REL GENRL 'Anonymous' Hackers Call Religion a 'Sickness,' Declare War on Christianity?

[Kathy in FL]

'Anonymous' Hackers Call Religion a 'Sickness,' Declare War on Christianity?

Members claiming to be part of the formless Internet hacker group "Anonymous" took down three church websites on March 2, replacing their main pages with a clip from evolutionary biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins and posting a statement that branded all religion as a "sickness."

"Let us be clear from the start: any kind of religion is a sickness to this world. A sickness that creates hate and intolerance, a sickness that brings people to wage war on their fellow people, a sickness that has come to this world long time ago, when mankind wasn't educated, a sickness that brought false hope and suppression to those who believed and often even more terror and suppression to those who dared not to believe," the message by Anonymous begins and continues to accuse religion and Christianity as being a source for most of the wars that have occurred throughout history.

It also identifies religion, along with the world's governments, as being the main source of oppression and a force that keeps most people down while giving power to the select few.

It is difficult to ascertain if the attackers really were from the Anonymous group, who have no recognized form of leadership and do not adhere to a membership code of conduct. The group has previously shut down the FBI and Recording Industry Association of America websites in support of content-pirating websites, such as The Pirate Bay, and have been a driving force behind the "Occupy" movement.

A 30-minute long YouTube video, "Richard Dawkins: An Atheist's Call to Arms," was posted on the websites of Bethel Outreach International Church, Charlotte International Church, and Crossfire Ministries, all from North Carolina but seemingly chosen at random, in which Dawkins encourages non-believers to unite and stick up for their belief.

Anonymous dOes have a Twitter account, however, which has over 276,783 followers, and it announced the church attack in a tweet on Friday that read: "HACKED Reason:religious idiocy and foh dah lulz #Anonymous #AntiSec #OWS #ROOTED #DAWKINS."

Last week, Anonymous also declared war on America in a YouTube video, in which it called on U.S. citizens to rise up against the government. There have been no reports of a response to the call for action so far.

 

[American Rage]

I still think "Anonymous" is tied in with at least the UN, if not Obamao.

 

[Publius]

Something tells me its just some rouge hackers claiming to be with Anonymous.

 

[OddOne]

Well, they're right in a roundabout way, which is why there's this "Armageddon" thing coming. Part of its purpose is to sweep away those that God considers as unrighteous, human opinions notwithstanding. Along with the unrighteous will go the falsehoods that made them unrighteous, and the driving force behind those falsehoods gets incarcerated and removed from exerting any influence over humanity. He and his minions are held over for later judgement.

 

[Kent]

They are tied to the commies at OWS. It should not be a surprise they are anti-Christian.

 

[Dobbin]

Gosh. Such hubris.

Joe

 

[TerryK]

They have threatened a number of groups.
One day they will piss off the wrong group and then one by one they will start disappearing. Eventually a few bodies will turn up in shallow graves and word will get out that it could be a dangerous club to join

 

[Publius]

Maybe someone can ask them directly if they have anything to do with this. My self I doubt it as it would not serve them well. They also have a twitter account.

http://anonops.blogspot.com

 

[old pirate]

i believe in a round about way they are right.

to start out with, I believe in god.
i have a friend that "has found Jesus and the bible".
He has gone so far over the edge that he listens to some super religious bible channel on his way to and from work. He wakes up early to read the bible. He goes to bible class 3 to 4 nights a week. He reads the bible every night.
You can not have a two minute conversation without Jesus or the bible quote coming out of his mouth.
If you do not constantly postulate(may be using in wrong context) you are not a good christian.
Jews are just lost and will never go to heaven.
Everything on TV is the DEVIL.
constantly judging others as sinners and works of the DEVIL.

Now tell me, that is a sickness and an addiction as a heroin or crack addict.
It has consumed his life.

 

[mrrk1562]

armageddon is not a thing it is a place a very realy place in the dessert ..but any way the more they want to bash us just makes me want to more of one and be proud of it

 

[Housecarl]

When they do that to the same number of mosques I'll be more convinced as to their veracity.

