ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

coalcracker

Veteran Member
maybe so but real people are still dieing.

Those that are in on the psyop are psychopaths.

And dont think 'they' wouldnt nuke a city or drop the grid just because its a psyop.

Indeed! No, I believe we are possibly in line for a Russian nuclear first strike. Time for God to judge the immoral and proud nation that has turned from the Lord. Dimitru Duduman’s prophecy, you know? I’ve been literally reorganizing preps and preparing my fallout shelter.

I like Samuel Adam’s post because he reminds us to be weary of propaganda and psy ops. They can be used in many ways. We must always remain critical thinkers.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Excellent points. Yes, those early reports out of China were masterfully done, weren’t they? It would be a shame if the alternative media is doing to us what CNN is doing to the libtards, you know, forming our opinions apart from our individual critical thinking.

Thanks for the reminder.

Thank YOU, CC.

That reminder is precisely the entire point of my postings.

We’re all in this together, so there is (lest expressly indicated) nothing personally negative implied.

I just see things a little different, often enough......and somebody needs to play thinking voice of dissent/“devil’s advocate”.

Here am I.....allow me.
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
I predict a small incursion by Russia, a slap in the face if you will. Then a cessation of hostilities. NATO/USA will freak and run around in panic mode like the homosexuals they represent.

Putin and Lavrov are in control yanking the West's chain. They are looking for concessions. The leadership in the west is feeble. Russia is not going to cause WWIII over this. This is an action to destabilize NATO by causing a German rift and placing a boot in UKR to test the West's will. Putin is doing the equivalent of a dog testing another dog by eating out of his pan.
 

CaryC

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Saw an article earlier, but can't find it now......

The reporter at BBC was asking the Russian people, what they thought. He was out in a Market somewhere in Moscow.

All replied that Russia won't invade, because there is no reason to, and all the hype is coming from the west.

Another BBC reporter, in a market in Kyiv, was interviewing Ukraine people, and they also said an invasion was unlikely, but that they were still training and if it came they would fight for Ukraine.

Both sides are either under the spell of the government run media (are we that way???) or living there, know more about the situation than we do.

Feb. 1 is my end date. If it doesn't go hot by then, it won't. IMHO
 

Zagdid

Veteran Member

Russian crude exports to US highlight risks to Ukraine talks for Biden
Talks between US officials and the Kremlin to avert an invasion of Ukraine ended inconclusively Jan. 21 against a backdrop of record high oil and petroleum product deliveries from Russia to the world's largest consumer of crude.

Shipments of Russian crude to the US in 2021 averaged 202,000 b/d, the highest in 11 years, according to data from S&P Global Platts trade-flow analytics tool cFlow. Most of these imports consist of Russian export grades, such as Urals, ESPO Blend and Varandey.

Overall Russian crude and product shipments accounted for 11% of total US imports between January and October 2021, according to data from the US Energy Information Administration. Imports of Russian crude and products averaged 704,300 b/d in this period, EIA data showed. The US is now importing higher volumes from Russia than it is from key ally Saudi Arabia.

In addition to crude oil, the US imports mainly Russian fuel oil and various feedstocks such as high sulfur fuel oil, high sulfur vacuum gasoil, low sulfur vacuum gasoil, high sulfur straight run fuel oil and low sulfur straight run fuel oil.
The bulk of these flows have been delivered to ExxonMobil's 560,500 b/d Baytown plant, Valero's 335,000 b/d Port Arthur and 340,000 b/d St. Charles facilities, and Chevron's 356,400 b/d Pascagoula and 269,000 b/d El Segundo refineries, according to cFlow data.

Blinken challenge

The growing importance of Russia's crude to US refiners underscores the challenge facing US Secretary of State Antony Blinken in negotiations with his counterpart Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, set to resume next month, as the two sides attempt to resolve tensions over the buildup of Russian troops on the Ukrainian border, as well as Moscow's requests for security guarantees from NATO.

Russian exports to the US have increased in recent years, primarily as a result of US sanctions against Venezuela. Previously, US refiners were particularly reliant on heavy and sour Venezuelan crude, which in some cases is quite similar to Russian medium sour oil.

The tense Ukraine situation and rising geopolitical risks in the Middle East have partly pushed oil prices higher in recent weeks and led a number of banks to increase their price forecasts. Platts assessed Russia's key crude grade Urals at $88.34/b Jan. 20, up 30% since Dec. 20.

Following the talks Jan. 21, Blinken and Lavrov said that the US has agreed to respond to all of Russia's security demands next week.

Lavrov said that officials could meet again in February, adding that Russian President Vladimir Putin is open to meeting his US counterpart, Joe Biden.

