ENER Secretary of Energy just declared a nationwide EV Public Charging Infrastructure Network

Kris Gandillon

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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TV was on in background. The idiot late night host Stephen Colbert had Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm on as a guest.

She flat out declared that all the states had just submitted their plans to do their part in building out a nationwide EV charging network that would have charging stations every 50 miles and would be FastChargers (really Tesla-like SuperChargers) that could recharge your EV in 10 minutes.

Colbert even did a double-take and said seriously, re-charge in 10 minutes and she re-confirmed YES, 10 minutes!

She did not provide any details but this would assume that all the FastChargers would be Tesla-style SuperChargers (or better) which can today charge a Tesla with 200 additional miles in 15 minutes or about 140 miles in 10 minutes.

But this assumes everyone has a Tesla which were designed for these SuperChargers and have the enhanced charging circuit built into the car to take advantage of the higher amperage and thus faster charging of the SuperChargers.

My $26,000 Bolt, and most non-Tesla EVs do not have the more robust in-vehicle charge circuitry to take full advantage of the Tesla SuperCharger amperage. My Bolt only gains about 100 miles every 30 minutes when charged using a SuperCharger.

I am sure that after Tesla’s recent announcement that they are opening up their entire 35,000 station Tesla SuperCharger network to non-Tesla EVs and this announcement from Granholm tonight will likely spur future models across the entire EV spectrum to include enhanced in-vehicle support to take full advantage of the SuperChargers.
 
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ssonb

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I watched an engineer give a short conversation on gas vs battery, he was pro electric but admitted that right now there is a problem with the charging infrastructure.
With only 2%of cars on the road being EV and areas of the country are already asking for people to refrain from plugging in their vehicles because of the limitations of the power grid!
I think they will just link the remote EV charger to a gas generator or to small solar panels.
He made an easy comparison between gasoline and battery.
The power stored in a standard Tesla battery equals 3 gallons of gas.
 
Txkstew

Txkstew

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They put in a modern EV charging station at our new super Walmart in town. It's a few blocks off IH10. Only one in the area for 100 miles, East or West. I've only seen a few cars charging there in the last two years. People sitting in their hot cars waiting for most of an hour. Takes a debit card to use. You'd think they would put an awning over the charging area.
 
CaryC

CaryC

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helen said:
The power is free to the EV driver? I have to pay for my power and all the EV's too?
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I read the article/OP a couple of times and didn't see where it said the power was free. So where did you get that?

Have been reading it costs about the same to fill up a Tesla as it does a car with reg.

2nd Those charging stations have to receive power from somewhere, so it's either some kind of power plant, coal, kuduz, nuclear, natural gas, or from that big square thing behind the charging station known as a diesel generator.

3rd if this was such great news, it would have been on CNN nonstop and not on a late night comedy show.

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Service and gas stations sprung up across the country when corporate and private capitalist saw that there was a potential to offer a service and make money. The government did not build this existing infrastructure but they sho wanna make you pay for building this next one.
 
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CaryC said:
I read the article/OP a couple of times and didn't see where it said the power was free. So where did you get that?

Have been reading it costs about the same to fill up a Tesla as it does a car with reg.

2nd Those charging stations have to receive power from somewhere, so it's either some kind of power plant, coal, kuduz, nuclear, natural gas, or from that big square thing behind the charging station known as a diesel generator.

3rd if this was such great news, it would have been on CNN nonstop and not on a late night comedy show.

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Hey, then all of my cars are electric since the engine spins the alternator which charges the battery fed through the electrical system.
 
CaryC

CaryC

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ssonb said:
Service and gas stations sprung up across the country when corporate and private capitalist saw that there was a potential to offer a service and make money. The government did not build this existing infrastructure but they sho wanna make you pay for building this next one.
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Not only that (Obama-mama you didn't build that. Whaaaaat?) but there was not a nation wide, world wide push by the government through incentives to purchase gas burning cars, and diesel trucks. And shaming those that don't.

