GOV/MIL Another Travel Ban: IRS Moves To Revoke Passports For Unpaid Taxes

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Well this could get interesting, now folks living in the US with tax issues won't be able to leave the country and ex-pats caught up in the whole FATCA tax mess may have their passports canceled (but still be deemed US citizens until "permission" is given to renounce it; which won't happen if the IRS doesn't like your tax status).

My Dad (probably via Robert Heinlein) used to say "be worried when a country starts finding ways to prevent its citizens from leaving....

Feb 2, 2017 @ 08:38 AM 67,786 views

Another Travel Ban: IRS Moves To Revoke Passports For Unpaid Taxes

Robert W. Wood ,

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President Trump's executive order on travel may be generating big protests, but an IRS missive on travel and passports may not go down too well either. More than a year ago, in H.R.22, Congress gave the IRS a new weapon to collect taxes. Tax code Section 7345 is labeled, “Revocation or Denial of Passport in Case of Certain Tax Delinquencies.” The law isn't limited to criminal tax cases, or even cases where the IRS thinks you are trying to flee. The idea of the law is to use travel as a way to enforce tax collections. It was proposed and rejected in 2012. But by late 2015, Congress passed it and President Obama signed it.

Now, over a year later, the IRS has finally released new details on its website. If you have seriously delinquent tax debt, IRS can notify the State Department. The State Department generally will not issue or renew a passport after receiving certification from the IRS. The IRS has not yet started certifying tax debt to the State Department. The IRS says certifications will begin in early 2017, and the IRS website will be updated to indicate when this process has been implemented.

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Here is the new information from the IRS. Seriously delinquent tax debt is an individual's unpaid, legally enforceable federal tax debt totaling more than $50,000 (including interest and penalties, but subject to an inflation adjustment) for which:

A notice of federal tax lien has been filed and all administrative remedies under IRC § 6320 have lapsed or been exhausted or
A levy has been issued

Some tax debt is not included in determining seriously delinquent tax debt even if it meets the above criteria. It includes tax debt:

Being paid in a timely manner under an installment agreement entered into with the IRS
Being paid in a timely manner under an offer in compromise accepted by the IRS or a settlement agreement entered into with the Justice Department
For which a collection due process hearing is timely requested in connection with a levy to collect the debt
For which collection has been suspended because a request for innocent spouse relief under IRC Section 6015 has been made

Before denying a passport, the State Department will hold your application for 90 days to allow you to:

Resolve any erroneous certification issues
Make full payment of the tax debt
Enter into a satisfactory payment alternative with the IRS

There is no grace period for resolving the debt before the State Department revokes a passport.

Taxpayer Notification. The IRS is required to notify you in writing at the time the IRS certifies seriously delinquent tax debt to the State Department. The IRS is also required to notify you in writing at the time it reverses certification. The IRS will send written notice by regular mail to your last known address.

Reversal Of Certification. The IRS will notify the State Department of the reversal of the certification when:

The tax debt is fully satisfied or becomes legally unenforceable.
The tax debt is no longer seriously delinquent.
The certification is erroneous.

The IRS will provide notice as soon as practicable if the certification is erroneous. The IRS will provide notice within 30 days of the date the debt is fully satisfied, becomes legally unenforceable or ceases to be seriously delinquent tax debt. A previously certified debt is no longer seriously delinquent when:

You and the IRS enter into an installment agreement allowing you to pay the debt over time.
The IRS accepts an offer in compromise to satisfy the debt.
The Justice Department enters into a settlement agreement to satisfy the debt.
Collection is suspended because you request innocent spouse relief under IRC Section 6015.
You make a timely request for a collection due process hearing in connection with a levy to collect the debt.

The IRS will not reverse certification where a taxpayer requests a collection due process hearing or innocent spouse relief on a debt that is not the basis of the certification. Also, the IRS will not reverse the certification because the taxpayer pays the debt below $50,000.

