The Hammer
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Just what we all want to do with our Friday night!
Featuring:
Biden
Sanders
Buttigieg
Yang
Warren
Steyer
Klobuchar
Featuring:
Biden
Sanders
Buttigieg
Yang
Warren
Steyer
Klobuchar
2/7: Another Dem Debate Night (New Hampshire)
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20Gauge
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What no Bloomburger?
thompson
Certa Bonum Certamen
Front-runners Buttigieg and Sanders beat back debate attacks
MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — Democratic presidential front-runners Bernie Sanders and Pete Buttigieg beat back a barrage of attacks during a debate as rivals raised persistent questions about their ideology and experience, hoping to sow doubts about their ability to defeat President Donald Trump.
apnews.com
Democrats prepare for ‘fiery’ NH debate as urgency rises
By STEVE PEOPLES
February 7, 2020 GMT
MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — The Democratic Party’s seven strongest presidential contenders are preparing for what could be the fiercest debate stage clash of the 2020 primary season as candidates look to survive the gauntlet of contests that lie ahead.
The field has been shaken and reshaped by chaotic Iowa caucuses earlier this week, and Friday’s debate in New Hampshire — coming four days before the state’s primary — offers new opportunity and risk for the shrinking pool of White House hopefuls. At least one leading campaign was predicting a “forceful, fiery” performance.
Two candidates, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Midwestern mayor Pete Buttigieg, enter the night as the top targets, having emerged from Iowa essentially tied for the lead. Those trailing after the first contest — including former Vice President Joe Biden, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar — have an urgent need to demonstrate strength.
Billionaire activist Tom Steyer and New York entrepreneur Andrew Yang, meanwhile, are fighting to prove they belong in the conversation.
The rapidly evolving dynamic means that the candidates have a very real incentive to mix it up with their Democratic rivals in the 8 p.m. debate hosted by ABC. They may not get another chance.
“This is the time when voters are eager for candidates to show they can compare and contrast, but also show they’re in it to win it,” said Democratic strategist Lily Adams, who worked on California Sen. Kamala Harris’ unsuccessful 2020 presidential campaign. “Expect it to get more feisty.”
Sanders previewed one line of attack at a breakfast event in New Hampshire’s largest city by slamming Buttigieg for accepting campaign cash from wealthy donors, which Sanders and Warren have refused to do.
“I like Pete Buttigieg. Nice guy,” Sanders said before reading a series of headlines about wealthy donors backing Buttigieg. “But we are in a moment where billionaires control, not only our economy but our political life.”
Channeling an old folk ballad by Woody Guthrie, Sanders added: “This campaign is about, Which side are you on?’”
Traditionally, the knives come out during this phase in the presidential primary process.
It was the pre-New Hampshire debate four years ago on the Republican side when then-New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie devastated Florida Sen. Marco Rubio’s presidential ambitions with a well-timed take-down. Rubio never recovered, making it easier for Donald Trump to emerge as his party’s presidential nominee.
The stakes are particularly high this week for Biden, who has played front-runner in virtually every one of the previous seven debates but left Iowa in distant fourth place. While reporting irregularities have blunted the impact of the Iowa contest, Biden’s weakness rattled supporters who encouraged him to take an aggressive tack Friday night.
One of Biden’s more prominent New Hampshire backers, Democratic operative Jim Demers, said this is the time to fight.
“People want to see the fire, they want to see fight and they want to see the differences,” he said.
Lest there be any doubt about his intentions, Biden adopted a decidedly more aggressive tone with his rivals in the days leading up to Friday’s debate, having largely avoided direct attacks against other Democrats for much of the last year. But Wednesday in New Hampshire, the former vice president went after Sanders and Buttigieg by name and questioned their ability to beat Trump.
On Sanders, Biden seized on the Vermont senator’s status as a self-described democratic socialist. And on Buttigieg, he knocked the 38-year-old former mayor’s inexperience.
Biden also conceded the obvious — that his Iowa finish was underwhelming at best. He called it a “gut punch” before embracing the underdog role: “This isn’t the first time in my life I’ve been knocked down.”
Deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield highlighted Biden’s post-Iowa strategy of going more directly after his opponents, and she said it would continue on the debate stage.
“All of the candidates have progressive plans. Only one has a lifelong record of making them reality,” Bedingfield said. “You can expect in the debate tonight that Vice President Biden will make a forceful, fiery case for his candidacy and will raise some tough questions for voters to consider about who they want taking on Donald Trump.”
The seven-person field also highlights the evolution of the Democrats’ 2020 nomination fight, which began with more than two dozen candidates and has been effectively whittled down to a handful of top-tier contenders.
There are clear dividing lines based on ideology, age and gender. But just one of the candidates on stage, Yang, is an ethnic minority.