Blinken reiterated that the US will respond swiftly and severely to any movement of Russian military forces across Ukraine's border. This response could include sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, as well as further financial restrictions, including blocking use of the US dollar. The US could also build on 2014 measures targeting transfer of technology used in shale, Arctic offshore, and deepwater oil production.

Few alternatives

Growing imports of Russian crude to the US come at a time when sourcing alternatives could prove difficult for the world's largest consumer. Other supply risks include diminishing odds of an Iran nuclear deal, deteriorating stability in Libya, and decreasing OPEC+ spare capacity, S&P Global Platts Analytics has warned.

"Planned OPEC+ production hikes will reduce sustainable spare capacity to an uncomfortably low 800,000 b/d by June, just as oil demand is set to grow by 3.5 million b/d in H2 2022," according to Paul Sheldon, chief geopolitical adviser at Platts Analytics.
 

Mongo

Veteran Member
I wonder what O Really will think when the helicopters start flying off the embassy roof tonight, eh Danielboon? Next week, means by the end of the weekend methinks.

The poor, ignorant, naive ukies are going to pay dearly for trusting biden/Obama/hellary to cover their six. Seriously, this ukraine thing may light off by Monday.

So, Mongo, are you expecting an uber doober emergency reaction order muy pronto?:shd:

As I face death, I am still stunned utterly at the amount of damage the biden/obama, hellary presidency has done in one year. It is mind boggling just what they have done.

To paraphrase Churchill. " Never have so few, screwed things up so much, so rapidly, and with such lethal impacts on so many."

It has been a wild ride here on Timebomb over the last two decades or so, but I think it is coming to the end here. SYOTOS amigos, my gut is telling me the NUKES are coming out. If Jesus Christ is only a curse word to you, I suggest you readjust your attitude immediately.

Putin is what Putin is, but the one thing Putin isn't is a man who will allow Russia to be the victim of the West, NOT ON HIS WATCH.

As the Roman Gladiators used to say: "We who are about to die Salute You."
So, Mongo, are you expecting an uber doober emergency reaction order muy pronto?:shd:
Well since you asked....
Russia will invade - west to Dnipro river south to Crimea and east towards Odessa. Primary purpose - secure water for Crimea (home of Black Sea fleet) and land bridge from Russia.

If NATO makes this overly difficult by supplying “aid” (and this is starting to look the case) then Russia will take all of Ukraine also coming south out of Belarus.

If NATO/US commits real force (armor, arty, conventional units) Russia will (Knowing they are now fighting NATO anyway) seriously threaten the Baltics and take Poland’s Suwalki Corridor.

If NATO reacts to that strongly (and I think they would) I believe Russia (and likely also China) will nuke us without warning.

SO - If I see the US moving large formations to Europe I am going all in preparing for nuclear war.

In my opinion the US must (and will) fall as a world power to allow the conditions for antichrist to rise and all that follows. We, as a nation, are done. This does not mean we, as individuals and tribes, are done.

Prepare for what is coming
COOHMP!
Get Tribe
 

Lone Eagle Woman

Veteran Member
Am beginning to think that Russia will not invade the Ukraine. But I could be wrong. It has been already a big propaganda win for Russia in seeing the west panic to such a degree. And more time that passes allows the west to arm Ukraine with all of the constant talk. This is also making Europe to shake off the cobwebs militarily a little do think. If Putin was going to invade, then should have already done so, before the west slowly waking up to what is happening.

But if indeed Russia does invade, do think it will get nasty, super nasty, really quick. One reason is that the Ukraine will fight. And since Russia would be seen as the aggressor on the world's stage, it could be actually detrimental then to Russia in the longterm. No one would stand with Russia. But already with Biden pooping in his pants so to speak and the west panicking to such a degree, it has been a big propaganda win for Russia. Putin and Lavrov are probably laughing their heads off in secret over freaking Biden and the west's ineptitude the last few days.

Now one last thought. One of the most Anti-Russia people I have ever met in my life was someone that was from Romania. The people from Eastern Europe who suffered from years of Russian abuse know all about how Russia truly is and despise Russia Bigtime. If indeed Russia invades, one can guarantee that Ukraine will fight. And very possibly other nations in the region could come and help with standing with Ukraine against Russia. Just my opinion.
 
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Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
In my opinion the US must (and will) fall as a world power to allow the conditions for antichrist to rise and all that follows. We, as a nation, are done. This does not mean we, as individuals and tribes, are done.

Wholly concur on your last two lines, big picture all around.


I think we’ve been living with the AC on earth since the first pope crowned the first king.