Judicial Review. If the IRS certified your debt to the State Department, you can file suit in the U.S. Tax Court or a U.S. District Court to have the court determine whether the certification is erroneous, or the IRS failed to reverse the certification when it was required to do so. If the court determines the certification is erroneous or should be reversed, it can order reversal of the certification.

IRC Section 7345 does not provide the court authority to release a lien or levy or award money damages in a suit to determine whether a certification is erroneous. You are not required to file an administrative claim or otherwise contact the IRS to resolve the erroneous certification issue before filing suit in the U.S. Tax Court or a U.S. District Court.

Payment of Taxes. If you can’t pay the full amount you owe, you can make alternative payment arrangements such as an installment agreement or an offer in compromise and still keep your U.S. passport. If you disagree with the tax amount or the certification was made in error, you should contact the phone number listed on Notice CP 508C. If you’ve already paid the tax debt, please send proof of that payment to the address on the Notice CP 508C. If you recently filed your tax return for the current year and expect a refund , the IRS will apply the refund to the debt and if the refund is sufficient to satisfy your seriously delinquent tax debt, the account is considered fully paid.

Passport Status. If you need to verify whether your U.S. passport has been cancelled or revoked, you should contact the State Department by calling the National Passport Information Center at 877-487-2778. If you need your U.S. passport to keep your job, once your seriously delinquent tax debt is certified, you must fully pay the balance, or make an alternative payment arrangement to keep your passport. Once you’ve resolved your tax problem with the IRS, the IRS will reverse the certification within 30 days of resolution of the issue.

Travel. If you’re leaving in a few days for international travel and need to resolve passport issues, you should call the phone number listed on Notice CP 508C. If you already have a U.S. passport, you can use your passport until you’re notified by the State Department that it’s taking action to revoke or limit your passport. If the Secretary of State decides to revoke a passport, the Secretary of State, before making the revocation, may—

Limit a previously issued passport only for return travel to the United States; or
Issue a limited passport that only permits return travel to the United States.

If your passport is cancelled or revoked, after you’re certified, you must resolve the tax debt by paying the debt in full, making alternative payment arrangements or showing that the certification is erroneous. The IRS will notify the State Department of the reversal of your certification within 30 days of the date the tax debt is resolved.

For alerts to future tax articles, email me at Wood@WoodLLP.com. This article is not legal advice.
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Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Trump can't get around to dealing with and reining in the IRS soon enough, for me. They have the taken the position that everyone is guilty until they can no longer accuse a person of wrong-doing or it becomes too expensive for them to continue to accuse someone.

That whole mentality - including the draconian banking regulations assuming that we're all laundering drug money or supporting terrorists - needs to go away.

The IRS is the Bureaucratic SS. And yet they SELDOM snag who they say they're going after with their bean-counting, documentation redundant methods. This is leaving aside how rediculous it is to strong-arm foreign banks for information and dictating their regulations and standards and privacy protocols.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
I thought the IRS had been doing this for a couple of years......

we heard when we wintered in AZ that Canadian/US duals needed to be aware of this potential problem.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Trump can't get around to dealing with and reining in the IRS soon enough, for me. They have the taken the position that everyone is guilty until they can no longer accuse a person of wrong-doing or it becomes too expensive for them to continue to accuse someone.

That whole mentality - including the draconian banking regulations assuming that we're all laundering drug money or supporting terrorists - needs to go away.

The IRS is the Bureaucratic SS. And yet they SELDOM snag who they say they're going after with their bean-counting, documentation redundant methods. This is leaving aside how rediculous it is to strong-arm foreign banks for information and dictating their regulations and standards and privacy protocols.

It will be a lot easier to think of us as "winning" when that particular dog's teeth are pulled.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Wouldn't it be nice if this was to cage the swamp rats, and keep many from getting away.
 