Two African Americans and the only Latino candidate were forced from the race even before voting began. The only black contender still in the running, former Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, did not meet the polling or fundraising thresholds to qualify for Friday’s event.
Beyond Biden’s struggles, there are several subplots to watch.
The debate is the first since a progressive feud erupted on national television between Sanders and Warren. The Massachusetts senator refused to shake her New England neighbor’s hand and accused him of calling her a liar moments after the Jan. 14 meeting in Iowa.
The pointed exchange threatened to cause a permanent fissure in the Democratic Party’s far-left flank. Warren has embraced her gender as a political strength in the weeks since, highlighting the successes of female candidates in the Trump era and her own record of defeating a male Republican to earn a seat in the Senate.
That said, she stressed unity at campaign stops in recent days: “We’ve got to pull together as a party. We cannot repeat 2016,” she said.
She even points to her sprawling campaign organization to prove her dedication to party unity, noting that aides from rival candidates no longer in the race have chosen to work for her.
“I have an open campaign,” Warren said during a rally Wednesday at a community college in Nashua. “An inclusive campaign, a campaign that invites people in.”
Yet Warren has been willing to attack before. Aside from the post-debate skirmish with Sanders, she seized on Buttigieg’s fundraising practices in past meetings.
While Warren and Sanders as presidential candidates have sworn off wealthy donors, Buttigieg and the rest of the field have continued to hold private finance events with big donors, some with connections to Wall Street. In fact, Buttigieg took the unusual step of leaving New Hampshire this week to hold three fundraisers with wealthy donors in the New York area.
Buttigieg should expect to be under attack Friday night, said Joel Benenson, a debate adviser to Buttigieg last year and a prominent Democratic pollster.
“He’s got to be prepared for incoming from the people behind him, who are going to be punching up and trying to take votes away,” Benenson said.
“He’s got to be prepared to counterpunch, as well, and push back strenuously, but drive his message even when he’s responding,” he added. “If they draw sharp contrasts, he has to, as well.”
thompson
Certa Bonum Certamen
Snips only (mostly rehash)
abcnews.go.com
ABC News is hosting the eighth Democratic primary debate of the campaign cycle in partnership with Apple News and Hearst Television's WMUR-TV, ABC's affiliate station in New Hampshire. The debate, sanctioned by the Democratic National Committee, will take place at Saint Anselm College's Sullivan Arena in Manchester, New Hampshire.
The debate, airing from 8 p.m. to 11 p.m. ET on the ABC Television Network
[...]
Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos, "World News Tonight" Anchor and Managing Editor David Muir and ABC News Live Anchor Linsey Davis will moderate the debate. Joining them will be WMUR-TV Political Director Adam Sexton and WMUR-TV News Anchor Monica Hernandez.
Candidates will have one minute and 15 seconds to answer direct questions and 45 seconds for rebuttals, at the discretion of the moderators. Candidates will not make opening or closing statements, but there will be a closing question.
The podium order was determined by averaging the candidates' qualifying polls as certified by the DNC. Polls had to be publicly released between Dec. 13 and 11:59 p.m. Thursday.
7 candidates qualify for New Hampshire Democratic primary debate, podium order and format announced
ABC News announced the candidate lineup, podium order and format for Friday's debate at Saint Anselm College in Manchester, New Hampshire.
abcnews.go.com
ABC News is hosting the eighth Democratic primary debate of the campaign cycle in partnership with Apple News and Hearst Television's WMUR-TV, ABC's affiliate station in New Hampshire. The debate, sanctioned by the Democratic National Committee, will take place at Saint Anselm College's Sullivan Arena in Manchester, New Hampshire.
The debate, airing from 8 p.m. to 11 p.m. ET on the ABC Television Network
[...]
Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos, "World News Tonight" Anchor and Managing Editor David Muir and ABC News Live Anchor Linsey Davis will moderate the debate. Joining them will be WMUR-TV Political Director Adam Sexton and WMUR-TV News Anchor Monica Hernandez.
Candidates will have one minute and 15 seconds to answer direct questions and 45 seconds for rebuttals, at the discretion of the moderators. Candidates will not make opening or closing statements, but there will be a closing question.
The podium order was determined by averaging the candidates' qualifying polls as certified by the DNC. Polls had to be publicly released between Dec. 13 and 11:59 p.m. Thursday.
MountainBiker
Veteran Member
Probably didn't have a box ready for him to stand on. With all his billions you'd think he'd provide his own box.
Grouchy Granny
Deceased
Probably couldn't find one tall enough to put him head and shoulders above the peon's.
StarryEyedLad
désespéré pour le ciel
What the candidates are feeling going into tonight's debate...