Time will tell where that lands us.
 

rob0126

Veteran Member
Am beginning to think that Russia will not invade the Ukraine. But I could be wrong. It has been already a big propaganda win for Russia in seeing the west panic to such a degree. And more time that passes allows the west to arm Ukraine with all of the constant talk. This is also making Europe to shake off the cobwebs militarily a little do think. If Putin was going to invade, then should have already done so, before the west slowly waking up to what is happening.

But if indeed Russia does invade, do think it will get nasty, super nasty, really quick. One reason is that the Ukraine will fight. And since Russia would be seen as the aggressor on the world's stage, it could be actually detrimental then to Russia in the longterm. No one would stand with Russia. But already with Biden pooping in his pants so to speak and the west panicking to such a degree, it has been a big propaganda win for Russia. Putin and Lavrov are probably laughing their heads off in secret over freaking Biden and the west's ineptitude the last few days.

Now one last thought. One of the most Anti-Russia people I have ever met in my life was someone that was from Romania. The people from Eastern Europe who suffered from Years of Russian abuse now all about how Russia truly is and despise Russia Bigtime. If indeed Russia invades, one can guarantee that Ukraine will fight. And very possibly other nations in the region could come and help with standing with Ukraine against Russia. Just my opinion.

Could be a tactic to flush out troops and equipment from mainland, to make an invasion/attack easier stateside.
 

CaryC

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Amir Tsarfati via Telegram

British Foreign Secretary Liz Terrace has announced a tripartite alliance with Poland and Ukraine against Russia.

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Alliances like this have a tendency to have repercussions.
That's a troubling announcement.

Russia could invade Ukraine and NATO stay out due to Ukraine NOT being a NATO country.

However Poland is, and could invoke Art. 5.
 

1-12020

Senior Member
What's the cost benefit analysis?

What does Russia get if no trigger pull? What was their goal?
Was the point to shore up the border?
Or to make Nato and the US look stupid with a bit of flexing?
I don't think Nato or the US would ever attack Russia 1st in so called normal times.
The west is woke weak.
I don't understand the huge investment of $$ if no war.

What does Russia get if they trigger pull?
More land, resources, and power in the end.
Weak US and Nato
Is it about bringing the old USSR back?

This seems like a huge waste of money and power if nothing happens.
I still don't understand... what do they get if nothing happens?

Perhaps knowingly or unknowingly this was all about getting huge amounts of military equipment closer to Israel?

Please forgive my lack of understand but none of this makes sense unless it has biblical (Ezekiel) reasons.
 

Seeker22

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Could be a tactic to flush out troops and equipment from mainland, to make an invasion/attack easier stateside.

This has been heavy on my mind. They will leave us stripped bare and defenseless here while the media assures us otherwise. The Bolsheviks here will aid their bretheren across the sea and we will have nowhere to run. Civil Defense? Not anymore.

Invasion will be easy as rolling in and setting up in the fanciest places to be found. There will be little to nothing to stop it. All the Wolverines out there, I have a question: Can you stop that with small arms? I didn't think so. They could threaten to nuke us if we didn't surrender and most of our so called leadership (remember the Bolsheviks over here?) would be happy to capitulate.

We the People are between a rock and a hard place.
 

Matt

Veteran Member
Invasion will be easy as rolling in and setting up in the fanciest places to be found. There will be little to nothing to stop it. All the Wolverines out there, I have a question: Can you stop that with small arms? I didn't think so.

We the People are between a rock and a hard place.

I would ask any would be "Wolverines" why on Earth they would fight for an openly Marxist government .... read the below very carefully and then look around you. This society hates the rural white males that make 90% of this society's fighting military... let the queers and coons take point on this one!


Karl Marx's "10 Planks" to seize power and destroy freedom:
  1. Abolition of Property in Land and Application of all Rents of Land to Public Purpose.​
  2. A Heavy Progressive or Graduated Income Tax.​
  3. Abolition of All Rights of Inheritance.​
  4. Confiscation of the Property of All Emigrants and Rebels.​
  5. Centralization of Credit in the Hands of the State, by Means of a National Bank with State Capital and an Exclusive Monopoly.​
  6. Centralization of the Means of Communication and Transport in the Hands of the State.​
  7. Extension of Factories and Instruments of Production Owned by the State, the Bringing Into Cultivation of Waste Lands, and the Improvement of the Soil Generally in Accordance with a Common Plan.​
  8. Equal Liability of All to Labor. Establishment of Industrial Armies, Especially for Agriculture.​
  9. Combination of Agriculture with Manufacturing Industries; Gradual Abolition of the Distinction Between Town and Country by a More Equable Distribution of the Population over the Country.​
  10. Free Education for All Children in Public Schools. Abolition of Children's Factory Labor in it's Present Form. Combination of Education with Industrial Production.​
 

Techwreck

Veteran Member
Mongo makes a lot of sense.
Putin and his generals are thinking several moves ahead, and probably already have plans in place for each possible outcome. Our guys? Who knows?
We are constantly trying to decide how to react, while they are steaming ahead with their plans.

