ENER Secretary of Energy just declared a nationwide EV Public Charging Infrastructure Network

[Dennis Olson]

Why? Why would someone design an adapter? RV parks already have power, and city/parking lot based stations aren’t compatible with the physical size of an RV. But don’t let my attempt to inject rationality into this conversation deter you from talking crazy sh*t. Y’all go right ahead.

 

[Dozdoats]

Another US government lackey doing the bidding of its WEF masters.

 

[CaryC]

There are 2 ways to look at it: POWER and COST. My Bolt holds 66 kWh of power. At my cost of 10 cents per kWh that is $6.60 cents to “fill up”. My range is roughly 300 miles for that $6.60.

Is that on the 110 outlet recharge, or the 220 outlet recharge? Or did you have the fast recharge installed in your home?

And that's not at a fast recharge at a Tesla, is it?

2) How long did it take?

3) Your Bolt, is a small car right? So can't compare to an SUV or Truck hauling a load.

And hey I get that it works for you, and that is great. And don't begrudge that in the least. Or for anyone else either.

My complaint is that the government greenies are using car salesman tactics to come near to mandating everyone converting over to EV and are giving out "to good to be true" statements, that are false.

 

[Warthog]

$40 to $60 grand for EV. Duke Energy bill for charging at home goes way up and strains the grid, unless you pay for solar. Federal, State, and Local miles driven taxes for all. EV's weigh 4 to 8 thousand pounds more than a GV, so can't wait to get T-boned by the those fancy EV's. Have fun paying for that $30,000 battery too, if it's not covered under full warranty.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

They put in a modern EV charging station at our new super Walmart in town. It's a few blocks off IH10. Only one in the area for 100 miles, East or West. I've only seen a few cars charging there in the last two years. People sitting in their hot cars waiting for most of an hour. Takes a debit card to use. You'd think they would put an awning over the charging area.

Where are you if you don’t mind saying?

 

[Steve308]

These charging stations are not the answer. I think a better solution is a swappable battery, kind of like exchanging a propane cyclinder at the local Home Depot. I was recently reading about an agreement between the big 4 Japanese motorcycle manufacturers about standardizing on a battery size and shape for a new generation of EV scooters and smaller motorcycles. The batteries would be easily removable (think battery powered tools, only bigger), and you pull into the battery station, pull your battery, put it into the rechargable device and remove an already charged battery. I assume there is some kind of fee, but you are in and back out of the battery station in a couple of minutes, not spending hours waiting for your vehicle to recharge. I assume the same theory would work for EV cars, though would probably need some type of machine to remove the batteries in a car, as there are more of them and probably weigh more. Maybe a modular battery pack on the bottom of the car, and you pull into the station, stop over a slot where a machine reaches up, removes the depleted battery pack and replaces it with a newly charged one, and then you are good to go. If you're going to build an infrastructure from scratch, might as well be smart and efficient about it...

 

[Kris Gandillon]

You can be sure they are working on the details how much you charge you by the minute and it may work out to a gasoline powered car being cheeper by the mile.

Some charging networks charge by the minute but others charge by the kWh. The trend seems to be going toward charging by the kWh. That is the fairer way to charge as it is just like charging by the gallon for gas rather than by how long it takes you to fill up.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Are the quick chargers only charging $0.10/kWh?

My understanding is they're a lot more expensive than typical home grid power.

I don't own an EV nor have I ever been in one let alone charged one.

Some public chargers are “free” (sponsored by the host which might be a hotel, restaurant, car dealership or shopping center) but most charge by the minute or by the kWh.

I have never had to charge at a pay charger yet but the charging network apps I have on my phone and the MyChevy app show me where all of the charging stations are in a circle around my current location, if they are currently occupied or available and how much they charge to use then.

So far, in about 16 months of ownership I have driven almost 6,000 miles and only charged at home and have never gone below 100 miles of remaining range. My electric bill separates out my EV and shows that between $8 and $12 a month of my electric bill is to charge the Bolt which matches what the Bolt energy management system says I am using.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Is that on the 110 outlet recharge, or the 220 outlet recharge? Or did you have the fast recharge installed in your home?