Biden - Feelin' 'em all up, a free grope with every vote
Sanders - Feel the Bern...that's all he's got
Buttigieg - Feel me up, bro, I like it
Yang - Feelin' you up, looking fo' yo' wallet
Warren - Feels like breaking out into Cher's "Half Breed"...er, 1/1024's breed
Steyer - Feels like everyone should know who he is by now
Klobuchar - Feel me up like all my alleged old boyfriends did before funding my campaigns
Biden - Feelin' 'em all up, a free grope with every vote
Sanders - Feel the Bern...that's all he's got
Buttigieg - Feel me up, bro, I like it
Yang - Feelin' you up, looking fo' yo' wallet
Warren - Feels like breaking out into Cher's "Half Breed"...er, 1/1024's breed
Steyer - Feels like everyone should know who he is by now
Klobuchar - Feel me up like all my alleged old boyfriends did before funding my campaigns
The Hammer
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Bump for those brave enough to watch.
Haven't tuned in yet, but may watch a little.
Haven't tuned in yet, but may watch a little.
thompson
Certa Bonum Certamen
I'm not going to watch, but if I find any tweets I'll post 'em... like this one...
View: https://twitter.com/TrumpStudents/status/1225950014716993537
View: https://twitter.com/TrumpStudents/status/1225950014716993537
thompson
Certa Bonum Certamen
Plain Jane
Just Plain Jane
You know, with the foul stench of Iowa still hanging around, I bet very few are watching this this. Watching Democrats implode is pretty amusing for us but I bet that the party faithful are gritting their teeth for fear of the next catastrophe!
StarryEyedLad
désespéré pour le ciel
Biden is stumbling over his words quite a bit. Bernie did a little, too.
All of them are raising their hands to be heard like it's fifth grade.
All of them are raising their hands to be heard like it's fifth grade.
Hawkgirl_70
Veteran Member
As with every debate, Repub and Dem, I’ve watched them all since the 2000 elections.
I watch so you don’t have to
No, I watch the Dems because I want to see and hear about all the lies they’re spewing.
I watch so you don’t have to
No, I watch the Dems because I want to see and hear about all the lies they’re spewing.
The Traveler
Veteran Member
I hear ya Hawkgirl, we are watching for the team of TB2000. Stein just said he wanted reparations. WHY DO THE DEMS always push the race card? Oh because they are the KKK.
bw
Fringe Ranger
He's a liberal. Someone else supplies the box.
bw
Fringe Ranger
We await your report.
Groucho
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Whaaaa.....(hic)...... we weren'.......weren'.........(baurrrrrp) there washant a drin.....drin.......no booze? No game?? (hic)
I fe.....fel....... I went off the wagon for this? Ohhhhhhhhh...........
The Traveler
Veteran Member
My DW just asked if ole Liz had ever been in a black community.
thompson
Certa Bonum Certamen
Breitbart live updates... Read from bottom to top for chronological order...
www.breitbart.com
9:39 PM: Warren not satisfied with Buttigieg’s answer and says it was the policy of the United States of America to discriminate against people of color for buying homes until 1965. She calls for race-conscious laws to make the country a country for opportunity.
Yang says you can’t regulate away racism with a patchwork of laws that are race-specific. Yang quotes MLK, who also supported a guaranteed income, to back up his arguments for his Freedom Dividend.
9:38 PM: Buttigieg dodging questions about an increase in marijuana possession for blacks in South Bend while he was mayor. Davis, who won’t let Buttigieg wiggle his way out with his typical nothing-speak, also noted that for all of railing about “systemic racism,” Buttigieg was the “head of the system.”
9:37 PM: Steyer, improving as a candidate and debater, rips the debate for not mentioning race once so far. He says Democrats should be talking more about issues impacting black voters, Latinos, AAPI, Native Americans.
9:36 PM: Sanders says he would have a litmus test, make Roe the law of the land, and increase funding for Planned Parenthood.
9:30 PM: Buttigieg doesn’t want the Supreme Court to be a battlefield. He wants reforms in the makeup of the court and Constitutional amendments to overturn Citizens United.
9:29 PM: Warren wants Roe v. Wade to be national law and says talks about how rich people would still get abortions if abortion were outlawed.
9:25 PM: Debate turns to Supreme Court and litmus tests. Biden asked about litmus tests and abortion. He says he was not quoted fully, insists his test was about “unenumerated rights” in the Constitution.
9:22 PM: Sanders, asked about his shift on gun issues, says he lost a House seat because he wanted an assault weapons ban. He says he comes from a rural state and the world has changed, and that’s why his views have changed.
Biden whacks Sanders for not wanting gun manufacturers to be liable, saying thousands and thousands of people died while Sanders held his views.
Warren says we need to treat gun violence like the “public safety emergency that it is” like the country did with automobile-related deaths.
