VIDEO You Need 2 Years of Food – Martin Armstrong

[CaryC]

Problem with the soups and stews is limited shelf life especially those that have tomato products in them. I haven’t made spaghetti in years (all starch) but I have a lot of sauce packs and pasta. I have a tote full of the small cans of tomato paste and they last about three years before you have to use them in something else or throw them out.

Yeah I was going to say the same thing. A basic 2 year shelf life. (so long as the can is not bulged can still use after the date)

Which is one of the items a person who is starting on, can do easily enough. Pantry starter and rotate. When you have enough money saved then buy the freeze dried.

And try the freeze dried before you buy/spend that kind of money. Walmart has individual packets in the camping section, made by Mountain House, and not all freeze dried packages/cans by different manufactures are equal either. Mountain House breakfast is good, and can be eaten for any meal.

You can also check on deals:

Mountain House
Anderson Farms
Honeyville
Keystone Meats

besides those already mentioned.

ETA: Sorry it's Augason Farms, not Anderson.

 

[Slydersan]

Another problem that most people never want to think about is dogs and cats.
During hard times people won't be able to feed their pets and many will just release their pets to fend for themselves. Obviously most of these released pets will die gruesome deaths but some will survive. The ones that survive will be eating the same things that people could be eating. Livestock of all kinds, wild game birds and all other wild critters.
In the end times every feral cat or dog or other pet (snake, lizard, etc) should be killed when sighted. In many cases these feral pets will fall prey to traps and snares set by many people trying to stay alive.

Very few people want to hear it, but you can always eat the dogs and cats. Fun fact: in Lewis and Clarks own journals they state over and over how when trading with Indian tribes they would trade for dogs...to eat... It was their preferred meat. Because unlike rabbit/deer/etc. it had fat on it. Which their bodies were craving.

 

[Profit of Doom]

There’s some good stuff here.

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[Hfcomms]

Yeah I was going to say the same thing. A basic 2 year shelf life. (so long as the can is not bulged can still use after the date)

Which is one of the items a person who is starting on, can do easily enough. Pantry starter and rotate. When you have enough money saved then buy the freeze dried.

And try the freeze dried before you buy/spend that kind of money. Walmart has individual packets in the camping section, made by Mountain House, and not all freeze dried packages/cans by different manufactures are equal either. Mountain House breakfast is good, and can be eaten for any meal.

You can also check on deals:

Mountain House
Anderson Farms
Honeyville
Keystone Meats

besides those already mentioned.

Speaking of deals I haven’t bought any freeze dried for about six months and this thread got me to check Mountain House prices yesterday. Holy cow!! Getting much more expensive and even though I usually don’t look at price much I’m not buying more unless there is a sale going on.

 

[CaryC]

Speaking of deals I haven’t bought any freeze dried for about six months and this thread got me to check Mountain House prices yesterday. Holy cow!! Getting much more expensive and even though I usually don’t look at price much I’m not buying more unless there is a sale going on.

Sb's looking at Mountain House right now on her computer. LOL

 

[nomifyle]

Thrive life is a good long term food storage company. I bought from them a few years back, they have individual ingredients, but they have lately gotten into the meal thing too.

 

[hd5574]

Over a bed of rice

this stuff is about 3 bucks a can.

We add stuff...onions for one thing...

 

[SouthernBreeze]

Over a bed of rice

this stuff is about 3 bucks a can.

A can of chili with beans of your choice works great over rice, too.

 

[hd5574]

Try the number 10 cans of military surplus... 25 yr shelf life..
Things like FD..chicken patties, breasts, thighs, and tenders...fish fillets, sirloin steaks.beef patties..shrimp, sausage, stew beef chunk's,..pork chops....lots of variety...lots of protein..
Real hunks of meat you can get your teeth in.
Not just little pieces of meat like mountain house

 

[SouthernBreeze]

Try the number 10 cans of military surplus... 25 yr shelf life..
Things like FD..chicken patties, breasts, thighs, and tenders...fish fillets, sirloin steaks.beef patties..shrimp, sausage, stew beef chunk's,..pork chops....lots of variety...lots of protein..
Real hunks of meat you can get your teeth in.
Not just little pieces of meat like mountain house

Do you have a link? I would like to look and see what they have, before I press the send button for my order of Mountain House.

