ECON American coins are being thrown away

Doc1

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Here's an interesting article about a waste management company that is finding US coins that are thrown away. Americans feel that their coins are "junk" as they've lost so much purchasing power. Ironically, in the precious metals fields, people call pre-'65 US silver coins "junk silver." That originally came to be because those coins, by and large, had no numismatic value.

This article also contains important cost of living information.

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Slydersan

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I found a 1915 Lincoln "wheat" penny in my change a few days ago, that I needed for my coin book. I always look and then keep my change.

I heard someone being interviewed on the radio way back in the 90's - no idea who it was, only that they were a refugee from some country I can't remember with horrific inflation. Apparently, their government devalued all of the "paper" currency, e.g. kept printing larger and larger bills.... BUT, left the change/coins alone. It was apparently too expensive to redesign and mint new coins, so a quarter was a quarter, was a quarter, but a $10 "dollar" bill lost more and more of it's value. That always stuck with me, so I tend to keep a few old coffee cans around with coins and every so often will take one to the bank (after going through it a 2nd time...cuz... why not?)
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Exactly. Just cashed in one of those big plastic coke bottle banks of change. Nearly $500.

Some archeaologist is going to be puzzled when they find all the change that must be in the landfills.
Some of the scifi novels I read as a kid basically said the landfills would become a resource mine once the recycling technologies got a lot better and new resources hard to dig up...
 

West

Senior
Clad is still a precious metal in the big picture of things. Even stinky zink, that has its usefulness in many products. But copper and nickel especially.

Try to buy a new copper washer that is 91.67% copper and 8.33% nickel and the size of a quarter. For a fiat quarter.

People today are spoiled.

Just musing.
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
I will stoop for a penny on the ground any day. Granted they don't buy much any more - no more penny candy you know - but over time I have accumulated a few dollars worth hither and yon.

When we were in Croatia and visited the old family homestead- the one that dated back to to 1700's and was last occupied when Michael J. Fox was still a poster child (literally, on the wall) we picked up bunches of aluminum coins in one of the bed rooms. I have noticed the same thing in Mexico with their aluminum coins. But no one throws away quantities of copper, nickel, or even steel coins. Dropping is one thing, tossing handfuls is another. Sooner or alter those 3,182 pennies you picked up with buy a gallon of gas. When you can find one.

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medic38572

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Here's an interesting article about a waste management company that is finding US coins that are thrown away. Americans feel that their coins are "junk" as they've lost so much purchasing power. Ironically, in the precious metals fields, people call pre-'65 US silver coins "junk silver." That originally came to be because those coins, by and large, had no numismatic value.

This article also contains important cost of living information.

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Americans Throw Away Millions of U.S. Coins Because American Money Is Junk!​


April 19, 2024



Mike Maharrey


Market Analyst​




Americans throw away millions of dollars in coins every year.
That's because American money is junk.
But that wasn’t always the case.
In an article published by the
Wall Street Journal
, Reworld, a Pennsylvania waste management facility, claimed that Americans toss about $68 million worth of coins every year.


“Coins are as good as junk for many Americans,” the WSJ proclaimed.


Why are so many people willing to pitch money in the garbage?


For one thing, coins are a pain to carry around. They're heavy and take up a lot of space. Meanwhile, the U.S. is moving quickly toward a cashless society. Most people primarily use electronic payments. As the Wall Street Journal pointed out, “Buses, laundromats, toll booths, and parking meters now take credit and debit cards and mobile payments.”


But more significantly, the U.S. government and the Federal Reserve have devalued the currency to the point that coins have virtually zero purchasing power. The WSJ article notes that the buying power of a quarter in 1980 was equal to about a dollar today. In other words, the quarter has lost about 75 percent of its value in the last 40-plus years.


Real Coins, Real Money


The extent of the quarter's depreciation since 1980 may shock a lot of people. It vividly illustrates just how much price inflation has eaten up your purchasing power. But it’s even worse than the WSJ example reveals.


