize was as far as I got over a year ago. Stayed two months and had to return due to finding out I had cataracts and the temp was 120 in the shade.

I am very curious about your choice of country (which one?), how is living there (economy; language problems).

Economy very good. Gas prices are high at 5.00 per gallon. English is spoken.

Are US ex-patriots looked down upon there?

No. Welcomed.

Do you live in town, the city, or secluded in the boonies?

Both, with the far west near the border the best.

Is there less or more government nosiness.

Less.

Can you walk the streets safely?

Yes.

Firearms allowed?

I had one but don't remember if it was legal.

Communications (phone and internet) eaisly obtainable?

Yes. Cell phones are best. Internet cafes everwhere.

Did you fly, cruise or drive?

I drove but there is air and ferry for car transport. Thing to remember is to declare and pay duty for vehicles when entering.

I have been looking into an alternative country (ours is going to hell in a hand basket) as part of a back-up plan. For awhile I was considering Panama, but the problem there is getting a clear title to land.

Land is easy to buy and carries a title.
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
"In Dixieland,
I'll take my stand,
to live and die in Dixie!"

"Ain't no haints gonna run me off!"

'Nuff said.
 

Rams82

Inactive
On the other hand you could move to South America and be part of the Socialist Revolution down there with Hugo Chavez.:dvl1:
 

darkdakota

Membership Revoked
lisa said:
Mexico is beautiful..I lived there for many years..however I wouldn't recommend it at the moment as it has surpassed Columbia in the kidnapping area.

There are alot of folks retiring here to Panama, Costa Rica is becoming pretty pricey, there is a growing number of Ex-pats in Ecuador as well.

As long as old Chavez is in office I'd avoid Venezuela.


I spent the day by myself in Tiajuna....not usually recommended for single woman but I found it a lot like parts of NYC. Most people were pretty friendly and the few that got pushy understood FU in my NY twang. Got some great deals.

I heard from a taxi driver in Mexico that got deported from LA (but grew up there and had a completely American accent) that Chavez is offering plots of land cheap to Americans. I don't know how much worse he could be then the Bush Regime. The funny thing was that even though the taxi driver grew up in LA he was a Mexican citizen and didn't qualify.

I'm not giving up on Alaska (hopefully by the end of the summer we'll have a small cabin on 37 acres in the real boonies) but if I can find a cheap enough country to buy a small place in to spend the winter in and stay if this country gets much worse, I'd do it.

I know the Bush apologists here will scream commie and liberal...and great if it makes them happy. Think about this: Alabama Boy and I are both veterans,,,he is a 100% disabled vet with over 20 years Army. Went back as a civilian to help with this war. Both lifelong Republicans and our families have been here since the 1640's. After seeing how they **** their own, I could care less if Al Q digs a tunnel from Mecca and takes out the entire inside of the beltway. Republican or Democrat they are all crooks.

If I can spend summers in a cabin in Alaska and find a warm country to garden and fish in for the winter and hedge my bet on bugging out to it as the noose tightens around Americans necks and this country gets more evil nanny state then the so called axis of evil nations. then...I'm out of here. I'll watch in on CNN with a Pina Colada.

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darkdakota

Membership Revoked
twincougars said:
A friend stayed in Belize for awhile. I'd stay away from Panama-- hard to impossible to get clear title to any land, and squaters frequently try to take it over. Here's my friend's replies to my inquires:

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That seems to be a problem in Mexico too. I asked while down there and was told that most Americans hire a Mexican lawyer to set up a Mexican company and hold it that way. Seems complicated and easy to lose. But then again after the Supreme Court ruling here we aren't anymore secure then a third world nation as far as owning our own homes.

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imaginative

keep your eye on the ball
I've lived in Paraguay and Argentina in the mid-eighties. I had a great time (of course I was a 24 yo stud with an American accent!) and found the people there to be incredibly hospitable. I had many unsolicited job offers and nearly took several.
I never felt unsafe nor at-riskanywhere in SA (and I travelled a good bit) except in Colombia.