 

[Blacknarwhal]

Over a bed of rice

this stuff is about 3 bucks a can.

Doesn't quite keep like the freeze dried stuff; you might have to buy that twice, maybe three times in a lifetime, but once you've got it, it's in place.

 

[hd5574]

MRE depot..also the one that sells on here.. Safe Castle ...I think some sell on eBay... different things come and go...not cheap but real pieces of FD meat... over a number of years have found a lot of varieties...but it is surplus so things are in and out of stock...

 

[WalknTrot]

Do you have a link? I would like to look and see what they have, before I press the send button for my order of Mountain House.

Safecastle has freeze dried mil surplus meat quite often. I haven't looked lately.

My "thing" with those is, yeah...its full sized chops or whatever, but not as much actual meat fits in a can because they are chunks and odd shaped.

 

[SouthernBreeze]

MRE depot..also the one that sells on here.. Safe Castle ...I think some sell on eBay... different things come and go...not cheap but real pieces of FD meat... over a number of years have found a lot of varieties...but it is surplus so things are in and out of stock...

Thanks. I found a good link. Just typed in Military Surplus Canned Foods on Google. Lots of variety to choose from. A lot was out of stock, too. Lots of preppers buying it up, I guess.

 

[nomifyle]

We add stuff...onions for one thing...

I've done that too. I have a couple of cases of dehydrated onions from the Mormans and several containers of cut green onions from Thrive. The green onion smell amazing. When I open a can I vacuum seal most of the contents in mason jars and keep the green onions in the dark.

 

[Border Collie Dad]

What is the difference between freeze dried and dehydrated?
I have a little dehydrator that I haven't used in years but thios talk makes me think about it.
Was trying to check out freeze dryers on Amazon and the only thing I saw was $5000!!!

 

[WalknTrot]

What is the difference between freeze dried and dehydrated?
I have a little dehydrator that I haven't used in years but thios talk makes me think about it.
Was trying to check out freeze dryers on Amazon and the only thing I saw was $5000!!!

Freeze dried usually gives a nicer reconstituted product than dehydration and you can freeze dry meat and have it be shelf-stable, safe and edible when vacuum sealed. The kicker is how you store either one.

I prefer to buy both types (FD and dehydrated) sealed in #10 cans, because the shelf life is usually 25 years, and the container is well protected from damage and vermin. So, I hold onto my $$$ until I run across a good deal, and build up the stash s-l-o-w-l-y. Most people who freeze dry at home do a vac-seal bag sort of thing with their product, but it isn't guaranteed for 25 years, and unless kept in another, hardened container, the packaging is highly subject to leaks/damage and bugs/rodents.

 

[summerthyme]

What is the difference between freeze dried and dehydrated?
I have a little dehydrator that I haven't used in years but thios talk makes me think about it.
Was trying to check out freeze dryers on Amazon and the only thing I saw was $5000!!!

Believe me, there is NO comparison in quality between freeze dried and dehydrated! The best thing is to buy a small package of freeze dried fruit, and another of the same fruit, but "dried"...

Flavor, color and texture are all affected from dehydration... freeze drying gives *nearly* fresh qualities.

Summerthyme

 

[hd5574]

Thanks. I found a good link. Just typed in Military Surplus Canned Foods on Google. Lots of variety to choose from. A lot was out of stock, too. Lots of preppers buying it up, I guess.

It is always that way ....things are in stock and then gone...just keep checking back....and when they come back in stock grab the things us want...maybe move some cases to the kitchen then you will have room for these things as you can find them..I have a good variety...but it has been a couple here and three there...it takes time but for us it is worth it..
To have real chicken breast and thighs and such ..we think that things will be grim for a long time..even though the FD things are expensive now...I imagine... the grocery store prices will be a shock in a few years....might even be close to the current FD prices before too long

 

[Border Collie Dad]

Believe me, there is NO comparison in quality between freeze dried and dehydrated! The best thing is to buy a small package of freeze dried fruit, and another of the same fruit, but "dried"...

Flavor, color and texture are all affected from dehydration... freeze drying gives *nearly* fresh qualities.

Summerthyme

But those freeze driers are a lot of money!!!
The smallest Harvest Right is over $2000.

Little bit out of my price range.