9:16 PM: Yang says you have to look at the companies that have profited off of “blood money.” He says he will take back the profits and put them back to work in places like New Hampshire for treatment. He says this is a human problem but money cannot be an obstacle. He says the opioid epidemic happened on the government watch and people seeking treatment should know that they will not go to jail.
9:15 PM: Buttigieg, when asked about decriminalization, says incarceration should not a response to drug possession. He rips companies for making the opioid crisis worse with legal drugs.
9:06 PM: Sanders, contrasting himself with Biden, said he too listened to all of the Bush administration’s arguments on Iraq and concluded they were “lying through their teeth.”
9:03 PM: Steyer asked about his qualifications to be Commander-in-Chief. He says we are hearing a very long dissertation on the debate stage about how America should be the world’s policeman. He ways when we are talking about America’s role in the world, Trump has abandoned diplomacy and America’s allies. He brings debate back to climate change, which he says cannot be solved with guns, tanks, and planes. He says we are listening to a discussion on the 20 years of failed foreign/military policies.
9:01 PM: On Iraq, Biden says he made a mistake when he trusted George W. Bush on Iraq.
8:50 PM: On Soleimani, Buttigieg says there is no evidence that killing Soleimani made American safer. He also says Iraq taught us that killing a bad guy does nothing if you have no idea what you are doing next. Buttigieg, when pressed if he would order such a strike, says this is not an episode of 24 and implies Trump doesn’t even read the intelligence that is needed to figure out if such a strike is justified.
Biden says he wouldn’t have ordered the strike because there is “no evidence” there was an imminent threat. He rips Trump’s “America alone” foreign policy. He rips Trump’s “headaches” remark and says Trump doesn’t deserve to be president for another day. Sanders warns about unleashing anarchy if the United States assassinates every bad person.
8:46 PM: Sanders brushes off Hillary’s comments. He says Democrats should not look back to 2016 and he hope Clinton and other Democrats could come together. Sanders says he passed more amendments on the floor of the House in a bipartisan way than any other member in House to argue that he can bring Republicans and Democrats together to pass legislation.
8:43 PM: Biden says Vindman should have gotten a Medal of Freedom instead of Rush and asks the audience to give Vindman a standing ovation.
View: https://twitter.com/DavidNakamura/status/1225960034183589893
Buttigieg says he is not going to let Trump change the subject by talking about Hunter Biden. He says it is “dishonorable” for Trump to try to pit Hunter against Joe.
View: https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1225959877333438464
8:37 PM: On impeachment, Warren says nobody should be above the law. Yang warns about establishing a pattern of throwing presidents in jail. Sanders warns about the precedent Trump set. Sanders says future presidents will withhold highway funds from governors if they don’t support re-election efforts. Sanders says Republicans in the Senate knew Trump is a “crook” and a cheat” and they, except for Romney, didn’t have the guts to vote against him. Steyer mentions he started the “Need to Impeach” movement and rips the “sham trial.”
8:35 PM: Yang says Democrats must stop thinking that Trump is the cause and not the symptom. He also reveals that Democrats may have given up on Ohio, saying it is so red that he is hearing Democrats won’t even campaign there in the fall.
8:33 PM: Buttigieg rips Trump for skipping military service and his “disgraceful” performance that the prayer debate.
8:31 PM: Steyer references Stephanopoulos’s role in the 1992 campaign (It’s the economy stupid) and Steyer says he is the best candidate to take down Trump on the economy because of his success in the private sector. He says he is worried about Mayor Pete because he won’t be able to go toe to toe with Trump on the debate stage to take down Trump on the economy.
8:29 PM: Klobuchar, for some reason, seems to have the best attacks against Buttigieg:
View: https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225956188623396865
View: https://twitter.com/TheBradMielke/status/1225954806403141633
View: https://twitter.com/AndrewHClark/status/1225954068331454464
View: https://twitter.com/BillHagertyTN/status/1225954518241882114
8:24 PM: Buttigieg claims he has been consistent throughout on health care and says voters have plenty of choices if they want a candidate with the most experience in D.C. Biden says the past wasn’t that bad and lists policies that he supported. Buttigieg says those achievements were great because they met the moment but we can’t solve today’s problems with policies from the past.
Left roasting Biden:
View: https://twitter.com/AdrianaMaestas/status/1225954184136052736
8:19 PM: Biden hits Sanders on “Medicare for all”–saying Bernie may have “wrote the damn thing” but won’t say much the damn thing will cost. He says he busted his neck getting Obamacare passed and implies Sanders will never get his bill passed. Biden says Sanders’ plan will raise taxes and says his own plan will give people “Medicare if they want it.”