Hawkgirl_70

Veteran Member
That sounds like another great move! I have to pay taxes, those that have been habitually delinquent should too!
 

sierra don

Veteran Member
That whole mentality - including the draconian banking regulations assuming that we're all laundering drug money or supporting terrorists - needs to go away.

I don't like to keep but a few dollars in my checking acct. and when I need to pay bills and such I always transfer from savings to checking to do so and it never fails I always get the message that I have exceeded my transaction limit (allowed 6 transfers a month). When this happens I have to drive 20 miles to get to town and do the xfer in person at the bank, really pisses me off, it's my money.

On top of that I have my overdraft set to pull the cash from my savings and the bastards charge me 12 dollars for their computer to pull my money from one acct to another. If I used their credit system for overdraft they would charge me 35 bucks for the xfer and charge me interest to use their cash. Nothing like being a couple of dollars short and losing 12 to 35 bucks to cover that 2 dollars.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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That sounds like another great move! I have to pay taxes, those that have been habitually delinquent should too!

Except that those "habitually delinquent" are major corporations that never pay and none of those involved will have their passports restricted in any way.
They will go after the little guy only.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
That whole mentality - including the draconian banking regulations assuming that we're all laundering drug money or supporting terrorists - needs to go away.

I don't like to keep but a few dollars in my checking acct. and when I need to pay bills and such I always transfer from savings to checking to do so and it never fails I always get the message that I have exceeded my transaction limit (allowed 6 transfers a month). When this happens I have to drive 20 miles to get to town and do the xfer in person at the bank, really pisses me off, it's my money.

On top of that I have my overdraft set to pull the cash from my savings and the bastards charge me 12 dollars for their computer to pull my money from one acct to another. If I used their credit system for overdraft they would charge me 35 bucks for the xfer and charge me interest to use their cash. Nothing like being a couple of dollars short and losing 12 to 35 bucks to cover that 2 dollars.

I just got mail saying that, starting in March, my checking account will be transformed from a free checking account to a secure checking account for which I must pay six dollars a month. I need provide them with no consent to do this, or even a request to do so. They're just going to do it for me.

I'm already looking into credit unions.
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Some of this kind fee structure is the banks still trying to make a buck; they are, after all, a business too and have all the same health care/benefits cost as any other business. I agree, that for a computer transaction the fee should non-existant or minimal; a couple bucks.

The banks don't make up these rules. They are dictated from on high - the IRS, the FED, FDIC, Consumer Protection Bureau, and Congress. They don't want to deal with any more red tape, regulatory dictates or reporting obligations than we do.

But it's really frustrating and a dis-incentive to bank with anyone under these rules and regulations. Please note that credit unions are subject to a lot of the same crap. And that Smallville, USA can't just start their own bank. Oh no... that all has to be permitted and approved and nit-picked to death.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
That sounds like another great move! I have to pay taxes, those that have been habitually delinquent should too!
Many of the people affected live over seas and if they earn less than 100,000 dollars per year (which is most people) they are exempt - but they have to fill out a number of forms, some of which were never very well advertised and some of which are very complicated - a few years ago, the IRS law was changed demanding not only that US Citizens show all their bank records but that foreign banks VERIFY these records at their own expense (without compensation from the US for their demands, but a severe punishment if they didn't comply).

Worse the IRS often considers the income made by a non-US citizen spouse "income;" usually in violation of local laws so the foreign born spouse ignore this...

The result of this and more petty stuff I won't bore you with (its already been mentioned in other threads) means a lot of US citizens may owe no taxes but they get "fines" of between 25,000 to 100,000 dollars for either not filling out forms or for "taxes" on their non-US citizen spouses income - which in many countries they have no control over.

To make this an even worse catch 22; the US will not "allow" US citizens to renounce their citizenship these days without paying nearly 3,000 dollars in fees and "all back taxes and fines" the IRS "decides" they owe (again often on their foreign spouses income).