Doesn’t matter, the cost, at my home in Missouri is 10 cents per kWh, regardless if it delivered via 110 volts or 240 volts. I only have 110 volt standard Level 1 charger at the moment but looking into adding a 240 volt circuit so I can use a Fast Charger. 110 gives you about 4 miles of range per hour of charging which works fine for us as we rarely go more than 40 miles total in a day, so by morning it is always fully charged.

And that's not at a fast recharge at a Tesla, is it?

No, at a Tesla SuperCharger the specs say the Bolt can add 100 miles of range in 30 minutes.

2) How long did it take? Noted above 4 miles of range per hour at 110 volts, 12 amps.

3) Your Bolt, is a small car right? So can't compare to an SUV or Truck hauling a load.

Wasn’t trying to compare it to that.

And hey I get that it works for you, and that is great. And don't begrudge that in the least. Or for anyone else either.

My complaint is that the government greenies are using car salesman tactics to come near to mandating everyone converting over to EV and are giving out "to good to be true" statements, that are false.

As I laid out on a previous EV thread, the real world numbers of cars built and sold each year in the US for the last 20 years, it would take a minimum of 16 years to replace all of the 280 million ICE vehicles on the road today and that assumes they could ramp up EV production and sales IMMEDIATELY to 16 million cars a year and totally shutdown sales of ICE vehicles. They can’t and won’t do either one.

If it ever happens, it will take multiple DECADES. Most everyone reading this thread will likely be dead by then. No one is going to force any of you reading this to buy an EV in your lifetime.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

$40 to $60 grand for EV. Duke Energy bill for charging at home goes way up and strains the grid, unless you pay for solar. Federal, State, and Local miles driven taxes for all. EV's weigh 4 to 8 thousand pounds more than a GV, so can't wait to get T-boned by the those fancy EV's. Have fun paying for that $30,000 battery too, if it's not covered under full warranty.

I have no idea where you get your weight numbers but any search can show you that my EV Bolt and my wife’s Equinox weigh roughly the same, about 3,600 lbs. A Tesla Model S weights about 4,700 lbs, neither of which is 4 to 8 thousand pounds more than similar GV.

My Bolt battery is currently $13,500 not $30,000.

Does Duke charge extra because you are charging an EV? If not, you are doing what I did and trading a relatively large gasoline bill (hundreds a month) for a relatively tiny bump in the electric bill each month.

My wife’s 2019 Equinox gets 32 miles per gallon. Those 6,000 miles would have cost us 6,000 / 32 = $750 at $4.00/gallon.

Instead, those 6,000 miles in my Bolt cost $132 of additional cost on our electric bill.

At today’s comparative out-of-pocket prices the fuel costs are almost 6 times more to drive the Equinox than to drive the Bolt. Add in the lack of moving parts, fluids and other GV / ICE maintenance costs and the benefits and savings in time, money and general anguish seal the deal.

I went EV for all of the above reasons, not because I am a greenie by any stretch of the imagination. I spent 11 years in the oil and gas industry, “Drill, baby, drill!”

 

[Dennis Olson]

Both my Murano and Aurora weigh about 4500 lbs. Gas powered.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

These charging stations are not the answer. I think a better solution is a swappable battery, kind of like exchanging a propane cyclinder at the local Home Depot. I was recently reading about an agreement between the big 4 Japanese motorcycle manufacturers about standardizing on a battery size and shape for a new generation of EV scooters and smaller motorcycles. The batteries would be easily removable (think battery powered tools, only bigger), and you pull into the battery station, pull your battery, put it into the rechargable device and remove an already charged battery. I assume there is some kind of fee, but you are in and back out of the battery station in a couple of minutes, not spending hours waiting for your vehicle to recharge. I assume the same theory would work for EV cars, though would probably need some type of machine to remove the batteries in a car, as there are more of them and probably weigh more. Maybe a modular battery pack on the bottom of the car, and you pull into the station, stop over a slot where a machine reaches up, removes the depleted battery pack and replaces it with a newly charged one, and then you are good to go. If you're going to build an infrastructure from scratch, might as well be smart and efficient about it...

Tesla actually proof-of-concepted that several years ago. It did not pan out as hoped for a variety of reasons, most of which were marketing related as opposed to technical reasons.

One example, you just bought a top-of-the line Tesla of which the brand new battery is a substantial part of the cost. A week later you need a “fill-up”. You pull into the Jiffy-Lube like facility, they drop your brand new battery pack and install a 5 year old refurbed but perfectly usable battery pack. Rinse and repeat periodically. Emotionally and mentally they got a lot of pushback from the target audiences they tested this concept on.

