CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It must have been incubating there for some time and covering many people. This is just the first fatalities leaking out.


I wonder whether the various countries will begin to look for the nCoV and find it, or just ignore and hope for the best.



A couple weeks ago, my whole family got really sick--very unusual for us. My two year old was tested and we were told she had Influenza A, but I tested negative for flu, and they never told me what I had. I got a really high fever and a terrible chest cough that refused to go away. There was an irritating wet sound in my lungs when I would breathe in while lying down. Still don't know what I had, but it really took it out of me, and we were worried about the fever because I am pregnant. The doctor told me that, despite testing negative for flu, they were going to write me a perscription for tamiflu. I'm guessing they didn't know what I had, and just wanted to look like they were doing something. :rolleyes: The illness originated from my husband's firefighter training class; everyone got it, and several even ended up in the hospital.


I wonder if they can test for the antibodies of the nCoV after the fact?

Not that they will, of course. But just wondering.

Glad you made it through! Hopefully those hospitalized did too?
 

cyberiot

Rimtas žmogus
I agree, but instead of buying individual items, I buy by the bags, instead. I shop at Sam's, and all of their fresh produce and fruits are already bagged or sealed inside plastic containers. I just feel safer doing it that way. Even buying it by the bags and containers, I always rinse, before eating. I was buying everything a Walmart, where people would go along, picking up everything to check it out. Even have seen women coughing or sneezing on items, before placing them back on the shelves or bins! Made me want to gag, so I stopped buying fresh produce there.

Gaaah!! :msk:

We have a colander and a pump dispenser of Dr. Bronner's soap (1:10 dilution) by the kitchen sink, and almost EVERYTHING gets soaped and rinsed. Unsoapables like leafy greens and mushrooms are all packaged. Citrus grows on trees in the back yard, so bird poop is the biggest threat.

We aren't perfect, but we're trying. Wonder if pressure cooking in the InstantPot is helpful?
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Trump is going to impale himself on that type of "mission accomplished" drivel speak.

Nope, that was politics and diplomacy. When the herd wakes up, Trump will be free to say what he's been thinking. Right now they don't want a Presidential call-to-arms. The herd would shit itself. They want to dribble out news and let the herd wake up as gently as can be managed in the short time we have.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
I will tell you my office depot Lenevo laptop buy experience. First, I got thr tail end of the President's Day sale at $399, and not $450. Next, I wanted to add 8MB memory, from 8mb to 16. I go back two hours later and put down $399 cash, only to find out he now has only two left, one display, and one in the local warehouse, and the $49 he quoted me was now $131, and would be done only by Lenevo, not office Depot. So, Lenevo is a CHINESE COMPUTER COMPANY WITH HQ IN BEIJING, CHINA. And so it begins China won't sell me memory chips IT CAN'T MAKE ANYMORE. KABOOM.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Anyone following the nCoV dashboard at:


If so, what do you think about the leveling off recently in the number of confirmed cases? Social distancing (at the risk of a beating) beginning to work? Pure number manipulation? Some of both?

Or utter fantasy?
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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This is as of two days ago.


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Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I will tell you my office depot Lenevo laptop buy experience. First, I got thr tail end of the President's Day sale at $399, and not $450. Next, I wanted to add 8MB memory, from 8mb to 16. I go back two hours later and put down $399 cash, only to find out he now has only two left, one display, and one in the local warehouse, and the $49 he quoted me was now $131, and would be done only by Lenevo, not office Depot. So, Lenevo is a CHINESE COMPUTER COMPANY WITH HQ IN BEIJING, CHINA. And so it begins China won't sell me memory chips IT CAN'T MAKE ANYMORE. KABOOM.


I'm trying to source some memory upgrades for a laptop and a older tower computer right now, and it's starting to look thin... Better get this done today I think.

Maybe I should throw a SSD in the cart, too...
 

momengineer

Senior Member
Anyone following the nCoV dashboard at:


If so, what do you think about the leveling off recently in the number of confirmed cases? Social distancing (at the risk of a beating) beginning to work? Pure number manipulation? Some of both?