8:15 PM: Buttigieg says Trump is a “fundamentally new challenge” and the biggest risk will be falling back on the familiar. He says Sanders is divisive and has a “my way or the highway” mentality that rejects anyone who doesn’t go “all the way to the edge” with him on left-wing policies.
Sanders says you bring people together with an agenda that favors the working class and not the billionaires who back Buttigieg. He says the way you bring people together is by also guaranteeing health care as a “human right.”
8:13 PM: Warren says Democrats can all agree on ending corruption and being on the side of hard-working people.
8:11 PM: Yang says it’s great to be back on the debate stage. He says the capitalism/socialism dichotomy is out of date because of the advance of technology. He talks about his “human-centered version of capitalism.”
8:10 PM: Steyer warns that there is a “real threat” Trump can be re-elected after this week and he agrees with Sanders that Democrats must increase turn out, especially blacks and Latinos, and “across the spectrum of Democratic voters.” Steyer says Democrats cannot choose a candidate who can’t turn out Latinos and black voters.
View: https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225951727142264832
8:07 PM: Sanders asked to respond to Trump’s criticisms about “socialism.” Sanders says Democrats shouldn’t be worried because “Donald Trump lies all the time.” Sanders says they are all going to stand together to defeat Trump “no matter who wins this damn thing.” He says Democrats will beat Trump by energizing voters, especially turning out working-class and young people who have tuned out the political process. He says he won the popular vote by 6,000 votes in Iowa and increased the turn out among young voters.
Stephanopoulos asks a follow-up about low turnout in Iowa and Sanders doesn’t have a good response. Klobuchar raises her hand when asked if she is concerned about having a “socialist” on the top of the ticket. She implies that Sanders will be too divisive.
View: https://twitter.com/JuliaManch/status/1225949833158107136
8:05 PM: Biden gets the first question about why Buttigieg and Sanders won in Iowa after Biden said they were too risky. He says Democrats may not be able to take back the Senate because Trump will label everyone on the ticket a “Democratic Socialist.”
Biden, lowering expectations, says he expects to take a “hit” in New Hampshire on Tuesday as well.
View: https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225950798879887360
8:02 PM: Moderators introduce the candidates as the debate is about to get started.
One of Team Bernie’s arguments against Buttigieg:
View: https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1225947220278681601
7:42 PM: Podium order for the top of the hour:
View: https://twitter.com/lynnsweet/status/1225765437184598016
7:38 PM: Sanders campaign adviser Jeff Weaver tells CNN that Sanders will not be beholden to billionaires because they think they can raise $1 billion in the general election from small-dollar donations.
7:35 PM: “Sharper elbows” probably expected from everyone tonight.
View: https://twitter.com/awzurcher/status/1225931786699579394
***Live Updates*** Democrats Debate in New Hampshire
Presidential candidates Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Amy Klobuchar, Andrew Yang, and Tom Steyer will debate in New Hampshire on Friday evening. The Democratic debate, co-hosted by ABC News, Apple News and WMUR-TV, will be held at Saint Anselm College. Hernandez...
www.breitbart.com
9:39 PM: Warren not satisfied with Buttigieg’s answer and says it was the policy of the United States of America to discriminate against people of color for buying homes until 1965. She calls for race-conscious laws to make the country a country for opportunity.
Yang says you can’t regulate away racism with a patchwork of laws that are race-specific. Yang quotes MLK, who also supported a guaranteed income, to back up his arguments for his Freedom Dividend.
9:38 PM: Buttigieg dodging questions about an increase in marijuana possession for blacks in South Bend while he was mayor. Davis, who won’t let Buttigieg wiggle his way out with his typical nothing-speak, also noted that for all of railing about “systemic racism,” Buttigieg was the “head of the system.”
9:37 PM: Steyer, improving as a candidate and debater, rips the debate for not mentioning race once so far. He says Democrats should be talking more about issues impacting black voters, Latinos, AAPI, Native Americans.
9:36 PM: Sanders says he would have a litmus test, make Roe the law of the land, and increase funding for Planned Parenthood.
9:30 PM: Buttigieg doesn’t want the Supreme Court to be a battlefield. He wants reforms in the makeup of the court and Constitutional amendments to overturn Citizens United.
9:29 PM: Warren wants Roe v. Wade to be national law and says talks about how rich people would still get abortions if abortion were outlawed.
9:25 PM: Debate turns to Supreme Court and litmus tests. Biden asked about litmus tests and abortion. He says he was not quoted fully, insists his test was about “unenumerated rights” in the Constitution.
9:22 PM: Sanders, asked about his shift on gun issues, says he lost a House seat because he wanted an assault weapons ban. He says he comes from a rural state and the world has changed, and that’s why his views have changed.