If you want to understand the full extent of the government’s monetary malfeasance, we need to travel back in time to 1964. That was the last year the U.S. coins were minted from silver (90%).


In other words, coins minted before 1965 were real money – not government fiat currency.


President Lyndon B. Johnson changed that when he signed the Coinage Act of 1965. Under the law, the U.S. Treasury removed all of the silver from dimes, quarters, and half-dollars. Instead, the government mints coins from “composites, with faces of the same alloy used in our 5-cent piece that is bonded to a core of pure copper.”


You will sometimes hear coins minted before 1965 referred to as “junk silver.”


In reality, we should call modern American coins junk.


And that’s exactly how most Americans treat them. They’re tossing them in the trash!


Johnson promised removing silver would have no impact on the value of US coinage.


“[The] Treasury has a lot of silver on hand, and it can be, and it will be used to keep the price of silver in line with its value in our present silver coin,” he said.
Just a few years later, President Richard Nixon made a similar claim when he cut the final tie to the gold standard. He said, “Let me lay to rest the bugaboo of what is called devaluation,” and promised, “Your dollar will be worth just as much as it is today.”

Both men were lying.


When you disconnect money from anything of tangible value, it is going to quickly depreciate. It’s as certain as death and taxes.


Seth Lipsky revealed the extent of post-1965 coin debasement in a 2015

Wall Street Journal column
.


“When LBJ signed the 1965 act, the value of a dollar was almost exactly the same as it had been in 1792—0.77 ounces of silver. Despite some downs and ups, on average it had been remarkably steady for the long span…
“The value of the dollar started sinking after the 1965 coinage act, and by 1980 the dollar—so long valued at 0.77 ounces of silver—plunged to 0.02 ounces of silver. Today it is valued at 0.06 ounces of silver.”

President Johnson made another claim that turned out wildly wrong. He declared that silver coins would “very definitely” not disappear or “even become rarities.”


You’ll be shocked to learn that silver coins have disappeared. Try finding a quarter minted before 1965 out in the wild. It rarely occurs.


But if you do happen to find one, keep it. It’s worth a lot more than you probably think.


How Much Has the Government Devalued Our Coins?


Just how much have U.S. coins depreciated since Johnson’s inauspicious act?


  • The melt value of a pre-1965 silver quarter is currently $5.15.
  • The melt value of a pre-1965 dime is $2.06.
  • And if you’re lucky enough to find a pre-1965 silver half-dollar, its melt value comes in at $10.32.

Here’s a little perspective.


In 1964, the minimum wage stood at $1.25 per hour, the equivalent of five silver U.S. quarters. If you got paid five pre-1965 quarters today, you would hold $25.75 in your hands.


There’s your living wage.


We don’t have a wage problem. We have a money problem.


And the government caused it!


People are tossing worthless fiat coins in the trash. They would never do that with real money.
 

Doc1

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Here's a handy reference for the melt value of both old and new US coins. It's important to understand that some coins have numismatic value far above the value of their metal content. Also, other coins, though not especially rare, hold a premium based on their popularity. As an example, old US Silver Dollars - all things being equal - will always sell for more than four Silver Quarters.

The effects of inflation and the replacement of precious metal coins with base metal coins is insidious. This afternoon I was examining a US $20 Double Eagle Gold piece. When it was minted, that coin would buy as much as a twenty dollar bill would. The coin is currently worth around $2700. A twenty dollar bill from the same era would be worth be worth a little more than a modern twenty, due to some limited collector value, but nowhere near $2700!

Interestingly, if I tried to deposit the gold piece, the old twenty dollar bill and a modern twenty, the bank would only credit me with $60!

Additionally, an old Copper US cent is currently worth just under three cents. A modern Zinc penny is worth just under one cent. Even the humble little little penny hasn't been immune to the ravages of the government's and the central bank's monetary policies.