 

[Southside]

No EV's for me.
But, if I were to get one, this one is colossally sexy.

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[Luddite]

they got a lot of pushback from the target audiences they tested this concept on.

Then sell the car without a battery. You pay a "deposit" for the battery.
Heck, uncle Sam might nationalize a universal battery system.
For the environment dontcha know

 

[Doc1]

I've long thought that these exotic - and expensive - batteries will keep EVs from becoming mainstream. I've read a lot of stories of people discovering that a replacement battery costs more than the car is worth.

IMHO they should stick with the tried and true lead-acid battery technology. You wouldn't get as much range as with the exotic batteries, but the cost would be much, much lower and everything in a lead-acid battery is easily recycled.

Best
Doc

 

[Steve308]

Tesla actually proof-of-concepted that several years ago. It did not pan out as hoped for a variety of reasons, most of which were marketing related as opposed to technical reasons.

One example, you just bought a top-of-the line Tesla of which the brand new battery is a substantial part of the cost. A week later you need a “fill-up”. You pull into the Jiffy-Lube like facility, they drop your brand new battery pack and install a 5 year old refurbed but perfectly usable battery pack. Rinse and repeat periodically. Emotionally and mentally they got a lot of pushback from the target audiences they tested this concept on.

Interesting that they figured this out, but couldn't figure out a way to market around the image issue. I would think they could sell this just like my propane tank analogy. Or like Luddite mentions above, you get the car without a battery, they push you down the street to the battery station ( ), and you "fill up" with your first battery "purchase"...kind of like buying that first tank of gas for a new car.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Interesting that they figured this out, but couldn't figure out a way to market around the image issue. I would think they could sell this just like my propane tank analogy. Or like Luddite mentions above, you get the car without a battery, they push you down the street to the battery station ( ), and you "fill up" with your first battery "purchase"...kind of like buying that first tank of gas for a new car.

I agree but to be truly workable the EV industry would need to consolidate and standardize on just a handful of different battery pack sizes, capacities and shapes. The battery pack on my Bolt is basically the size of the floorplan under the entire interior between the firewall and rear wheels. Having the unique batteries used by all the current crop of EVs would be economically unworkable.

Unless every “Jiffy-Lube” like facility to swap batteries always had plenty of all of the different batteries to serve all of the different customers, this model also falls apart quickly. Therefore, charging stations and lots of them are the only economically viable and consumer accepted solution for this challenge, at this time.

 

[AlfaMan]

The connectors and charging circuitry aren’t compatible. And again:

THE POWER IS NOT FREE. YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

I'll add another caveat to that too.

Where in the world are they going to get enough chargers for a nationwide network of chargers? Particulary the 50/60 KW chargers.

Bosch is the big company here for supplying those 50/60 KW chargers. There's CURRENTLY an 8 month lead time from when you order a (single !) one of these chargers. AND you have to get licensed electrician to install it and hook it up to the power grid. Good luck on getting a quick appointment for that. Those appointments for commercial customers is around 8 months out as well.

The country isn't ready from an infrastructure standpoint for a nationwide EV recharging network.

 

[AlfaMan]

These charging stations are not the answer. I think a better solution is a swappable battery, kind of like exchanging a propane cyclinder at the local Home Depot. I was recently reading about an agreement between the big 4 Japanese motorcycle manufacturers about standardizing on a battery size and shape for a new generation of EV scooters and smaller motorcycles. The batteries would be easily removable (think battery powered tools, only bigger), and you pull into the battery station, pull your battery, put it into the rechargable device and remove an already charged battery. I assume there is some kind of fee, but you are in and back out of the battery station in a couple of minutes, not spending hours waiting for your vehicle to recharge. I assume the same theory would work for EV cars, though would probably need some type of machine to remove the batteries in a car, as there are more of them and probably weigh more. Maybe a modular battery pack on the bottom of the car, and you pull into the station, stop over a slot where a machine reaches up, removes the depleted battery pack and replaces it with a newly charged one, and then you are good to go. If you're going to build an infrastructure from scratch, might as well be smart and efficient about it...

Tesla actually tried that swappable battery pack idea when they first started rolling out their supercharger stations we see all over the place now.

The swappable battery program lasted maybe 6 months for Tesla. Then they killed it.