Or utter fantasy?
China changed the method by which they are counting cases again. First it was only by lab confirmation then it went to CT imaging (large spike in the curve then) and now they stated going back to the lab confirmed only.

The numbers are complete garbage imho
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
For the math challenged, that is a price increase from $49 to$131, or a staggering 100%, plus $33, which is 60 plus percent. I also think office depot was blindsided and it wasn't a bait and switch, but just China imposing a 160 % price increase on the memory chips it can't make anymore. I will let you all ponder what a 160 percent price increase on computer chips will do. AND THE CHINESE MOVED FAST.
BW, one half of the USA despises Trump right now, so yeah he will get trashed for sucking up to XI.
 

Shooter

Veteran Member

JMG91

Veteran Member
Has anyone heard any updates about the cases in Seattle? Those were some of the original cases we had in the US, and I noticed that the map mzkitty posted didn't even list them. I've been keeping an excel spreadsheet of the confirmed cases, and Seattle doesn't even show up on that map.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Anyone following the nCoV dashboard at:


If so, what do you think about the leveling off recently in the number of confirmed cases? Social distancing (at the risk of a beating) beginning to work? Pure number manipulation? Some of both?

Or utter fantasy?

IMO social distancing will reduce the R0 by about 1/2. last estimates i saw it had reduced it in china to just over 3. it is still spreading and no simple containment/quarantine strategy will reduce that. best possible outcome is that even though we will all eventually get it, that we slow the stream of serious/critical cases to what the healthcare system can manage.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
Has anyone heard any updates about the cases in Seattle? Those were some of the original cases we had in the US, and I noticed that the map mzkitty posted didn't even list them. I've been keeping an excel spreadsheet of the confirmed cases, and Seattle doesn't even show up on that map.
Washington had well over 700 folks under "observation" as of last night. To me that says, "We're just waiting for you to go symptomatic"... The "official" method of dealing with this bug is Clown Shoes all around. Between "Observation" and then "Self-quarantine", the levels of idiocy are mind boggling; it's like the Powers That Be WANT the bug to spread.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Has anyone heard any updates about the cases in Seattle? Those were some of the original cases we had in the US, and I noticed that the map mzkitty posted didn't even list them. I've been keeping an excel spreadsheet of the confirmed cases, and Seattle doesn't even show up on that map.

You can always go to Google. I just typed: News coronavirus Seattle, and this came up. You have to put NEWS first when you're searching:

 

Tarryn

Senior Member
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1230539792946999296


This says one jailer of Jining Prison in #Shandong province infected by his son, then he infected the entire prison. The notice is asking people who have been to Luxin Prison, Rencheng Prison and Liyan Electricity Factory to quarantine themselves. #COVID2019 #Coronavirus
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轉:【突发!被掩盖的疫情之一:济宁监狱 #疫情 大爆发,目前被消音!】 济宁监狱因一狱卒的儿子从新冠肺炎疫区回来,未报,传染狱卒。 狱卒传染了整个监狱,济宁监狱方及上面下令解散 相关单位所有微信群。 谁说监狱安全? 一个感染,之后团灭。 做不到单一隔离,还不能去住院!


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shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Gold at 7 yr high, some smart money buying, no doubt,
as public still clueless that 'sassy time' almost upon us.

You might not buy silver/gold, but maybe should explore
reducing % of hard earned wealth parked solely & only
in paper investments, like stocks, bonds, 401k's, mutual
funds, cash mostly all parked in bank, etc.

I'm also recommending if you have any stuff that does
not make you money, or save you money on essentials,
or is prepper goods, you might want to garage sale get
rid of while you can still get good $'s for it before every
body is trying to do the same thing later in a wild panic
and then nothing is selling for much, if even at all.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
 

Haybails

When In Doubt, Throttle Out!
I will tell you my office depot Lenevo laptop buy experience. First, I got thr tail end of the President's Day sale at $399, and not $450. Next, I wanted to add 8MB memory, from 8mb to 16. I go back two hours later and put down $399 cash, only to find out he now has only two left, one display, and one in the local warehouse, and the $49 he quoted me was now $131, and would be done only by Lenevo, not office Depot. So, Lenevo is a CHINESE COMPUTER COMPANY WITH HQ IN BEIJING, CHINA. And so it begins China won't sell me memory chips IT CAN'T MAKE ANYMORE. KABOOM.

