Any evidence that Quercetin works against the Chinese Plague (aka Covid 19)?
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WTH man? Plague is curable via standard antibiotics. You’re really out there lately.
Just sayin.
Just sayin.
Quercetin is more preventative than cure. Though it is a component in the MATH+ protocol -
MATH+ Prophylactic and At-Home Treatment Protocol
The initial MATH+ protocol10 was released in April 2020. In early July and August, it was updated11,12 to include quercetin and a number of optional nutrients and drugs, not only for critical care but also for prophylaxis and mild disease being treated at home.
There is evidence that vitamin C and quercetin co-administration exerts a synergistic antiviral action due to overlapping antiviral and immunomodulatory properties and the capacity of ascorbate to recycle quercetin, increasing its efficacy.
For prophylaxis, the FLCCC recommends:13
rtwt at Quercetin and Vitamin C: Synergistic Therapy for Covid19 - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
MATH+ Prophylactic and At-Home Treatment Protocol
The initial MATH+ protocol10 was released in April 2020. In early July and August, it was updated11,12 to include quercetin and a number of optional nutrients and drugs, not only for critical care but also for prophylaxis and mild disease being treated at home.
There is evidence that vitamin C and quercetin co-administration exerts a synergistic antiviral action due to overlapping antiviral and immunomodulatory properties and the capacity of ascorbate to recycle quercetin, increasing its efficacy.
For prophylaxis, the FLCCC recommends:13
- Vitamin C — 500 mg
- Quercetin — 250 mg to 500 mg
- Zinc — 75-100 mg/day (acetate, gluconate or picolinate). Zinc lozenges are preferred. After one month, reduce the dose to 30 mg to 50 mg per day
- Melatonin (slow release) — Begin with 0.3 mg and increase as tolerated to 2 mg at night
- Vitamin D3 — 1,000 to 4,000 IUs per day
rtwt at Quercetin and Vitamin C: Synergistic Therapy for Covid19 - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
jed turtle
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Been taking Quercetin (As quercetin dehydrate) at 500 mg One cap a day (2 a day is recommended) along with bromelain at 312 mg for the last 4 or more years, after reading it was recommended to strengthen the health of one’s lungs. I figure I get a fairly decent amount of zinc from daily consumption of eggs, cashews and various other natural foods to provide the effective combination suggested by studies of taking quercetin with zinc to fight the Wuhan flu virus. The only illness I have experienced in the last 5 or so years was january 7 or thereabouts, shortly after attending a party of retirees who no doubt had just returned from holidays spent who knows where. Intense headaches and the runs. Some aspirin knocked down the headaches, water, rest, and fluids straightened out the rest. Other than a week of fatigue, I quickly recovered and continue to take quercetin daily without rashes etc.
ETA I also take daily 1000 + mg vitamin C, 5000 IU vitamin D3 with K2, and zinc picolinate daily, not to mention a host of anti-viral herbal supplemental and NO pharmaceuticals, despite having several tick bites a year ( am a land surveyor), had Lyme disease back in ‘85, and a heart attack in 2014, am 69, and still cutting my own firewood... nutrition (no more crap oils), herbs, and daily physical work keeps me alive and healthy.
ETA I also take daily 1000 + mg vitamin C, 5000 IU vitamin D3 with K2, and zinc picolinate daily, not to mention a host of anti-viral herbal supplemental and NO pharmaceuticals, despite having several tick bites a year ( am a land surveyor), had Lyme disease back in ‘85, and a heart attack in 2014, am 69, and still cutting my own firewood... nutrition (no more crap oils), herbs, and daily physical work keeps me alive and healthy.
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Just wear a mask.
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Plague is not a virus and is easily cured with doxy as I recall.
Abe Froman
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Not if President Trump ever says it will work.
marsh
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Like chloroquine, quercetin is a zinc ionophore. Cells aren't ready receptors to a lot of zinc. Ionophores make the cell more receptive.