 

[Red Sky]

It seems to me that anonymous is being used to orchestrate a very convenient plan.

 

[Kathy in FL]

Maybe someone can ask them directly if they have anything to do with this. My self I doubt it as it would not serve them well. They also have a twitter account.

http://anonops.blogspot.com

That was answered in the article.

Anonymous dOes have a Twitter account, however, which has over 276,783 followers, and it announced the church attack in a tweet on Friday that read: "HACKED Reason:religious idiocy and foh dah lulz #Anonymous #AntiSec #OWS #ROOTED #DAWKINS."

 

[LoupGarou]

Well, if they say religion is a problem, especially ones that are tied into governments, I am waiting for them to go after Islamic websites.

I'm not holding my breath...

Loup

 

[Rucus Sunday]

This got my curiosity going. So I did some research but have so far been unable to determine what religion Vladimir Ilyich Lenin belonged to. Had to be some kind of a religious nut with all the deaths he was responsible for. Also came up blank when I looked into the religion of Stalin, Mao, Deng Xiaoping, Idi Amin, and Pol Pot. Pentecostals, maybe?

 

[Maverick]

The only religion that I can truly say has ever served me well is: Use your head. Imaginary friends are just that.

 

[LoupGarou]

This got my curiosity going. So I did some research but have so far been unable to determine what religion Vladimir Ilyich Lenin belonged to. Had to be some kind of a religious nut with all the deaths he was responsible for. Also came up blank when I looked into the religion of Stalin, Mao, Deng Xiaoping, Idi Amin, and Pol Pot. Pentecostals, maybe?

From what I could find:
Lenin (athiest)
Stalin (thrown out of Georgian Orthodox seminary for rebellion and atheist beliefs)
Mao (Made his own, Maoism)
Deng Xiaoping (atheist)
Idi Amin (Muslim)
Pol Pot (went to Catholic school in Phnom Penh, but became Maoist)


Loup

 

[ainitfunny]

i believe in a round about way they are right.

to start out with, I believe in god.
i have a friend that "has found Jesus and the bible".
He has gone so far over the edge that he listens to some super religious bible channel on his way to and from work. He wakes up early to read the bible. He goes to bible class 3 to 4 nights a week. He reads the bible every night.
You can not have a two minute conversation without Jesus or the bible quote coming out of his mouth.
If you do not constantly postulate(may be using in wrong context) you are not a good christian.
Jews are just lost and will never go to heaven.
Everything on TV is the DEVIL.
constantly judging others as sinners and works of the DEVIL.

Now tell me, that is a sickness and an addiction as a heroin or crack addict.
It has consumed his life.

That is a fairly common response when you first come to faith. The intensity of the experience mellows and matures with time.

You say you "believe in God", that could mean anything. As St. Timothy says "even devils believe in God...and tremble." Mere belief in God is not saving faith. I hope you have more than just a belief in the existence of God.

 

[TKD_Kid]

i believe in a round about way they are right.

to start out with, I believe in god.
i have a friend that "has found Jesus and the bible".
He has gone so far over the edge that he listens to some super religious bible channel on his way to and from work. He wakes up early to read the bible. He goes to bible class 3 to 4 nights a week. He reads the bible every night.
You can not have a two minute conversation without Jesus or the bible quote coming out of his mouth.
If you do not constantly postulate(may be using in wrong context) you are not a good christian.
Jews are just lost and will never go to heaven.
Everything on TV is the DEVIL.
constantly judging others as sinners and works of the DEVIL.

Now tell me, that is a sickness and an addiction as a heroin or crack addict.
It has consumed his life.

