JDSeese
Veteran Member
John it doesn't matter what we think... we're already dead no matter what.
EBOLA 10/8 BRKG NEWS IT'S THE BIG ONE: New York City man Hospitalized with Ebola Symptoms!
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John it doesn't matter what we think... we're already dead no matter what.
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Brilliant idea! Which almost certainly dooms it, unfortunately.
JohnGaltfla
#NeverTrump
I take offense to that. I might smell bad right now, but I'm not dead. Maybe I just need a shower to wash the Obola off me.
Sadly, the government is trying to kill us faster than the Islamofacists so they are sort of hard to tell apart who is who now...
Cyclonemom
Veteran Member
Guess what, a positive Ebola test for that guy isn't necessary for all that to happen soon.
You're going
bw
Fringe Ranger
Never happen. It would be like shutting down the air routes to west Africa. We can't allow this to happen, it would be racist and economically damaging. Let's kill a few million instead.
We'll see bored teams of clueless and recently-unemployed English-Lit and Anthropology majors spraying disinfectant from pressure washers, wearing shorts and sandals. See? All clean! Don't you worry your pretty little head.
timbo
Deceased
I remember attending a local meeting of govt. officials, doctors and other leaders about AIDS.
One of the things we talked about (remember this was a time when AIDS and its dangers were almost totally unknown) was bridges into the major population. AIDS at the time was almost entirely in the homosexual population and the fear was it getting to the major population. IOW, sneaking in at small entry points and then being let loose to the general population.
The hospitals and airports now with ebola are the entry points. We need to stop it at the bridges before it totally gets out of control.
So far, a smucky job is being done to that.
One of the things we talked about (remember this was a time when AIDS and its dangers were almost totally unknown) was bridges into the major population. AIDS at the time was almost entirely in the homosexual population and the fear was it getting to the major population. IOW, sneaking in at small entry points and then being let loose to the general population.
The hospitals and airports now with ebola are the entry points. We need to stop it at the bridges before it totally gets out of control.
So far, a smucky job is being done to that.
A lot of "possible" infections around the country today but none positive I've heard of. I doubt they could hide many for very long. Someone's relative or friend would spill the beans. If the numbers of positive infections begins to multiply every week, it will be time to panic.
Ben Sunday
Deceased
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Wanting to not die of Ebola is racist.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Did they ever actually TEST him FOR ebola?
Read it carefully.
Read all these articles VERY carefully.
You will note they will say they're testing for "everything else" BUT ebola, OR that they "ruled out" ebola because the patient didn't "fit" in certain "parameters"---I read somewhere that they STOPPED TESTING and ASSUMED it was not ebola because "the patient had not been to any of the affected countries"---THEREFORE it COULDN'T be ebola and so they didn't even TEST FOR IT!!!
It's as though the protocol is:
Find EVERY POSSIBLE REASON NOT to give the ebola test if you can----
*give OTHER tests & if one comes up positive, STOP THERE & say "that's all they have"
*if patient has not visited one of 4 named African countries, or has not visited them w/i a given timeframe (now only TEN days), STOP THERE & say "it's NOT ebola"
*if patient is not (yet) bleeding out onto the floor, and comes out positive on one of the ABOVE criteria, STOP THERE and say "he could not POSSIBLY have ebola"
But WHATEVER you do---DO NOT TEST FOR EBOLA!!!
It might come up POSITIVE......
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
So was Duncan, on September 24.
Yes, it was a mess-up.
And we know THIS one is NOT a similar "mess-up" how?
AzProtector
Veteran Member
Agreed.
Folks on TB2K are acting like the US has 100, 000 confirmed cases.
Problem is, panic and hype...and no one is researching for themselves.
Folks on TB2K are acting like the US has 100, 000 confirmed cases.
Problem is, panic and hype...and no one is researching for themselves.
Codeno
Veteran Member
Just a wild guess.
My point above was that when the OP includes 8 flashing lights, a mushroom cloud, and reads "BRKG NEWS IT'S THE BIG ONE", there ought to be at the very least a modicum of substance in the article attached.
Nada. Again.
AzProtector
Veteran Member
+1
Until its confirmed as being Ebola it's simply hospitals being cautious and the media hyping it up.
Until its confirmed as being Ebola it's simply hospitals being cautious and the media hyping it up.
Just a wild guess.
My point above was that when the OP includes 8 flashing lights, a mushroom cloud, and reads "BRKG NEWS IT'S THE BIG ONE", there ought to be at the very least a modicum of substance in the article attached.