If the person is a duel citizen like me; they can "cope" by never ever returning to the US and I suspect a legal case could be made (in Europe at least) that by cancelling the passport the US has defacto removed a person's US Citizenship and either made them "stateless" (illegal under some international treaties) and/or simply now frees them from paying US taxes at all - since the US is one of only TWO countries on earth that charge citizens taxes who live aboard - NO ONE else does this except one tiny African heck hole.

Oh and finally (I promise this is it) it is illegal for a US citizen to travel to the US on any other passport they may have; so effectively by cancelling the passport they not only trap people IN the US they trap them OUT.

Which is why I suspect at least EU courts will rule the US has effectively renounced the citizenship for those whose passports they cancel and that they no longer owe US taxes nor do European banks have to give a fig about providing "information" to the IRS (again without any compensation).

The US of course won't recognize that ruling; but it will protect some people if this actually occurs as long as they never set foot back inside the United States....
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I just got mail saying that, starting in March, my checking account will be transformed from a free checking account to a secure checking account for which I must pay six dollars a month. I need provide them with no consent to do this, or even a request to do so. They're just going to do it for me.

I'm already looking into credit unions.

What are you going to do if they are eliminating the product and that was why you were given no consent request???
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
That whole mentality - including the draconian banking regulations assuming that we're all laundering drug money or supporting terrorists - needs to go away.

I don't like to keep but a few dollars in my checking acct. and when I need to pay bills and such I always transfer from savings to checking to do so and it never fails I always get the message that I have exceeded my transaction limit (allowed 6 transfers a month). When this happens I have to drive 20 miles to get to town and do the xfer in person at the bank, really pisses me off, it's my money.

On top of that I have my overdraft set to pull the cash from my savings and the bastards charge me 12 dollars for their computer to pull my money from one acct to another. If I used their credit system for overdraft they would charge me 35 bucks for the xfer and charge me interest to use their cash. Nothing like being a couple of dollars short and losing 12 to 35 bucks to cover that 2 dollars.
Try a single penny. Yep, got an overdraft charge for that. Pissed does not describe it, it's been a while, but it seems that a refund wasn't in place when they said it would be and I got caught holding the short straw.

Yes Laurane, they did this several years ago, and I thought it was bs then. The irs goes out of it's way to make everyone guilty, then adds fees and interest so a person has to take much longer to get out from under their burden, much like the college loan scam. If POTUS Trump lets this slide I will be mighty concerned, because if you can't leave (you don't have to be guilty) and they are building fences (they keep people in as well as out), it creates quite a noose. POTUS Trump won't be POTUS forever. Also, Americans must still pay income tax even when they live abroad, and they can't transfer over a certain amount of their own money out of country. That stuff gives me the heebie jeebies and I can't help but think of the people trying to flee Germany before the walls caved in.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
What are you going to do if they are eliminating the product and that was why you were given no consent request???

That's why I'm looking into credit unions. I plan to shut the account down altogether and write checks on a NEW organization, likely a credit union, thus depriving them of what little I kept with them in the first place. I hope to make stupid hurt again.
 

Bardou

Veteran Member
Good! I believe there's a couple Congressmen who owe back taxes and own property in the Bahamas.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Good! I believe there's a couple Congressmen who owe back taxes and own property in the Bahamas.

This isn't aimed at them. (Believe me, they will find a way around it)
It is about control. it is aimed at you and me.
The IRS should be dismantled.
 
Melodi,

Informative insanity — another in-your-face illustration of the counterproductive (supposedly) "governmental-authorized" lunacy that U.S. citizens have tolerated for far too long.

Thank you for the detailed discussion and examples regarding the international reach of the IRS, and how their out-of-control rules make life difficult for an average American citizen living abroad.

Looking back across the decades since I have become aware that the IRS de facto clearly operates as the immoral and unmitigated extinguisher of the vital and necessary economic life force of targeted U.S. citizens and their interests, it has become clear to me that they are NOT, nor never were, controlled by the U.S. Congress or Executive. Rather, they belong to another non-American entity, which operates entirely outside of the guarantees afforded to all U.S. citizens, as articulated in the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Who is their real puppet-master? Why have we allowed this (obvious) pink elephant into our nation's collective living room, to wreak mayhem and disaster on everything that surrounds it?