As this article states: "Zinc is a decidedly anti-viral mineral. High intracellular concentrations inhibit the replication of RNA type viruses, such as SARS-CoV-2. Zinc does this by blocking RNA-dependent RNA polymerase (RdRp), the core enzyme of their multiprotein replication and transcription complex that is critical for the copying of viral RNA. "
"In addition to chloroquine, the nutraceuticals quercetin (bioflavonoid) and epigallocatechin-gallate (green tea polyphenol) are also zinc ionophores. Quercetin plus zinc is being tested as an anti-viral in human clinical trials for the treatment of Covid-19. The combination had already made it through animal trials for use against Ebola and SARS-CoV1, and was approved by the FDA for human clinical trials. Plans are underway for a large scale trial in China for patients with Covid-19. " Covid-19: Chloroquine, Zinc and Quercetin
As this article states: "Zinc is a decidedly anti-viral mineral. High intracellular concentrations inhibit the replication of RNA type viruses, such as SARS-CoV-2. Zinc does this by blocking RNA-dependent RNA polymerase (RdRp), the core enzyme of their multiprotein replication and transcription complex that is critical for the copying of viral RNA. "
"In addition to chloroquine, the nutraceuticals quercetin (bioflavonoid) and epigallocatechin-gallate (green tea polyphenol) are also zinc ionophores. Quercetin plus zinc is being tested as an anti-viral in human clinical trials for the treatment of Covid-19. The combination had already made it through animal trials for use against Ebola and SARS-CoV1, and was approved by the FDA for human clinical trials. Plans are underway for a large scale trial in China for patients with Covid-19. " Covid-19: Chloroquine, Zinc and Quercetin
Tristan
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Troke, do you mean Yersinia Pestis (Bubonic/Pneumonic Plague) or the CCP Plague? (Covid-19)
Trivium Pursuit
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If Troke means Yersina Pestis, I would be using Lomatium and hi-dose Vitamin C, for starters.
Sorry for Phogging you folks. The Chinese Plague aka Covid 19.
No you’re not. Why not edit your OP and explain it there. If what you just said were true, you’d do that.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention, As usual,, I was being opaque.
Thank you!
L.A.B.
Goodness before greatness.
The right PPE most can’t breath through. N/P-100
Every other mask is psycho-logically comforting and a societal proggie nod and mostly useless.
Some Washoe Indian herbs with a 102 year old track record are... Well, old I would gather.
Trivium Pursuit
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Those Washoe may have been on to something. About Lomatium, you may find this of interest. This is a direct pull from the BS; note that I am not attributing the poster, I snipped to the chase and bolding mine:
(someone's friend who had tested positive for the virus): By that time his dry cough and low energy were wearing on him.
By Sunday night he started a tincture bottle of 14 drops Lomatium, then by late night another 14 a conservative 1/2 dosing each time. and by Monday, he (may have been dosing per instructions) 25 drops each dosage twice a day or more... have not confirmed yet.
What I did learn is that ‘he’ was now testing negative for CV-19.
L.A.B.
Goodness before greatness.
Yep, and from what I read online, one petite herbalist lady says she has taken 25 drops of a lomatium tincture daily for 20 years.
Funny thing people seem to fear the symptoms and sort of ignore the havoc the sleeping virus can wage over time on organs.
A war of attrition in our biospheres where the old sheep go first. Don’t be the sheep. Don’t waste your time being The Shepherd. Just get in the game, on your belly, under the wire and seek your anti-viral revenge.
Who wants to go under the wire and slice the little virus throat? Get Proactive!
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Some of us were able to see thru that.
Trivium Pursuit
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The 1st thing that really impressed me about the lomatium is that it appears to be anti fungal anti bacterial and anti viral altogether.
L.A.B.
Goodness before greatness.
Yes, and the traditional way to use it, was to slice the washed fresh root longitudinally, and let the resins bleed and coagulate on the surface. This dried tacky scab material is where the potency was beyond viral, effecting both bacterial and fungal.
Damn! I have been outed!
I have not been taking and don't have the Plague either, as of this morning.
Tristan
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Which pharmaceutical company is motivated to invest millions to prove the efficacy of an over-the-counter supplement?
Double blind scientific studies are a expensive proposition.
Anecdotal evidence isn't by definition 'proof' that something works.
So, what are you actually looking for? Anecdote or evidence?
However, IIRC from the big thread, one of the videos posted by MedCram was the original source of quercetin as a possible treatment/aid in fighting the bug, as it had even been tested vs. ebola. Maybe you could search for that vid to see the logic behind quercetin.