Nada. Again.
dstraito
TB Fanatic
How many incidents does it take to overwhelm a system? I mean an ebola patient requires a lot more people and procedures than most other patients. How many before the hospital or city services becomes overwhelmed. I saw on the Dallas Deputy one how they took four squad cars and had to fumigate them for 30 minutes and wipe them down with disinfectant. I guess how much infrastructure to be required depends on how soon in the cycle did they catch something. Like after the first exposure, was a quarantine activated or did 3-5 days go buy with who knows how many contact points.
How many people will it take to chase down 5 contacts? 10? 100? The resources exponentially are increased but the there is a limit to the number of resources available.
So what happens if the current hospital gets overwhelmed, they reach their critical mass number? Does it move to the next hospital and then to the next?
What happens when all the available hospitals reach critical mass?
It is a valid question for the future minded, to play the what if game. Let's hope these events are ended rather quickly but if they are not, is there a plan in place? I mean one that does not end in martial law and mandatory trips to FEMA camps.
TPTB don't want to panic the public so they down play everything. Until they can't. Then there is REAL panic. I don't see what they are buying by minimizing it unless they think they can contain this but imho, Pandora has already exited the box.
How many people will it take to chase down 5 contacts? 10? 100? The resources exponentially are increased but the there is a limit to the number of resources available.
So what happens if the current hospital gets overwhelmed, they reach their critical mass number? Does it move to the next hospital and then to the next?
What happens when all the available hospitals reach critical mass?
It is a valid question for the future minded, to play the what if game. Let's hope these events are ended rather quickly but if they are not, is there a plan in place? I mean one that does not end in martial law and mandatory trips to FEMA camps.
TPTB don't want to panic the public so they down play everything. Until they can't. Then there is REAL panic. I don't see what they are buying by minimizing it unless they think they can contain this but imho, Pandora has already exited the box.
WildDaisy
God has a plan, Trust it!
Spain and Australia have cases and I think Germany and Austria are testing potential cases.
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
If we had any trust in the government, we wouldn't be so worried.
I for one believe that our government is hiding confirmed cases of Ebola from us and that millions are in jeopardy because of their actions.
Aunt Pittypat
Contributing Member
Or, how 'bout John Kerry picking up the phone and instructing the embassies not to issue visas and declaring those with visas to be invalid? I heard on Judge Judy that that's perfectly legal.
I bet with one more plane detained at an airport and one more strike of cabin cleaners (or others) and they'll get down to the real business of protecting this country. So far, it's been all about money, political correctness, and keeping the herd from panicking.
Avatar
Human test subject #58652
What!?? Panic and hype on here. Noooo
I'm totally surprised nobody has claimed that Fukushima is causing the Ebola outbreak yet.
Even if there were 100,000 confirmed cases of Ebola in the U.S., there'd still be no point in panicking, and worrying about anything is just a waste of energy - period.
We're all preppers on this forum, and most are prepped as well as they can be. If we, who are ready for anything, can't handle the thought of dying regardless of our best efforts, then we haven't learned much over the past seventeen years or so (of TB2K), have we?
If your heart is pounding at this stage of the game, perhaps you ought to take a week off and not read all the play by play reports as they come in.
As for crying because of the mess the world is in, well..., I can understand that sentiment!
Whatever's going to happen, will happen, and while we need to be vigilant, we don't need to know what tomorrow will bring. 'Today's problems are sufficient.'
Artie.
We're all preppers on this forum, and most are prepped as well as they can be. If we, who are ready for anything, can't handle the thought of dying regardless of our best efforts, then we haven't learned much over the past seventeen years or so (of TB2K), have we?
If your heart is pounding at this stage of the game, perhaps you ought to take a week off and not read all the play by play reports as they come in.
As for crying because of the mess the world is in, well..., I can understand that sentiment!
Whatever's going to happen, will happen, and while we need to be vigilant, we don't need to know what tomorrow will bring. 'Today's problems are sufficient.'
Artie.
iboya
Veteran Member
http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2554588
By Philip Klein | October 9, 2014 | 10:21 am
HHS secretary: There may be other cases of Ebola in the U.S.
By Philip Klein | October 9, 2014 | 10:21 am
Secretary of Health and Human Services Sylvia Burwell said that despite the best efforts of health officials, Americans have to prepare for the reality that there may be more cases of Ebola in the United States.
“We had one case and I think there may be other cases, and I think we have to recognize that as a nation,” Burwell said at a media breakfast hosted by the journal Health Affairs and held at the Washington, D.C. offices of the Kaiser Family Foundation.
Burwell’s comments come as screening of travelers from Ebola-affected countries in West Africa has been stepped up at U.S. airports. On Wednesday, the first patient diagnosed with the virus on U.S. soil died in Texas.
She expressed confidence in the screening process that has already been in place in travelers' departure cities, but acknowledged that no such system is 100 percent.