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Sportsman

Veteran Member
Banks here won't take any quantity of coins unless you roll them and sign it. That takes a while and you have to buy the roll paper. The coinstar machine (when I can find one) charges 20% last time I checked. Clerks don't want to mess with cash at all and get irritated when you give them change (but I do it anyway). Although some are satisfied if you give them a tip in quarters.

So I have many containers of coins and use them a few at time along with my inflated dollars. Probably never run out with this method. But I do miss the day when my bank had a coin counter/sorter for deposits.

Next time you go through a drive through lane at a crappy food place, look down and count the coins lazy people just dropped there. But I haven't seen are pre 65 silver coin in the wild in years.
 
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Tex88

Veteran Member
Young people do not carry wallets anymore, let alone paper bills or coins. Checkbook, what’s that? Most are using cash app, or something similar via their phones.
“Young adults today…” Hey they’re talking about me! Wait. Oh. Oh no. I’m 54! Paying with my watch, only things in the “wallet” clipped to the back of my phone are DL, LTC and bank card, just in case.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I found a 1915 Lincoln "wheat" penny in my change a few days ago, that I needed for my coin book. I always look and then keep my change.

I found a strange nickel in my change a few months back, the relief was different from the other nickel’s of the same age, and there was no mint mark.

I asked Doc1, he didn’t have any ideas and gave me some search ideas to find more info.

At first I thought it might be a casting nickel that some how made it into circulation, it does happen from time to time.

However, upon more research it turned out it’s counterfeit! It’s most probably one of that famous counterfeiters counterfeited nickels!!! The date on the nickel fits the time frame of his great escapade, and the relief on the nickel also fits.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
I separate my change too. A bank branch about 20 minutes away from me offers change counting for account holders with a change machine. The other day I was stacking up piles and two of the quarters stacked oddly. Someone had given me two Susan B Anthony dollars in place of quarters.
 

phloydius

Veteran Member
Hell, that's funny.

At this point with inflation I NEVER get rid of my coins any more. When I spend cash, and I get change in coins it comes home.

In melt value...
a penny is either 2.9 cents or 0.7 cents,
a nickel is 5.9 cents,
a dime is 2.3 cents, and
a quarter is 5.9 cents.
a dollar bill has no value expect to get more coins or stuff.

Sometimes I'll give up my dimes & quarters, but never my pennies or nickels.
Someday those pennies and nickels will be another junk precious metal like silver coins.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I found a strange nickel in my change a few months back, the relief was different from the other nickel’s of the same age, and there was no mint mark.

I asked Doc1, he didn’t have any ideas and gave me some search ideas to find more info.

At first I thought it might be a casting nickel that some how made it into circulation, it does happen from time to time.

However, upon more research it turned out it’s counterfeit! It’s most probably one of that famous counterfeiters counterfeited nickels!!! The date on the nickel fits the time frame of his great escapade, and the relief on the nickel also fits.
Probably worth more than 5 cents ... but probably not legal to own!

Summerthyme
 

BadMedicine

Would *I* Lie???
I found a strange nickel in my change a few months back, the relief was different from the other nickel’s of the same age, and there was no mint mark.

I asked Doc1, he didn’t have any ideas and gave me some search ideas to find more info.

At first I thought it might be a casting nickel that some how made it into circulation, it does happen from time to time.

However, upon more research it turned out it’s counterfeit! It’s most probably one of that famous counterfeiters counterfeited nickels!!! The date on the nickel fits the time frame of his great escapade, and the relief on the nickel also fits.
Do you have a thread here on this? I think you have piqued a few interests!
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Probably worth more than 5 cents ... but probably not legal to own!

Summerthyme
I looked it up, its value is high and since it was in circulation it’s legal to own, but not legal to sell. He counterfeited tens of thousand of nickels. This from an official govt website on the topic. For me it’s just a curiosity that’ll stay in my collection along with my double strike Eisenhower dime, and weird pennies.
 
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