I've been told that Costa Rica is the place to be if you are an American and want to live South of the Rio Grande.
 

bobfall2005

Veteran Member
S. America is in the middle of big change.

More anti US goverments are coming to power.

If the US had something real bad, happen to it.
Enough to lower or remove US influence.

Than,, I believe the far left would finish taking over S. America.
Than, it will not be a fun place to be.

Bob
 

Jumpy Frog

Browncoat sympathizer
Knew a survivalist type (former Army Ranger) in Belize. He loved it when I talked to him last............in ........'99 I think. Locals loved him and he them. They spoke english to boot.

DW has family in Argentina. They like us, but they don't care for our Gov't.....but then even I have moments where that is true for me also. Pretty country and just like here you can have all types of terrain, weather, etc.
 

bobfall2005

Veteran Member
Countries that take the dollar, are going to be a problem.

If you have to split the US, because things are bad.
What will the dollar be worth?

Bob
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Here's some links to poke around, if any are interested...

http://www.escapeartist.com/retirement/havens.htm

http://www.boomersabroad.com/

http://www.expatexchange.com/

Be aware, though, some of those can paint a rosier picture overseas cause they are selling real estate there, or books, etc.

This topic of 'stay or go' ignites some important core issues and debate, so let me throw some more rambling dry tinders upon it... ;)

While grass is not always greener across all borders, of course, some feel that the best fallout shelter for their kids would be to get thee all someplace where they are less likely to ever need one! Or, to avoid some other coming catastrophic threat concerning them enough to be exploring alternatives elsewhere for their family.

The movie 'Mosquito Coast' comes to mind, though most of us would probably like to have taken a shot at writing our own, different, ending. Maybe some of us here for real, too!

I don't think leaving is usually the 'easy way out', though, but rather it's very hard to even contemplate for most, unless single, no extended family, mobile job & skills or lots of cash, etc., especially when done well before events have deteriorated enough where others around them won't all think it totally nuts, too.

For some, to act now against internal inertia, they will have to be gripped by a palatable and vivid terror of what they see coming soon as a virtual certainty to where no hurdles could ever restrain their attempt to escape to anywhere that's gotta be better than staying here, in their mind. That tipping point may come for many more someday, too, of course, but too late for most to ever accomplish it then.

Lot of mistakes, many fatal, await those gripped by such blind panic as rational analysis is eroded away in that terror, real right then in the future or simply anticipated today in one's own mind.

What about the Jews who escaped Hitler's Germany? Were they thought cowards by fellow Jews back then, early on, for running out on their native country and not staying behind to try and stand up and fight against the growing NAZI tyranny in some way? What was the more honorable course to have embraced?

And, those who risked all getting out over or under the Berlin wall, would they have been more honorable and brave to have stayed and fought clandestinely against their countries' repressive regime instead of trying to escape?

I wonder, too, how my Irish forefathers were treated by those who chose instead to stay behind in their Irish homeland when they emigrated here to the USA? Were they cheered, or jeered, as they left out by those remaining? If 'jeered' by their countrymen, was it because of envy that they did not have the means to go, too, or because they lacked the courage to follow, or for some sincere patriotic reasons? I don't know.

I do think we got a lot of the 'cream of the crop' then coming over here, rather than the most meek hearted of the clan.

Instead of 'Who is John Galt?' might we be hearing more, in the future here, 'Where Did John Galt Go?''

If half of the stuff we worry about happening here at TB2K comes to pass in the next few years, will those who left beforehand be thought then as the smart ones or seen, instead, as cowards for having run out on the 'good fight'? Will those who made the decision choosing to stay behind be the honorable ones then, here amongst all the others mostly trapped in inertia who could have left, too, along with the much greater numbers always so ignorant of any danger approaching?

The victors and survivors will write those history books.

The 32 men from my adopted town here in Gonzales were incredibly courageous to have reinforced the defenders of the Alamo, even though they knew the odds were dead against them ever surviving when they set out to try. That's my initial inclination I would hope to embrace, too, when push comes to shove, rather than exit left. Everybody has to die sometime anyways, that's the reality, let it at least be honorable I pray first, and secondly, if possible, let it have been purposeful and effective.