THANK YOU !!!!!!!! I've been on both sides of the table. Easter Sunday two years ago I got baptised and from there it was this that of jesus and my ex wife didn't help either. But totally agree with ya. Thats why though not fully practicing I do read about my roots (family history as well) of being a solitare practicioner of wicca. Yes I admit here. But love the solitary religions and I read in private and don't pond my faith onto other people like some hard core christians. And me and mom have talked about this with my family and we both agree that my grandpa is a prime example of how a christian should be and act. He clocks in and clocks out there at church does his thing, goes to church functions but when he clocks out he leaves it there other then reading the bible and studying up on lesson plans for Sunday school.

 

[Flippper]

It seems to me that anonymous is being used to orchestrate a very convenient plan.

As I too, believe. Destabilizing established laws or organizations via "hacking" them appears to be used to change laws or enact new ones serving only those in power. If you have inside information such as the fed gov has via databases they've been compiling on all Americans for decades without their knowledge or consent mostly, you can pretend to be King of the Hackers, serving up private things regarding just about anybody. Like John Tietor's "returned" time traveling claims.

Did anyone ever find any evidence that they were indeed, CIA?

 

[Marthanoir]

Anonymous, the group opposed to internet censorship, opposed to govt interference, opposed to govt secrets, they want to take out Christianity, yeah that sounds like freedom.

Nothing more than a bunch of liberals, socialists, communists call them what you will,

FREEDOM THROUGH CONTROL

They're working on behalf of the UN or the White House or somebody but who ever it is there is a leftist agenda.

No doubt it will be the firearms related websites next

 

[Beth]

While the intent of this group, if it is one, appears to be aimed at all governing factions in the world, there is some truth to the stated complaints.

Let's fact it, what is known as Christianity today has little to do with the teachings of Christ, and the governments of this world most certainly don't adhere to them.

Christianity has earned a bad rap over the past 2,000 years. Catholics have burned Protestants, Muslims, Jews, and all other non-Catholics, and then Protestants returned the favor and became anything but Christlike themselves, and not much has changed, I'm sorry to say.

Christianity has over 2,000 'Divisions and sects.' That's one for every year since the birth of Christ, on average, and 'God hates divisions and sects,' so we're doing it wrong, folks!

We're fond, I notice, of disparaging Islam, and while I don't agree with their theology, it was Christians who began The Crusades and ticked them off in the first place, and Christians are still warring against Christians all over the globe - and Christ never taught that! He taught us to love one another and 'Pray for those persecuting you.' Few Christians bother to listen to Him, sadly.

ALL of humankind, it seems, is in a terrible state and we need GOD to establish His Kingdom badly. All things in His time, I know, but it can't come a moment too soon for me.

You?

 

[Richard]

David Icke described Dawkins as "concrete on legs"

I'm thinking or running an Ad on the buses in Oxford UK where he lives, "Richard Dawkins IS God" in reply to the recent Ad he ran saying "there is no God get over it" or words to that effect

 

[Richard]

While the intent of this group, if it is one, appears to be aimed at all governing factions in the world, there is some truth to the stated complaints.

Let's fact it, what is known as Christianity today has little to do with the teachings of Christ, and the governments of this world most certainly don't adhere to them.

Christianity has earned a bad rap over the past 2,000 years. Catholics have burned Protestants, Muslims, Jews, and all other non-Catholics, and then Protestants returned the favor and became anything but Christlike themselves, and not much has changed, I'm sorry to say.

Christianity has over 2,000 'Divisions and sects.' That's one for every year since the birth of Christ, on average, and 'God hates divisions and sects,' so we're doing it wrong, folks!

We're fond, I notice, of disparaging Islam, and while I don't agree with their theology, it was Christians who began The Crusades and ticked them off in the first place, and Christians are still warring against Christians all over the globe - and Christ never taught that! He taught us to love one another and 'Pray for those persecuting you.' Few Christians bother to listen to Him, sadly.

ALL of humankind, it seems, is in a terrible state and we need GOD to establish His Kingdom badly. All things in His time, I know, but it can't come a moment too soon for me.