 

[SouthernBreeze]

It is always that way ....things are in stock and then gone...just keep checking back....and when they come back in stock grab the things us want...maybe move some cases to the kitchen then you will have room for these things as you can find them..I have a good variety...but it has been a couple here and three there...it takes time but for us it is worth it..
To have real chicken breast and thighs and such ..we think that things will be grim for a long time..even though the FD things are expensive now...I imagine... the grocery store prices will be a shock in a few years....might even be close to the current FD prices before too long

I was thinking a case of the ground beef patties and the pork chops. I'm choking on the price right now, though. Maybe just a couple cans of each to start with.

 

[summerthyme]

But those freeze driers are a lot of money!!!
The smallest Harvest Right is over $2000.

Little bit out of my price range.

I know. But you can't beat them for putting food up that will store for decades (proper packaging and conditions, of course) and still taste good.

Summerthyme

 

[pauldingbabe]

No one seems to have mentioned Swiss Army knives and similar. Actually easier to work with than a P-38 having more leverage. The old Boy Scout knives and similar are even beefier and more durable.

You will want a medium sized model; the small ones don't have can openers on them. More blades does not mean better either, so stay away from the Champion and other 381 blade models. Put it on a lanyard and you will always have it with you.

RR

I read an article yesterday about Swiss Army knives. Seems they make a model now that has no knives in the design.

Ain't that some BS?

 

[hd5574]

I was thinking a case of the ground beef patties and the pork chops. I'm choking on the price right now, though. Maybe just a couple cans of each to start with.

I have added them from time to time over several years .. Safe Castle has a sale right now on a bunch of them and they also have free shipping on over $50
Make sure to sign up for the different places emails because they do have sales and they notify by email
Safe Castle is a member here on TB

 

[hd5574]

I have added them from time to time over several years .. Safe Castle has a sale right now on a bunch of them and they also have free shipping on over $50
Make sure to sign up for the different places emails because they do have sales and they notify by email
Safe Castle is a member here on TB

Safe castle also has a membership that you can purchase and get more discounts on there products..just search here on TB..for safecastle.....if you are a member they give discounts on sale prices
I always think about the cost of fast food and compare that to these cans FD....plus no freezer needed..

 

[SouthernBreeze]

Safe castle also has a membership that you can purchase and get more discounts on there products..just search here on TB..for safecastle.....if you are a member they give discounts on sale prices

Yes. We've ordered most of our Mountain House freeze dried meals in #10 cans from SafeCastle. Great product. We have an order pending, now.

 

[school marm]

Believe me, there is NO comparison in quality between freeze dried and dehydrated! The best thing is to buy a small package of freeze dried fruit, and another of the same fruit, but "dried"...

Flavor, color and texture are all affected from dehydration... freeze drying gives *nearly* fresh qualities.

Summerthyme

And along the same lines, there is no comparison in quality between home freeze-dried and commercial freeze-dried for a lot of things. We finally gave all of our Mountain House FD entrees to our sons because there was just too much salt for DH. There's no comparison between my freeze-dried strawberries and peaches and the commercial stuff.

I've never been impressed by FD apples, my own or commercial. Dehydrated taste better for some reason.

 

[Reasonable Rascal]

Thanks. I found a good link. Just typed in Military Surplus Canned Foods on Google. Lots of variety to choose from. A lot was out of stock, too. Lots of preppers buying it up, I guess.

Most of the mil-surp stuff is overruns from government contracts. We aren't talking military here, but Continuity of Government contracts. You know, the PTB and their hidden bunkers. That comes straight from the suppliers, not speculation or Leroy over in Coon Holler.

If you watch and wait you can even find lobster, filet mignon, sirloin steaks and more. Seriously. #10 cans of FD delicacies. I really wish my budget allowed for even a single case here and there.

RR

 

[Profit of Doom]

I read an article yesterday about Swiss Army knives. Seems they make a model now that has no knives in the design.

Ain't that some BS?

For pacifists?

 

[Tristan]

Most of the mil-surp stuff is overruns from government contracts. We aren't talking military here, but Continuity of Government contracts. You know, the PTB and their hidden bunkers. That comes straight from the suppliers, not speculation or Leroy over in Coon Holler.

If you watch and wait you can even find lobster, filet mignon, sirloin steaks and more. Seriously. #10 cans of FD delicacies. I really wish my budget allowed for even a single case here and there.

RR

It's only money, and it's not even theirs!