Overhead was WAY too high, not to mention the building, infrastructure for the building (and extra/spare battery packs to swap.) Tesla has enough problems getting enough batteries for the cars they make, let alone spare ones for the swap service. It was a financial black hole for them; at least they recognized it before they started bleeding money on it.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

I'll add another caveat to that too.

Where in the world are they going to get enough chargers for a nationwide network of chargers? Particulary the 50/60 KW chargers.

Bosch is the big company here for supplying those 50/60 KW chargers. There's CURRENTLY an 8 month lead time from when you order a (single !) one of these chargers. AND you have to get licensed electrician to install it and hook it up to the power grid. Good luck on getting a quick appointment for that. Those appointments for commercial customers is around 8 months out as well.

The country isn't ready from an infrastructure standpoint for a nationwide EV recharging network.

You have to start though or every day you delay pushes the results out further. A journey starts with the first step.

And it sounds like we aren’t even talking about using the wimpy little 50/60KW chargers but the 250KW (or larger) SuperChargers since she did declare “10 minutes” to charge! The only way to get that is current or even more powerful SuperChargers. And we know politicians never lie!

Reality is that most currently available non-Tesla EVs do not have the advanced charging circuitry or batteries that can utilize the Tesla SuperChargers charger performance, so their needs to be a big asterisk beside that “10 minute” re-charging claim…*IF YOU DRIVE A TESLA.

I predict those SuperCharger charging performance capabilities will be standardized and built-in to almost all future EVs within the next few years as doing so will be critical to wider and quicker EV adoption.

Otherwise, since charging time is a major show-stopper for many people, not doing everything possible to solve it could be the straw that breaks the EVs back in terms of wider acceptance.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Here’s what it would take for me to consider one:

400 mpc
30 min recharge
Battery swaps don’t require taking out a second mortgage
At least 95 mph top speed
Cost the same as a gas car

 

[Txkstew]

Where are you if you don’t mind saying?

This is in Vidor, Tx about 30 miles from the Louisiana border, and 100 miles to Houston. They had an article in the local news, saying they want one in Chambers Co, half way from Vidor, to Houston. They probably want one every 60 miles on the Interstate corridors.

 

[hiwall]

If the charging stations are going to be used as a money maker for whoever installs them, the the electric rate charged would have to be very high. If the going rate in an area was like 10 cents per kw, the charge station would have to charge several times that much. Maybe 50 cents or probably much more per kw. I could easily see it being way over a dollar and even at that I don't see much profit in it.
Right now many chargers are put in by local gov and are free. Or by an existing business that has one or two that are free just to promote their business.
To have enough charging stations without our gov going way deeper in debt, the charge stations would have to be just like gas stations and ran for profit. We are a long way from that being profitable. Years away. So really the only viable option if our government wants EVs to really take off then they have to build, maintain, and pay for the electric at the charge stations.
Boondoggle.

 

[TammyinWI]

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[helen]

There are 2 ways to look at it: POWER and COST. My Bolt holds 66 kWh of power. At my cost of 10 cents per kWh that is $6.60 cents to “fill up”. My range is roughly 300 miles for that $6.60.

I've never seen a charging station. Who sets the price? Is it comparable to local usage rates?

 

[bassgirl]

Wait till they have to start charging a mileage tax. No gas being sold, means no taxes collected. Know they are already contemplating this in CA.

Most likely you will have to report your odometer reading to the DMV when you get your tags yearly.

 

[intothatgoodnight]

Unless every “Jiffy-Lube” like facility to swap batteries always had plenty of all of the different batteries to serve all of the different customers, this model also falls apart quickly. Therefore, charging stations and lots of them are the only economically viable and consumer accepted solution for this challenge, at this time.

Tesla and Bolt (GM) have figured out how to 1) show charging stations around you/on your intended journey path, displayed upon your interior EV dash-screen, B) will let you query ahead as to whether a charging system is available when you get there - or reserve a charging slot (Tesla, IIRC).

Take that concept to the next obvious step - the EV computer system has already identified charging/battery pack swap locations in your AO, or along your intended journey - and has already determined what you will need, when you would need it, and would have the correct battery swap lined up and ready to go when you get there.