“The most important place with regard to taking care of screening is actually at the point of departure,” she said. “And that’s been in place for many months and as we know, we have a case. That case sadly is deceased. But for many months, we did not have a case that entered the country. And we know that that screening has worked in the sense of 80 people have been pulled from the lines in the screening and stopped in the home country. And that’s the most important place to do that.”
She said that there was a massive effort at preparing the healthcare system to deal with any cases that may arise.
“What’s most important is we know how to contain," she said. "And that is: detect, contact tracing, isolation, and treatment.”
She said that 8,000 healthcare providers have been on Centers for Disease Control and Prevention webinars and hundreds of thousands of health care workers have been communicating through an alert network.
By Philip Klein | October 9, 2014 | 10:21 am
HHS secretary: There may be other cases of Ebola in the U.S.
By Philip Klein | October 9, 2014 | 10:21 am
Secretary of Health and Human Services Sylvia Burwell said that despite the best efforts of health officials, Americans have to prepare for the reality that there may be more cases of Ebola in the United States.
“We had one case and I think there may be other cases, and I think we have to recognize that as a nation,” Burwell said at a media breakfast hosted by the journal Health Affairs and held at the Washington, D.C. offices of the Kaiser Family Foundation.
Burwell’s comments come as screening of travelers from Ebola-affected countries in West Africa has been stepped up at U.S. airports. On Wednesday, the first patient diagnosed with the virus on U.S. soil died in Texas.
She expressed confidence in the screening process that has already been in place in travelers' departure cities, but acknowledged that no such system is 100 percent.
“The most important place with regard to taking care of screening is actually at the point of departure,” she said. “And that’s been in place for many months and as we know, we have a case. That case sadly is deceased. But for many months, we did not have a case that entered the country. And we know that that screening has worked in the sense of 80 people have been pulled from the lines in the screening and stopped in the home country. And that’s the most important place to do that.”
She said that there was a massive effort at preparing the healthcare system to deal with any cases that may arise.
“What’s most important is we know how to contain," she said. "And that is: detect, contact tracing, isolation, and treatment.”
She said that 8,000 healthcare providers have been on Centers for Disease Control and Prevention webinars and hundreds of thousands of health care workers have been communicating through an alert network.
I think we know that the likelihood of others with Ebola already being present in the U.S. is high, and that's why most posters here are upset, coupled with the fact that there's not a whole lot we can do to police every inch of the borders of such a large continent. More people with Ebola on N. American soil is inevitable.
Artie.
Artie.
BALONEY. Sure, it may be difficult or impossible to prevent EVERY SINGLE PERSON who tries to sneak into the country from succeeding, but at this point, we're not even trying! Hell, they're putting out the Welcome mat for them instead!
They can start by sending every freakin' one of those diseased "children" back to where they came from. Then they can stop handing out "appearance tickets" to those who DO make it across and are apprehended, and send every one of THEM back... preferably to Central America, where it will at least take them some time to get close enough to make the attempt again.
Hell, we've got thousands of felons in our jails who INS refuses to deport. There is a LOT we can do- but they're doing the exact opposite. This is deliberate.
Summerthyme
iboya
Veteran Member
Yes, the water is getting warmer...
Laurane
Canadian Loonie
I really like the idea of having visitors/immigrants having to prove they have medical insurance to cover their stay in USA (and Canada).
As winter visitors to US, we always carry enough insurance above what Canada provides us.......costs us about $1600 for 5 months, so not too expensive.
Most normal tourists would carry medical/missed flight insurance when going to a foreign country, so anyone who didn't would be suspect and could be further checked out with temperature checks etc. depending on which countries they had come from.
It would be a start......and a help to the US medical system.
As winter visitors to US, we always carry enough insurance above what Canada provides us.......costs us about $1600 for 5 months, so not too expensive.
Most normal tourists would carry medical/missed flight insurance when going to a foreign country, so anyone who didn't would be suspect and could be further checked out with temperature checks etc. depending on which countries they had come from.
It would be a start......and a help to the US medical system.
Songbird7777777
Membership Revoked
Due to computer issues I am having a difficult time posting entire articles. I can post some and the link.
A Ugandan doctor who contracted Ebola in Sierra Leone was hospitalized on Friday in Frankfurt, becoming the second victim of the deadly virus to be treated in Germany.
http://www.thelocal.de/20141003/ugandan-doctor-hospitalized-for-ebola-in-germany
Here is a sobering article!