- Shane
 

Jeanne51

Inactive
If you could move to another country, which one would it be? I have heard a lot about Costa Rica, maybe Switzerland? The US is doomed, without major changes. Would you move to some remote island? I will probably have to stick it out here, since my daughters and grandaughters are here. Is there a country left that really does have freedom?
 

Lone Eagle Woman

Veteran Member
Staying here in the Rocky Mountain West and more and more, just living
in the Back Wilds. Here off the beaten track, are still large areas of Wilderness
that one who has the skills can vanish off into. In the future, thesee areas
will become our areas of refuge in my opinion. And with the budget cuts,
there are more and more LESS Backcountry Rangers! And also more and more,
how many do not venture out into the Deep Wilds with the Baby Boomers
getting older and not venturing out into the Deep Wilds becaus of being
too addicted to the modern day comforts while the young people are too
addicted to the modern computer games. How many places where I have
been the last few days, it is in many places still Paradise and one will find
Nobody Around! If one knows the Old Skills and willing to venture off beyond
the End of the Roads and even off the areas where the trails and the regular
person will go, one will have soooo many places to themselves.

The Creator and our Mother earth can provide for our Every Need!

Creator Bless!
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Ah yes. And a new man takes over and he says to the Lesser Classes;

'You are poor because all those Reeechh Gringoes have taken the best of everything. And all you got is the job of hauling their garbage."

Care to guess how long before that guy appears? How about the next election?
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Troke said:
Ah yes. And a new man takes over and he says to the Lesser Classes;

'You are poor because all those Reeechh Gringoes have taken the best of everything. And all you got is the job of hauling their garbage."

Care to guess how long before that guy appears? How about the next election?
The bigger surprize, Troke, will be when that 'guy appears' and it's one of our 'next elections' right here in the USA!

- Shane
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
"...'You are poor because all those Reeechh Gringoes have taken the best of everything. And all you got is the job of hauling their garbage."..."

The Demos have been yakking that up since 1930, and we got a bunch on this forum who think the same way.

So what else is new?

Comes the revolution (next election) the Reech will start to pay taxes like they never have before.

And who are the Reech?

Anybody with a job.
 

Bill P

Inactive
This reminds of the Frenchmen who sought refuge from the Nazis in the 1930s and moved to a remote South Pacific island. He bought a plantation on an old coal station well off the shipping lines, the advent of oil and diesel had pushed this island to the back of the back woods.

The island was Midway Island and the sight of the largest naval battle in th history of the Earth.

Bottom line: I doubt there is any 100% safe - safe haven.


S America is further along the decline curve than the USA. There import greater amounts of oil and have a more over extended debt ridden economy. This doesnt mean that our import dependent, debt ridden economy is safe, just that the US appears in a better position at this time.

I suppose you can rule out Swizerland too - when TSDHTF Id look for a balkanization of the EU and the rise of little Eurabia's.

New Zealand might be nice if the super volcano there stays quiet.
 

A.T.Hagan

Inactive
It's one thing to move to Mexico, Costa Rica, Tahiti, where ever, when things are normal and your American Express is good, you can call the American Consulate, and what not.

It is quite another to use one of these countries as a bugout location for when it really hits the fan in any meaningful way. Unless there is a rather large American community (very large) you could easily end up being just another Anglo in a nation where you are not native and not necessarily seen as a good thing for the local economy. Could get ugly then.

.....Alan.
 

darkdakota

Membership Revoked
Bill P said:
This reminds of the Frenchmen who sought refuge from the Nazis in the 1930s and moved to a remote South Pacific island. He bought a plantation on an old coal station well off the shipping lines, the advent of oil and diesel had pushed this island to the back of the back woods.

The island was Midway Island and the sight of the largest naval battle in th history of the Earth.

Bottom line: I doubt there is any 100% safe - safe haven.

There was also a guy in the Civil War that moved his family several times and kept winding up in the middle of the biggest battles. I believed they used his house to sign the papers ending hostilities.

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New Zealand might be nice if the super volcano there stays quiet.