When it would have been very green to keep everyone on horse and buggy, and the infrastructure to support that, including jobs. Had a cousin up in Corinth that had a business making spindles for wagon wheels. We would also not have needed, concrete and asphalt paving of interstate roads, cuz like covered wagons do fine on dirt, ask the pioneers.

Not to mention being able to recycle the entire wagon, and horse. Unlike tires and batteries.

But no we needed to get from here to there like yesterday. My answer to that: You should have left sooner.

And if anyone thinks we are progressing I would say to what end? Control. If we are so progressive, how did they build the Pyramids?

Chaos Mathematician: Just because we can doesn't mean we should. LOL
 
Griz3752

Griz3752

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Kris Gandillon said:
TV was on in background. The idiot late night host Stephen Colbert had Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm on as a guest.

She flat out declared that all the states had just submitted their plans to do their part in building out a nationwide EV charging network that would have charging stations every 50 miles and would be FastChargers (really Tesla-like SuperChargers) that could recharge your EV in 10 minutes.

Colbert even did a double-take and said seriously, re-charge in 10 minutes and she re-confirmed YES, 10 minutes!

She did not provide any details but this would assume that all the FastChargers would be Tesla-style SuperChargers (or better) which can today charge a Tesla with 200 additional miles in 15 minutes or about 140 miles in 10 minutes.

But this assumes everyone has a Tesla which were designed for these SuperChargers and have the enhanced charging circuit built into the car to take advantage of the higher amperage and thus faster charging of the SuperChargers.

My $26,000 Bolt, and most non-Tesla EVs do not have the more robust in-vehicle charge circuitry to take full advantage of the Tesla SuperCharger amperage. My Bolt only gains about 100 miles every 30 minutes when charged using a SuperCharger.

I am sure that after Tesla’s recent announcement that they are opening up their entire 35,000 station Tesla SuperCharger network to non-Tesla EVs and this announcement from Granholm tonight will likely spur future models across the entire EV spectrum to include enhanced in-vehicle support to take full advantage of the SuperChargers.
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l'm with you.
Apparently she's not aware not every EV is a Tesla or has it's charging capacity.

I'm wondering what would happen if one hooked up one of the budget model Chinese EVs to a Rapid Charger.

Sounds like a case of tell them what they think they want to hear without regard for the facts or the truth.

Oh yeah; I forgot. She's an experienced politician.

I noticed as they cut to commercial, she sat back all prim & propper like someone who thought she'd just scored some points in the HS Debate Club.

We'll see. .....
 
Kris Gandillon

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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ssonb said:
I watched an engineer give a short conversation on gas vs battery, he was pro electric but admitted that right now there is a problem with the charging infrastructure.
With only 2%of cars on the road being EV and areas of the country are already asking for people to refrain from plugging in their vehicles because of the limitations of the power grid!
I think they will just link the remote EV charger to a gas generator or to small solar panels.
He made an easy comparison between gasoline and battery.
The power stored in a standard Tesla battery equals 3 gallons of gas.
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There are 2 ways to look at it: POWER and COST. My Bolt holds 66 kWh of power. At my cost of 10 cents per kWh that is $6.60 cents to “fill up”. My range is roughly 300 miles for that $6.60.
 
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Publius

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CaryC said:
I read the article/OP a couple of times and didn't see where it said the power was free. So where did you get that?

Have been reading it costs about the same to fill up a Tesla as it does a car with reg.

2nd Those charging stations have to receive power from somewhere, so it's either some kind of power plant, coal, kuduz, nuclear, natural gas, or from that big square thing behind the charging station known as a diesel generator.

3rd if this was such great news, it would have been on CNN nonstop and not on a late night comedy show.

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You can be sure they are working on the details how much you charge you by the minute and it may work out to a gasoline powered car being cheeper by the mile.
 