Biden whacks Sanders for not wanting gun manufacturers to be liable, saying thousands and thousands of people died while Sanders held his views.
Warren says we need to treat gun violence like the “public safety emergency that it is” like the country did with automobile-related deaths.
9:16 PM: Yang says you have to look at the companies that have profited off of “blood money.” He says he will take back the profits and put them back to work in places like New Hampshire for treatment. He says this is a human problem but money cannot be an obstacle. He says the opioid epidemic happened on the government watch and people seeking treatment should know that they will not go to jail.
9:15 PM: Buttigieg, when asked about decriminalization, says incarceration should not a response to drug possession. He rips companies for making the opioid crisis worse with legal drugs.
9:06 PM: Sanders, contrasting himself with Biden, said he too listened to all of the Bush administration’s arguments on Iraq and concluded they were “lying through their teeth.”
9:03 PM: Steyer asked about his qualifications to be Commander-in-Chief. He says we are hearing a very long dissertation on the debate stage about how America should be the world’s policeman. He ways when we are talking about America’s role in the world, Trump has abandoned diplomacy and America’s allies. He brings debate back to climate change, which he says cannot be solved with guns, tanks, and planes. He says we are listening to a discussion on the 20 years of failed foreign/military policies.
9:01 PM: On Iraq, Biden says he made a mistake when he trusted George W. Bush on Iraq.
8:50 PM: On Soleimani, Buttigieg says there is no evidence that killing Soleimani made American safer. He also says Iraq taught us that killing a bad guy does nothing if you have no idea what you are doing next. Buttigieg, when pressed if he would order such a strike, says this is not an episode of 24 and implies Trump doesn’t even read the intelligence that is needed to figure out if such a strike is justified.
Biden says he wouldn’t have ordered the strike because there is “no evidence” there was an imminent threat. He rips Trump’s “America alone” foreign policy. He rips Trump’s “headaches” remark and says Trump doesn’t deserve to be president for another day. Sanders warns about unleashing anarchy if the United States assassinates every bad person.
8:46 PM: Sanders brushes off Hillary’s comments. He says Democrats should not look back to 2016 and he hope Clinton and other Democrats could come together. Sanders says he passed more amendments on the floor of the House in a bipartisan way than any other member in House to argue that he can bring Republicans and Democrats together to pass legislation.
8:43 PM: Biden says Vindman should have gotten a Medal of Freedom instead of Rush and asks the audience to give Vindman a standing ovation.
View: https://twitter.com/DavidNakamura/status/1225960034183589893
Buttigieg says he is not going to let Trump change the subject by talking about Hunter Biden. He says it is “dishonorable” for Trump to try to pit Hunter against Joe.
View: https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1225959877333438464
8:37 PM: On impeachment, Warren says nobody should be above the law. Yang warns about establishing a pattern of throwing presidents in jail. Sanders warns about the precedent Trump set. Sanders says future presidents will withhold highway funds from governors if they don’t support re-election efforts. Sanders says Republicans in the Senate knew Trump is a “crook” and a cheat” and they, except for Romney, didn’t have the guts to vote against him. Steyer mentions he started the “Need to Impeach” movement and rips the “sham trial.”
8:35 PM: Yang says Democrats must stop thinking that Trump is the cause and not the symptom. He also reveals that Democrats may have given up on Ohio, saying it is so red that he is hearing Democrats won’t even campaign there in the fall.
8:33 PM: Buttigieg rips Trump for skipping military service and his “disgraceful” performance that the prayer debate.
8:31 PM: Steyer references Stephanopoulos’s role in the 1992 campaign (It’s the economy stupid) and Steyer says he is the best candidate to take down Trump on the economy because of his success in the private sector. He says he is worried about Mayor Pete because he won’t be able to go toe to toe with Trump on the debate stage to take down Trump on the economy.
8:29 PM: Klobuchar, for some reason, seems to have the best attacks against Buttigieg:
View: https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225956188623396865
View: https://twitter.com/TheBradMielke/status/1225954806403141633
View: https://twitter.com/AndrewHClark/status/1225954068331454464
View: https://twitter.com/BillHagertyTN/status/1225954518241882114
8:24 PM: Buttigieg claims he has been consistent throughout on health care and says voters have plenty of choices if they want a candidate with the most experience in D.C. Biden says the past wasn’t that bad and lists policies that he supported. Buttigieg says those achievements were great because they met the moment but we can’t solve today’s problems with policies from the past.
Left roasting Biden:
View: https://twitter.com/AdrianaMaestas/status/1225954184136052736
8:19 PM: Biden hits Sanders on “Medicare for all”–saying Bernie may have “wrote the damn thing” but won’t say much the damn thing will cost. He says he busted his neck getting Obamacare passed and implies Sanders will never get his bill passed. Biden says Sanders’ plan will raise taxes and says his own plan will give people “Medicare if they want it.”