Just had a meeting with my CIO this morning - I've been preaching this topic since day 1; finally this morning the comment is made, "I'm wondering if this will affect our laptop cycle?" (We cycle laptops in a large environment on a yearly basis) I responded, "it will". Response to my response, "let's keep an eye on this".

Nobody (and I mean NOBODY) directs attention until it personally affects them.

HB
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
Nope, that was politics and diplomacy. When the herd wakes up, Trump will be free to say what he's been thinking. Right now they don't want a Presidential call-to-arms. The herd would shit itself. They want to dribble out news and let the herd wake up as gently as can be managed in the short time we have.
I'm not thinking that way. Do you realize how pissed the Trump electorate will be in that scenario when they crammed themselves into all his yuge campaign rallys? I think he's just running in front of this virus with CCP Hopium counting on the CDC to figure out something or the virus hits the firewall of the 1st world health care.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
What's that guy's name??? Ho Lee Crap?
 
What's that guy's name??? Ho Lee Crap?
SOUTH KOREA CORONAVIRUS CRISIS: Mass Infections feared at 2 hospitals, 4 Factories and Naval Base! Infected Cases Now: 107 Death 1, Suspected Cases 8,120

Source : Thailand Medical News Feb 20, 2020 3 hours ago

South Korea is ‘heavily competing’ with Japan to seize the title of the second epicenter for the coronavirus outside China as new cases are again detected in the few hours with another 3 more infected cases confirmed at Daegu, bring the total number of coronavirus infected cases to now 107.

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However a breaking report now claims that 2 hospitals could be sites for mass infections.

At one hospital, the Deanam hospital Cheongdo, North Gyeongsang Province, 15 patients were found to have been infected with the coronavirus in the 420 bed hospital that has a high number of outpatient clinics. The first coronavirus death was also reported at the same hospital with staff now claiming that some its long term patients had already been having symptoms for as long as three weeks ago.

The dead patient was in his 60s and had been under treatment at Cheongdo Daenam Hospital for 20 years. He died the previous day, according to health officials. The patient suffered pneumonia-like illness before death and was confirmed to have been infected with coronavirus through a posthumous test.

KCDC Director Jung Eun-kyeong said at a news briefing, “We ask anyone who has had any contact with the hospital to self-isolate.”

KCDC health officials worry of a possible mass coronavirus infection there, since patients infected with COVID-19 are those who have been hospitalized there for a long time.

To make matter worst, another hospital, the Dongguk University Gyeongju Hospital in Gyeongju, near Cheongdo with more than 800 beds has discovered two male older patients also with the confirmed infected with the coronavirus.

They were hospitalized in a locked psychiatric ward of the hospital and had not left the hospital for past month, raising question on how the two became contracted, and further concern as it could affect more inside the closed unit of the hospital.

The KCDC said contact tracing and further investigation is underway, to determine how the infection was spread.

To further aggravate the situation a navy sailor on the southern island of Jeju was confirmed on Thursday to have contracted the new coronavirus in the first confirmed case among service personnel in South Korea, government officials said.

The male in his 20s was one of the country's 107 patients of COVID-19, according to the officials.

The naval soldier was known to have visited his hometown, Daegu, 300 kilometers southeast of Seoul, about 3 weeks ago, where dozens of confirmed cases have been reported since Wednesday.

The naval base he is stationed at, has close to 5,200 personnel and he had been at the base for more than 2 weeks prior to developing symptoms.

Meanwhile 4 factories have been identified as having had staff with confirmed coronavirus infections.