You?

the plain fact is that ALL monotheist religions regard their God as the only one true God, therefore they will always disagree fundamentally with other monotheistic religions, even within a faith each sect regards their version as being the only true belief

religions do not cause war but human nature does particularly in the struggle for power, religions forming a power/ruling base have been largely replaced by political parties, so there will always be wars/conflicts between groups who want to run the world differently and who is to say which party is right or wrong

 

[Beth]

Hmm. 'The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.'!'

Y'know, I can understand why people 'get mad' at God. (As ridiculous as that may be.)
I can understand people disagreeing about what God teaches.
But I cannot understand how anyone can believe and say that God doesn't exist.

'I am perceived by the things made, so that you are inexcusable, oh man.'

Wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of that argument!

 

[Beth]

the plain fact is that ALL monotheist religions regard their God as the only one true God, therefore they will always disagree fundamentally with other monotheistic religions, even within a faith each sect regards their version as being the only true belief

religions do not cause war but human nature does particularly in the struggle for power, religions forming a power/ruling base have been largely replaced by political parties, so there will always be wars/conflicts between groups who want to run the world differently and who is to say which party is right or wrong

Mm-hmm, Richard, and the chief error in this not-so-divine comedy is that man even wants to rule the world.

Man was only given dominion over the animals, not each other, but when Israel demanded a human king, God let them have their way to show them that they weren't capable of governing themselves, but He considered it an act of faithlessness and warned them (and all of us) that they/we would regret it.

Every human I know has more trouble than he can handle just trying to 'rule' himself - to live one day perfectly! (Myself included.)

I've never understood why anyone would want to rule the world, have you?

 

[Kathy in FL]

It is what it is foLks. Anonymous has also been used by the Occupy Wallstreet crowd to ostracize and control their detractors.

Just because they don't currently hold any seat of government directly doesn't mean they don't have the intention of gaining control and power through fear and intimidation. Anon is just a new kind of bully only this one doesn't have the testosterone to show their faces ... an even more cowardly bully.

 

[ainitfunny]

it was Christians who began The Crusades and ticked them off in the first place,

Um....that is an anti-Christian opinion manufactured and inserted into public school children. They innocently accept such dogma as fact from the teachers they trust, carry it and repeat it throughout adulthood without ever questioning if it is true or not or seeking to find out from pre-revisionist history what really stirred the Christians of Europe to assemble against the Muslims.

 

[jed turtle]

Catholics have burned Protestants, Muslims, Jews, and all other non-Catholics, and then Protestants returned the favor and became anything but Christlike themselves, and not much has changed, I'm sorry to say.

, it was Christians who began The Crusades and ticked them off in the first place, and Christians are still warring against Christians all over the globe -

hmmm. quite a few indications of history deprivation there, Beth.

you might do well to study what happened to the "protestants" after running away from the catholics. especially when they wanted to start translating the holy scriptures into the common tongue from latin. and of course the "church of england" was really just an exercise in rebellion by king henry, rather than the result of a spiritual return to God that undergirded the rest of the protestant sects.

as for the laughable "christians started the Crusades", you have no idea of the unspeakable crimes mohammed and his warriors inflicted upon the peaceable christian countries that they invaded, and that they weren't stopping there. all of europe was at risk. only war stopped them at the gates of Vienna, or outside Paris. you have NO idea. none.

 

[Beth]

Um....that is an anti-Christian opinion manufactured and inserted into public school children. They innocently accept such dogma as fact from the teachers they trust, carry it and repeat it throughout adulthood without ever questioning if it is true or not or seeking to find out from pre-revisionist history what really stirred the Christians of Europe to assemble against the Muslims.

I didn't learn that in school, ain'titfunny. Any Christian hierarchy you care to name will blame the 'other team' for invading their homeland - and the 'other team,' predictably, blames the Christian hierarchy. It's enlightening reading both sides of the scrolls.

When one seeks the truth one has no other agenda.