The EV battery swap systems would be fully computerized, in constant real-time contact with individual (nearby?) EVs, and use a real-time battery pack inventory management employing predictive AI inventory management. Could work very well, and reliably - implemented correctly.


intothegoodnight

 

[intothatgoodnight]

Wait till they have to start charging a mileage tax. No gas being sold, means no taxes collected. Know they are already contemplating this in CA.

Most likely you will have to report your odometer reading to the DMV when you get your tags yearly.

Or, the EV computer notifies the state/fed tax folks, on your behalf, in real-time. Never have to lift a finger.


intothegoodnight

 

[Dennis Olson]

Most likely you will have to report your odometer reading to the DMV when you get your tags yearly

This has been discussed at length multiple times. There have been several technological test runs of various methodologies. The most likely is a black box that reports your mileage to government agencies, and they send you a bill based on miles travelled.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

If the charging stations are going to be used as a money maker for whoever installs them, the the electric rate charged would have to be very high. If the going rate in an area was like 10 cents per kw, the charge station would have to charge several times that much. Maybe 50 cents or probably much more per kw. I could easily see it being way over a dollar and even at that I don't see much profit in it.
Right now many chargers are put in by local gov and are free. Or by an existing business that has one or two that are free just to promote their business.
To have enough charging stations without our gov going way deeper in debt, the charge stations would have to be just like gas stations and ran for profit. We are a long way from that being profitable. Years away. So really the only viable option if our government wants EVs to really take off then they have to build, maintain, and pay for the electric at the charge stations.
Boondoggle.

There are currently a handful of for-profit charging station networks. ChargePoint and ElectrifyAmerica are the two I have signed up for (but have never used) and there are others built into the MyChevy app. They charge about 3-4 times the going rate for residential electricity. 30 to 45 cents per kWh. Some charge by the minute of charging time instead of by the kWh.

Unless you are a road warrior that needs to drive hundreds of miles every day, you are only going to need public charging stations sporadically.

Many of us get by charging at home every day.

In 15 months of EV ownership and 6,000 miles of driving. I have never had to use a public charger but I know where they are should I ever need one. I have several friends with EVs who have also never used a public charger but some of them have invested in the 240 volt Level 2 home charger setup so they can fully recharge overnight after driving 200-300 miles.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Wait till they have to start charging a mileage tax. No gas being sold, means no taxes collected. Know they are already contemplating this in CA.

Most likely you will have to report your odometer reading to the DMV when you get your tags yearly.

That is one possibility.

However, Missouri requires EV owners to purchase a $95 “Alternative Fuel” sticker that goes in the corner of your windshield where the inspection sticker would normally go. This is Missouri’s way of making up for the gas tax EV owners aren’t paying.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

This has been discussed at length multiple times. There have been several technological test runs of various methodologies. The most likely is a black box that reports your mileage to government agencies, and they send you a bill based on miles travelled.

My Bolt can already send me a text and/or email and does, with that information. The Data already exists and could easily be sent anywhere so yea, that’s already built-in.

 

[Ractivist]

No battery's will stand the test of time with a fast charge of this nature. Ten minutes, not a chance, over time it will destroy the battery's....and what do they cost???? IN the short term, expect fires and explosions.....that's a lot of amperage, heat, fire...nationwide. It would likely be a new class of death, statistics. It's a lie, or it's a lie......

It truly is another means to waste our money for something not necessary, as fossil fuels are awesome in cars.

 

[Kathy in FL]

Wawa nearest us has a full bank of those stupid tesla charging stations. I've never ... as in never ... seen a single vehicle using them.

My son asked the attendants in the store how long it took to charge a tesla, only one of them knew. He said the newer tesla models take about 45 minutes to fully charge. If you have the unlimited plan through tesla it costs you nothing at the charger. The charger does not charge every type of EV, only those compatible with tesla charging stations.

 

[Kathy in FL]

Someone will come up with an adapter, just give it time.

They've already tried that. It doesn't mean anything because if it isn't a tesla, it can't use the "supercharging" feature which means you are on a slowboat to nowhere and will be several hours recharging a non-tesla EV.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

No battery's will stand the test of time with a fast charge of this nature. Ten minutes, not a chance, over time it will destroy the battery's....and what do they cost???? IN the short term, expect fires and explosions.....that's a lot of amperage, heat, fire...nationwide. It would likely be a new class of death, statistics. It's a lie, or it's a lie......