A long protracted conflict in Ukraine doesn't seem to make sense for the Russians, and they know who is directing Ukraine since we overthrew the government there.

If this escalates into open conflict, I'm expecting them to strike hard, and not just in Ukraine.

Not so sure on coordination with China, as China seems to have managed to get their guy installed as president here, along with controlling what looks like a majority of our congress critters.

Attacking Taiwan is likely, especially with our forces focused elsewhere, but I still think they are wanting, and possibly directing us to fight it out with Russia, which would leave them on top.
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I would ask any would be "Wolverines" why on Earth they would fight for an openly Marxist government .... read the below very carefully and then look around you. This society hates the rural white males that make 90% of this society's fighting military... let the queers and coons take point on this one!


Karl Marx's "10 Planks" to seize power and destroy freedom:
  1. Abolition of Property in Land and Application of all Rents of Land to Public Purpose.​
  2. A Heavy Progressive or Graduated Income Tax.​
  3. Abolition of All Rights of Inheritance.​
  4. Confiscation of the Property of All Emigrants and Rebels.​
  5. Centralization of Credit in the Hands of the State, by Means of a National Bank with State Capital and an Exclusive Monopoly.​
  6. Centralization of the Means of Communication and Transport in the Hands of the State.​
  7. Extension of Factories and Instruments of Production Owned by the State, the Bringing Into Cultivation of Waste Lands, and the Improvement of the Soil Generally in Accordance with a Common Plan.​
  8. Equal Liability of All to Labor. Establishment of Industrial Armies, Especially for Agriculture.​
  9. Combination of Agriculture with Manufacturing Industries; Gradual Abolition of the Distinction Between Town and Country by a More Equable Distribution of the Population over the Country.​
  10. Free Education for All Children in Public Schools. Abolition of Children's Factory Labor in it's Present Form. Combination of Education with Industrial Production.​

Mongo has the right of it- look to your families. And be certain of whom you pledge your Troth (and your fighting skills).
 

Hi-D

Membership Revoked
Indeed! No, I believe we are possibly in line for a Russian nuclear first strike. Time for God to judge the immoral and proud nation that has turned from the Lord. Dimitru Duduman’s prophecy, you know? I’ve been literally reorganizing preps and preparing my fallout shelter.

I like Samuel Adam’s post because he reminds us to be weary of propaganda and psy ops. They can be used in many ways. We must always remain critical thinkers.


Then answvered cunning Dives: "Do not gold and hate abide
"At the heart of every Magic, yea, and senseless fear beside?
"With gold and fear and hate
"I have harnessed state to state,
"And by hate and fear and gold their hates are tied.

"For hate men seek a weapon, for fear they seek a shield --
"Keener blades and broader targes than their frantic neighbours wield --
"For gold I arm their hands,
"And for gold I buy their lands,
"And for gold I sell their enemies the yield.

Poetry Lovers' Page - Rudyard Kipling: The Peace Of Dives (poetryloverspage.com)
 

onetimer

Veteran Member

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Amir Tsarfati via Telegram

British Foreign Secretary Liz Terrace has announced a tripartite alliance with Poland and Ukraine against Russia.

*************
Alliances like this have a tendency to have repercussions.

The Brits are running this hard. I have to wonder if they know something the US either doesnt or they dont like the potential agreement the US is trying to forge with Putin.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
Russia toughens its posture amid Ukraine tensions
With tens of thousands of Russian troops positioned near Ukraine, the Kremlin has kept the U.S. and its allies guessing about its next moves in the worst security crisis to emerge between Moscow and the West since the Cold War
By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV Associated Press
22 January 2022, 08:10

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MOSCOW -- With tens of thousands of Russian troops positioned near Ukraine, the Kremlin has kept the U.S. and its allies guessing about its next moves in the worst security crisis to emerge between Moscow and the West since the Cold War.

Amid fears of an imminent attack on Ukraine, Russia has further upped the ante by announcing more military drills in the region. It also has refused to rule out the possibility of military deployments to the Caribbean, and President Vladimir Putin has reached out to leaders opposed to the West
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The military muscle-flexing reflects a bold attempt by the Kremlin to halt decades of NATO expansion after the end of the Cold War. In talks with the United States, Russia demands legally binding guarantees that the alliance will not embrace Ukraine and other former Soviet nations, or place weapons there. It also wants NATO to pull back its forces from countries in Central and Eastern Europe that joined the alliance since the 1990s.