 

[Beth]

hmmm. quite a few indications of history deprivation there, Beth.

you might do well to study what happened to the "protestants" after running away from the catholics. especially when they wanted to start translating the holy scriptures into the common tongue from latin. and of course the "church of england" was really just an exercise in rebellion by king henry, rather than the result of a spiritual return to God that undergirded the rest of the protestant sects.

as for the laughable "christians started the Crusades", you have no idea of the unspeakable crimes mohammed and his warriors inflicted upon the peaceable christian countries that they invaded, and that they weren't stopping there. all of europe was at risk. only war stopped them at the gates of Vienna, or outside Paris. you have NO idea. none.

Really? And you know this... how? I'm not interested in arguing with you but my (considerable) research obviously differs from yours and to delve into it would require another thread. If you'd like to start one in the religious forum, I'll happily document my findings there - God Willing.

 

[ainitfunny]

I didn't learn that in school, ain'titfunny. Any Christian hierarchy you care to name will blame the 'other team' for invading their homeland - and the 'other team,' predictably, blames the Christian hierarchy. It's enlightening reading both sides of the scrolls.

When one seeks the truth one has no other agenda.

You don't get off that easy.
You were "called" and are still obviously trying to bluff that you know anything about the Crusades and validate your previous silly comment. Fess up so we can play the next hand. You look silly.

That is like saying the Americans bombing Hiroshima was the reason the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor.

 

[seeking one]

Something tells me its just some rouge hackers claiming to be with Anonymous.

I think you mean "rogue" not "rouge". Rouge is makeup.

 

[seeking one]

While the intent of this group, if it is one, appears to be aimed at all governing factions in the world, there is some truth to the stated complaints.

Let's fact it, what is known as Christianity today has little to do with the teachings of Christ, and the governments of this world most certainly don't adhere to them.

Christianity has earned a bad rap over the past 2,000 years. Catholics have burned Protestants, Muslims, Jews, and all other non-Catholics, and then Protestants returned the favor and became anything but Christlike themselves, and not much has changed, I'm sorry to say.

Christianity has over 2,000 'Divisions and sects.' That's one for every year since the birth of Christ, on average, and 'God hates divisions and sects,' so we're doing it wrong, folks!

We're fond, I notice, of disparaging Islam, and while I don't agree with their theology, it was Christians who began The Crusades and ticked them off in the first place, and Christians are still warring against Christians all over the globe - and Christ never taught that! He taught us to love one another and 'Pray for those persecuting you.' Few Christians bother to listen to Him, sadly.

ALL of humankind, it seems, is in a terrible state and we need GOD to establish His Kingdom badly. All things in His time, I know, but it can't come a moment too soon for me.

You?

The Crusades were a direct result of the fall of Iberia (Spain) and other parts of Europe to Muslim conquest which lasted for a couple of hundred years. That's why the Alhambra (built by Muslims) Palace is located in Spain. History can be your friend.

Did you also know that the word "slave" is slang for Slavic? That's because young, blonde slavic boys were considered to be the best "slaves" for a Muslim to have. I leave the rest to your imagination and Muslim "culture". In fact, Muslims actually began the African Slave Trade and it was a Muslim monopoly for several hundred years. The trails back to Muslim lands is still today covered with artifacts of the trade like neck and leg irons. The desert is littered with the artifacts of the Muslim Slave Trade.

 

[Aardaerimus]

"Anonymous" is not an individual, or even a "group", really. Anyone and everyone can be anonymous, and therefore anyone can make bold statements and claims.

Take a random cross section of society - let's say 1500 people - and put them in a room together. What are the chances that any given individual in that group defines or embodies the entire belief structure of the other 1499 people? From government to religion even down to what kind of socks they think are best? I'd contend that there's a 0% chance of this.

No one speaks for anonymous.
No one represents anonymous.
Anyone can claim to be anonymous - Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, etc - and therefore cannot claim for the entire body to be at war with any particular religion, as it would be at war with itself.

Any news article presenting the claims of Anonymous is, therefore, a fallacy - fool fodder for those who simply lack comprehension as to what Anonymous is.