8:15 PM: Buttigieg says Trump is a “fundamentally new challenge” and the biggest risk will be falling back on the familiar. He says Sanders is divisive and has a “my way or the highway” mentality that rejects anyone who doesn’t go “all the way to the edge” with him on left-wing policies.
Sanders says you bring people together with an agenda that favors the working class and not the billionaires who back Buttigieg. He says the way you bring people together is by also guaranteeing health care as a “human right.”
8:13 PM: Warren says Democrats can all agree on ending corruption and being on the side of hard-working people.
8:11 PM: Yang says it’s great to be back on the debate stage. He says the capitalism/socialism dichotomy is out of date because of the advance of technology. He talks about his “human-centered version of capitalism.”
8:10 PM: Steyer warns that there is a “real threat” Trump can be re-elected after this week and he agrees with Sanders that Democrats must increase turn out, especially blacks and Latinos, and “across the spectrum of Democratic voters.” Steyer says Democrats cannot choose a candidate who can’t turn out Latinos and black voters.
View: https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225951727142264832
8:07 PM: Sanders asked to respond to Trump’s criticisms about “socialism.” Sanders says Democrats shouldn’t be worried because “Donald Trump lies all the time.” Sanders says they are all going to stand together to defeat Trump “no matter who wins this damn thing.” He says Democrats will beat Trump by energizing voters, especially turning out working-class and young people who have tuned out the political process. He says he won the popular vote by 6,000 votes in Iowa and increased the turn out among young voters.
Stephanopoulos asks a follow-up about low turnout in Iowa and Sanders doesn’t have a good response. Klobuchar raises her hand when asked if she is concerned about having a “socialist” on the top of the ticket. She implies that Sanders will be too divisive.
View: https://twitter.com/JuliaManch/status/1225949833158107136
8:05 PM: Biden gets the first question about why Buttigieg and Sanders won in Iowa after Biden said they were too risky. He says Democrats may not be able to take back the Senate because Trump will label everyone on the ticket a “Democratic Socialist.”
Biden, lowering expectations, says he expects to take a “hit” in New Hampshire on Tuesday as well.
View: https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1225950798879887360
8:02 PM: Moderators introduce the candidates as the debate is about to get started.
One of Team Bernie’s arguments against Buttigieg:
View: https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1225947220278681601
7:42 PM: Podium order for the top of the hour:
View: https://twitter.com/lynnsweet/status/1225765437184598016
7:38 PM: Sanders campaign adviser Jeff Weaver tells CNN that Sanders will not be beholden to billionaires because they think they can raise $1 billion in the general election from small-dollar donations.
7:35 PM: “Sharper elbows” probably expected from everyone tonight.
View: https://twitter.com/awzurcher/status/1225931786699579394
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9:50 PM: Biden says voters in South Carolina took issue with Turner’s “letter,” referring to her op-ed.
9:49 PM: Klobuchar talking about voting rights and how Republicans are “surgically” preventing black voters from voting in places like North Carolina.
9:47 PM: Sanders asked if Biden has betrayed black voters like Nina Turner, his national co-chair, wrote in an op-ed. Sanders says he think she was referring to some of his earlier remarks and does not think Biden has betrayed black people.
9:45 PM: Sanders says America is a racist society “top to bottom.” Steyer wants Biden to disavow comments from one of his top advisers in South Carolina.
View: https://twitter.com/Harpootlian4SC/status/1225056826334511105
9:49 PM: Klobuchar talking about voting rights and how Republicans are “surgically” preventing black voters from voting in places like North Carolina.
9:47 PM: Sanders asked if Biden has betrayed black voters like Nina Turner, his national co-chair, wrote in an op-ed. Sanders says he think she was referring to some of his earlier remarks and does not think Biden has betrayed black people.
9:45 PM: Sanders says America is a racist society “top to bottom.” Steyer wants Biden to disavow comments from one of his top advisers in South Carolina.
View: https://twitter.com/Harpootlian4SC/status/1225056826334511105
Normallguy
"just a human bein'"
Warren want to end unlimited spending.
Yeah...right
I miss kamale
Yeah...right
I miss kamale
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9:53 PM: Yang says the median household net worth of African-Americans is expected to be zero in a few decades. He says people of color suffer the most because of automation or if there are natural disasters. Yang says you can’t prevent the tsunami from knocking out the wealth of African-Americans and other workers of all backgrounds if you don’t put “straight cash” in their hands with his Freedom Dividend.
9:51 PM: Steyer says “out of narrative comes policy.” He says there should be a commission on race that deals with race explicitly. He want the commission to retell the story of America the last 400 years of systematic racism against African-Americans and the contributions African-Americans have made and how African-Americans have led. He wants to talk about Jim Crow, MLK, Barbara Lee and then figure out how to repair the damage.