One factory was identified as SK SK hynix Inc., the world's No. 2 memory chipmaker It has close to 3,000 workers in its its Incheon campus, about 70 kilometers south of Seoul. 800 of its workers have been made to go into self-quarantine over new coronavirus asked after one of it workers develop severe symptoms and was hospitalized.

On an another note, University campuses in South Korea have the potential to become hotbeds for the coronavirus when nearly 70,000 Chinese students return for the spring semester, according to medical experts and university officials.

The educational officials said their campuses cannot be properly quarantined or monitored as the schools are not equipped to manage possible infectious outbreaks, stressing that any infected Chinese nationals could easily give the virus to other students when they come into close contact with one another.

Medical experts said stopping the inflow of possible coronavirus carriers to the universities was the most effective way to contain the virus.

Korean Medical Association (KMA) President Dr Choi Dae-zip told Thailand Medical News ,"As long as the number of deaths and confirmed cases keeps rapidly rising in China, the government should block people from the mainland including university students who have yet to come to South Korea."

Dr Choi said the country already faces the risk of community infections as many of the newly confirmed cases are presumed to be from domestic transmission. In this situation, stopping the inflow of carriers from abroad is ultimately the most effective approach to control the further spread of the coronavirus . With this week's surge in the number of infected people, the Ministry of Health and Welfare announced that the coronavirus has begun spreading locally, but with a limited scope.

Dr Choi said, "We understand China is a major trading partner, and the students' right to be educated is also important. There is a chance to hurt our economy and the relations with educational institutions between the two countries, but we, as doctors, believe nothing is more important than public safety."

Many Korean infectious disease experts also said restrictions on travelers from China should be implemented, unless stricter monitoring is introduced.

Prof. Dr Kim Woo-ju of South Korea University Guro Hospital said, "We can ask Chinese students to submit their medical certificate from the immigration procedure, if the government feels pressure to implement the entry ban immediately,"

Dr Kim said that stopping their inflow was the priority to contain the coronavirus, but if the government can't do so for some reasons, then they should closely monitor the health of Chinese students in order to prevent campuses from becoming hotbeds for the virus. University officials expressed their difficulties in doing this as the schools are not equipped with effective methods of monitoring or controlling possible infections.

South Korean epidemiology experts are warning that the during the next few weeks , a similar situation to what happened in Wuhan is expected to be replicated to a certain degree in Daegu.


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raven

TB Fanatic
I'm not thinking that way. Do you realize how pissed the Trump electorate will be in that scenario when they crammed themselves into all his yuge campaign rallys? I think he's just running in front of this virus with CCP Hopium counting on the CDC to figure out something or the virus hits the firewall of the 1st world health care.
yea, and it was really smart that the Democrats put together such a lackluster campaign that very few people will attend their campaign rallys. Sneaky ****ing commies.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Be interesting to see what protocols they have devised should the Chinese Plague suddenly appear on their vessel. The word out for that one in Japan harbor is that the crew had no clue what to do or not do and that spread the contagion as well as any other source.
Heck I was thinking they were going to wait until it got out of control and then sink the ship..... I may have watched a movie or two too many...
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Nope, that was politics and diplomacy. When the herd wakes up, Trump will be free to say what he's been thinking. Right now they don't want a Presidential call-to-arms. The herd would shit itself. They want to dribble out news and let the herd wake up as gently as can be managed in the short time we have.
Yep they would shoot the messenger at this point.... better to wait a bit...
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Anyone following the nCoV dashboard at:


If so, what do you think about the leveling off recently in the number of confirmed cases? Social distancing (at the risk of a beating) beginning to work? Pure number manipulation? Some of both?

Or utter fantasy?
The people counting have gotten sick or died off?
 

Tarryn

Senior Member
Whopping rise in infection at Beijing hospital puts capital on alert - Global Times

Whopping rise in infection at Beijing hospital puts capital on alert
By Liu Caiyu and Wan Lin Source:Global Times Published: 2020/2/20 20:13:40

Deliveryman passes a package to a resident through locked gate in Beijing on February 5. Photo: Li Hao/GT

A central Beijing hospital reported 36 novel coronavirus cases as of Thursday, a sharp increase from nine cases from two weeks earlier, leading many to fear a potential explosion of infection numbers in the capital.