Germany’s defence ministry has admitted it will be unable to fly home its soldiers battling Ebola in Africa if they get infected with the lethal disease because of a lack of transport planes - breaking a promise to its troops.
http://www.thelocal.de/20141008/germany-unable-to-fly-ebola-patients-home-bundeswehr
Songbird7777777
Membership Revoked
Artie, you are so right on! As a prepper on this site we should all be ready for this as best as can be, but, one of the most important and number one prep is, PREPARE TO DIE. None of us have any guarantee of tomorrow!
I guess the scariest part of this whole situation is that there are so many of our loved ones and friends that JUST DON"T GET IT! The fear and suffering they will have to endure because of not being ready is just unimaginable!
KKC
Veteran Member
I'm trying to keep an actual accurate head count at this thread http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?456131-How-bout-an-Ebola-Head-Count
According to what I know there is 1 dead and 1 confirmed in Nebraska that was brought to America from Africa.
But I'm depending greatly on you guys to keep me up on who's who and who has what and so on.
This New York guy? what's his status? is he confirmed, pending, tested, quarantined what?
Does he get added to the list?
{{{{{{{Songbird}}}}}}}
I hear you, but as with everything else, we can only sow seeds in our children, family members, friends, and others - we can't make them grow. It's just like The Gospel, there has to be fertile soil there. Hurts though; doesn't it?
Blessings to you and yours,
Artie.
AzProtector
Veteran Member
You clearly do not know many Dr.'s or scientists.
They can't keep their mouths shut.
The government doesn't have much to do with these reports...like none.
Im rather disappointed in the Timebomb crowd...usually so much better with stuff like this.
Oh well.
They can't keep their mouths shut.
The government doesn't have much to do with these reports...like none.
Im rather disappointed in the Timebomb crowd...usually so much better with stuff like this.
Oh well.
JohnGaltfla
#NeverTrump
Sad to say you sound like a DGI. But I'm used to hearing people believe anything the MSM and government says and then proclaiming they don't in the other breath. Just as disappointing.
Baloo
Veteran Member
Totally disagree.
Not only was I a former scientist, most of my friends are both sci/Drs.
Yes--they keep their mouths SHUT when faced with threats from the GOVT.
Baloo
Veteran Member
We agree once again John.
Shacknasty Shagrat
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Another dead with Ebola symptoms in Europe.
SS
' A British man with symptoms of the Ebola virus died in Macedonia on Thursday and authorities said they had sealed off a hotel where he stayed, keeping another Briton and hotel staff inside.
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Macedonia seals hotel after Briton dies of suspected Ebola
Source: Reuters - Thu, 9 Oct 2014 18:06 GMT
Author: Reuters
SKOPJE, Oct 9 (Reuters) - A British man with symptoms of the Ebola virus died in Macedonia on Thursday and authorities said they had sealed off a hotel where he stayed, keeping another Briton and hotel staff inside.
A Health Ministry official said the man had arrived in the capital, Skopje, from Britain on Oct. 2 and had been rushed to hospital at 3 p.m. (1300 GMT) on Thursday, where he died several hours later.
Source: Reuters - Thu, 9 Oct 2014 18:06 GMT
Author: Reuters
http://www.trust.org/item/20141009180623-yw974
SS
' A British man with symptoms of the Ebola virus died in Macedonia on Thursday and authorities said they had sealed off a hotel where he stayed, keeping another Briton and hotel staff inside.
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Macedonia seals hotel after Briton dies of suspected Ebola
Source: Reuters - Thu, 9 Oct 2014 18:06 GMT
Author: Reuters
SKOPJE, Oct 9 (Reuters) - A British man with symptoms of the Ebola virus died in Macedonia on Thursday and authorities said they had sealed off a hotel where he stayed, keeping another Briton and hotel staff inside.
A Health Ministry official said the man had arrived in the capital, Skopje, from Britain on Oct. 2 and had been rushed to hospital at 3 p.m. (1300 GMT) on Thursday, where he died several hours later.
Source: Reuters - Thu, 9 Oct 2014 18:06 GMT
Author: Reuters
http://www.trust.org/item/20141009180623-yw974
maric
Short but deadly
AGREED. Can't panic the sheeple.
AzProtector
Veteran Member
My Wife is a Nurse with a Doctorate and researched this up when it started here a few months ago.
Until theres a couple of confirmed cases at least, I think you all are being over the top....even for here.
Until theres a couple of confirmed cases at least, I think you all are being over the top....even for here.
JohnGaltfla
#NeverTrump
Funny thing is, they said that about the Ukraine in the 1930's during the forced starvation and the concentration camps in Nazi Germany(words to the effect of):
"I don't believe it, they are civilized governments. Show me more proof."
If you do not believe the government can and will keep an outbreak silenced in this country for as long as possible all I can say is enjoy your bleeding eyes.
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