9:51 PM: Steyer says “out of narrative comes policy.” He says there should be a commission on race that deals with race explicitly. He want the commission to retell the story of America the last 400 years of systematic racism against African-Americans and the contributions African-Americans have made and how African-Americans have led. He wants to talk about Jim Crow, MLK, Barbara Lee and then figure out how to repair the damage.
The Hammer
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I just can't bring myself to watch any of this one. Not after this week. And I'm sure many people out there feel the same.
Plus, it's Friday night. People want to unwind from a long work week with a movie or a sporting event. Not having to see elderly white men and an Alfred E. Newman lookalike argue with each other about who's more communist and hates America the most.
But I do appreciate the updates.
Plus, it's Friday night. People want to unwind from a long work week with a movie or a sporting event. Not having to see elderly white men and an Alfred E. Newman lookalike argue with each other about who's more communist and hates America the most.
But I do appreciate the updates.
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I'm not watching.
I'm talking with family and keeping up with the live update on Breitbart.
Dobbin
Faithful Steed
I just can't bring myself to watch any of this one. Not after this week. And I'm sure many people out there feel the same.
Plus, it's Friday night. People want to unwind from a long work week with a movie or a sporting event. Not having to see elderly white men and an Alfred E. Newman lookalike argue with each other about who's more communist and hates America the most.
But I do appreciate the updates.
I've kind of been avoiding this thread - it might cause me curious to actually watch the debates?
WRONG - It convinced me avoiding the Debate was a wise move.
I wish them well - in the unemployment line after the election.
Dobbin
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10:05 PM: Sanders disagrees with New Hampshire’s Senators on USMCA because it did not include anything on climate change. Klobuchar asked why she voted for it. She wants to defend the NH Senators because there were some major improvements on labor issues. Steyer agrees with Sanders.
The Traveler
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I was glad to see that they approved of our President's accomplishments
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10:15: Final question deals with child poverty as the debate experiences technical difficulties.
Yang: Answer for child poverty is to put money directly in the hands of Americans, especially single parents. He says we have fallen into the trap of letting the market tells us how much we are worth…coaches, caregivers, stay-at-home moms are worth zero. He says the mission of his campaign is to disentangle economic value and human value and say they are not the same thing.
Buttigieg: He says America has been counting the wrong things (Dow Jones). He wants to measure economic progress by the growth of the 90 percent.
Warren says she learned early on about the worth of every human being and the best investment a nation can make “is to invest in our children.” She says it’s time to come up with real plans to make that happen like her two-cent wealth tax.
Yang: Answer for child poverty is to put money directly in the hands of Americans, especially single parents. He says we have fallen into the trap of letting the market tells us how much we are worth…coaches, caregivers, stay-at-home moms are worth zero. He says the mission of his campaign is to disentangle economic value and human value and say they are not the same thing.
Buttigieg: He says America has been counting the wrong things (Dow Jones). He wants to measure economic progress by the growth of the 90 percent.
Warren says she learned early on about the worth of every human being and the best investment a nation can make “is to invest in our children.” She says it’s time to come up with real plans to make that happen like her two-cent wealth tax.
The Hammer
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See, this is what infuriates me. These pieces of scum are all for infanticide but they'll put on a sad face and play the violins while they lecture us about child poverty.
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Biden: “These aren’t someone else’s children.” He says they are “all our children” and wonders if the country wants to walk away from Latinos students by not funding childhood programs.
Sanders: He says the reason America has the highest levels of childhood poverty is the same reason the country doesn’t have universal health care and gives massive trillion-dollar breaks to rich corporations and the fossil-fuel industry. He says it’s because the country’s priorities are determined by those who want the rich to get richer. He says what’s different about his campaign is his campaign is raising money from working-class people and not billionaires.
Klobuchar talks about her plan to reduce and eventually eradicate childhood poverty. She says to get that done, Democrats have to reach voters they have lost in previous elections. She rips Trump for his lack of “empathy.” Bizarre argument given how terribly she has reportedly treated her staffers.
Sanders: He says the reason America has the highest levels of childhood poverty is the same reason the country doesn’t have universal health care and gives massive trillion-dollar breaks to rich corporations and the fossil-fuel industry. He says it’s because the country’s priorities are determined by those who want the rich to get richer. He says what’s different about his campaign is his campaign is raising money from working-class people and not billionaires.
Klobuchar talks about her plan to reduce and eventually eradicate childhood poverty. She says to get that done, Democrats have to reach voters they have lost in previous elections. She rips Trump for his lack of “empathy.” Bizarre argument given how terribly she has reportedly treated her staffers.