Among the infected at Fuxing Hospital in Xicheng district were eight medical workers, nine cleaning staff and 19 patients along with their families, the Beijing government's leading group for COVID-19 prevention and control work said at a press conference on Thursday.

"Considering 36 confirmed cases were found in Fuxing Hospital, it is more about one case of multiple infections rather than an epidemic of the whole area," Wang Guangfa, director of the department of respiratory and critical care medicine at Peking University First Hospital, told the Global Times on Thursday.

Another major hospital, Peking University People's Hospital, on Thursday for the first time reported confirmed cases of infection. Three patients at the hospital were confirmed to have the novel coronavirus on February 17 and were sent to designated medical institutions for treatment, authorities at the press conference said.

A total of 164 people including medical staff at Peo-ple's Hospital who have had close contact with the patients have been put under close medical observation. The hospital also conducted coronavirus tests on 251 personnel and nine environments, and the results were all negative. The hospital has sterilized places that the patients may have touched, and hemodialysis rooms were sterilized when each shift was completed.

The three patients are from one family. Tian, a patient in the geriatrics department, had been hospitalized for six months for a kidney illness and had to undergo hemodialysis regularly. After her daughter and son-in-law came back from Xinjiang, they visited Tian separately. The couple became infected on February 17.

Among the 668 people who had close contact with infected patients in Fuxing Hospital, 582 have been removed from medical observation as of Thursday, and the building where the infections occurred has also had its blockade lifted.

The infection cases at the two hospitals pushed the confirmed cases in the central Xicheng district to 53, ranking third among all districts. As of Wednesday night, Beijing had confirmed 395 cases of novel coronavirus infection, with four deaths. In total, 153 cases have been discharged from hospitals. A total of 2,091 people are listed as having had close contact with infected patients.

According to a table which compares the "infection density" of cities or areas — the number of confirmed cases per square kilometer —Xicheng district ranks second, with an infection density just lower than the epicenter Wuhan.

Xicheng district lies at the center of Beijing and had a permanent resident population of about 1.14 million by the end of 2019. Beijing has a permanent resident population of over 20 million.

The municipal government's leading group said that all hospitals in Beijing should accelerate hospitalization of patients and try their best to diagnose suspected cases to treat the infected patients at the earliest time.

The infections are scattered around 15 of Beijing's 16 districts, with Pinggu district so far unaffected.

Though it may look serious, Wang believes the so-called infection density does not describe the whole picture about the epidemic in Xicheng district.

More efforts should be made to further search for and isolate the close contacts so as to stop the epidemic from further expanding, Wang warned. "We should be vigilant against the clusters of infections happening in hospitals, as medical workers fighting at the frontline and patients are vulnerable to any additional disease."

To hold back the virus, Beijing enacted a law recently that said all people coming to the capital must be quarantined for 14 days. Violators will be punished by law. Authorities fear an influx of migrant workers returning to Beijing could pose potential dangers of wider infection for the city.
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
SOUTH KOREA CORONAVIRUS CRISIS: Mass Infections feared at 2 hospitals, 4 Factories and Naval Base! Infected Cases Now: 107 Death 1, Suspected Cases 8,120

Source : Thailand Medical News Feb 20, 2020 3 hours ago

South Korea is ‘heavily competing’ with Japan to seize the title of the second epicenter for the coronavirus outside China as new cases are again detected in the few hours with another 3 more infected cases confirmed at Daegu, bring the total number of coronavirus infected cases to now 107.

Korea-Coronavirus.jpg


However a breaking report now claims that 2 hospitals could be sites for mass infections.

At one hospital, the Deanam hospital Cheongdo, North Gyeongsang Province, 15 patients were found to have been infected with the coronavirus in the 420 bed hospital that has a high number of outpatient clinics. The first coronavirus death was also reported at the same hospital with staff now claiming that some its long term patients had already been having symptoms for as long as three weeks ago.