It truly is another means to waste our money for something not necessary, as fossil fuels are awesome in cars.

You are correct to a point but as I noted above, public SuperCharging is and should be a relatively rare event. It is NOT something most EV owners do on a regular basis.

Most charge at home every day at 120 or 240 volts and that is what the EV battery and charging system is optimally designed for in terms of “every day” charging.

Frequent SuperCharging is harder on the battery and will accelerate the slow annual decline in regards to the maximum range / maximum charge the battery provides over its lifetime.

 

[Kathy in FL]

These charging stations are not the answer. I think a better solution is a swappable battery, kind of like exchanging a propane cyclinder at the local Home Depot. I was recently reading about an agreement between the big 4 Japanese motorcycle manufacturers about standardizing on a battery size and shape for a new generation of EV scooters and smaller motorcycles. The batteries would be easily removable (think battery powered tools, only bigger), and you pull into the battery station, pull your battery, put it into the rechargable device and remove an already charged battery. I assume there is some kind of fee, but you are in and back out of the battery station in a couple of minutes, not spending hours waiting for your vehicle to recharge. I assume the same theory would work for EV cars, though would probably need some type of machine to remove the batteries in a car, as there are more of them and probably weigh more. Maybe a modular battery pack on the bottom of the car, and you pull into the station, stop over a slot where a machine reaches up, removes the depleted battery pack and replaces it with a newly charged one, and then you are good to go. If you're going to build an infrastructure from scratch, might as well be smart and efficient about it...

Tesla tried that. It didn't work for whatever reason.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Wawa nearest us has a full bank of those stupid tesla charging stations. I've never ... as in never ... seen a single vehicle using them.

My son asked the attendants in the store how long it took to charge a tesla, only one of them knew. He said the newer tesla models take about 45 minutes to fully charge. If you have the unlimited plan through tesla it costs you nothing at the charger. The charger does not charge every type of EV, only those compatible with tesla charging stations.

But then there is this….

Tesla poised to open its Supercharger network to other electric vehicles

Tesla Inc. is trying to tap into public funding to build electric-vehicle chargers, as it moves to open some of its U.S. Supercharger network to EVs made by...

www.marketwatch.com

Tesla poised to open its Supercharger network to other electric vehicles
Published: July 24, 2022 at 7:27 p.m. ET

Tesla Inc. is trying to tap into public funding to build electric-vehicle chargers, as it moves to open some of its U.S. Supercharger network to EVs made by other manufacturers.

The EV-market leader is bidding for a portion of billions in federal and state dollars that are up for grabs in coming years as the Biden administration, auto makers and many states try to accelerate a fast-charger build-out along highways to reassure drivers that they can travel without fear of losing power.

Tesla TSLA, +1.11% already has a national network of fast chargers for its own drivers, but they aren’t available to other types of vehicles in the U.S. For a year, the company has said it plans to open its U.S. network to others, though details about timing and whether it would open existing stations or new ones have been sparse. Recent regulatory filings and other documents indicate that the company is applying for public funding that, if granted, would require access by other makers of EVs to the network.

In June, California’s energy-agency staff proposed awarding Tesla $6.4 million toward building chargers in rural areas, according to grant documents. The company also applied for charging grants in Texas last November, though it didn’t win funding there, which was given to the first companies that applied, other documents show.

According to a White House fact sheet in late June, Tesla will by year-end “begin production of new Supercharger equipment that will enable non-Tesla EV drivers in North America to use Tesla Superchargers.”

An expanded version of this report appears on WSJ.com.

 

[Kathy in FL]

Something else they aren't understanding is that many apartments and/or condos do not have their own garage for parking. A personal EV at-home charging station is not going to be a functional reality for that situation.

Also, it is going to be the rare landlord that allows a charging station to be installed on their buildings? Why? First and foremost will be insurance and liability. Second? repair costs which will be forever tied to the property. I'm sure that the electric companies and installers can come up with even more reasons.

So, if we are going to own nothing and like it, you are never going to own a home that you can have a charging station installed on. And WEF is saying that owning a vehicle is selfish anyway so this entire conversation is pointless.

 

[fish hook]

No! But what you're soon to get is a nice miles driven tax bill from the government. Electric folks think they're getting out of paying that gas tax? Better think again!

Already in place in Alabama. Additional $ 150.00 pr year for hybrid, $ 250.00 for full ev.