Human psychology-in-action, played by willing participants in creating and maintaining their own group blindness, encouraged by a not-so-hidden active negative agenda to their direct interests, is a wondrously unnerving circumstance to behold.


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Good! I believe there's a couple Congressmen who owe back taxes and own property in the Bahamas.

Schadenfreude — from Wikipedia

"Schadenfreude . . . is pleasure derived from the misfortune of others. Borrowed from German into English and several other languages, it is a feeling of joy that comes from seeing or hearing about another person's troubles or failures. It is an expression of pleasure or self-satisfaction at another's failure."​


Schadenfreude does nothing to fix the situation — in fact, it actually encourages the perpetuation and furtherance of the problem by cultivating an intended and purposefully induced distraction via the enlistment of others in embracing and reinforcing the idea that there is "a moment of joy" to be found in the celebration of some delicious negativity that has befallen an approved and agreed-upon boogeyman.

Instead of the proper gathering and necessary accumulation of group opinion and focused collective determination, the individual's rightful rage is improperly redirected and spent on "feel-good" and non-solution/action and purposelessness — essentially, it is a form of momentarily medicating/reducing an individual's anxiety and/or anger levels without the aid of ingested substances (similar in result to how a piece of candy will usually attenuate and redirect the unruly behavior of a restive child) — while simultaneously negating/grounding out the development and formation of an effective like-minded collective response as the proper answer to such problem types, in which a properly gathered collective wields a much more powerfully noticed/focused/enabled group-sized inertia-force formed into a "weighty one-voice punch" towards resolution (i.e., "We, the people . . .), and all of which the Founding Fathers understood in their collective quest towards "a morally better tomorrow."

On a side note — TB2K (a comprehensive "collective," as it were) does have its purposes in the larger scheme of all that is good and just, in the end — the proof is self-evident and abundant.


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Laurane

Canadian Loonie
it is illegal for a US citizen to travel to the US on any other passport they may have

not quite correct - my husband travels on his Canadian passport all the time to USA - he has also used his American one to go back and forth across the local border into WA as they don't hassle Americans so much (usually they are training new people and tell us that), but it all takes time when a senior couple has to go into Secondary for a fruit check with a dog and a new employee.

His U.S. one is about to expire and with his health problems I don't foresee him every going down there again (without insurance), so we will just not renew. And we won't file any more tax returns, so they will cross check and think he is dead......and probably not check the Voting Rolls.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Canada may be a special case, but the no-fly to the US on your second passport is frequently mentioned in US Embassy notices and the like (I'm on the expat list) it also comes on the Americans in Ireland list a lot; especially for duel citizen children.

But if I recall correctly, for many years passports were not even required to enter the US from Canada if you had a driver's license - I could be wrong though.

I did have a plan B when my Mother was ill, if I could not have gotten my US passport renewed quickly - I planned to fly into Vancouver on my Irish passport and take the ferry to Seattle using my American one (it hadn't expired yet, it was just about to) and then fly to California.

I didn't want to do that, because I didn't want to be stuck in the US waiting for the passport to be renewed by the post office...

As for the IRS issues; what really got me in addition to all the pain and chaos they have caused ex-pats; was the US just decided it could order foreign banks around and try to force them to provide information for free!

Instead of any carrots, they just gave the stick of "we'll charge you 30 percent on all currency transactions" or something like that; the response was for most European banks to dump their US citizen customers, even duel citizens who had accounts with them for decades.

When you realize that in most of Europe it is impossible to live and pay bills without a bank account (or a post office/rural account that is also backed by a bank somewhere) you realize how serious this is - in Sweden even when we lived there the electric company did NOT take cash...that was 22 years ago.
 
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