 

[hd5574]

Most of the mil-surp stuff is overruns from government contracts. We aren't talking military here, but Continuity of Government contracts. You know, the PTB and their hidden bunkers. That comes straight from the suppliers, not speculation or Leroy over in Coon Holler.

If you watch and wait you can even find lobster, filet mignon, sirloin steaks and more. Seriously. #10 cans of FD delicacies. I really wish my budget allowed for even a single case here and there.

RR

You are correct...we chose to fore go some things..in order to get a can here and there ...we watch for sales and free shipping deals...and try to add 3 or 4 cans per year

 

[WalknTrot]

Most of the mil-surp stuff is overruns from government contracts. We aren't talking military here, but Continuity of Government contracts. You know, the PTB and their hidden bunkers. That comes straight from the suppliers, not speculation or Leroy over in Coon Holler.

If you watch and wait you can even find lobster, filet mignon, sirloin steaks and more. Seriously. #10 cans of FD delicacies. I really wish my budget allowed for even a single case here and there.

RR

Yup. The #10's of FD meat especially. Preserved and stashed for the .gov upper crust holed up in the taxpayer funded bunkers. Over-runs or a few years past canning date (not use-by date).

Survive like a gov't bureaucrat!

 

[WalknTrot]

But those freeze driers are a lot of money!!!
The smallest Harvest Right is over $2000.

Little bit out of my price range.

That's why I bide my time, wait for good sales/clearances and buy the #10 cans of FD and commercially dehydrated.
At this point in my life, I'm not gonna buy a freeze dryer or a vacuum sealer.
To avoid too much salt and unwelcome seasonings, I concentrate on ingredients, not entrees/meals.

 

[West]

For pacifists?

Would it then be called the Socialist knife?

Or the Canuck, French, or Australian knife.

 

[Reasonable Rascal]

Would it then be called the Socialist knife?

Or the Canuck, French, or Australian knife.

French Army. It has a nail file, a tweezers, a corkscrew and a little white flag that unfurls.

RR

 

[Profit of Doom]

Would it then be called the Socialist knife?

Or the Canuck, French, or Australian knife.

English. Can’t be protecting yourself against the muzzies.

 

[coalcracker]

View attachment 473739

Loaded with protein, and in cans like the old days (with no peel off lids). What’s not to like?

$4.46 a can in my AO.

 

[Profit of Doom]

Loaded with protein, and in cans like the old days (with no peel off lids). What’s not to like?

$4.46 a can in my AO.

Finger food.

 

[marsofold]

We have a working hand-pumped well on the side porch for emergency water, about 250Lbs of wheat berries in 20 year sealed buckets, about 15 cubic feet of commercial canned beans and high-protein soups, two full meat freezers with solar power to run them, a planted 60 foot x 40 foot garden, a small apple tree, 7 large black walnut trees within shouting distance of the house that gets us all of the (27% protein) nutmeat that we could stand to eat, some crayfish in our creek, a small flock of hair sheep that makes us 250Lbs of lamb meat per year, some raspberry bushes, and deer, turkeys, squirrels, and black bears on our 30 acres of mountainous hardwood forest land here in extremely rural northern West Virginia.

 

[Greenspode]

We have a working hand-pumped well on the side porch for emergency water, about 250Lbs of wheat berries in 20 year sealed buckets, about 15 cubic feet of commercial canned beans and high-protein soups, two full meat freezers with solar power to run them, a planted 60 foot x 40 foot garden, a small apple tree, 7 large black walnut trees within shouting distance of the house that gets us all of the (27% protein) nutmeat that we could stand to eat, some crayfish in our creek, a small flock of hair sheep that makes us 250Lbs of lamb meat per year, some raspberry bushes, and deer, turkeys, squirrels, and black bears on our 30 acres of mountainous hardwood forest land here in extremely rural northern West Virginia.

Please tutor me on getting to the black walnut nutmeat efficiently! We have a lot of black walnut, but I have yet to find a good way to process without deciding I would rather starve! I did find and buy a black walnut nutcracker from Lehman's, but by that time I was done dealing with black walnuts and it hasn't been out of the box! What is your method?

Also, I read somewhere recently that black walnut tree sap makes a nice syrup. Have you ever tapped your black walnut tree's?

I feel like I have a potentially valuable commodity with these tree's, but aside from selling some to the Amish for their furniture making, I have yet to utilize their potential.