The dead patient was in his 60s and had been under treatment at Cheongdo Daenam Hospital for 20 years. He died the previous day, according to health officials. The patient suffered pneumonia-like illness before death and was confirmed to have been infected with coronavirus through a posthumous test.

KCDC Director Jung Eun-kyeong said at a news briefing, “We ask anyone who has had any contact with the hospital to self-isolate.”

KCDC health officials worry of a possible mass coronavirus infection there, since patients infected with COVID-19 are those who have been hospitalized there for a long time.

To make matter worst, another hospital, the Dongguk University Gyeongju Hospital in Gyeongju, near Cheongdo with more than 800 beds has discovered two male older patients also with the confirmed infected with the coronavirus.

They were hospitalized in a locked psychiatric ward of the hospital and had not left the hospital for past month, raising question on how the two became contracted, and further concern as it could affect more inside the closed unit of the hospital.

The KCDC said contact tracing and further investigation is underway, to determine how the infection was spread.

To further aggravate the situation a navy sailor on the southern island of Jeju was confirmed on Thursday to have contracted the new coronavirus in the first confirmed case among service personnel in South Korea, government officials said.

The male in his 20s was one of the country's 107 patients of COVID-19, according to the officials.

The naval soldier was known to have visited his hometown, Daegu, 300 kilometers southeast of Seoul, about 3 weeks ago, where dozens of confirmed cases have been reported since Wednesday.

The naval base he is stationed at, has close to 5,200 personnel and he had been at the base for more than 2 weeks prior to developing symptoms.

Meanwhile 4 factories have been identified as having had staff with confirmed coronavirus infections.

One factory was identified as SK SK hynix Inc., the world's No. 2 memory chipmaker It has close to 3,000 workers in its its Incheon campus, about 70 kilometers south of Seoul. 800 of its workers have been made to go into self-quarantine over new coronavirus asked after one of it workers develop severe symptoms and was hospitalized.

On an another note, University campuses in South Korea have the potential to become hotbeds for the coronavirus when nearly 70,000 Chinese students return for the spring semester, according to medical experts and university officials.

The educational officials said their campuses cannot be properly quarantined or monitored as the schools are not equipped to manage possible infectious outbreaks, stressing that any infected Chinese nationals could easily give the virus to other students when they come into close contact with one another.

Medical experts said stopping the inflow of possible coronavirus carriers to the universities was the most effective way to contain the virus.

Korean Medical Association (KMA) President Dr Choi Dae-zip told Thailand Medical News ,"As long as the number of deaths and confirmed cases keeps rapidly rising in China, the government should block people from the mainland including university students who have yet to come to South Korea."

Dr Choi said the country already faces the risk of community infections as many of the newly confirmed cases are presumed to be from domestic transmission. In this situation, stopping the inflow of carriers from abroad is ultimately the most effective approach to control the further spread of the coronavirus . With this week's surge in the number of infected people, the Ministry of Health and Welfare announced that the coronavirus has begun spreading locally, but with a limited scope.

Dr Choi said, "We understand China is a major trading partner, and the students' right to be educated is also important. There is a chance to hurt our economy and the relations with educational institutions between the two countries, but we, as doctors, believe nothing is more important than public safety."

Many Korean infectious disease experts also said restrictions on travelers from China should be implemented, unless stricter monitoring is introduced.

Prof. Dr Kim Woo-ju of South Korea University Guro Hospital said, "We can ask Chinese students to submit their medical certificate from the immigration procedure, if the government feels pressure to implement the entry ban immediately,"

Dr Kim said that stopping their inflow was the priority to contain the coronavirus, but if the government can't do so for some reasons, then they should closely monitor the health of Chinese students in order to prevent campuses from becoming hotbeds for the virus. University officials expressed their difficulties in doing this as the schools are not equipped with effective methods of monitoring or controlling possible infections.

South Korean epidemiology experts are warning that the during the next few weeks , a similar situation to what happened in Wuhan is expected to be replicated to a certain degree in Daegu.


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Godzilla woke up and he's mad and hungry.
 
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