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KFhunter

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Kris Gandillon said:
There are 2 ways to look at it: POWER and COST. My Bolt holds 66 kWh of power. At my cost of 10 cents per kWh that is $6.60 cents to “fill up”. My range is roughly 300 miles for that $6.60.
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Are the quick chargers only charging $0.10/kWh?

My understanding is they're a lot more expensive than typical home grid power.

I don't own an EV nor have I ever been in one let alone charged one.
 
Warthog

Warthog

Black Out
glennb6 said:
do you get a free windshield wash or bottle of water with that 'fill up'?
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No! But what you're soon to get is a nice miles driven tax bill from the government. Electric folks think they're getting out of paying that gas tax? Better think again!
 
Wildweasel

Wildweasel

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helen said:
The power is free to the EV driver? I have to pay for my power and all the EV's too?
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Not necessarily. Start with having a battery backup system installed in your house. Include a plug-in charging capability.

Just buy a bunch of really heavy-duty batteries like golf cart batteries. Mount them in the back of a pickup or better, a van and wire them to mimic the voltage an EV uses (48V?). Hook an EV charger receptacle and system to the batteries. Also include a plug to let you connect to the home battery system.

Drive to your nearest charging station and charge the batteries as needed. Anybody asks, "It's an EV conversion."

Enjoy your free power. And I seriously doubt that I'm the first person to come up with the idea.
 
Dennis Olson

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I don’t see how the OP infrastructure is necessary.

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Publius

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Warthog said:
No! But what you're soon to get is a nice miles driven tax bill from the government. Electric folks think they're getting out of paying that gas tax? Better think again!
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Your right and see post 27# they will charge you enough that the federal government turns a good profit from it and there are the local state registration free's like telling you its now $250. or more a year to keep the electric car on the road
 
Firebird

Firebird

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Kris Gandillon said:
There are 2 ways to look at it: POWER and COST. My Bolt holds 66 kWh of power. At my cost of 10 cents per kWh that is $6.60 cents to “fill up”. My range is roughly 300 miles for that $6.60.
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That's pretty amazing, and is great for a city car, but that Bolt won't pull my 10,000 pound camper. But I could see having an EV for my city use, it would work just fine
 
Zagdid

Zagdid

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Txkstew said:
They put in a modern EV charging station at our new super Walmart in town. It's a few blocks off IH10. Only one in the area for 100 miles, East or West. I've only seen a few cars charging there in the last two years. People sitting in their hot cars waiting for most of an hour. Takes a debit card to use. You'd think they would put an awning over the charging area.
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How long until somebody figures out how to hook up their RV to the charging station and camp comfortably for the night? Any law against that?
 
Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

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Zagdid said:
How long until somebody figures out how to hook up their RV to the charging station and camp comfortably for the night? Any law against that?
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The connectors and charging circuitry aren’t compatible. And again:

THE POWER IS NOT FREE. YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
 
AlaskaSue

AlaskaSue

North to the Future
rbt said:
This will work real good on roads with no power whatsoever another dumb a**.
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Ha! I chuckle thinking how the drive from Willow to Chena would go. Or Palmer to Valdez over the pass. Even Anchorage to Seward (theu another pass). Esp in winter. There aren’t even rest stops, lol. Well a couple of port-a-potties, but no power required for those. And closed Sept to April so good luck with that.

Did I say Ha! yet ;)

…btw what makes the electricals available to all these proposed charging stations anyway? Asking for a friend….
 
Zagdid

Zagdid

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Dennis Olson said:
The connectors and charging circuitry aren’t compatible. And again:

THE POWER IS NOT FREE. YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
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Yes it would take some engineering. One of the three different power receptacle connectors and an intelligent interface to control the charger. Perhaps a battery for a constant load buffer. In a country that graduates more lawyers than engineers I guess it would never happen. Campgrounds charge for electricity too and so much more.
 
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