 

[mt4design]

"Anonymous" is not an individual, or even a "group", really. Anyone and everyone can be anonymous, and therefore anyone can make bold statements and claims.

Take a random cross section of society - let's say 1500 people - and put them in a room together. What are the chances that any given individual in that group defines or embodies the entire belief structure of the other 1499 people? From government to religion even down to what kind of socks they think are best? I'd contend that there's a 0% chance of this.

No one speaks for anonymous.
No one represents anonymous.
Anyone can claim to be anonymous - Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, etc - and therefore cannot claim for the entire body to be at war with any particular religion, as it would be at war with itself.

Any news article presenting the claims of Anonymous is, therefore, a fallacy - fool fodder for those who simply lack comprehension as to what Anonymous is.

Exactly.

I'll go further.

Perception IS reality.

There is an entire global industry dedicated to manipulating you, legally, utilizing advertising. I participate in that business. We use print, broadcast, social media, and more to try to sway your vision of what you need.

There is an even larger, global industry dedicated to manipulating you by all means necessary and shape your perception of reality to fit their purpose and they do so in the shadows. Please believe that they will use all means necessary in order to shape your vision of what it is you need or what you believe, etc.

In the end, you need to believe because it is in your heart.

The truth resides within you.

Mike

 

[Kathy in FL]

"Anonymous" is not an individual, or even a "group", really. Anyone and everyone can be anonymous, and therefore anyone can make bold statements and claims.

Take a random cross section of society - let's say 1500 people - and put them in a room together. What are the chances that any given individual in that group defines or embodies the entire belief structure of the other 1499 people? From government to religion even down to what kind of socks they think are best? I'd contend that there's a 0% chance of this.

No one speaks for anonymous.
No one represents anonymous.
Anyone can claim to be anonymous - Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, etc - and therefore cannot claim for the entire body to be at war with any particular religion, as it would be at war with itself.

Any news article presenting the claims of Anonymous is, therefore, a fallacy - fool fodder for those who simply lack comprehension as to what Anonymous is.

Except that anonymous acts as a team, as a group, when they attack. If it was one person doing one thing I'd buy what you were saying but they act in concert and someone has to lead the charge. You can't have it both ways. Nor do any that claim affiliation with anon then turn around with a different opinion.

Nope, anon is no more "leaderless and loose knit" than the occupy groups are.

 

[OddOne]

There is an even larger, global industry dedicated to manipulating you by all means necessary and shape your perception of reality to fit their purpose and they do so in the shadows. Please believe that they will use all means necessary in order to shape your vision of what it is you need or what you believe, etc.

Indeed. You must not only accept that Big Brother exists and is watching you, you must actually embrace Big Brother as your protector, and love him accordingly. That was the basic point Orwell was going for with the ending of "1984." The industry to which Mike refers is dedicated to making Big Brother the object of your affection.

 

[Aardaerimus]

Except that anonymous acts as a team, as a group, when they attack. If it was one person doing one thing I'd buy what you were saying but they act in concert and someone has to lead the charge. You can't have it both ways. Nor do any that claim affiliation with anon then turn around with a different opinion.

Nope, anon is no more "leaderless and loose knit" than the occupy groups are.

Anyone can lead the charge, but their efficacy is directly proportional to the level of sentiment that they can rouse in the masses.
Something that affects all of us will draw a much greater number of supporters (think of bad internet legislation, anti-privacy, etc), but something small and compartmentalized (such as an attack on a particular belief set) will muster much less support, and even likely hostility within the numbers that might otherwise be on the same "side".

As far as some grand conspiracy goes, I'm sure there are those who try to manipulate the masses in some way, but as far as using monetary support, etc., it's impossible, because there is NO "Anonymous" organization to donate to.

If they want to cultivate a mindset and initiate a "call to arms", then they're going to have to do it the same way as any other anon out there, though granted they can afford a bigger pulpit to preach from.