I looked at New Zealand but it seems pretty expensive. One thing going for NZ is that they seem to have secured their borders a lot better then us and are actively trying to become a completely self sufficient island nation.

Alabama Boy spent a lot of time in South America and likes Argentina and Brazil. Columbians scare us both. Even a lot of them in New York keep that hardened stance. Cop friends tell me they know a Colombian hit scene because everything is dead. The target, Grandma, the cat, the fish in the tank, etc.
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shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Bill P said:
This reminds of the Frenchmen who sought refuge from the Nazis in the 1930s and moved to a remote South Pacific island. He bought a plantation on an old coal station well off the shipping lines, the advent of oil and diesel had pushed this island to the back of the back woods.

The island was Midway Island and the sight of the largest naval battle in th history of the Earth.
A similar tale I'd read had an Englishman of advanced age head out to the tropics in the late 1930's and after two years digently searching he finally settled down in mid-1939 to retire on his chosen tropical paradise, Guadalcanal.

Bottom Line; No place is ever guaranteed safe, but some places clearly have higher odds of seeing problems than others, so they'd be the ones to most avoid and then see what's left that's most appealing.

- Shane
 

rryan

Inactive
A.T.Hagan said:
It's one thing to move to Mexico, Costa Rica, Tahiti, where ever, when things are normal and your American Express is good, you can call the American Consulate, and what not.

It is quite another to use one of these countries as a bugout location for when it really hits the fan in any meaningful way. Unless there is a rather large American community (very large) you could easily end up being just another Anglo in a nation where you are not native and not necessarily seen as a good thing for the local economy. Could get ugly then.

.....Alan.


Alan makes a really important point here folks and is dead on...

I have spent a lot of time in Honduras/Nicaragua/Mexico/Guatemala/Costa Rica.

Costa Rica is nice---I'll be back there reguarly for dental work and beach time, and Nicaragua is a a great place to speculate and maybe get rich doing it, maybe lose everything.

Point is, a hiccup up here is a shcokwave there----one banking problem, atms down---anything and you stand a good chance of being stuck---literally---in a place where the locals are goign to blame the damage to their society entirely on the norteamericanos in their midst and they aint likely to be charitable.

Oe can live down there cheap---and avoid trouble for the most part---thing is to survive trouble when/if it comes requires a willingness and a mindset to do things you really might not wanna do or be able to do.

There are soem great places down south I wouldnt mind living in part time and feel pretty safe in---however it things go bad here you better believe it could get real damn ugly there
 

Ambleside

Senior Member
Okay, so where in the continental US can a couple of older folks go that want to escape from the Boston to Washington megalopolis go? I've got most of my stuff packed (in two garages)and ready to go but I don't know where to go? I currently am living in a rental. It would nice to be near other people with the same concerns.

Mountains of PA
Mountains of WV
Ohio ( Bill P and Casey's suggestion)
Tenn
Arkansas
NC (Lilrose)

Family members(non-preppers at this time) are located in SE PA and Austin, TX. When put together, all have great survival skills. Six adults and one child. But as with so many families, they don't see the train comin' like I do.

I want to establish a "retreat" location for the above. Any and all ideas would be appreciated. BTW I have "Searched" TB2K extensively and asked for opinions. Many people have been kind to give me pros and cons to certain areas which I truly appreciate. I don't know how to make the decision for the location. Being 60years old, in good health (now) and sound mind (now), I know this is a "last chance" with the funds I have.

A couple of years ago, I even traveled to Washington State and Western Canada by myself trying to decide. The "intentional" communities I have looked into don't have openings or cost more than I want to spend.

Survivalblog only recommends areas West of the Mississippi. With my circumstances, I would like to locate outside of a city with about 3,000 population.
Anybody know of any less publicized communities or some family or some one who wants to"go in together on a farm" as one thoughtful TB2k person suggested I ask about.

As I stated to a friend, I'm emotionally paralyzed in knowing what to do. I'm afraid that no decision is still a decision. The lease for the garages runs out in June. If I don't find a way to come to a decision, I will buy a place in the moutains north of Harrisburg, PA and call it done.