Hmmm I was not looking logic. I was looking for herds of anecdotal evidence similar to hydroq. I have found nothing which seems odd given the number of desperate people out there who can't get hydroq.
Anecdotal evidence isn't by definition 'proof' that something works.
The Poet said: Enough anecdotal evidence eventually becomes a statistic. Hydroq. has that. Quercetin does not.
Too bad, I was kind of hoping.
Tristan
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Well, I'm taking Quercetin, C+Zinc, and D3. No 'CCP plague' yet, either.
I'm not really sure the masses are into searching out alternative prophylaxis treatments, though, so where the masses of anecdotal evidence would come from I don't know.
And there's no agency that is going to go out and say "Hey! Everybody take this cheap supplement and it'll reduce the odds of getting the bug by xx%!!! Woo, hoo, it's cheap, too!"
Careers and fortunes aren't built that way. Neither are cushy after-government-service jobs assured that way, either.
We do know that Quercetin has been identified as a Zinc ionophore, and that Zinc has anti-viral properties. Therefore, it would seem reasonable that it may (may) reduce the odds of getting the harsh form of this disease. This has been reported on this forum for months. Given there had been no Govt. sanctioned prophylaxis protocols, some saw it's use as a way of potentially upping their odds against this, and perhaps other, bugs.
Recently there was a post where a Dr. or Group had suggested the very protocol we had been discussing on here for months. Not going to look it up, but it's here somewhere. IIRC, there's also a post referencing Dr. Zelensky's protocol (the Dr. who made waves for promoting HCQ and having the temerity to share how very few of his patients had severe disease)
But here's the thing: ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances.
Sicario
The Executor
DITTO. Wife works in a high-risk environment and some co-workers have contracted it, but she has not. Praise God!
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I think in most cases where HCQ is available it is used, because there is a track record, starting back in 2005 with NIH. Each success story adds to that record. If it is available at all, who wants to risk a less-proven treatment? Would you take an alternate, given a choice?
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My collection of HCQ stuff. I think you will what you seek in here.
I would if that is all there is and from what I read here, there should be almost unlimited demand, use, and anecdotes. Because HCQ is not available for the greater mass. But so far crickets.
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Only thing missing is anti social.
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Anti social?
jed turtle
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That’s very interesting! Just like colloidal/nano silver...
Mary Contrary
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Where do you get Lomatium from? Buy the root and make a tincture? I can make tinctures if I can get the root. Where?
hammerhead
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I just am recovering from my own bout with COVID. Lomatium was part of it, which I'd originally ID'd as potentially useful against the respiratory bit. I did have a fever, but there was never any respiratory distress or infection. NAC was in there too for loosening the phlegm, and that seemed to work excellently. (Mucinex nauseates me.)
Just for completeness, the entire armory was zinc glycinate, quercetin/bromelain, vitamin D, vitamin C, lomatium, NAC, dandelion root, and ivermectin. (And ibuprofin for the fever.) I wasn't fooling around.
I'm unvaccinated. Two of my neighbors came down with it at the same time; we had all been at a small dinner together. They were both vaccinated and boosted, and in the same age range as me, but both took longer to recover.
I did get the lomatium rash, which has not been that pleasant: ITCHY. My fever had broke by the time the rash started, so I discontinuted the lomatium at that point. So if there's a lomatium formulation out there that is reported to not lead to that, I'd recommend it strongly. Or at least read up on things that help, including, supposedly, dandelion root. (Didn't keep me from getting the rash, though maybe it was lessened; no way to know for sure.)
Just for completeness, the entire armory was zinc glycinate, quercetin/bromelain, vitamin D, vitamin C, lomatium, NAC, dandelion root, and ivermectin. (And ibuprofin for the fever.) I wasn't fooling around.
I'm unvaccinated. Two of my neighbors came down with it at the same time; we had all been at a small dinner together. They were both vaccinated and boosted, and in the same age range as me, but both took longer to recover.
I did get the lomatium rash, which has not been that pleasant: ITCHY. My fever had broke by the time the rash started, so I discontinuted the lomatium at that point. So if there's a lomatium formulation out there that is reported to not lead to that, I'd recommend it strongly. Or at least read up on things that help, including, supposedly, dandelion root. (Didn't keep me from getting the rash, though maybe it was lessened; no way to know for sure.)
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