Putin has described NATO membership for Ukraine and the others as well as the alliance's weapons deployments there as a red line for Moscow, warning that he would order unspecified “military-technical measures” if the demands aren't met.

Putin pointed to NATO drills with the Ukrainian military, increasingly frequent visits of the alliance warships in the Black Sea and the flights of U.S. bombers near Crimea to emphasize the urgency of Russia's security demands. He argued that by creating training centers in Ukraine, Western powers can establish a military foothold there even without its joining NATO.

"We have nowhere to retreat,” Putin said. "They have taken it to the point where we simply must tell them: ‘Stop!’”

Russia, which annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula in 2014, has denied it intends to attack its neighbor. Last year, however, Putin issued a stark warning that an attempt by Ukraine to reclaim control of the areas in the east controlled by Russia-backed separatists would have “grave consequences for Ukrainian statehood.”

While Ukrainian authorities denied planning such offensive, U.S. intelligence officials concluded that Russia had already deployed operatives to carry out acts of sabotage in the rebel east and blame them on Ukraine in a “false-flag operation” to create a pretext for possible invasion. Russia has rejected the claim as “total disinformation.”

Putin has repeatedly asserted that Russians and Ukrainians are “one people,” and says large chunks of Ukrainian territory are historic parts of Russia — arbitrarily granted to Ukraine by Communist leaders during Soviet times.

Over 14,000 people have been killed in nearly eight years of fighting in Ukraine's industrial heartland called the Donbas, where the Moscow-supported insurgency erupted shortly after the annexation of Crimea. A 2015 peace deal brokered by France and Germany helped end large-scale battles, but a political settlement has stalled, and frequent skirmishes have continued along the tense line of contact.

In early 2021, a spike in cease-fire violations in the east and a Russian troop concentration near Ukraine ignited the invasion fears, but tensions abated when Moscow pulled back the bulk of its forces after maneuvers in April.

The military buildup near Ukraine resumed in the fall, with Ukrainian and Western officials warning that the increasing troop concentration could herald a multipronged Russian attack.

Putin noted with satisfaction that Russia has caused a “certain stress” in the West. “It’s necessary to keep them in that condition for as long as possible," he said in November, ordering his diplomats to push for binding guarantees against NATO expansion.

While the U.S. and its allies rejected the Russian demands for a halt to NATO expansion, some observers note that Moscow's insistence on a written reply may reflect an intention to use it as an argument for a possible escalation.

“At this stage, the parties don't intend to compromise and want to shift responsibility for a potential conflict,” said Kirill Rogov, a Moscow-based independent analyst.

Adding to an estimated 100,000 troops deployed near Ukraine, Russia also has moved more troops from Siberia and the Far East for joint drills with its ally Belarus, which also borders Ukraine. In those exercises, Russian military units have moved to areas near Belarus’ southern border, which is about 75 kilometers (47 miles) from Kyiv.

Earlier this week, the Russian Defense Ministry also announced a series of naval maneuvers in the Black Sea and more distant areas such as the Mediterranean, northeastern Atlantic and the Pacific. The exercises that will start this month and last through February would involve over 140 ships, dozens of aircraft and more than 10,000 personnel.

Amid the tensions, Putin also worked to strengthen alliances with the countries opposed to the West. He has hosted Iran's hard-line president for talks on expanding cooperation and is set to travel to the opening of the Winter Olympics in Beijing where he will hold talks with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

In recent days, Putin also spoke by phone with the leaders of Nicaragua and Venezuela, and a Russian government plane was recently seen cruising between Cuba and Venezuela in a possible harbinger of the next Kremlin moves.

After the U.S. and its allies rejected Russia's demands for a halt to NATO expansion, Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov kept the door open for the deployment of military assets to Cuba and Venezuela.

While voicing concern that NATO could potentially use Ukrainian territory for the deployment of missiles capable of reaching Moscow in just five minutes, Putin has warned that Russian warships armed with the latest Zircon hypersonic cruise missile would give Russia a similar capability if deployed in neutral waters.

Fyodor Lukyanov, a leading Russian foreign policy expert, observed that with Russia and the West taking intransigent stands in the talks, an escalation appears inevitable.

“Tensions will be high, including demonstrations of force not necessarily near or in Ukraine,” Lukyanov wrote in a commentary. “Real talks with some room for maneuvering and a broader agenda would ideally begin only after the next round of escalation in order to ease tensions.”

Russia toughens its posture amid Ukraine tensions - ABC News (go.com)
 
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