I think TB2k is a great site ( but missing some of the old timers). As other's have said before, this is like family. Look how we try to help each other.

Paula/Nona
Friend of Ambleside
 

Rams82

Inactive
Ambleside said:
Okay, so where in the continental US can a couple of older folks go that want to escape from the Boston to Washington megalopolis go? I've got most of my stuff packed (in two garages)and ready to go but I don't know where to go? I currently am living in a rental. It would nice to be near other people with the same concerns.

Mountains of PA
Mountains of WV
Ohio ( Bill P and Casey's suggestion)
Tenn
Arkansas
NC (Lilrose)

Family members(non-preppers at this time) are located in SE PA and Austin, TX. When put together, all have great survival skills. Six adults and one child. But as with so many families, they don't see the train comin' like I do.

I want to establish a "retreat" location for the above. Any and all ideas would be appreciated. BTW I have "Searched" TB2K extensively and asked for opinions. Many people have been kind to give me pros and cons to certain areas which I truly appreciate. I don't know how to make the decision for the location. Being 60years old, in good health (now) and sound mind (now), I know this is a "last chance" with the funds I have.

A couple of years ago, I even traveled to Washington State and Western Canada by myself trying to decide. The "intentional" communities I have looked into don't have openings or cost more than I want to spend.

Survivalblog only recommends areas West of the Mississippi. With my circumstances, I would like to locate outside of a city with about 3,000 population.
Anybody know of any less publicized communities or some family or some one who wants to"go in together on a farm" as one thoughtful TB2k person suggested I ask about.

As I stated to a friend, I'm emotionally paralyzed in knowing what to do. I'm afraid that no decision is still a decision. The lease for the garages runs out in June. If I don't find a way to come to a decision, I will buy a place in the moutains north of Harrisburg, PA and call it done.

I think TB2k is a great site ( but missing some of the old timers). As other's have said before, this is like family. Look how we try to help each other.

Paula/Nona
Friend of Ambleside
There are many places in the U.S.A. you can go. One day when I have the money I hope to move to the Wyoming-Idaho-Montana area. I know it will be quite a climate change from where I have lived here in Texas all my life though.
 

pixmo

Bucktoothed feline member
Michigan Upper Penninsula region might be a good place for hunting and fishing, as long as you don't mind the long winters.

Once in a while, we'll have a cold front come through where the UP is colder than Alaska. :lol:
 

WonderWhy

Inactive
Finding a safe place? Good question!

Here's another story about a family trying to move out of danger. Family of a friend -- Germans during WW2 -- were sick of the bombing raids, so before the end of the war they moved to Dresden. No military targets, and generally left alone because of its historic beauty. Of course, you've heard about the overwhelming bombing of Dresden and the resulting firestorm.

IMHO, find a place that's outside of major urban areas and near family and congenial people. Allies are going to mean a lot when TSHTF.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I've considered looking into Chile (which hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread) but haven't made any real effort in that direction yet. A friend took his family to Chile for a few years as part of his job with GE and they didn't have any horror stories of their experience, but I haven't had any luck getting them to send me any details.

Chile has been quite stable in the last 10 - 20 years compared to the rest of South America. You almost NEVER see it mentioned in the same sentence describing South American countries with problems. When Chile IS mentioned in a negative way it's almost always about Chile's past (short version ... Pinochet was a nasty SOB).

This recent bit of info is about the only thing I have on Chile: "Of Chile's top ten export items -- totaling approximately $28 billion -- copper accounts for $18 billion and molybdenum, which is essential to the production of stainless steel, for $3 billion, with salmon, wood pulp, wines, plywood, grapes, methanol, fish meal and apples trailing far behind."

Oddly enough, Chilean salmon farming really IS competing quite well with the Pacific Northwest, Alaska, and western Canada fishing industries. So in essence Chile is a resource colony for whatever big nation has the current hottest economy (which these days is China). But I imagine that would open the possibility of finding a job in the export business where an excellent knowledge of English and business would be assets for an expatriate.

I'd greatly appreciate any insights and commentary on Chile from other posters.
 
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